我用Google選總統!(一)

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迴響 from: bobbyjohn [訪問者]
朱大,如果你說的是真的,
會不會很快就有政黨的黨工動員,
每天沒日沒夜的按搜尋+貼政治宣傳文呀??
P.s這不禁讓我聯想到之前"點點點"的打字兵XD
2007-09-06 @ 20:28
迴響 from: 潛水夫 [訪問者]
有趣的思考角度.

佩服佩服.
2007-09-06 @ 22:48
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
下一篇或是下下篇文章就正是要談大家開始動員、搜尋之後,競選團隊不夠年輕化,科技能力不夠的就會落後.....

Lucifer

這不也是件好事嗎?嘿嘿....
2007-09-06 @ 23:07
迴響 from: 山豬 [訪問者]
我可以悲觀一下嗎??
依照臺灣人對於政治的熱情奔放、創意無限

除了打字工、Spammer bot可能還會直接駭掉網路伺服器
我覺得搞到最後Google會全面封鎖來自臺灣的IP喲
2007-09-06 @ 23:22
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
這就是我期待的科技決戰啊!

如果Google竟然會被政治狂熱者打垮,那也許他本來就不該存在啊哈哈哈...:>

Lucifer
2007-09-06 @ 23:31
迴響 from: 山豬 [訪問者]
有意思,也就是說,可能會演變成網路跟政治的對決
更狠的可能是網路的使用者自發性的集結對抗政治狂熱的操弄
而一股可能誰都沒有逆料到的「政治改革」會由一群原本沒有人想得到的族群發起?
2007-09-07 @ 00:05
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
科技永遠都是站在新世代這一邊的,政治已經被舊世代把持太久了,也該讓他們看看我們有什麼武器了吧...^_^

Lucifer
2007-09-07 @ 00:21
迴響 from: 山豬 [訪問者]
用網路進行民調可以理解
網路投票似乎也只差在身分辨識技術上的臨門一腳

但是我覺得如果網路族群可以政治上的變革
第一顆震撼彈應該是某位新世代的候選人利用網路成功的打贏一場選戰來引發

之前一直想不通網路這麼好用的工具竟然尚未被政客染指
現在的選舉活動好像在停留在上個世紀的戶外造勢晚會、全臺走透透這類原始的方式,想要上新聞版面還得要看有沒有足夠的話題性可以吸引眾家媒體的青睞。而政治人物的電子信箱、部落格反而變成一種由工讀生管理、用來宣示「老子也跟得上時代」的東西。

利用網路完全沒有新聞傳播中頻道獨佔性所造成的困擾,要如何吸引選民注意全看本事(例如在關鍵字裡加上蒼井空、高樹瑪莉亞…保證點擊率大幅上升)。
又說到政治溝通、如果政治人物願意上自己的討論區或部落格看一下的話,難道不能了解民眾的心聲嗎?例如在沒有網路的情況下,我這個失業的家裡蹲想要跟朱大交流難度相當高哇,但是現在電視開著邊想邊打字的情況下一樣能夠讓我的想法傳到您的眼前。

最後我想問一下朱大,請問您是非常認真的覺得網路能夠引起下一波的社會改革嗎?
2007-09-07 @ 00:55
迴響 from: MaRc [訪問者]
話說一打開連結,輸入的第一個字是...keroro...Orz

我認為keyword的排序機制和結果早已脫離正軌了,現在許多的人為方式都可以影響排行,那麼這種search結果,還是可信的嗎?!
再者,台灣大部分搜尋者使用的還是台灣YAHOO吧?從廣告行銷發現keyword在搜尋網頁的排行和商機後,我就不再那麼相信search的結果,尤其當YAHOO引進關鍵字行銷時,我就很懷疑search出來的結果,到底是廣告還是排行,google應該是沒有引進關鍵字行銷,不過人為操作的方式,還是會影響所謂的公正性不是嗎?
我對這方面不是很清楚,希望朱老或是版友解惑,謝謝。
2007-09-07 @ 01:32
迴響 from: msbk1986 [訪問者]
網友們是很敏感的

一旦有心人開始竄改搜尋的結果

很快就會被發覺

在下認為youtube應該會是更具威力的

競選工具...

因為其提供的片段不會在廣告時段出現

反覆轟炸

若是有意見的人

亦可將其修改 作成其他版本



2007-09-07 @ 08:04
迴響 from: MoreForce [訪問者] · http://www.force.game.tw
離題一下,昨天在東森看到你上謝金河的節目,在廣告途中你隨著音樂搖頭晃腦,那老謝好像有偷偷瞄你...XD
2007-09-07 @ 11:11
迴響 from: bwPingu [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/bwPingu
朱先生這招很妙!非常好的想法。

的確有高高層用您說的方法在思考,而且還真不少。

對付政客最好的武器就是選票。

支持!期待這個想法的持續發展。

p.s.想推到黑米,黑米好像掛了,所以改推推推王。
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2007-09-07 @ 12:05
迴響 from: shangtaiyu [訪問者]
我一直有個想法,成立一個目標選上一席立委的網站,所有想選的人上來報名,有興趣共襄盛舉的上來捐錢,所有資訊 平台都開放,最後被大家頂出來的那個人就報名去選,但要在網站上聲明,他代表所有的參與者,他在立法院的所有作為要公佈上網,他支持任何法案都需要經過公開平台上公開討論或表決,網站就是他的助理 選民與黨派,這樣一開始一席立委應該不難吧?如果成功,政治就會開始質變然後量變。
2007-09-07 @ 12:07
迴響 from: shangtaiyu [訪問者]
補充:可以稱為『維基經濟協同作業系統之政治造勢實驗』
2007-09-07 @ 12:17
迴響 from: 土小貝 [訪問者]
"而關鍵字「馬英九」吸引的注意力則都集中在台灣境內,北部地區的台北、新竹、桃園,相形之下搜尋度較高,但高雄、台南、台中則相對弱勢。第七名的香港亦為相當有趣的結果。(難怪之前老是有人愛罵他香港腳")

其實朱老大有點誤解了, 並不是大陸人只關心王金平不關心馬英九, 而是因爲 -- "馬"的簡體字和繁體字不同, 而"王金平"三個字都是簡繁體相通....所以, 試試用"马英九"來google trend看看, 你會發現馬和王的查詢數量完全不是同一個數量級的....
2007-09-07 @ 17:44
迴響 from: 土小貝 [訪問者]
再回報 google trend 適用心得:

在台灣, "陳水扁, 馬英九" google trend 結果, 馬>陳, 陳約為馬的 70%
在大陸, "陈水扁, 马英九" google trend 結果, 陳>馬, 马約為陈的 50%

看樣子兩人在兩岸間各自擅場....
2007-09-07 @ 17:57
迴響 from: falcon [訪問者]
小弟有個疑問,
Google trend 只是顯示某關鍵字搜尋的量,
但不是每個搜尋的人都是支持他.

例如我搜尋陳水扁,
有可能並不是支持他,
而是想去找他之前施政的錯誤,
然後去勸說周遭的朋友為何不要支持他.

有別的技巧或途徑可以補足只顯示量,
不顯示搜尋者偏好的問題嗎?



2007-09-07 @ 20:41
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
shangtaiyu說的事情本來可以作的,但是因為現在選區制度的關係,所以搞不起來啊!

Lucifer

你要怎麼集合一個區的網友來上網?

土小貝的說明果然有趣~~~大陸的搜尋可能是假想敵和在野黨之間的差異?

網路的變革已經在產生了,只是我們要不要推波助瀾而已,只是加速而已啊...

老謝的節目我以為攝影機關了才開始耍笨,沒想到...
2007-09-07 @ 20:44
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
樓樓上的問題不能完全解決,但可以有方法來處理。下篇或是下下篇會提到,這跟我以前在公關公司作媒體表現分析的技巧有關....

Lucifer

但也歡迎大家提出來集思廣益...^_*
2007-09-07 @ 20:56
迴響 from: Anonymous [訪問者]
很多年紀大的農民這輩子過完都有困難,要說給他們微薄的津貼是拿後代的未來來換恐怕言重喔.如"無米樂"裡面說到,年紀7,80歲的老農辛苦工作一年下來,換算成月薪卻是微薄的6,7000千元一個月,即使老農津貼破表到一個月一萬塊,加起來也還不到兩萬一個月,也還不夠保障他們的生活,周圍務農的親人的現況也真的是如此.他們是不是咎由自取?我想應該沒有人會這樣去看辛苦耕種一生的農民.

跟某些特定的職業相比,國家拿我們的稅金幫他們的存款利息加成,幫他們免費蓋樓改建房屋,動輒免費獲得幾百萬上千萬的國家福利,資源分配是太不公平了.真正該拿來做範例的是這些每年都要編數千億預算的錢坑,幾十年下來他們浪費掉"未來子孫"的資源,絕對不是剛開辦的老農津貼每年數十億可以望其項背的.
2007-09-08 @ 07:49
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
我是認為所有的津貼、補助一概不要。津貼並不是一個國家正常的救濟方式,老農很值得同情,但下次會不會跑出遊民津貼?

Lucifer

所以什麼公務員老師農民的津貼我都是一概反對滴~~~
2007-09-08 @ 08:20
迴響 from: 一平 [訪問者] · http://npb.club.tw
用 google trends 搜尋魔獸世界,竟然發現新竹最多人關心,可以說是宅的工程師很多嗎qq

魔獸世界在一開始的時候最多人關心,改版也只是讓他動一下,沒有再度上升,可見改版是失敗的。
2007-09-08 @ 09:05
迴響 from: 袁小怠 [訪問者]
那以後總統選舉,就是比看誰的駭客程式或login程式比較強嗎?
2007-09-08 @ 12:41
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
以後就是科技宅的天下.....orz...

Lucifer
2007-09-08 @ 17:09
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網路搜尋是好工具沒錯
不過個人擔心的是類似中國網評員、
或者troller這類actor的比例增加
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