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今天的文章,你要先看完下面這個Youtube上面的日本網友自製的日本自衛隊介紹影片再來繼續往下看。

以下資料皆來自維基百科:

日本海上自衛隊

假名 かいじょうじえいたい
羅馬字 Kaijyo Jieitai

海上自衛隊
人員數量 44,528(2005年)
船艦數量 152 (2005年)

日本海上自衛隊(Japan Maritime Self Defense Force:JMSDF)是日本自衛隊的海上部份,成立於1954年7月1日。由於日本不能擁有軍隊,而且採取專守防衛的立場,因此並不配備戰艦、航空母艦以及核子動力潛艇。其主要任務是防衛日本領海,但近年來開始參與聯合國維和行動,此一類似向海外派兵的行動引起極大的爭議。目前兵力約44000人左右,擁有各式艦艇152艘。

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由於吸收了太平洋戰爭的經驗,海上自衛隊非常重視反潛與掃雷聞名,訓練也集中在這兩項,這兩項是日本海上自衛隊的長處。弱點則是上述武器面對空中武力顯得脆弱,必須依賴航空自衛隊,而航空自衛隊的主要任務是防衛日本島嶼。

艦隊組成

級別 日本分類 西方分類 艘數
日向(Hyūga)級 護衛艦 直昇機航母 1(已下水)
大隅(OSUMI)級 輸送艦 直昇機航母 3
由良(YURA)級 輸送艦 兩棲登陸艦 12
白根(Shirane)級 護衛艦 直昇機巡洋艦 2
臻名(Haruna)級 護衛艦 直昇機巡洋艦 2
愛宕(Atago)級 護衛艦 神盾驅逐艦 2
金剛(Kongō)級 護衛艦 神盾驅逐艦 4
旗風(Hatakaze)級 護衛艦 飛彈驅逐艦 2
太刀風(Tachikaze)級 護衛艦 飛彈驅逐艦 2
高波(Takanami)級 護衛艦 反潛驅逐艦 5
村雨(Murasame)級 護衛艦 反潛驅逐艦 9
朝霧(Asagiri)級 護衛艦 驅逐艦 6
初雪(Hatsuyuki)級 護衛艦 驅逐艦 11
阿武隈(Abukuma)級 護衛艦 巡防艦 6
夕張(Yubari)級 護衛艦 巡防艦 2
石狩(ISHIKARI)級 護衛艦 巡防艦 1
親潮(Oyashio)級 柴電潛艦 柴電潛艦 11
春潮(Harushio)級 柴電潛艦 柴電潛艦 6
蒼龍(SOURYU)級 柴電潛艦 柴電潛艦 3
隼(Hayabusa)級 飛彈艇 飛彈快艇 6
浦賀(URAGA)級 掃海母艦 佈雷艦 2
八重山(YAEYAMA)級 掃海艦 掃雷艦 3
菅島(SUGASHIMA)級 掃海艇 掃雷艇 12


日向(Hyūga)級直昇機護衛艦(ひゅうが型護衛艦)是日本新型直昇機航母(日本因政治原因稱直昇機護衛艦(DDH))。預計取代現役7,000噸級榛名級(Haruna)護衛艦(直昇機巡洋艦)。這是日本二戰時帝國海軍解散後所造最大軍艦,全由海上自衛隊JMSDF設計,石川島播磨重工業株式會社建造。


金剛級驅逐艦(こんごう型護衛艦、-がたごえいかん)是日本海上自衛隊擁有的配備神盾戰鬥系統的驅逐艦。在1988年為了提高防空能力,因此決定導入本艦型。一號艦金剛於1993年竣工。在2007年愛宕型護衛艦(あたご型)服役之前為海上自衛隊排水量最大的作戰艦艇。金剛型一共建造了4隻。為海上自衛隊最初配備的神盾艦,在護衛艦隊中,每1個護衛隊群配備1隻,是艦隊主要的防空設備。

咳咳咳咳

行政院海岸巡防署,簡稱海巡署,是中華民國的海岸及海洋執法及巡防救難專責單位,隸屬於行政院。平時負責巡防各港口、沿岸地區、離島、領海、鄰接區及專屬經濟區,戰時亦可成為戰鬥部隊。

面對威風凜凜的日本海上自衛隊,下面是我們海巡署的事跡:

下面這艘是隸屬於中華民國行政院海岸巡防署的和星艦。

下面一艘是
日本海上自衛隊的太刀風型護衛艦

艦級概觀
艦種 導彈護衛艦(導彈驅逐艦)
艦名 氣候命名法
前型 天津風型(あまつかぜ型)
次型 旗風型(はたかぜ型)
同型 見"同型艦"
竣工 1974/12/17
結局 現役
標準排水量 7,250噸
滿載排水量 9,485噸
全長 143米 全寬 14.3米 吃水 4.65米
鍋爐 三菱船用兩段式蒸氣渦輪機2座
高/中壓、低壓
(40kg/cm2 450℃ 120t/h)
主機:2座三菱長崎CE雙體高壓水鍋爐
動力 蒸氣渦輪2軸(馬力60,000匹) 極速 32節
乘員 250人
武裝 魚叉飛彈
「標準」系列防空導彈
ASROC反潛火箭 裝甲
2門42型5吋54倍徑艦炮
2門20毫米方陣快砲
2座68型三聯裝魚雷發射管

咳咳咳咳

外交部要和星艦撤退?蔡明耀:錯誤決定 自請處分
央廣 更新日期:2008/06/12 17:29 呂欣憓

台灣籍海釣船「聯合號」日前在釣魚台被日本巡邏艦撞沉,媒體報導,外交部致電海巡署,讓馳援聯合號的「和星艦」撤退到12海浬外,被立委批評喪權辱國。對此,外交部日本事務會執行長蔡明耀12日下午承認,因為不想和日本起衝突,所以當初是他下令要和星艦留在12海浬之外,對此,他願意負起責任,自請處分。

「聯合號」在釣魚台外海6海浬處,被日本巡邏艦撞沉,前往馳援和蒐證的「和星艦」,在離釣魚台7.8海浬處時,卻在外交部致電海巡署後,撤退到12海浬外。

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而儘管外交部次長夏立言早上表示,外交部並沒有要求和星艦撤退,只是要求他們就地待命。到了下午,外交部坦承的確有的確有讓和星艦撤退的情形。外交部日本事務會執行長蔡明耀則自己承認,當初因為不想和日本起衝突,所以要求和星艦留在12海浬外,只是他自己也不知道和星艦已經進到7.8海浬的地方,對於自己錯誤的決定,他願意負起責任,蔡明耀說:『當然這個事情我做了就是我要負責,但是我只是想說希望趕快把事情能夠解決,把人找回來,(記者:你會覺得你做錯了嗎?)我會覺得我做錯了,該怎樣做我們會自己來做一個判斷,(記者:判斷是什麼意思?)我自己的責任,(記者:自請處分呢?)可以的,我應該要做的我就會做。』

根據英國《珍氏防務週刊》2006年對世界各國綜合軍事實力所作排名顯示:日本以世界第二經濟強國、490億美元軍費和強大的海空軍事力量位列第五,僅次於美、俄、英、法。

面對世界上第五強的軍事力量,海巡署只有一艘破爛的和星艦。(←而且更別提之前還被飆車族打敗過)

想也知道根本比不上,打不贏。

但是,政府是為了什麼而存在的?

是為了人民。

這才不是什麼鬼領土爭議的問題。

這是中華民國的十六名國民在中華民國公開宣示為領土的區域落海時,應該由誰來救援的問題。

今天就算海巡署官兵手上只有拿著兩根樹枝,划著一個舢舨,套著半個游泳圈,面對全世界排名第五名的海軍,就算明知道打不贏,比不上,也得硬著頭皮上,因為這是他們的責任。

他們該把這十六位國民給救回來。

我絲毫不懷疑這些海巡署官兵的意志。

他們都已經開著那艘和星艦逼近到7.8海哩的的距離了。

蔡明耀表示,「日本交流協會台北事務所一個官員,打電話給我,他說我們的船,我們的巡邏艇要進入12海浬,希望我們的船不要進入,不要讓事情更為複雜,我只是告訴他(海巡署),請他們們暫時不要進入12海浬的地區,就在12海浬附近待命。」

看到上面這段話我他媽的就覺得很生氣!

該死的是這個中華民國外交部的日本事務會執行長蔡明耀!

這個事務官竟然在接到日本官員電話之後,硬生生的下令讓準備救援聯合號的和星艦退回12海浬,不准他們去救援這十六名國民!

人民平常花錢養你們,不就是為了這生死交關的一瞬間嗎?

對一個事務官來說,這世界上再也沒有比你的國民權益更神聖的事物了!

我們養你這種狗官是來吃屎的嗎?

外交部的官員領的是中華民國的薪水,捍衛的是中華民國的權益,你今天可以下令海巡署袖手旁觀,出賣十六名國民的救援機會,明天誰知道你他媽的會出賣誰?

喪權辱國,莫此為甚!

Lucifer

老子很常去日本,所認識的日本人也蠻友善的,但國有國格,外交部作不好自己捍衛國家權益的職責就是混蛋!

雞排哩,去吃屎吧!

盜用網友給的故事:

唐代,供奉官丁廷徽,巧事權貴,監倉犯贓,侍衛使張從賓方便救之。
明宗曰:「食我厚祿,盜我倉儲,蘇秦復生,說我不得!」並戮之。
以是在五代中號為小康之世。

補充:根據網友補充資料....媽的B,被外交部官員逼的退讓給噸位只有一半的船艦,讓我更生氣~~~

http://www.aviation.idv.tw/cht/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1936&forum=6

撞沉漁船的傢伙,
PL123 Koshiki, 警備實施強化巡視船, 隸屬日本海上保安廳 (第十管區海上保安本部).

和星 vs koshiki
1800噸 vs 966噸
海巡署 vs 海上保安廳

對手不是海上自衛隊,光是和星艦噸位就比對方大了.....
1980下水, 966 ton, 77.8m.

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迴響 from: hudalala [訪問者]
終於給我衝到前幾名啦!
2008-06-12 @ 21:49
迴響 from: 黑黯乖離 [訪問者] · http://forum2.hkgolden.com
科~~科~科~
2008-06-12 @ 21:50
迴響 from: 路邊的野貓 [訪問者]
說的好,國有國格!!
2008-06-12 @ 21:50
迴響 from: 路邊的野貓 [訪問者]
看完文章還有第七名@口@?
偷偷科科笑
2008-06-12 @ 21:51
迴響 from: 矩陣 [訪問者]
狗官 狗官
2008-06-12 @ 21:53
迴響 from: 十二少 [訪問者]
前十~~
2008-06-12 @ 21:54
迴響 from: hudalala [訪問者]
看完了!外交部的官員真該去吃屎!
維護自己的領土不是一個政府最基本的責任嗎!
2008-06-12 @ 21:54
迴響 from: sinnmai [訪問者]
前10!!
這讓身在日本工作的我也感到很氣憤!!
2008-06-12 @ 21:55
迴響 from: 路邊的野貓 [訪問者]
從前有致遠號管代鄧世昌率鑑衝撞日鑑
現在居然沒有和星艦英勇救人?
真不知道蔡老頭在想啥= ="
2008-06-12 @ 21:55
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
幹你媽的不懂得看主人心情灌水!

你他媽的老子罵人的時候給我在那邊哈,哈個屁!(←科科,該文連痕跡都被我砍了)

。。。。 。。'(幹,因為設成黑名單,連我也不能打)所有相關留言全部砍除,列入本站黑名單中。

Lucifer

對,不要以為給我不談阿宅話題也可以混在這裡裝阿宅,這裡是阿宅主場,只對阿宅好!
2008-06-12 @ 21:57
迴響 from: HNZ [訪問者]
真的搞不懂前面的留言為什麼會呵呵笑~@@"

狗官下台!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-06-12 @ 22:01
迴響 from: 小蔡 [訪問者]
我每20分鐘重新整理這一頁,
還搶不到前10?

氣.....................
2008-06-12 @ 22:02
迴響 from: 帥氣阿宅 [訪問者]
我居然留言了...
看到這個文章再安靜下去就對不起國家對不起人民了
推一個國有國格
2008-06-12 @ 22:04
迴響 from: 弼 [訪問者]
烤~真的是喪權辱國! 應該叫日本的船不要靠近12海浬,叫他們不要把事情複雜化~怎麼,反客為主是吧? 官員們清醒點好不好...
2008-06-12 @ 22:06
迴響 from: Micoto [訪問者]
真是丟台灣人的臉...

另外,當年嗆阿扁的那位馬市長,怎麼這次連個屁都不敢吭一聲了呢?

新政府上任不到一個月,不知道有多少人已經開始失望了....
2008-06-12 @ 22:09
迴響 from: 在岸上的海巡待過一陣子的路人 [訪問者]
要他們退下...避免衝突是講好聽的
海上的海巡(志願役)跟岸上的海巡(不願役)比較起來是比較慓悍...
看過林書宇導演的"海巡尖兵"就知道岸上的海巡在幹嗎..
海上的海巡大多是由保七總隊所組成
平平都是海巡...不過岸上跟海上沒什麼相關及互動...
我認真了....

2008-06-12 @ 22:10
迴響 from: 水餃 [訪問者]
釣釣魚
騎著野狼吹海風
抓抓偷渡客
2008-06-12 @ 22:13
迴響 from: AIRPRO [訪問者]
哀 偏偏政客只會操做族群跟統獨問題...

2008-06-12 @ 22:18
迴響 from: 丫亮仔 [訪問者]
嘆。

2008-06-12 @ 22:19
迴響 from: Wanju [訪問者]
原來朱大還有留言的黑名單
看了才知道 原來永安漁港海巡居然被飆車族包圍
當軍官這麼有志氣,衝到這麼近真的很不簡單!!
2008-06-12 @ 22:20
迴響 from: oskar---抽中書了 感謝各位 [訪問者]
搶到前三十!!!
被我堵到了!!!
2008-06-12 @ 22:23
迴響 from: 菠蘿 [訪問者]

對照中共外交部秦剛的即時嚴厲譴責

與蔡明耀的應日本要求退居12哩之外

真不知道落水的是海兩岸哪一邊的人

從政府處理的軟弱行徑來看

不知政府認為釣魚台是誰的領土
2008-06-12 @ 22:24
迴響 from: Spiky [訪問者]
朱大,日本海上自衛隊本來就是很一流的海軍了,這點大家絕對不會意外...

不過這邊拿來跟自國海岸巡防署類比的應該是他們海上保安廳的兵力吧... 畢竟大家不會一開始就把海軍擺到第一線上來,這樣太容易爆發擦槍走火的軍事衝突了...

但是守土有責,無論海巡還是海軍都不該輕易放棄,這是國家尊嚴的問題。By the way, 這邊有沒有空軍方面專業的大大呀,為什麼當時不來個2架F-16編隊過來關切?空軍的反應時間絕對比海軍更快... 還是這也是為了避免升高衝突?

海岸巡防署真的該像美國一樣,擁有相當比例的固定翼跟直昇機隊,在這種狀況之下,船艦上空有飛機盤旋做及時處理,絕對不會發生人被小日本帶走的事情...

2008-06-12 @ 22:32
迴響 from: 秋名山之恥 [訪問者]
再次甩尾進前三十!!帥ㄚ老皮!!

喪權辱國就是該死!!
2008-06-12 @ 22:35
迴響 from: Spiky [訪問者]
敝人的高校同學數年前曾在宜蘭海岸附近某海巡哨所服役,過著看海的日子。

話說該名阿宅當年農曆春節命太好,以致無法回家過年,因此恭逢其聖,遇上一群飆車族小毛頭以蜂炮、沖天炮『砲擊』哨所的神奇事蹟...

以上僅供各位參考。
2008-06-12 @ 22:37
雖然說有失國格,但是真正的問題是,這件事到底誰對誰錯?

以我們的觀點來看,他們撞壞我們漁民的船,扣留我國國民,並不許我國的船艦前往救援,日本真是他媽的雜碎!
以日本的觀點來看,我中華民國的漁民侵入日本國的領域,又派船艦要進入日本國的領土來強行將人帶走,中華民國還真是欺人太甚!

如果我們再把這兩個觀點的角色互換的話,那試問這又是誰對誰錯呢?

在釣魚台歸屬問題尚未解決之際,說誰對誰錯都是言之過早,因為我們兩國的政府都必須堅守自己的立場而不能退讓,那麼最後我們真的要和日本打仗嗎?或許蔡明耀先生放棄的太早了一些,但是能坐下來好好談而避免有人傷亡這才是最重要的事。

這並不是害不害怕,而是值不值得的問題。

而且我敢保證,最後釣魚台的歸屬絕對不會落在台灣或是日本的手上,難道大家都把中國當死人嗎?

這並不是滅自己威風,而是我們到底有多少斤兩的問題。

2008-06-12 @ 22:39
迴響 from: 袁小怠 [訪問者]
爆一下,
從今晚李慶華公佈的影帶,
日本方面並非派出海上自慰...啊,打錯,是自衛隊,
而是海上保安廳的船隻,
所以朱豪宅應該比較一下海巡隊vs.海上保安廳才是
2008-06-12 @ 22:40
迴響 from: Manfred [訪問者]
朱大

你拿海上自衛隊軍事武力和海巡暑這種緝私艦相比 失當
至少應該是跟中華民國海軍相比

2008-06-12 @ 22:41
迴響 from: 歐巴 [訪問者] · http://cindy541.blogspot.com/
唉...喪權辱國
2008-06-12 @ 22:44
迴響 from: 小蔡 [訪問者]
原來朱大這一篇文章內容為此,
不過這傢伙實在沒有國格,
被人嚇一嚇就縮頭了。

姓蔡的有出這樣的敗類,
我也覺得很丟臉。
2008-06-12 @ 22:47
迴響 from: 流浪小米 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/max9797
今天這個新聞出來
我在心裡是從頭罵到尾

這不只是外交問題....也算是基本的人性問題
你軟弱,別人根本是把你看扁,和當年日本占領台灣一樣
台灣人做順民,小日本根本就把你當狗看,還皇個狗屁民勒
相對於我最討厭的韓國人,反而一直抵抗日本的侵略~

我們如果現在的態度弱
小日本就以為我們好欺負
還一直以為台灣是他們的殖民地
(事實上還真有一些人以日本殖民地居民為榮)

之前正紅姨在它的笑話新聞一直講日本占領台灣的好
看了就想吐
最好是邊唱"同期之櫻"邊去舔你們最愛的日本狗的屁眼啦~幹

幹....馬英九如果對這件事軟掉,我這次真的要去總統府倒馬了
因為我選了你我也有權力讓你下台~這就是民主
最好是給我硬起來.....不然等下台吧!

幹~死日本狗!
2008-06-12 @ 22:47
迴響 from: ipscwang [訪問者]
死漁船'
死海釣客'
明明平常就叫你們別去,不是嗎?
看吧!搞出事情來,還得讓海巡士兵去送死
....XX咧
(以上為模擬之海巡心聲...呵呵)
2008-06-12 @ 22:49
迴響 from: 貓神官 [訪問者]
那個外交事務官真是丟盡國家的臉!!
老馬今天是有發表聲明啦
我還沒看過全文,不方便作評論
可是希望除了聲明以外還會有別的行動
2008-06-12 @ 22:49
迴響 from: 孝女白琴 [訪問者]
聯共抗日的時候來了~~~~

台灣每個官換了位子就會換了腦袋

每個黨每個人都一樣

一樣不變的是~~黑錢

每8年換人黑
2008-06-12 @ 22:51
迴響 from: 流浪小米 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/max9797
比軍力和比銀子我們絕對絕對不是小日本的對手....
但在態度上我們要強硬並堅定一些

就我剛才講的...
小日本就是看我們軟
而且我們從以前就不只軟這麼一次
我就不相信小日本敢去撞韓國的船
因為小日本知道惹韓國這個瘋狗一定會打起來
但小日本知道(自以為?)我們台灣又會再次軟下去

媽的~今天我怎麼這麼生氣???
2008-06-12 @ 22:55
迴響 from: childman [訪問者]
台灣每個官換了位子就會換了腦袋+1
說真的,感覺台灣真的不太需要政府...
沒有政府相信大家還是可以過日子...
政府每次跟民意慢半拍,還不如人民自立自強...
真希望來立個法,每個公共政策造成人民損失時,當初訂定與執行政策者皆要來自負賠款甚至罰牢刑,這樣才能有效嚇阻官員制訂政策的品質,不要每次都是全民買單,人民又不是政府的提款機...
2008-06-12 @ 23:00
迴響 from: SsSs [訪問者]
我想重點是他把我們的船撞沉了
把我們的人帶走了
我管它釣魚台是誰的
政府保護人民是他的義務
真的是有夠軟的政府
2008-06-12 @ 23:03
迴響 from: 山豬 [訪問者]
君王城上豎降旗
妾在深宮哪得知
十四萬人齊解甲
寧無一個是男兒

***************************************

對於蹲辦公室的官員們來說,官場上的升降簡任才是他們唯一關心的東西吧

納稅人?就是預算不夠可以抓來當提款機的東西嘛;國格?那是啥?能吃嗎?
2008-06-12 @ 23:06
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
弱國無外交,心中只想著好好坐下來談的官員就永遠沒人願意和你好好坐下來談。

今天一個外交官心中敢想著:「為了十六個國民和日本起衝突值得嗎?」那就是徹頭徹尾的錯誤。

很抱歉,就是值得。

Lucifer

如果我們認為這樣可以退讓,那當初有什麼資格幹攪老共不讓國際救難隊進四川?

2008-06-12 @ 23:06
迴響 from: TMD [訪問者]
馬英九罵中共很大聲, 卻不敢罵日本人
2008-06-12 @ 23:09
迴響 from: Jake [訪問者]
應該重新把釣魚台劃為我國演習區域 日本船擅入被炸 活該~~~
2008-06-12 @ 23:13
迴響 from: 冰糖 [訪問者]
淦~~~拎背管日本怎麼想,

還去討論對錯勒!!

拎背的同胞落海就是每一個都要救起來拉,

管他是落在釣魚台還是北極~~~

想討論對錯的等你自己落海再慢慢想拉,

對,拎背就是這麼機八+蠻橫出名的~~
2008-06-12 @ 23:14
迴響 from: 便當 [訪問者]
什麼東西可以讓朱大這麼生氣
(看回覆十)
居然連國罵都出來了
ㄟㄟㄟ
你是文藝宅男ㄟ.....何必..........
身好一點沒有....
你看
這邊有啊宅多關心妳
真的是全國電子.....就幹心ㄟ
2008-06-12 @ 23:15
迴響 from: 啃完自家番茄的農友 [訪問者]
這個時候就該穿這件衣服出來啦....

2008-06-12 @ 23:16
迴響 from: zuyan [訪問者] · http://maru.gates.tw/
日本除了拿釣魚台...還用了經濟海域200海浬...
拷...連淡水河出海口都在日本的經濟海域了..
中華民國還在12海浬的領海...看了就生氣
每次只要講到這個就氣///
阿陸仔每次跟日本起衝突..就用了拒買日貨要脅
反看台灣反正不干我的事,繼續哈日去..
再說到海巡署...每次出事的就是他們單位...
這是什麼單位...爽缺都在海巡署,難怪..
不要這個單位也罷...台灣人民站出來自己組成一個海上保安廳好了
2008-06-12 @ 23:18
迴響 from: 鄉民 [訪問者]
唉唉唉 叫官兵去 不如叫攻佔安檢所的飆仔去還比較有戰鬥力

另外也該停止搶沙發這種無聊的風俗了吧
2008-06-12 @ 23:18
迴響 from: 便當 [訪問者]
不管藍或綠執政
都是碩鼠
食我俸祿,盜我倉儲,雖蘇秦復生,說我不得

碩鼠碩鼠,無食我黍!三歲貫女,莫我肯顧。
逝將去女,適彼樂土。樂土樂土,爰得我所?

碩鼠碩鼠,無食我麥!三歲貫女,莫我肯德。
逝將去女,適彼樂國。樂國樂國,爰得我直?

碩鼠碩鼠,無食我苗!三歲貫女,莫我肯勞。
逝將去女,適彼樂郊。樂郊樂郊,誰之永號?
2008-06-12 @ 23:20
迴響 from: virgovanilla [訪問者] · http://blog.pixnet.net/virgovanilla
大中肯!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2008-06-12 @ 23:23
迴響 from: 迪奧斯 [訪問者]
全部外包算了。
2008-06-12 @ 23:28
迴響 from: 大白熊 [訪問者]
蔡明耀、、、如果我沒記錯人的話,喪權辱國、對日本卑躬屈膝並不是第一次。
基本上,他能當上日本事務會執行長,就是一個很有顏色的政治任命。
(他算基本教義派份子吧?不然起碼算是跟某位金婆婆差不多的類型~)
叫台灣撤退?對他們這種有大日本皇軍色彩的人而言,剛好而已吧?
2008-06-12 @ 23:29
迴響 from: 幹 [訪問者]
為什麼這篇文章還會有人ㄎㄎ校= =
2008-06-12 @ 23:35
迴響 from: 山豬 [訪問者]
總覺得…蔡明耀背後可能還有人

說不定蔡府上下現在正為了多出來的那塊「盡忠護主」匾額要放哪而傷腦筋呢
2008-06-12 @ 23:37
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]

唐代,供奉官丁廷徽,巧事權貴,監倉犯贓,侍衛使張從賓方便救之。

明宗曰:「食我厚祿,盜我倉儲,蘇秦復生,說我不得!」並戮之。

以是在五代中號為小康之世。

科科,加了一段。

Lucifer
2008-06-12 @ 23:42
迴響 from: Circle [訪問者] · http://tinyurl.com/2cpuyj
這件事的結尾我先告訴大家:

1. 台灣一票立委會坐軍艦去那個島繞一繞

(當然先橋好日方假裝自衛隊+保安廳都去北海道了...)

2. 日方基於'人道立場'放人

(錢以後再算...)

3. 大家假裝一切都沒發生過...幾年後再說

...

就這樣, 完.

...

喵的勒, 你們還在期待啥? 台灣一不可能跟日本打, 二從沒在乎過我們的漁民/漁船在幹啥, 最重要的是:

釣魚台是我們鄰居兩大國的事, 套句共匪的話說: 誰理你們 ?


...我說的都是真的, 學恆大(你比我小!)要罵我也認了...
2008-06-12 @ 23:44
迴響 from: Blue [訪問者]
可殺之以謝國人
2008-06-12 @ 23:45
迴響 from: Peter [訪問者]
印象中日本自衛隊都是對付哥吉拉,或是魔斯拉的
2008-06-12 @ 23:49
迴響 from: boss365683 [訪問者]
喪權辱國 莫此為甚!
真的是醬
2008-06-12 @ 23:49
迴響 from: 嗯嗯 [訪問者]
岸巡跟海巡不一樣
海上自衛隊跟海上保安廳也不一樣
混為一談對於真正要討論是不是喪權辱國是模糊焦點的..
2008-06-12 @ 23:52
迴響 from: 流浪小米 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/max9797
我覺得我們不會和小日本打起來的
就算解放軍+武警+中華民國國軍+台灣飆車族
可能也不是小日本的對手吧

但我覺得至少要讓小日本知道我們有不惜一戰的決心
不然以後說不定淡水河都包括在他們的經濟海域也說不定
雖然我戰力低文筆差(?)打小日本我應該不會手軟才是~科科


講白了就是小日本看我們衰小
唉~可悲啊!

最可悲的是台灣的新聞竟然沒報很大~
當成一則地方新聞來報.......
2008-06-12 @ 23:57
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
所以海上保安廳來就不是喪權辱國嚕?大家應該他媽的送他們幾張A片以示歡迎?

甲賽啦~~~

Lucifer
2008-06-12 @ 23:59
迴響 from: 孝女白琴 [訪問者]
總統剛上任就來撞魚船

根本是小日本故意來試探我們新總統的底線跟能耐

老套~~~跟以前要打別國一樣故意使小動作

小兵不見之類的!!!!
2008-06-13 @ 00:03
迴響 from: 我自閉 [訪問者]
==========================================
迴響來自: 朱恐龍 [成員]
所以海上保安廳來就不是喪權辱國嚕?大家應該他媽的送他們幾張A片以示歡迎?
==========================================

不!! 罵還是要罵,但是A片還是要留下來欣賞。

任何事情都不能動搖我對A片的執著阿!!

對了,不知道有沒有女自衛隊自慰的A片阿
2008-06-13 @ 00:04
迴響 from: Walt [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/waltyu
如果FlyingName兄提供的資訊正確無誤的話...
http://www.aviation.idv.tw/cht/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1936&forum=6

和星 vs koshiki
1800噸 vs 966噸
海巡署 vs 海上保安廳

對手不是海上自衛隊,光是和星艦噸位就比對方大了.....

個人覺得負責任的官員就應該直接主動請辭下台,而且應該要向全體國民道歉,至於立委諸公就不用事後在搭軍艦去「附近」繞一圈做做樣子了.....
2008-06-13 @ 00:05
迴響 from: 山豬 [訪問者]
撇開海上自衛隊跟海上保安廳
也暫且不談什麼喪權辱國的問題

我最低限度的期望是希望打開電視新聞的時候
看到的是「中華民國」的公務人員正努力的設法於第一時間救回「中華民國」的國民
如果連這點也辦不到,那麼我真的打心底覺得,老百姓辛苦工作納稅繳的錢真的像是被詐騙集團給騙去了
2008-06-13 @ 00:09
弱國無外交,心中只想著好好坐下來談的官員就永遠沒人願意和你好好坐下來談。

今天一個外交官心中敢想著:「為了十六個國民和日本起衝突值得嗎?」那就是徹頭徹尾的錯誤。

很抱歉,就是值得。

............................................................................
朱大,你所說的並沒有錯,但是問題是,我們的海釣船和那十六名海釣客是否明知道那是釣魚台海域而卻又去靠近呢?
在目前釣魚台屬地未明的情況之下,所能依靠的便是各國的自制,當然也包含人民的自制。目前我們所得到的消息是誤入釣魚台海域,但是真實的情況是否如此尚未可知。當然,日本撞沈我國漁船是毫無異議的不對,但假如真是我國漁船貪圖便利而試圖進入的話,那就會變成是我國漁民試圖挑戰日本海巡的底線,那麼我們是否是理虧在先呢?就像在颱風天仍去爬山而遇難的人一樣,政府依然要用盡方法將他們救回來,可是如果能事先避免的話,那麼我們所付出的代價自然就會變少,甚至可以不用負任何代價。

在情感上我當然是希望釣魚台是我們的,讓我們的漁民可以在那個漁產豐富的海域捕魚,我們政府也可以在那裡開採釣魚台海域下方豐富的油田。但凡事要依理而行,就算別人不講理那是他家的事,所以我認為為了十六個依理而為的國民和日本起衝突那絕對值得,但若是為了十六個心存僥倖的人呢?
2008-06-13 @ 00:11
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
爭議海域有什麼理虧在先啦!

你以為海上保安廳koshiki號是在釣魚台十二海浬之外水域待命,避免爭議,一看到有船侵入才趕快跑去撞沈的嗎?

他們早就持續在所謂的爭議海域中巡邏好幾年了!我國漁民一靠近就被驅離也不知道是第幾百次了!你要不要去查清楚過去的新聞再來給我假設?

那要不要假設那十六個國民是心甘情願被日本船撞沈的?

Lucifer

自制是什麼?是對方可以巡邏,我國人民不能進入嗎?

這東西叫做租界吧?已經消失好幾十年了耶。
2008-06-13 @ 00:14
迴響 from: 流浪鄉民-小米 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/max9797
理不理虧什麼鬼的.....我覺得與理無關~

如果是米國或寒國開著船在釣魚台繞啊繞的~
我他媽的就不相信小日本敢開船去撞....

我(小日本)欺負你(中華民國)還要挑時間選理由嗎?

咳~沒有替米國及寒國護航的意思.........純推理
2008-06-13 @ 00:20
迴響 from: Circle [訪問者] · http://tinyurl.com/2cpuyj
紅葉說得好...但...

你錯了.

因為本島現今的領導人從800年前就口口聲聲地說那個島是我們的 (
2008-06-13 @ 00:23
迴響 from: 流浪鄉民-小米 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/max9797
本島的領導人800年前好像還沒出生吧.......

不過他30幾年前說過...這我就有印象了!
2008-06-13 @ 00:26
迴響 from: 鄉民roger [訪問者]
如同紅葉所說,在真相還沒出來之前,我們沒辦法說誰對誰錯
不過,就這篇新聞來看
我看見了蔡執行長他沒有主見,日本說什麼他就照做什麼
不僅如此,我還看見了身為一個小國的無奈
唉,台灣沒本錢跟日本爭呀....(攤手
2008-06-13 @ 00:27
迴響 from: martian [訪問者]
為甚麼都沒有人稱讚一下農友的T ?

我想,
在第一時間"救人"還是最重要的~
哎~
怎麼會這樣呢?
2008-06-13 @ 00:28
迴響 from: k [訪問者]
日本人對人不會見死不救的,釣魚台是日本領土,不進入別國領海是正確的,別忘記中國和台灣本的軍事實力都比不上日本,
2008-06-13 @ 00:28
迴響 from: 機殼 [訪問者]
態度不夠堅決吧
主權歸屬還是其次
重點是人民處於不是很好的情況
還是想著息事寧人
我該說我們商人氣息太重嗎......
2008-06-13 @ 00:30
迴響 from: 流浪鄉民-小米 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/max9797
嗯~農友的T如果商品化我也要來一件.....

哪天示威抗議時可以穿~
2008-06-13 @ 00:31
迴響 from: 簡尼夫德萊尼 [訪問者] · http://www.gamebase.com.tw/mybase/kenneth1991/
那段怎麼像廣告片段  =_=
而且為什麼出現在片段裏的自衛隊員好像呆子一樣 =_=

終於把150集賈修看完了
真爽 =_=
2008-06-13 @ 00:43
朱大,如同你所言,日本在釣魚台海域的確巡邏了很長的一段時間,而我國的漁民也被驅逐了很多次。但現在問題來了,那為什麼這次日本的巡邏艇會撞沈我們的船呢?凡事事出必有因,我們當然不能排除是那艘巡邏艇的船長惡意要撞沈我們的漁船,但是我想除此之外還有許多的可能性在,但這就必須靠實際的調查來認定了。

to 流浪鄉民-小米
你所說的我無話可說,因為這就是國際政治現實。

to Circle
在下和本島現今的領導人在情感上都認為那個島應該是我們的,但是在現實上就..............

2008-06-13 @ 00:47
迴響 from: hoja [訪問者]
重點有二

一、在於十二海哩,這是認定日方擁有其島嶼主權的象徵,所以必須退出釣魚台外十二海哩外的公海...

二、這傢伙居然只是一個事務處執行長,就可以直接以外交部名義指揮海巡署,並無知會上級單位為明顯疏失

也難怪這位蔡老賊會這樣,他可是前朝的駐日代表一向以親日聞名的...
2008-06-13 @ 00:51
迴響 from: 七三么 -毒氣屎 [訪問者]
哈爾濱出租車大哥:
雖然 以前那些沒有人性的事,都不是現在日本的人做的!!
但是 我看到他們... 還是"恨" !!!
能繞路 我肯定是盡量繞! 要繞多遠就有多遠~~~
誰叫他們血液裡頭有這種"劣根性" !!
2008-06-13 @ 00:52
迴響 from: Z.M. [訪問者] · http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/zong-ming/
國格也被這一撞 撞沉了
浮上來的是 台灣在世界政治地位的無力感

可惡 下次悟空 要集元氣玉的時候
我不會再把手伸起來了!!
2008-06-13 @ 00:53
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
現在問題來了。

現在問題來了,現在問題來了,現在問題來了.....

蘆溝橋事變發生,之前日本就殺了很多人,為什麼這次要特別在橋上開砲呢?凡事事出必有因......

珍珠港事變發生,之前日本對美國不友善,為什麼這次要炸沈我們這麼多船呢?凡事事出必有因......

釣魚台聯合號被撞沈,之前日艦撞過很多次台灣和香港的漁船,為什麼就這次把聯合號撞沈了呢?凡事事出必有因......



凡事事出必有因,當然我也不排除這是因為這次有哥吉拉在海底下推了一下,當然真正的原因就有待實際的調查來認定了。

認定你的頭啦。蒐證都被趕出去了,你要叫科男來調查嗎?

Lucifer



不作功課只會瞎掰,不去看看過去日本船艦近迫威脅和撞過多少次,你以為用凡事事出必有因就可以混過去喔?
2008-06-13 @ 00:57
迴響 from: oskar---抽中書了 感謝各位 [訪問者]
我倒不覺得是甚麼無奈不無奈的
這件事情對錯蠻明顯的
我們的漁船並沒有裝載武器,日本自衛隊最多只能驅離
他現在把漁船撞沉就是集團行使武力,這是違反日本憲法的軍事行為
不但在外交上可以譴責日本,譴責自衛隊
你還可以去日本法庭告他
還可以去聯合國告他

我的看法是外交系統的人鳥掉了,所以這件事情處理得很差.
看看後續馬政府的處理,也可以了解她們的能力了.
這種事情就跟前朝扯不上邊,不能推諉責任,只能靠自己了
再作不好,被自己的國民肚爛,也就無話可說了.
(我是覺得 那些官員拿綠卡的 沒有一個敢大聲說
我有綠卡 我不放棄 那是我的權利! 實在太沒種了!)
2008-06-13 @ 00:59
迴響 from: 嘶皅宅呀人 [訪問者]
我有疑惑:
日本海上保安廳的巡視艦在釣魚台海域撞沉台灣漁船,這樣算警告,算防衛,還是粗魯的犯罪?國際上有多少海域的侵入糾紛是用把他國船隻撞沉而未採取廣播或鳴槍這樣的方式來解決的?這算國際慣例嗎?是什麼原因讓這些日本人採取這樣的行動?
我們的官員,對與日本的海域紛爭迴避退縮...對美國的政策主張不敢拒絕...對中國的霸權善意示好...
那麼台灣政府官員的立場在哪裡?國家尊嚴的底線是哪裡?

這個救他國人民比救自己國人民還熱衷的新政府團隊,讓我心寒.

此已成政治文,褒貶砍文自是悉聽尊便.不過朱大把某網民的灌水囈語砍伐殆盡,也算是宣示了阿宅領地的主權,可喜可賀.
2008-06-13 @ 01:00
迴響 from: oskar---抽中書了 感謝各位 [訪問者]
不過 澄清一個觀點
請在外交上 政治上 軍事上 實質利益上 去清算這些問題
當然事情是可以越辯越明的

但是 請別三兩句話又扯到甚麼日本鬼子 劣根性的血液 沒有人性之類的那些東西
就事論事就好
一下子又扯成"日本人"全部都不是人 扯到民族仇恨這些
演變得也太過頭了

在大陸工作了一年多
遇過很多朋友 都很年輕的 30歲以下
非常排日 討厭日本人 好像非除之而後快一樣
她們甚至從來沒有認識過任何一個日本人 卻好像對她們的邪惡瞭若指掌
這是一種悲哀

她們對於台灣的誤解 對於台灣人的誤解也是
這是基於一種錯誤的教育 政治宣傳與文化塑造所形成的認知

恨罪不恨人
2008-06-13 @ 01:08
迴響 from: 我自閉 [訪問者]
我覺得日本保安廳這次撞沉我漁船是蓄意的,不然就是警告意味很濃,
我記得前一陣子我們有包圍過日本巡邏艦,所以這次就來給我們個教訓。

台20漁船反包圍日艦 http://hk.news.yahoo.com/070521/12/27vke.html

我們或許可以參考南韓的做法:
日本與南韓有一個爭議性的領土,南韓叫獨島,日本叫竹島,南韓就比較激烈了
兩國在2005年及2008年的時候都為了一艘漁船造成雙方的艦艇對峙,
對峙的結果:
第一次的結果是南韓"憂慮對峙現場的氣象狀況不佳,很可能釀成海難事故。韓國要求日方首先做出讓步,以後再通過外交途徑解決問題。"
提出的是韓外交通商部,其老大是現任聯合國秘書長潘基文
第二次的結果是韓警從漁船的紀錄查出並沒有越界,日方也道歉。(所以要留證據阿,但是我們的證據已經沉在海裡了)

這些結果都是需要對峙才不至於在談判桌上處於劣勢。

http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/060705/19/ml0.html
節錄裡面一段
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海上保安廳發言人表示,「我方巡邏艦在清晨六時四十一分(格林威治標準時間二十一時四十一分)發現這艘調查船,我們透過無線電與他們連絡,要求他們停止活動」。

他說,「南韓船隻回覆我們﹃請勿打擾﹄」
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好一個"請勿打擾",希望我們的政府面對日方的時候,也能不卑不亢。

我的印象是日本人是一個對弱勢欺凌,對強勢低頭及喜歡拍A片的民族。

所以一旦遇到弱勢就絕對不會客氣,會一直要你退,即使你已經無法可退,他還是要你退。
但是面對不卑不亢或是強勢,就會容易唯唯諾諾,以前美日談判就是一例。

日本是一個講究氣勢的民族。(我喜歡巧克力"嘶~~~~~~~~~啊~~~~~~~~"的氣勢)
所以在氣勢上絕對不能輸,因為一定不會打起來,所以要透過對峙來設法取得談判優勢,
外交上會出現問題,但也只是暫時的,也是可以彌補的,但經此一役,日方會瞭解馬政府的
危機處理能力及對釣魚台的基本態度是否跟過去一樣。

我認為可能蔡先生的對日心態是低一截的,是怕事的,雖然他明知這個下下去的後果是如何,
但是在當時他可能也已經慌了,不知要如何面對他要討好的日方友人(因為他是外交官,以目前
的外交處境來說,討好日人是他的工作)。
但是他可能忘了身為外交官,其態度需為不卑不亢,心態觀念上也不正確。

雖然台灣大部分的人都是一樣的心態。 (面對美國也是一樣拉)
但是我認為蔡先生坐這個位置是不適任的。

我們的官員面對日方的態度,還需要學習。
2008-06-13 @ 01:10
迴響 from: oskar---抽中書了 感謝各位 [訪問者]
這個救他國人民比救自己國人民還熱衷的新政府團隊,讓我心寒.
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why??? 這個比較是為什麼???
政府現在有錯是因為 她們採取了錯誤的態度 沒有堅持捍衛人民福祉權力的立場
這樣的政府我們應該譴責 應該鞭策
1.對於弱者跟需要幫助的人我們應該一視同仁的
2.由於她們是我們的人民 政府更有責任替她們設想

如果 本國人民的漁船 跟 中國人民的漁船一起被撞沉
先去就中國漁船
我們可以說她們諂媚 罵政府混蛋
因為她們明明拿走我們的稅金 應該優先拯救我們的漁船

今天 附近好像沒有中國漁船被撞沉 我們也沒有考慮去營救 實際上不存在的人吧???
那請問你比較是在比較甚麼???
與其心寒 不如集中火力鞭策蠢政府吧
莫須有的亂扣 倒是該省下來了
2008-06-13 @ 01:14
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
看到這種文章不知道為何讓我覺得怒氣更深沈!

Lucifer

2008-06-13 @ 01:22
迴響 from: oskar---抽中書了 感謝各位 [訪問者]

可惜我明天要meeting該睡了
不然宅霸我們可以去吃快炒加啤酒洩憤!!!
(此乃持續增加體重之標準方法)
2008-06-13 @ 01:35
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
除非你是正妹,不然誰要半夜跟一個阿宅去吃快炒,那只會越吃越忿。

Lucifer

老衲喜歡喝清酒是也。
2008-06-13 @ 01:38
迴響 from: 彭哥列十代目 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/luke1989
今天的朱大很熱血地爆氣了阿!
中華民國雖然有很多鳥事
但我們還是愛這個國家
愛這個有鳥事也有很多可愛的人民的地方
政府如果懦弱到無法站出來
那麼最後一道防線就是人民本身了
2008-06-13 @ 01:40
迴響 from: oskar---抽中書了 感謝各位 [訪問者]
(正妹電話撥打中)
茵茵啊...好可惜喔...你唱那麼好...沒過關運氣真不好...
我好想現場聽你唱you're everything喔
明天去唱KTV好嚕...

此乃阿宅幻想文
2008-06-13 @ 02:02
迴響 from: Todd White [訪問者] · http://www.toddwhite.ws
別吵了,
大夥兒明天示威抗議一下,
要中華民國海空軍立即出動,
擺明如果小日本不放人,
不管死活要和小日本來干一場,
來個同歸已盡。。。。。。XD
2008-06-13 @ 02:13
迴響 from: 仙山居士 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/ozasik
在下大概知道有錢人為什麼不想繳稅給政府了。

其實該生氣的事情早就不只這一件,
從520到現在已經不知道舉辦過多少次「府前抗議嘉年華」了......

這看似無關政治,實際上卻是確實地跟政治相關。這些人不僅在拿納稅人的錢花用,還是在浪費!


喪權辱國!讓此等要自我沒自我,要自私很自私的官員做什麼!?
2008-06-13 @ 02:15
迴響 from: doomleika [訪問者]
那漁船也真的是神經病,明明知道釣魚臺是地雷區還跑到那給日本婊。

我們政府也太沒那個.....如果兩邊真的打起來爽的一定是對岸,這種情況下老美介入談判反而有利啊。
2008-06-13 @ 02:44
迴響 from: Shuyi [訪問者]
Sigh...
2008-06-13 @ 03:05
迴響 from: JJ [訪問者]
支持朱大
這是喪權辱國的事情
不過
民眾也要站出來
才能給政府更多民氣可用
如果老百姓都只是看電視罵一罵
隔天照常管他幾個漁民去死
日本人會鳥才怪
人民要站起來
國家才能站出來
2008-06-13 @ 04:02
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
唉~

以後只有我自己職夜班。
2008-06-13 @ 05:21
迴響 from: Jack [訪問者]
你拿自衛隊跟海巡署比基本上就錯了,海巡署只能算海警,要跟我們的海軍比才對,懂嗎?
2008-06-13 @ 06:26
迴響 from: 好笑 [訪問者]
同意上面 jack 所說的,自衛隊 vs 海巡署?拿軍隊跟警察比,版主也太沒知識了吧??拿時事亂掰一通炒人氣,果然是阿宅.
2008-06-13 @ 06:33
迴響 from: 路過 [訪問者]
我的媽,

台灣什麼時候也有憤青這種族群,

大家可不可以多讀點國際海洋法或相關判例的書阿,

如果政府官員都跟你們一樣,

貼幾張圖,慷慨激昂的噴幾句口水,

完全不顧可能面臨的後果

(不要說什麼我準備好了,這已經被證明是句瘋話),

台灣早就亡國了,

建議大家用google查這幾個關鍵字,

"國際海洋法" "傳統漁捕權" "共同開發"

講話前先研究點資料好不好,

我實在看不下去了

=============================================
看白礁主權判決 釣魚臺怎麼辦?
http://udn.com/NEWS/OPINION/X1/4358113.shtml
【聯合報╱姜皇池/台大法律系副教授(台北市)】
2008-06-13 @ 06:46
迴響 from: funkhop [訪問者] · http://www.aomaot.com/aoe3tad/index.php
你好!!平日無事很喜歡來你的blog看您的文章,也非常你的文筆加圖像,讓我非常嚮往也能搞個跟你一樣的blog加分享a片,如果有那麼一天我一定會通知你。廢話先不說

這是我第一次回文,回文目地是希望讓我引用你的這篇文章到 小井之家 這論襢

我都有標註原著是您,是否願意讓我能把你愛的精華分享給一推打世紀三的宅友看(打這篇請求文時前,我已經在小井之家po完你的文章了,先跟你報備一下),因為我有一股熱血想馬上把好文轉引到給他人看的衝動,希望我這舉動能跟你的朱意志有所共鳴,如果在此造成你的不爽或不舒服的地方,我願意移除掉我所盜用你po的文,如果有失禮的地方請您多多用幹字回我 或 親自到小井之家來幹我,或者要求我的自拍照讓你在小畫家作生殖器上的修改,當作你往後寫文章的材料,如果你要的話 baby
2008-06-13 @ 07:22
迴響 from: 哎 [訪問者]
> 面對世界上第五強的軍事力量,海巡署只有一艘破爛的和星艦。(←而且更別提之前還被飆車族打敗過)

什麼跟什麼啊,我們的諾克司、拉法葉都被你老大丟了嗎?
2008-06-13 @ 07:39
迴響 from: 搞不懂 [訪問者]
前幾天老共的發言人還出面替"中國台北"岀了聲 (雖然聽的我心裡很幹),但至少出了聲.看我們的外交部悶聲發大財,過了兩天才發個聲明稿應付一下,連總統府也到昨天才發表個四點聲明敷衍一番. 我想把外交國防out sourcing給老共老了,這樣一來天塌下來也有胳膊粗的頂著. 免得老是吵是否要買武器,反正買了也沒用. 真的幹的要死,對這樣的政府,真不知道要如何以身為台灣人為榮.
2008-06-13 @ 08:04
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
轉文隨便轉啦......

Lucifer
2008-06-13 @ 08:56
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
媽哩,男子漢敢站出來就不要畏畏縮縮的在那邊自己一個人互相呼應。要不是老子砍廣告信還不會發現這裡來了這種軟弱的傢伙。

這位來自219.84.155.60的孩子是一群人一起用一台電腦是吧?

這裡又不反對你一個人多發幾篇,假裝成好幾個人瞎灌水是可以替自己壯膽嗎?

Lucifer

還同意上面的看法哩......呿。

2008-06-13 @ 09:04
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
科科,還有人搬了個台大法律系的灌水就當作聖旨了,這是中文閱讀能力需要提升還是怎麼樣?

釣魚台主權問題從未曾經過任何國際法庭裁判調查和宣判,是哪來任何的定案啊?

不然是你說那屬於日本就屬於日本啦?那我說與那國島也屬於台灣不是更讚?

Lucifer
2008-06-13 @ 09:11
迴響 from: 在想以後是不是就是務農賣宅獸T的農友 [訪問者]
很明顯~

根據某迷你探子的回報,

這群人還來自台北地區的sonet用戶...

有沒有這麼清苦呀,

三個人不同時間在同一個ip下po文,

啊~還是是同一室友被召來助陣?
2008-06-13 @ 09:24
迴響 from: chuck [訪問者]
在國際上,除了我們的邦交國,其它國家並不敢承認我們是一個國家
今天這個事件是外交事件,但在國際上,一個不被當成國家的國家
那有什麼外交空間,但該有的態度還是要有,今天你默認了,退縮了
自己把底限往後退,以後人家就愈來愈強硬
可悲的外交部...無能的外交部長
2008-06-13 @ 09:34
迴響 from: zop [訪問者]
的確是幹他媽的狗官,
「日本官員要求.....」,他媽的吃裡扒外!

這種審他叛國也不為過!
2008-06-13 @ 09:43
迴響 from: 在想以後是不是就是務農賣宅獸T的農友 [訪問者]
啊~那件貪官污吏的Tshirt早做出來啦,還限量5件咧~

只是消失在豪宅娘的無想轉生收納術下,

等豪宅翻出來嚕~
2008-06-13 @ 09:59
迴響 from: 晃晃 [訪問者] · http://j.cards.twirc.org
好像沒人提到白癡的總統府發言人的聲明:

總統府聲明如下:「釣魚台列嶼是中華民國領土,地理上是台灣的附屬島嶼,屬於宜蘭縣頭城鎮大溪里。我們堅持維護釣魚台主權的決心從未改變,也絕不改變。此一立場,外交部十分了解並遵行。」

聲明並指出,「對於日本政府船艦在我們的領海,撞沉我國的漁船,扣留我國的船長,我們要提出嚴正抗議,並要求日本立即釋回船長及提出賠償,外交部已依據上述原則與日方繼續交涉中。我們也要求海巡署立即強化編裝,提升維護主權與捍衛漁權的功能。」

這是不是說, 人先放回來, 贖金好商量?

這聲明讓我覺得是要日本把人放回來, 順便向我們提出賠償..

真是好樣的, 槓!
2008-06-13 @ 10:03
迴響 from: 移情別戀的潛水夫:一整個無力。 [訪問者]
農友兄:
那件貪官污吏T也是黑色的嗎?

你的圖案,你的構想,有的蠻有趣的。

有沒有再版的可能?

堵神,我也想要做。



我有一個疑問,釣魚台的問題不是已經很久了,為什麼不能像日韓那個什麼島一般,徹底解決呢?一個傻問題
2008-06-13 @ 10:04
迴響 from: TVIRUS [訪問者]
喵的咧~
另爸好歹是空軍F戰機體系出來的,

檢視較大的地圖

如果可以起飛的話,從X蓮機場飛到目的地約290公里, 慢...慢...開也大概3分鐘
但是回到討論的重點 --> 沒膽!
2008-06-13 @ 10:08
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
檢視較大的地圖是啥?

Lucifer
2008-06-13 @ 10:09
迴響 from: TVIRUS [訪問者]
糟糕....貼圖失敗....
http://maps.google.com.tw/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=zh-TW&msa=0&ll=24.941238,122.601929&spn=3.540889,3.938599&z=8&msid=115633457141277791250.00044f8238d944e812ed8
2008-06-13 @ 10:09
迴響 from: 移情別戀的潛水夫:一整個無力,沒有地理知(常)識。 [訪問者]
原來,相較之下,釣魚台比與那國島跟石垣島離台灣還要遠喔?!

釣魚台是我們的,那與那國島跟石垣島更應該是我們的。
2008-06-13 @ 10:15
迴響 from: 貓神官 [訪問者]
>>晃晃
發言人大概沒潤稿…XD
怎麼看都應該把「提出賠償」的提出給拿掉才對
2008-06-13 @ 10:24
迴響 from: 河流裡 [訪問者]
四十年來家國,三千里地山河......
2008-06-13 @ 10:25
迴響 from: 渴力歐 [訪問者]
朱老大的網誌不需要靠時事炒人氣吧...

不過被抓包真的很好笑...三位清苦青年阿 = =
2008-06-13 @ 10:28
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者]
我喜歡這個...

今天就算海巡署官兵手上只有拿著兩根樹枝,划著一個舢舨,套著半個游泳圈,面對全世界排名第五名的海軍,就算明知道打不贏,比不上,也得硬著頭皮上,因為這是他們的責任。
2008-06-13 @ 10:54
迴響 from: Colin [訪問者]
說到這就好笑
馬囧在內政出問題的時候說那是行政院的權責
總統是負責外交國防的...

現在呢?
外交國防出了問題
他到好...
白天不吭不哈的
晚上去了個商會晚宴也裝聾作啞
他媽的總統府發言人還說馬囧現在是保釣熱血中年勒

真後悔322那票是蓋在他頭頂上的 = =凸
2008-06-13 @ 10:55
迴響 from: TRAVELER [訪問者]
在二次大戰時也有一艘同樣叫日向的航空戰艦 日本人終究還是難忘二次大戰大日本帝國海軍的盛況 忍不住還是造出航空母艦日向號 http://blog.pixnet.net/loongchih/post/10235528
2008-06-13 @ 11:27
迴響 from: ICE [訪問者]
堅持立即 放人!賠償!道歉!! +1
2008-06-13 @ 11:34
迴響 from: 正咩...??? 我想團購橘子.. [訪問者]

農友的新T...讚!^^b

農地可以一半種橘子..
一半種荔枝嗎?

一直很喜歡日本..
不過很驕傲的是...
我不是盲目的喜歡...

該拿出來批的還是要批!!!

2008-06-13 @ 11:35
迴響 from: davidtso [訪問者]
http://www.libertytimes.com.tw/2008/new/jun/11/today-p7.htm
「日本愈不讓我們去,我們愈要去」
真是好樣的..
為了這幾個釣客的荷包就準備砍狗官和小日本開戰了嗎?
大家真是有情有義的鐵血男子漢...
2008-06-13 @ 11:37
迴響 from: Sampkao [訪問者]
哪有甚麼哪個島該是誰誰誰的、目前還很難說?你若佔領它個一兩百年,它就是你的了。

這又不是蘇聯入侵阿夫汗,也不是美國入侵伊拉克,需要殺人無數。

自己都堅持的不是很肯定,誰會理你啊,知不知道這個世上每天有多少領土疆界的爭議發生,還國際海洋法咧,福克蘭群島是用海洋法決定出來的嗎,一邊去。

釣魚台是我們的!!
2008-06-13 @ 11:39
迴響 from: JK [訪問者]
日本自衛隊
超帥氣!!!
i like it!
2008-06-13 @ 11:41
迴響 from: JK [訪問者]
You should take a look at these.

http://blog.roodo.com/subing/archives/6170565.html#comment-16644215

http://blog.roodo.com/weichen/archives/6163513.html
2008-06-13 @ 11:43
迴響 from: 匿名 [訪問者]
別忘了有一位大家花錢養的前前總統
曾經說過釣魚台是日本的
2008-06-13 @ 11:47
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
好一個吃裏扒外的外交部日本事務會執行長,出賣自己國家的人這叫什麼? 漢奸? 台奸? 中奸? 雞排奸?

領的是納稅人的錢,還往外靠 什麼? 你說日本私下給你的更多? 喔喔喔 那當我沒說,會有另一個部門的來找你喝咖啡 XD
2008-06-13 @ 11:50
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
眾所皆知
在美乳濱崎+高樹瑪莉亞等眾多明星加持下
戰鬥力是很強的

當過兵的又知道台灣海巡幾乎都是個混吃等死打麻將的單位
有戰鬥力的只有單位中的菜鳥
(因為菜鳥會被操,爽不到)


也因此建議馬總統重新組織培訓
每艘船上加裝片尾的重機槍*4

以達到有效嚇阻,強力打擊日本小倭寇的士氣
更可以用優勢武力逼迫日漁民棄船跳海以宣揚國威

>

講真的
小弟以為台灣海防有"三不"
1. 海巡訓練不確實
(據說中古兵幾乎不曾跑三千)
2. 海巡編制不足夠
(海軍陸戰隊應該要有駐點才對,怎麼撤了呢)
3. 海巡武器不潮流
(如上所示,武器早就退流行了)

也因此,台灣海域安全提升是刻不容緩的事情
應提案添購次世代制式提升海軍戰鬥力
以確保2300萬同胞及台灣主權
http://x62.xanga.com/5c9a03064253164041313/z42942773.jpg
2008-06-13 @ 11:51
迴響 from: jupiter [訪問者]
釣魚台所在的區域海底是古沉積盆地,可能的石油含量才是沒有能源輸出的日本所覬覦的.
2008-06-13 @ 11:54
迴響 from: 我愛張台大 [訪問者]
我同意蔡先生行為喪權辱國啦,

但拿綠卡又曾經表示"不惜一戰"的熱寫青年馬囧,

如今有權代表國家大聲說話,

卻龜縮起來了,

真是丟臉咧~

上行下效囉!!
2008-06-13 @ 12:00
迴響 from: Colin [訪問者]
中華民國政府官方年鑑↓↓↓
http://www7.www.gov.tw/EBOOKS/TWANNUAL/show_book.php?path=8_004_044

是的
如果正式開採的話台灣就能躍升石油輸出國
事實上連南海領土爭議也是為了石油

幾個釣客的荷包就準備砍狗官和小日本開戰
是為了我們自己而怒吼...
2008-06-13 @ 12:02
迴響 from: Colin [訪問者]
不能編輯真讓人頭痛....

最後是說
不是像某個人說的"幾個釣客的荷包就準備砍狗官和小日本開戰"
而是為了國家利益在怒吼
2008-06-13 @ 12:04
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
(補足)
眾所皆知
日本自尉隊
在美乳濱崎+高樹瑪莉亞等眾多明星加持下
戰鬥力是很強的
.
.
.
.
也因此,台灣海域安全提升是刻不容緩的事情
應提案添購次世代制式龍王號,提升海軍戰鬥力
以確保2300萬同胞及台灣主權
http://x62.xanga.com/5c9a03064253164041313/z42942773.jpg
2008-06-13 @ 12:06
迴響 from: 正咩...??? 我被阿宅嚇到... [訪問者]
演出者:我、女同事、宅同事
場景:在辦公室掃除硬碟病毒..完成階段...

女:你們兩個在幹嘛?
我:(拔USB)蛤?
宅:我要請假...

女:真假的?!我們MIS現在只剩下一個人了耶...
我:......嘿?
宅:沒有啦...

女:沒有要請假..你來我們XX這邊幹嘛?
我:.......= =+
宅:.......

女:我們XX可是有男朋友的耶!
我:....噗!!!!!!!!!!
宅:.........還沒有結婚..大家都有機會...(科科..)

我:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(大驚)
女:(倒吸一口冷氣)!!!!!

宅科科笑的離開了...

2008-06-13 @ 12:07
老粳嘞,俺一個星期跑六天,每天跑6-7000公尺…
這些阿兵哥真的要加油一點了…
2008-06-13 @ 12:09
迴響 from: oskar---抽中書了 感謝各位 [訪問者]
看了一下這些轉貼的看法 或是 評論
看得我得腦袋都糊了

本來想回應的 但是 我都看不懂
對我來說 政治果然太難了

我還是專心 科科科科吧

[從八年前 我開始走有理性的批判陳水扁總統
看到現在無數的 無理性批判(支持) 陳總統 跟 馬總統的現象
我怎麼看到 不管甚麼都跟 羅織 比較有關係...]
2008-06-13 @ 12:13
迴響 from: 潛水夫:一整個無力,我要堵神。 [訪問者]
正咩妹妹:
那個女生是對那位宅有興趣吧,不然,怎麼一直找他講話。

妳在大驚什麼?怕他來追求妳嗎?
2008-06-13 @ 12:13
迴響 from: PNilton [訪問者]
我們都要承受過去不斷被推翻的國家
前前總統根本就是日本人
什麼釣魚台是日本的話都講的出來
講有勃大言不殘的指出蔣家破害台灣就算了,等於對著自己的祖墳罵三字經一樣
這就是我們的家
我們的鄉
媽的還有銀行推出台灣認同卡勒
官員都不認同領體了
靠....

還有講有勃最近跟sogo新的環保袋像極了鳥巢
還說自己是創意公司
PVC材質還敢大聲說環保
所以說還有誰的話可信的...
有圖有證據
2008-06-13 @ 12:17
迴響 from: PNilton [訪問者]
阿沒貼成
補圖網址
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3010/2573992509_dc0ba042e0_o.jpg
2008-06-13 @ 12:18
迴響 from: 正咩...??? 我被阿宅嚇到... [訪問者]

潛水夫葛格...

女已經是為人妻..為人母...
大驚是因為..
沒想到平常溫文儒雅的宅...
竟然會說出.....

著實嚇了一跳!!(跳)
2008-06-13 @ 12:20
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 潛水夫:一整個無力,我要堵神。 [訪問者]
正咩妹妹:
那個女生是對那位宅有興趣吧,不然,怎麼一直找他講話。

妳在大驚什麼?怕他來追求妳嗎?
--------------------------------------

應該是對於該位宅宅面對名花有主仍有放話追求的勇氣而嚇到吧 XD
2008-06-13 @ 12:21
迴響 from: 正咩...??? 我被阿宅嚇到... [訪問者]
To.盧卡斯

應該是對於該位宅宅面對名花有主仍有放話追求的勇氣而嚇到吧 XD

女:他剛說那句話..是要追妳嗎?
我:不是吧!!!!!!!只是最近變得幽默而已吧!!!!

我想...
不是的...

2008-06-13 @ 12:24
迴響 from: 潛水夫:一整個無力,我要堵神。 [訪問者]
為人妻,為人母,更好呀!

沒有負擔。

當然啦,這也有可能是”工程師慣有的冷笑話”。
2008-06-13 @ 12:26
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 正咩...??? 我被阿宅嚇到... [訪問者]
To.盧卡斯

應該是對於該位宅宅面對名花有主仍有放話追求的勇氣而嚇到吧 XD

女:他剛說那句話..是要追妳嗎?
我:不是吧!!!!!!!只是最近變得幽默而已吧!!!!

我想...
不是的...
----------------------------------------

噗......聽說人面對自己不願意承認的事情時
第一個反應都是認為不可能........XD

正咩...???(心中OS):拜託你不要真的說出來,我還想低調的工作啊.......
2008-06-13 @ 12:32
迴響 from: oskar---抽中書了 感謝各位 [訪問者]
To.盧卡斯

應該是對於該位宅宅面對名花有主仍有放話追求的勇氣而嚇到吧 XD

女:他剛說那句話..是要追妳嗎?
我:不是吧!!!!!!!只是最近變得幽默而已吧!!!!

我想...
不是的...
----------------------------------------

噗......聽說人面對自己不願意承認的事情時
第一個反應都是認為不可能........XD

正咩...???(心中OS):拜託你不要真的說出來,我還想低調的工作啊.......
-------------------------------------------------------------
也許他是想收集好人卡!!!
2008-06-13 @ 12:36
迴響 from: 正咩...??? 我被阿宅嚇到... [訪問者]
To.盧卡斯

噗......聽說人面對自己不願意承認的事情時
第一個反應都是認為不可能........XD

正咩...???(心中OS):拜託你不要真的說出來,我還想低調的工作啊.......

***********
...............應該是真的開玩笑的....吧...= =||||

****

剛剛被宅的前主管小唸了一下...

前:蛤~妳把他說的PO上網喔~醬不好吧?
我:嗯?怎樣不好?
前:因為妳不知道他是什麼心情說那句話的啊...
我:..開..開...開玩笑的吧...妳不要跟我說是認真的啊!
前:不知道.....
我:.....................

2008-06-13 @ 12:40
迴響 from: 正咩...??? 我被阿宅嚇到... [訪問者]


當然啦,這也有可能是”工程師慣有的冷笑話”。

是的,我也是這麼相信著...
潛水夫葛格....

2008-06-13 @ 12:55
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
引言越來越長了 XD

因為只有阿宅才會了解阿宅啊
阿宅要行動通常要不就是傻傻的往前衝 然後被簡單KO
要嘛就是自以為聲東擊西,其實只有不願意承認的主角跟阿宅自己認為別人都不會發現

2008-06-13 @ 12:58
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
聊天歸聊天,主題還是要拉回來一下

剛剛看了蘋果的蘋論,老實說,平常看看蘋果哈哈笑,它的蘋論也許有時立場不一,
但是有些時候說得東西還是值得想一下的

那個青菜蚵仔奸老年昏花不管它,反正是個一腳踏進棺的主,老馬這兩天滿低調
沒有主動發言,我還找了一下,除了那四點,沒見到有什麼特別的發言

後來找到了蘋論,覺得它說的還算有點道理
http://1-apple.com.tw/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Article&art_id=30649749&issueid=20080613

不過我想補充的是,這碼子事就算在這方面為了大原則的問題,
避免硬碰硬幹上而讓後面的獵人科科笑,至少也要在其它方面找回場子。

當然,這種解決方式是今天這件事沒有鬧出人命的情況,不然我覺得就會是另一個局面了
2008-06-13 @ 13:10
迴響 from: mickyp [訪問者] · http://micky.hime2000.com
看了真令人生氣!!
2008-06-13 @ 13:27
迴響 from: 流浪鄉民~小米 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/max9797
之前只是大聲叫叫嚇唬我們(驅離)
但我們默默接受....
現在是用手推我們一把(撞船)

很難想像下次會不會一拳直接打過來(出人命)
2008-06-13 @ 13:30
迴響 from: Jeff [訪問者]
小的在某方面,倒是有點不一樣的看法。

不論如何,海巡署並不是外交部的直轄單位,如果蔡明耀能夠一個電話打到和星艦的艦長室下命令,而艦長也真的聽了命令,那這個艦長就該砍頭。

由此看來,所謂的蔡明耀不過是一個出來替大哥扛罪坐牢的小弟罷了,偶是不知道一般國際事務慣例是怎樣,不過牽扯到兩國之間敏感的領土之稱的時候,讓一個所謂的「事務官」來決定自己的官方船隻要離多遠,實在讓人匪夷所思。

當然啦,照一般的官場定律來看,這代表著我們蔡先生不日就要高陞 --- 你要先成為自己人,才能當扛罪坐牢小弟。
2008-06-13 @ 13:36
迴響 from: jupiter [訪問者]
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=uKpNGe6hyMY&feature=related
2008-06-13 @ 14:19
迴響 from: 正咩...??? [訪問者]

其實只有不願意承認的主角跟阿宅自己認為別人都不會發現

↑...........(被刺到!?)

我們不要誤會人家的意思...
可能真的只是開玩笑啊...

大家放輕鬆...
冷靜一點...深呼吸...深呼吸...

2008-06-13 @ 14:30
迴響 from: 碎棉布族 [訪問者]
憤怒的阿宅用下午茶補充戰鬥力
2008-06-13 @ 14:34
迴響 from: 潛水夫:一整個無力,我要堵神。 [訪問者]
依照我以前還是個工程師兼阿宅的時候,除非是有中意的人人妻人母也在內,否則,是不會輕易說出

『還沒有結婚..大家都有機會。』

當仔細再玩意這句話,當場三人只有一人已婚,那不就代表........。

另外模式的告白嗎?



朱大,抱歉,這於此類話題,一向無力,只好找妹妹純哈啦。
2008-06-13 @ 14:38
迴響 from: 正咩...??? [訪問者]
迴響來自: 潛水夫:一整個無力,我要堵神。 [訪問者]
依照我以前還是個工程師兼阿宅的時候,除非是有中意的人人妻人母也在內,否則,是不會輕易說出

『還沒有結婚..大家都有機會。』

當仔細再玩意這句話,當場三人只有一人已婚,那不就代表........。
另外模式的告白嗎?

************

所以...是對人妻的告白?(???)
感情的世界是大人的遊戲...
我不懂...我不懂...

XDDDDDDDDD
2008-06-13 @ 14:44
迴響 from: 潛水夫:一整個無力,我要堵神。 [訪問者]
妳懂的...妳一定懂的...
他對妳的心意,妳怎麼可能會不知道,不要再欺騙自己了。


靠,朱大在這憂國憂民,我在跟妳演瓊瑤。(自爆)
2008-06-13 @ 14:49
迴響 from: 流浪鄉民~小米 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/max9797
嗯.....好想睡覺哦=.="
2008-06-13 @ 14:55
迴響 from: 正咩...??? 朱大會不會把我們幾個加入黑名單?XD [訪問者]

怪了...
為什麼大家都要把我推給宅...

為什麼?!
為什麼?!
為什麼?!
為什麼?!
為什麼?!
為什麼?!

為~~~~~~~~~~什~~~~~~~~~~麼~~~~~~~~~~~

非常小聲的說....又不是我的菜...囧

2008-06-13 @ 15:01
迴響 from: 潛水夫:一整個無力,我要堵神。 [訪問者]
更小聲的說,因為妳是他的菜。
2008-06-13 @ 15:11
迴響 from: 被冷氣吹到頭昏的農友 [訪問者]
那正咩你就把圖附上來,

讓大家看看是不是宅宅的菜咩~

------------把話題拉回來,避免被加入黑名單--------------------
小日本鬼子這麼口惡,

那我要多抓幾片a片

讓av女優失業,

日本經濟蕭條,

一吐大家的怨氣~
2008-06-13 @ 15:21
「憤怒的阿宅用下午茶補充戰鬥力」???

不行啊…一頓豐富的下午茶…
會讓俺這個臭肥宅跑步跑到死~~


老粳嘞,按照網路上的熱量計算器,
跑步四十分,再加上俺的體重和年紀,
只能消耗600大卡…好少喔T_T

一大塊奶油蛋糕就打死不用找了~~
2008-06-13 @ 15:25
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephenalien
有朋友先對訴諸國際尋求國際仲裁做了模擬:


場景:海牙國際法庭
原告:中華民國
被告:日本

法官:原告上台陳述...
原告:我是中華...
法官:中華民國是個啥麼東西ㄚ?1949年就被中國取代啦...
原告:我....我....
法官:你是個啥麼東西ㄚ?又不是國家的代表,長的跟畜牲一模一樣,告....告個屁ㄚ!!
原告:釣....釣.....
法官:屌....你個no more啦(這是客家話),沒有原告,這件案子也不成立!!沒有原告,也沒有勝訴敗訴!!
原告:我有綠卡以及國際觀,你不可以乎巄我ㄟ
法官:沒有國籍跟居留權的,才會汲汲於申請居留權以及國籍!我就說...你是個啥屁ㄚ,你還不承認!!
原告:....我會說英文....
法官:你很行,我還會說畜牲話,爬說語勒....滿口"陰"文,離死期不遠啦!!還不承認自己是亡國奴!!賤種!!
法官:還不承認你是馬英酒!!



2008-06-13 @ 15:29
迴響 from: 潛水夫:一整個無力,我要堵神。 [訪問者]
農友兄:
你就用力的抓吧,然後再Share出來,我再從你那兒抓,一起來讓日本經濟蕭條。偶老婆不准偶養動物。
2008-06-13 @ 15:30
晚一點有空,再貼上今天小弟和菜市場魚販的對話,
今天早上為了這件事直接去問我家樓下賣魚的大哥!!

先說明,這件事按照基隆那裡的漁民說,
(那位賣魚大哥是親叔叔在彭佳嶼那裡捉魚),
是小日本已經開到我們家門口來撞我們的漁船了,
所以基隆那裡的漁民才會反應那麼激烈!!

馬冏政府有必要強硬對小日本才對!!
2008-06-13 @ 15:31
迴響 from: 正咩...??? 朱大會不會把我們幾個加入黑名單?XD [訪問者]
迴響來自: 被冷氣吹到頭昏的農友 [訪問者]
那正咩你就把圖附上來,
讓大家看看是不是宅宅的菜咩~

*************

我不是啊...
而且我很早之前就放過了...

XDDDDD
2008-06-13 @ 15:31
迴響 from: 正咩...??? 朱大會不會把我們幾個加入黑名單?XD [訪問者]
迴響來自: 潛水夫:一整個無力,我要堵神。 [訪問者]
更小聲的說,因為妳是他的菜。
2008-06-13 @ 15:11

***********

超小聲的說:我不是.......
2008-06-13 @ 15:32
迴響 from: 正咩...??? 朱大會不會把我們幾個加入黑名單?XD [訪問者]
法官:屌....你個no more啦(這是客家話)


.....哪裡的客家話?
好像沒聽過....


2008-06-13 @ 15:34
迴響 from: 感嘆 [訪問者]
朱大,寫太長不要K我
看了新聞報導之後,覺得心裡很難過,
人必自侮而後人侮之,
自己這麼沒用當然人家要來欺負你,誰叫你不反抗?
韓國政府會強硬,當然也是因為韓國人民強悍,
看看這次的美國牛肉事件就知道了,
老百姓都不當一回事,政府就更無所謂了
所以說,我只相信一件事,不抗爭這些王八蛋都以為我們無所謂,
只有抗爭,才會讓阿扁痛,只有抗爭,才會讓馬囧醒過來!!
尊嚴是爭取來的,不會從天上掉下來!!

因為工作的關係我常和日本人接觸,
以前是客戶,我就常常對日本人兇,
後來變供應商,反被日本人K,
有一次被K到火大,當場兇回去,對方立刻嚇到,以後態度就好很多….,
標準的欺善怕惡

選前其實就已經對馬囧沒什麼期待,
就像李敖講的,”他只是長得好看而已”,
他手底下的不會比他好到哪裡去,
靠這些爛官台灣人早就死光了………
至於那位蔡先生,我覺得他的反應根本是在意料之中,
這個傢伙從骨子裡就認為自己是日本人,
他認為遵從皇軍的命令是應該的,
才不管你們這些土著怎麼想….…..
反而是民盡檔的反應很可笑,
阿扁執政的時候這些人對日本人怎麼欺負台灣人都無所謂,
一到馬囧就硬起來,難道馬囧是他們的威而鋼?

不過,最近日本人在和中國談判東海油田開發的時候,並不順利,
我想這也是他們這一次動作這麼激烈的原因,
這次的事件我看不會這樣善了,日本恐怕只會越來越強硬,
尤其在其它幾個周邊國家都惹不起的情況下(韓國、中國、俄羅斯,一隻比一隻大尾),
先挑軟柿子吃是日本人的標準作風,不找自衛隊來開火已經很客氣了,
馬囧再這樣無所謂下去,不用等阿共仔來,日本總督就要再度光臨總督府了

話又說回來,台灣人的思考邏輯很怪,
日本人屠殺了一堆台灣人,阿共仔沒有殺過台灣人,結果台灣人恨阿共仔恨得要死,
等到發生四川大地震,台灣人又是出錢又是出力的,完全把平常的仇恨放在一邊,
就像台灣的選舉一樣,選舉到了,就說外省人怎樣怎樣,閩南人怎樣怎樣,客家人怎樣怎樣,
一過了選舉就又像沒事一樣,這算是人格分裂嗎?
2008-06-13 @ 15:36
迴響 from: soren [訪問者]
TO:感嘆

你也可以說~ 這就是台灣人可愛的地方
現今的台灣人~ 立場及角色很SMOOTH
2008-06-13 @ 15:50
迴響 from: 豬豬人 [訪問者]
蔡明耀的發言還好,我認為他是一口咬死自己的羔羊而已。
總統府發言人,講得令人氣憤,還笑得出來說:馬英九是熱血中年。

無恥阿。

投了馬英九一票,不是要讓他變成帥氣一點的陳水扁。
不然叫金城武回來當總統就好了阿~~~~~~
2008-06-13 @ 15:51
迴響 from: 阿蘇 [訪問者]
各位阿宅都想太多啦

台灣官員如果有更多像我的聰明人

就故意喬裝成五星漁船去日本挑釁

如果能挑起中日戰爭, 台灣多爽啊 !!

啊 007 那部片沒看嗎 ? 什麼明日不死的

英國跟中國差點打起來那部片...

至於片中的傳媒大亨, 可以找水果日報老闆啊 !

科科科 ~~~~
2008-06-13 @ 15:51
迴響 from: 豬豬人 [訪問者]
昨天看大話新聞,倒是很有趣阿~
所有的人都開口閉口講中華民國了。
啥鬼的離島保衛戰也通通拿出來講了。
李濤那邊反而變謹慎了。
ㄎㄎ,演技都很不錯,加分!

聽說當年本來有要空降釣魚台,特遣隊最後一刻才從飛機上拉下來。
好像也是當時的 "你等會" 說不要。
2008-06-13 @ 15:58
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 潛水夫:一整個無力,我要堵神。 [訪問者]
妳懂的...妳一定懂的...
他對妳的心意,妳怎麼可能會不知道,不要再欺騙自己了。


靠,朱大在這憂國憂民,我在跟妳演瓊瑤。(自爆)
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To 潛水夫
所以我哈拉完下面就拉回正題了嘛 (煙)
這樣才不會被加入黑名單
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迴響來自: 正咩...??? 朱大會不會把我們幾個加入黑名單?XD [訪問者]

怪了...
為什麼大家都要把我推給宅...

為什麼?!
為什麼?!
為什麼?!
為什麼?!
為什麼?!
為什麼?!

為~~~~~~~~~~什~~~~~~~~~~麼~~~~~~~~~~~

非常小聲的說....又不是我的菜...囧
--------------------------------------------------------
To 正咩

偶爾要嘗試一點新鮮的東西 世界才會更開闊啊 (誤)
2008-06-13 @ 16:02
迴響 from: 豬豬人 [訪問者]
記者林弘展分析報導
其實,綜觀近20年來,台灣在保釣政策執行上,還是有幾次想要動用軍隊維護主權爭議問題。

最有具體的軍事行動是在1990年,當時因日本要將釣魚台群島規畫在聖火路線內,引起中港澳台反彈,當時保釣運動引起台日關係高度緊張,國防部為了因應當時局勢,特別密令當時的陸軍空降特戰第62旅(後改為陸軍特戰第862旅、目前改編制為陸軍特戰指揮部)旅長薛石民少將(後擔任過國安局局長、陸軍二級上將)挑選45位特戰精英,以代號「漢疆演習」名義進行強行空降釣魚台的軍事行動。

據悉,當初軍方挑選當時剛完成基地訓練,全旅成績第一,戰力處於最高峰狀態的陸軍第62旅步四營45連中的45位官兵進行特種任務集訓,每人簽下「自願切結、遺書、保密規定」,所有成員均採集體行動,禁止對外連絡,連軍用電話也不可以接,有幾位官兵因為處於失聯狀態,女友找不到人之後,女友變心離開。

至於當時的登島作戰想定是,區分45位官兵為指揮、攻堅、支援、爆破、火力、通訊等多組,由直升機載到島上後,要在15分鐘內,將水泥砌成的實心小燈塔炸掉,再於島上插上國旗再迅速離開。沙盤推演甚至包括他們的直升機還未飛到釣魚台就被日艦或日機擊落,那陸戰隊要增援上島,海軍和空軍都要進入開火壓制。

但事後,此一演習被當時總統李登輝否決,外界如果知道的話,當時軍方勢力很龐大,郝家軍的勢力讓李登輝很難掌控,但李登輝當時否決此一軍事行動,軍方高層只認為李登輝不想破壞台日和平,但沒想到,之後李登輝竟講出,「釣魚台是日本的」談話,當時參與此行動的軍方人士才知道,李登輝不對釣魚台主權爭議採取軍事行動是事出有因的。

在1990年登島不成後,到了2005年6月21日,還出現一個保釣護漁秀的活動,當時因為台灣漁船被日艦驅趕,在藍軍立委的提案下,要求國防部派軍艦護漁,當時立法院長王金平就找了國防部長李傑與媒體記者搭乘鳳陽軍艦往東北角外海一日遊,算是聊表護漁,但並未侵犯到日方劃定所謂釣魚台群島的紅線。

據調查,在此一護漁秀行動之後,日方對釣魚台群島的保護更加積極,在護漁秀後約半年,日本於2006年1月初首次派長崎縣佐世保市125名陸上自衛隊成員,到加州聖地牙哥與美國海軍陸戰隊一起受訓。包括學習在有可能被佔據的偏遠島嶼搶灘登陸、情報蒐集等。自衛隊也將學習偵察泳術,及在複雜情況下的陸上作戰部署。

這個海外訓練是為加強日本在南方偏遠島嶼包括釣魚島和石垣島等的防衛。「針對外國軍隊『侵略』沖繩縣尖閣諸島(釣魚台)和石垣島的假設,防衛廳和自衛隊採取加強防衛姿態。」

此外,2006年11月,美國與日本在硫磺島附近進行聯合軍事演習,在眾多演習劇本中,曾以假想釣魚台群島遭中方以武力進犯時該如何奪回群島。

跡象顯示,日本當局對於釣魚台群島已列為一級防護區域,任何想要侵擾該海空域的機艦船,都會被視為侵犯日本國土與領域。因此現在談保釣,就算當年保釣最力的馬團隊,都得評算對釣魚台主權爭議的冷處理,是否會比貿然出手的代價來得有政治智慧。
2008-06-13 @ 16:03
迴響 from: 阿彭-態度決定一切 [訪問者]
行政院長說:不惜開戰
http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/080613/17/116ek.htm

這算是政治操作的一種嗎?
2008-06-13 @ 16:04
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 正咩...??? 朱大會不會把我們幾個加入黑名單?XD [訪問者]
迴響來自: 潛水夫:一整個無力,我要堵神。 [訪問者]
更小聲的說,因為妳是他的菜。
2008-06-13 @ 15:11

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超小聲的說:我不是.......
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To 正咩
宅說:是不是我的菜我心裏有數 妳只要說我願意就好了 XDDDD
2008-06-13 @ 16:05
迴響 from: 正咩...??? [訪問者]
迴響來自: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]

宅說:是不是我的菜我心裏有數 妳只要說我願意就好了 XDDDD

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いやです....



2008-06-13 @ 16:07
迴響 from: 正咩...??? 我為我的佔版面道歉...XDD [訪問者]
迴響來自: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]

To 正咩
偶爾要嘗試一點新鮮的東西 世界才會更開闊啊 (誤)

******

我不喜歡強迫自己...XDDD
2008-06-13 @ 16:15
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephenalien
>迴響來自: 正咩...??? 朱大會不會把我們幾個加入黑名單?XD [訪問者]
>法官:屌....你個no more啦(這是客家話)
>
>↑
>.....哪裡的客家話?
>好像沒聽過....


阿災~


網友寫的

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當個綠色的外省人好痛苦......

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劉兆玄那句"不惜一戰"就如同遲浩田當初講的"寧可台灣不長草"一樣

都是嘴砲!



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話說


中年熱血可是會腦溢血的~
2008-06-13 @ 16:16
迴響 from: 感嘆 [訪問者]
對不起,我是太激動了一點
不過我是真得很生氣,這算是什麼鬼東西,台灣人真的是…..唉
而且我覺得這和誰當總統沒有關係,
你看,台灣人當過台灣總統,外省人也當台灣總統,連日本人都當過,
每一個都一個樣,只為了自己的利益在算計,難道台灣人就這麼不幸嗎?
大家其實可以想一想,馬囧現在最關心的是什麼,
就可以知道他下一步會怎麼做了
不外乎是
1.拖延時間,看大家會不忘記
2.如果越演越烈,就叫外交部繼續提出抗議,私底下找人去溝通,拜託日本趕快放人
3.如果日本人搞到他很難看,他也沒轍,只好發新聞稿說現在國家外交處境艱困,
希望大家體諒,要不然就叫外交部長下台,再重複1~3的順序
反正,現在國民黨因為綠卡和通貨膨脹已經焦頭爛額,馬囧應該也不會在乎再多一樁…..
至於所謂的”想要”動用軍隊,真是開玩笑,一堆台獨的勇夫連解放軍都敢挑戰了,你這算什麼
2008-06-13 @ 16:17
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
OK 照例拉回主題以免被朱大偷偷貓兩拳 XD

其實對於釣魚台這個東西,大家都知道它的抽像意義大於實質意義,日本大陸都知道
但是尷尬就在於,誰也不能鬆口,不然不只會落得國土保護不力,喪權辱國得名聲以外
搞不好連下一任都沒得選(大陸可能比較沒這問題)
(當然萬一那天它下面狂噴黑金時就另當別論了)

我倒是有點不一樣的想法,當然我不是國際關係或是公行、政治等本科系出身,也許會有沒顧慮到的地方
就請這邊臥虎藏宅的宅宅們多提點提點

面子這種東西是大國要的,為了面子,常常裏子可以先放一邊
台灣正好不一樣,相較於鄰近中日韓三國來說太小,太弱(不要不承認,頂天也只是跟韓國打平)
所以我們不妨先把面子放一邊,看看利用釣魚台,可以爭取到怎樣的裏子先

這個想法的大前提就是,台灣是弱的,不要老愛爭面子這兩點,要怎樣做,才能爭到裏子,
又讓國內半數以上民眾覺得,這裏子值得用面子去換
2008-06-13 @ 16:18
迴響 from: la [訪問者]
盧正潛

鬧夠了沒?
2008-06-13 @ 16:21
迴響 from: 瓜 [訪問者]
屌...你no more 不是客家話吧
粵語倒是有這句髒話

2008-06-13 @ 16:28
迴響 from: 夏夜 [訪問者]
因為美日安保絛約的限制
日本國防的艦數及飛機數量都有固定
不能超過限制數量
也不能擁有先進機種

但是日本很賊~
大家都知道日本的A片跟電子工業一樣進步
一架戰機的等級提升的關鍵就是電戰射控系統
雖然影片上的外殼是F15 F15

幹 他媽的

搞不好裡面都是變形金鋼了!
2008-06-13 @ 16:41
迴響 from: 金寶兒 [訪問者]
我也覺得葉大說的很中肯....

不過 我很好奇的是......

明明釣魚台就那麼靠近台灣

憑什麼是日本的領土?

還是說 插上哪個國家的旗子 就算哪個人的....

以我們的觀點來看,他們撞壞我們漁民的船,扣留我國國民,並不許我國的船艦前往救援,日本真是他媽的雜碎!
以日本的觀點來看,我中華民國的漁民侵入日本國的領域,又派船艦要進入日本國的領土來強行將人帶走,中華民國還真是欺人太甚

再說了....那邊是重疊海域....

誰又能主觀的說那邊是哪邊的...

把釣魚台搶下 就對了啦.....

(那邊有又不能住人...唯一的好處就是增加經濟海域吧....)


就算是這樣...................

日本的漫畫 我們一樣看
日本的卡通 我們一樣看
日本的正妹 我們一樣看
日本的正太 我們一樣看
日本的A片 我們一樣看
日本的美眉 我們一樣"X"


啊啊啊啊....挖ㄟ形象 泣....
2008-06-13 @ 16:45
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
呵呵 單純的機械變動由飛機變金鋼我相信日本一定做得出來

但是要把這一套搞到可以真正上天或是戰場運用,倒是言之過早了

就算小日本不怕摔成肉餅,但是摔一台上千萬美金,天曉得成功之前要摔幾千台?
2008-06-13 @ 16:46
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 正咩...??? [訪問者]
迴響來自: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]

宅說:是不是我的菜我心裏有數 妳只要說我願意就好了 XDDDD

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いやです....


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看不懂 不過猜想應該不是我願意
所以結論就是我之前講的第一個情況 宅宅簡單被KO了 XD

宅:哭哭 (畫圈圈)
2008-06-13 @ 16:50
迴響 from: 老椰子 [訪問者]
偶也是熱血中年!
.........

外蒙古是中華民國領土!南京,北平也都是!
我們堅持維護中華民國主權的決心從未改變,也絕不改變。


為了維護中華民國主權,不惜開戰!

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ㄎㄎㄎ.....荒膠啊.......
2008-06-13 @ 16:56
迴響 from: 感嘆 [訪問者]
日本和大陸只要面子?!
我認為,無論如何,面紙和李子一樣重要,有時候更重要,
為甚麼?你有沒有想過,那些燒炭自殺的人為甚麼不去當乞丐,女的為甚麼不去當流鶯,
電視上不是有講,有的乞丐一個月賺好幾十萬,他們為甚麼不去做?
因為他們沒有臉去作這種事,他們寧死也不肯!!他們寧死也要面子!!

我覺得,今天這個事情已經不是面子的問題了,
而是日本人根本不把台灣人的命當一回事,簡直是視如草芥,
故意撞船根本不管你會不會死在海裡,
而笨蛋台灣人還在討論國際法,還在考慮會不會引起國際紛爭,真是他媽的!!
回想起當初,日本跑去南極抓鯨魚,他媽的他們有甩過國際法嗎?
有考慮過國際紛爭?他媽的台灣人連自己都不認為自己比鯨魚重要!!
2008-06-13 @ 16:57
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephenalien
>迴響來自: 金寶兒 [訪問者]
>我也覺得葉大說的很中肯....
>
>不過 我很好奇的是......
>
>明明釣魚台就那麼靠近台灣
>
>憑什麼是日本的領土?
>
>還是說 插上哪


依您的論點

中共也會說:

金門馬祖就那麼靠近我們

怎麼會是別人的?

台灣那麼靠近我們

怎麼不是我們的?




同理

韓國更會說:

世界都最靠近我們

所以全世界是我們的



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>迴響來自: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
>呵呵 單純的機械變動由飛機變金鋼我相信日本一定做得出來
>
>但是要把這一套搞到可以真正上天或是戰場運用,倒是言之過早了
>
>就算小日本不怕摔成肉餅,但是摔一台上千萬美金,天曉得成功之前要摔幾千台?


VF-1比較有可能啦~
2008-06-13 @ 17:06
迴響 from: 紅大衛 [訪問者]
突然想到把釣魚台這岛炸掉 有沒有可行性,台灣惹不起大陸日本,通通炸掉算了
2008-06-13 @ 17:49
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephenalien
剛剛有網友找出資料



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日本取得釣魚台完全是根據國際法上的「無主地先佔」,「實效性統治行為 」取得的。

日本對釣魚台的無主地先佔歷史:

1609年,日本九州的薩摩藩派兵入侵琉球,琉球成為薩摩藩的藩屬

1872(明治五年)將琉球王國降格為日本政府所屬的琉球藩,惟仍以琉球國王為藩王

1879年日本廢止琉球藩,改設沖繩縣

1879年3月日人松井 忠兵衛編製,經日本政府內務省(相當內政部)審查通過出版的大日本全圖將釣魚台列嶼劃入日本版圖。

1879年12月,明治政府內務省地理局正式出版的「大日本府縣管轄圖」正式然將釣魚台列嶼標示為構成琉球群島之一部分,也就是公開向世界宣示日本政府佔有釣魚台的意思。

1885年明治政府內務卿(內政部長)山縣有朋,以公文書「沖繩縣與清國福州之間散在之無人島久米 赤島外二島調查之儀」,命令沖繩縣令西村捨三勘查釣魚台。經數次調查確認釣魚台上面毫無界碑,官廳或居民等清朝統治的跡象認定為無主之地

1895年1月14日的日本內閣會議決定「內務大臣請議,位於沖繩縣下八重山 群島西北,稱久場島、 魚釣島等無人島,認應為沖繩縣所轄, 在許可該縣知事之申請,建設標杭」正式將釣魚台劃入琉球 所轄之日本領土之內。
B:日本政府對釣魚台實效性統治行為 :

1902年(明治35年),沖繩縣臨時土地整理事務局對釣魚台列嶼實施實地測量,製作各島的正確縮尺圖。

1915、1917年日本海軍水路部,1931年沖繩營林署對釣魚台進行測量工作,

日本農林省資源調查團赴該列嶼勘查,

日本氣象局在釣魚台建設測候所。

以上事實均可證明日本政府已經對釣魚台列嶼進行實效性統治。

最重要的是1896年8月,日本政府內務省以免除使用費,期限30年為條件,核准將釣魚島(日方稱魚釣 島)和黃尾嶼(日方稱久場島)租借給古賀辰四郎。古賀辰四郎在釣魚台建造小型碼頭、海產加工工廠、 宿舍等建築物,並種植芭蕉、甘蔗、甘藷等 農作物,1909年向內務省報告移民有90戶,共248人, 開墾面積有六十多畝!現在釣魚島上仍有古賀家族的遺跡.

1918年(大正七年)古賀辰四郎在釣魚台的事業,由其次子 古賀善次繼承。

1926年(昭和元年)無償租借期滿,古賀善次開始向日本政府繳納租金。

1932年,古賀善次再向日本 政府申請購買售已列入日本政府國有土地的釣魚台島、黃尾嶼、南小島、北小島等四島,該四島乃成為古賀善次的私有地,古賀善次依照日本政府的土地稅法,每年向日本政府繳納土地稅。

看了上面的事實,大家應該才恍然大悟原來釣魚台根本不是無人島,日本人早就在上面住了兩代!國際上除了中華人民共和國、中華民國(台灣?),誰還會對釣魚台是日本固有領土有意見?

還是要怪到一百多年清庭腐敗呀?

B:最重要的是,中國和台灣從來沒有對日本取得釣魚台有任何異議.尤有甚者,中國和台灣還在不少官方文件上公開承認釣魚台是日本領土:

1920年中華民國發行之感謝狀,中國駐日本領事公開稱日本帝國沖繩縣八重山郡尖格列島

[IMG]http://www.geocities.jp/tanaka_kunitaka/senkaku/testimonial1920.jpg[/IMG]
(這很汗顏……)

1953年1月8日中共人民日報,在刊載的琉球群島人民反對美國占領的鬥爭」專文中清楚的寫著(琉群島包括尖閣諸島」

1958年11月,北京地圖出版社編輯部編印的地圖「日本之部」,將釣魚台劃入日本領土之內。

1965年10月,由台灣國防研究院與中國地理學研究所合編出版的世界地圖集第一冊東亞諸國中,將釣魚台列嶼畫為日本領土寫成日本名( 尖閣群島)

1965年11月,台灣省政府編印之「台灣省地方自治誌要」將台灣省極北界定為彭佳嶼。

1968年10月印行的「中華民國年鑑」也以台灣極北為彭佳嶼,極東為綿花嶼。

1970以前,國立編譯館編印之國民中學地理教科書將釣魚台劃入日本領土,名稱也使用日方使用的尖閣群島.

[IMG]http://www004.upp.so-net.ne.jp/teikoku-denmo/graphics/map/senkaku_map2.gif[/IMG]

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以上資料很明顯看出近100年,中國(清朝、中華民國、中華人民共和國)從來沒有向釣魚台進行過任何有效的官方實質統治行為 。甚至於連宣稱釣魚台是中國領土這麼基本的事都沒幹過,根本忘了世界上還有釣魚台這個地方,一直 到一九六九年五月,聯合國遠東經濟委員會發表探勘調查結果,指出釣魚台周邊海底可能埋藏大量石油及天然氣之後才開始突然主張釣魚台是中國(中華民國、中華人民共和國)固有領土。
(本文章來自鐵之狂傲遊戲網 http://www.gamez.com.tw/,文章連結:http://www.gamez.com.tw/viewthread.php?tid=461400)
2008-06-13 @ 18:24
迴響 from: 感嘆 [訪問者]
沒錯
真的是只能怪自己的祖先不爭氣
害後代子孫的船被撞沉,
人被扣押,丟臉丟到家
2008-06-13 @ 18:37
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
朱大您好

我想表達的是,今天如果是香港的領土,誰敢跟香港爭領土?
因為香港的老大是阿共

欺善怕惡是小倭寇的本質,
也因此,目前國民黨與中共逐漸交好,在不影響政治權力的原則下,
假設阿共出來干涉,
小倭寇連氣也不會敢吭一聲~
打迷糊仗勢小日本的優勢,
我們除了加派重兵之外(自助),
更要叫國際勢力介入。

美國是不會幫忙的~
民進黨的別傻了!
馬英九也別孬了!
2008-06-13 @ 18:37
迴響 from: Sampkao [訪問者]
話說,政府幹嘛不聯合大陸南韓與羅剎,搞一個「鎖陽」安保條約之類的玩意,再現法國大預言家諾斯特拉達姆士所說:蒼鷹雄獅以及月亮,共擊太陽的預言…

我在說啥…
2008-06-13 @ 19:12
迴響 from: 仙山居士 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/ozasik
>紅大衛
你要不要先把自己腦袋炸了再來?
2008-06-13 @ 19:23
迴響 from: 正咩 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]

看不懂 不過猜想應該不是我願意
所以結論就是我之前講的第一個情況 宅宅簡單被KO了 XD

宅:哭哭 (畫圈圈)

*****

我說啊...
搞不好人家只是想要耍個嘴皮子...

只是沒想到那句話從他口中說出來...
會是這麼令人震撼而已...

XDDDDD

2008-06-13 @ 19:26
迴響 from: 正咩...??? 為什麼上一篇少了點點點跟問號? = = [訪問者]

啊..!!
如果今天晚上睡不著..
一起來聽中廣每天凌晨12點的..
Midnight You And Me

笑死!!
大家都不用睡了...

2008-06-13 @ 19:34
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
這就是我說的,能不能放下面子,去想想怎樣去爭裏子,當然沒有人會認為自己不如鯨魚
我們都聽過日本濫補鯨魚,濫殺海豚,國際罵到不行,那又怎樣? 日本人來個不聞不問
被問急了,回了句,漁民也要生活堵大家的口,他跟本不在乎面子,只管國內的裏子
再舉,南京事件日本多年來掩飾、失憶,淡化、選擇性疑忘的事少做了嗎? 也沒被國際間少罵吧
他有在乎過嗎? 還不是不痛不癢,他們只在乎國民對自己政府的觀感而已,這也算顧裏子吧
大陸也一樣,從以前的達賴,六四,到西藏暴動,也只有看到逼近奧運時有稍稍收斂了些
人權的問題一樣被國際罵了那麼多年 他們有因為被罵而改變做法嗎?

大家都知道,弱國無外交,如果夠強,誰不想裏子面子一起抓,那多威啊
但是事實是我們現在不夠強,而且離強還差很大段距離,我們有部份點很強,連成線也還不錯,
但是不足以構成一整個強的面,這就是我們的現況,認清事實是第一步,
唯有這樣才有機會往更強的地步邁進

我也想像朱大說像個男子漢(握拳),很血性的說,老子跟日本幹上了,把陽字艦調過去撞他們(這句是我說的)
開戰就開戰吧!誰怕誰啊,正港的臺灣人是什麼都不怕的啦,向前行吧!
但是能嗎? 能不想想後果嗎? 我們真的能像三百壯士一樣高喊著這就是斯巴達,然後不顧後面的老弱婦儒嗎?
我們可以不管政客的爭權奪利,不用在乎下一次能不能當選
但是我們總有馬子爸媽兄弟姐妹要顧吧!就算是宅宅們,總有高樹女神的片子要抱著跑吧(雖然她真的不是我的菜)

換個角度想,如果能夠放下身段,不管面子,將來變強了,誰管你當年當過乞丐? 誰在乎你當年為了賺錢寬衣解帶?
搞不好還有人幫你出書歌功頌德呢

現在台灣去保釣,就好像小孩子跟兩個大人爭地盤,沒人把台灣放在眼裏,頂多說其中有個心機比較重會過來踹你兩腳
放掉這一個包伏,或者不甘心放,那至少不要在這塊強出頭,保持現狀就好,反正在它噴黑金之前不會有人有大動作的
然後去找其它的方法來爭裏子,讓自己變強,金庸雖然不怎樣,但是寫的小說還是挺不錯的,天龍中的珍瓏琪局
不就跟現在情況很像,不捨就是往死胡同鑽,捨了是一片海闊天空,這是人性問題,也是最難做到的
就跟股市應該買低殺高一樣,沒幾個做得到,不然大家都是巴菲特了

晚了 下班回家去也~

正咩,宅宅今天沒說要送妳回家嗎? XDDD 真是沒有打鐵趁熱啊

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迴響來自: 正咩 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]

看不懂 不過猜想應該不是我願意
所以結論就是我之前講的第一個情況 宅宅簡單被KO了 XD

宅:哭哭 (畫圈圈)

*****

我說啊...
搞不好人家只是想要耍個嘴皮子...

只是沒想到那句話從他口中說出來...
會是這麼令人震撼而已...

XDDDDD

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話雖如此,某人看起來就是滿心一個爽的感覺啊 XDDDDDDD
2008-06-13 @ 19:50
迴響 from: 正咩...??? [訪問者]
迴響來自: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]

正咩,宅宅今天沒說要送妳回家嗎? XDDD 真是沒有打鐵趁熱啊
話雖如此,某人看起來就是滿心一個爽的感覺啊 XDDDDDDD

****

我是一個很準時下班的上班族...
為了能準時下班..
我一向是〝獨來獨往〞
XDDD

關於第二句...
〝某人〞是誰?

我沒有喔....(揮手、揮手)
2008-06-13 @ 19:56
迴響 from: 路過的 [訪問者]
外交黑機關喪權辱國~~~該死

小日本惡意撞船枉顧人命~~~該死

2008-06-13 @ 21:33
迴響 from: mouth [訪問者]
X他媽的官僚腦袋都是裝渣
蔡公明耀,當下做決定的時候我想可能還沾沾自喜
替國家省了一場國際紛爭
腦殘到他媽的極點

當然腦殘的政府和官員也不是一天造成的
老實說,我國人民的民氣氛圍,也是造成這些官員的腦殘病因
朱大號召一下,大家上街頭踏踏青也不錯

最近僅次於綠卡立委讓我更不爽的新聞
2008-06-13 @ 22:10
迴響 from: 孝女白琴 [訪問者]
恩~~~~~現在的中廣真的不錯聽

每天必聽~~~7點到10點人來瘋也很好
2008-06-13 @ 22:25
迴響 from: 鄉民roger [訪問者]
蔡執行長搞不好是這樣想的:
「是要退讓一步,大家好說話;還是要弄得情勢緊張,不惜發生戰爭,讓兩千三百萬的民眾流離失所呢?」
我相信他的出發點是善意的

(我會被貼上藍蛆的標籤嗎?)
2008-06-13 @ 22:47
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
答案很簡單,你看蔡執行長有沒有種出來說完全是善意的呀!

.....我問也不問就讓海巡和星艦後退完全是為了大家好呀......

Lucifer

他敢這樣講,台灣就有救啦!
2008-06-13 @ 23:03
迴響 from: 我自閉 [訪問者]
基本上,除非是擦槍走火,不然是不會打起來的。(當然擦槍不但會走火也會射X)
雙方政府都承擔不起這個後果,即使被迫還擊的那一方也是一樣。

所以不用去思考雙方的軍力如何,因為不會打起來的。
軍事是政治的延伸,軍事力通常是用來增加談判的籌碼的,就像核武只是作為恐怖平衡的武器一樣。

若摒除特別的情況,通常會動武有幾個原因:
1. 要轉移國內注意力的時候,例如美國對利比亞發射戰斧洲際飛彈,"射進人家的國內裡面"(不知道這符不符合"中出"的定義)
(馬政府或許可以考慮用這個方法轉移國內對於經濟的失望情緒,但是好像效益不大,可能會損失更多)
2. 爭奪資源,例如以前19世紀的時候為殖民地出兵或是美國為了石油與在中東的影響力對伊拉克出兵
3. 等等....(事實上是懶得想)

我們目前的狀況比較像是爭奪資源,爭得不是那幾塊島,而是那幾塊島嶼所延伸出的精液海域,
ㄟ ,應該是經濟海域,若不去爭取,則在日後的漁業談判就沒有籌碼跟別人談,因為我們已經
放棄該處附近的權利,我們能爭取到的將是日方施捨給我們的,且重要的是"該處附近"已經是
門口了,從蘇澳港出去,一不小心就進入了。

今天我們必須要爭奪石油資源及漁業資源,若今天不跟日本嗆聲,那麼我們的政府是失職的,
因為他們必須為本國國民獲得最大的利益,若要給善意,則必須是為了能得到利益的前提下進行。
這個不是我說的,而是大家都已經在做的事,看看美國的所作所為就能很清楚的瞭解。

2008-06-13 @ 23:26
迴響 from: 我自閉 [訪問者]
看到這個新聞時,突然想起兩位人物,一位是蔡公時,另一位是李登輝。
2008-06-13 @ 23:35
迴響 from: martian [訪問者]
迴響來自: 潛水夫:一整個無力,我要堵神。 [訪問者]
農友兄:
你就用力的抓吧,然後再Share出來,我再從你那兒抓,一起來讓日本經濟蕭條。偶老婆不准偶養動物。

大人~
所以意思是...
因為你要幫太后照顧她養的動物,所以你自己不能養動物呀?
不是嗎?

PS~
這裡沒有人關心T 的進展???


再PS~
阿宅有什麼不好??
我個人很喜歡阿宅呀!
(不過阿宅都不敢靠近我就是了! 這可能代表,阿宅的嗅覺不錯~可以聞到"死亡"的氣息~)
ㄎㄎㄎ~
2008-06-13 @ 23:43
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
大家都好認真~好認真喔~(拍手)
2008-06-14 @ 00:04
迴響 from: vxa [訪問者] · http://vxarx.blogspot.com/
我現在真的深深有種投錯票的感覺...
可是假如時光倒流...投給另一邊的話...
老天爺啊~~~可不可以出現第三組人馬讓我選啊~嗚嗚嗚嗚~
2008-06-14 @ 00:50
迴響 from: Shuyi [訪問者]
Completely agree with 豬豬人 --

>> 總統府發言人,講得令人氣憤,還笑得出來說:馬英九是熱血中年。無恥阿。

>> 投了馬英九一票,不是要讓他變成帥氣一點的陳水扁。不然叫金城武回來當總統就好了阿~~~~~~


It's very disappointing to witness how presidential office handles this instance.
2008-06-14 @ 01:18
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
要乖一點啊~不可以搗蛋!!!(噓。小聲~)
2008-06-14 @ 01:38
迴響 from: 肉絲馬力 [訪問者]
我其實是一個很有氣質的姐姐,從不亂罵髒話。但是今天........
媽了個剉冰的什麼狗官!喪權辱國的王八蛋!
還有,是他媽的哪個腦殘王八蛋還有心情哈哈笑?!煩請朱大發張吃屎卡,再給張馬上打到地下室優惠券一張!
暗!老子從今天起拒用日貨!
2008-06-14 @ 01:46
迴響 from: 豬豬人 [訪問者]
小學生總統
背黑鍋官員
打嘴砲院長
喊燒大立委
無辜老百姓

台灣的現況,難道變成另一種阿扁魔咒?
持續八年?

2008-06-14 @ 01:51
迴響 from: 豬豬人 [訪問者]
拒用日貨更顯出政府無能的悲哀~
日本也不會怕,不然中國早就無敵了。

我們跟中國,拒用日貨誰效果比較大?
2008-06-14 @ 01:54
迴響 from: ゅ魚 [訪問者]
最近聽到了一個最新的藉口(?)理由(?)

昨天晚上吃晚餐的時候
我:「馬上跌(看著新聞)」
甲:「馬上沉(看著新聞)」
我:「馬上漲(看著新聞)」
甲:「馬上哭哭~」
我:「…………」
乙:「才上任一個月」(突然冒出)

所以我決定再觀望一陣子...
不過這個月的負面新聞還真是不少,真是禁不起考驗阿~

千萬要保住我們的釣魚台阿~
我從小就很喜歡這個地方(純粹因為喜歡它的名字= =)
而且我記得當時地理課說它極東沒錯阿!!
還我釣魚臺!!!!!!!!

若是真的槓上了~
雖然不會有戰爭的行為
不過在經濟方面難免會有動作的!!
雖然感覺這個新聞應該一下就會被沖淡了
不過這個問題已經存在不知多久了
有能力的話,馬冏就快把它解決了吧!!
但我認為應該不可能...= ="
2008-06-14 @ 02:23
迴響 from: 我換了兩個id可是以後都會用pat [訪問者]
迴響來自: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephenalien
剛剛有網友找出資料



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日本取得釣魚台完全是根據國際法上的「無主地先佔」,「實效性統治行為 」取得的。

日本對釣魚台的無主地先佔歷史:

1609年,日本九州的薩摩藩派兵入侵琉球,琉球成為薩摩藩的藩屬

1872(明治五年)將琉球王國降格為日本政府所屬的琉球藩,惟仍以琉球國王為藩王

1879年日本廢止琉球藩,改設沖繩縣

1879年3月日人松井 忠兵衛編製,經日本政府內務省(相當內政部)審查通過出版的大日本全圖將釣魚台列嶼劃入日本版圖。

1879年12月,明治政府內務省地理局正式出版的「大日本府縣管轄圖」正式然將釣魚台列嶼標示為構成琉球群島之一部分,也就是公開向世界宣示日本政府佔有釣魚台的意思。

1885年明治政府內務卿(內政部長)山縣有朋,以公文書「沖繩縣與清國福州之間散在之無人島久米 赤島外二島調查之儀」,命令沖繩縣令西村捨三勘查釣魚台。經數次調查確認釣魚台上面毫無界碑,官廳或居民等清朝統治的跡象認定為無主之地

1895年1月14日的日本內閣會議決定「內務大臣請議,位於沖繩縣下八重山 群島西北,稱久場島、 魚釣島等無人島,認應為沖繩縣所轄, 在許可該縣知事之申請,建設標杭」正式將釣魚台劃入琉球 所轄之日本領土之內。
B:日本政府對釣魚台實效性統治行為 :

1902年(明治35年),沖繩縣臨時土地整理事務局對釣魚台列嶼實施實地測量,製作各島的正確縮尺圖。

1915、1917年日本海軍水路部,1931年沖繩營林署對釣魚台進行測量工作,

日本農林省資源調查團赴該列嶼勘查,

日本氣象局在釣魚台建設測候所。

以上事實均可證明日本政府已經對釣魚台列嶼進行實效性統治。

最重要的是1896年8月,日本政府內務省以免除使用費,期限30年為條件,核准將釣魚島(日方稱魚釣 島)和黃尾嶼(日方稱久場島)租借給古賀辰四郎。古賀辰四郎在釣魚台建造小型碼頭、海產加工工廠、 宿舍等建築物,並種植芭蕉、甘蔗、甘藷等 農作物,1909年向內務省報告移民有90戶,共248人, 開墾面積有六十多畝!現在釣魚島上仍有古賀家族的遺跡.

1918年(大正七年)古賀辰四郎在釣魚台的事業,由其次子 古賀善次繼承。

1926年(昭和元年)無償租借期滿,古賀善次開始向日本政府繳納租金。

1932年,古賀善次再向日本 政府申請購買售已列入日本政府國有土地的釣魚台島、黃尾嶼、南小島、北小島等四島,該四島乃成為古賀善次的私有地,古賀善次依照日本政府的土地稅法,每年向日本政府繳納土地稅。

看了上面的事實,大家應該才恍然大悟原來釣魚台根本不是無人島,日本人早就在上面住了兩代!國際上除了中華人民共和國、中華民國(台灣?),誰還會對釣魚台是日本固有領土有意見?

還是要怪到一百多年清庭腐敗呀?

B:最重要的是,中國和台灣從來沒有對日本取得釣魚台有任何異議.尤有甚者,中國和台灣還在不少官方文件上公開承認釣魚台是日本領土:

1920年中華民國發行之感謝狀,中國駐日本領事公開稱日本帝國沖繩縣八重山郡尖格列島

[IMG]http://www.geocities.jp/tanaka_kunitaka/senkaku/testimonial1920.jpg[/IMG]
(這很汗顏……)

1953年1月8日中共人民日報,在刊載的琉球群島人民反對美國占領的鬥爭」專文中清楚的寫著(琉群島包括尖閣諸島」

1958年11月,北京地圖出版社編輯部編印的地圖「日本之部」,將釣魚台劃入日本領土之內。

1965年10月,由台灣國防研究院與中國地理學研究所合編出版的世界地圖集第一冊東亞諸國中,將釣魚台列嶼畫為日本領土寫成日本名( 尖閣群島)

1965年11月,台灣省政府編印之「台灣省地方自治誌要」將台灣省極北界定為彭佳嶼。

1968年10月印行的「中華民國年鑑」也以台灣極北為彭佳嶼,極東為綿花嶼。

1970以前,國立編譯館編印之國民中學地理教科書將釣魚台劃入日本領土,名稱也使用日方使用的尖閣群島.

[IMG]http://www004.upp.so-net.ne.jp/teikoku-denmo/graphics/map/senkaku_map2.gif[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.geocities.jp/tanaka_kunitaka/senkaku/text1970.gif[/IMG]


以上資料很明顯看出近100年,中國(清朝、中華民國、中華人民共和國)從來沒有向釣魚台進行過任何有效的官方實質統治行為 。甚至於連宣稱釣魚台是中國領土這麼基本的事都沒幹過,根本忘了世界上還有釣魚台這個地方,一直 到一九六九年五月,聯合國遠東經濟委員會發表探勘調查結果,指出釣魚台周邊海底可能埋藏大量石油及天然氣之後才開始突然主張釣魚台是中國(中華民國、中華人民共和國)固有領土。
(本文章來自鐵之狂傲遊戲網 http://www.gamez.com.tw/,文章連結:http://www.gamez.com.tw/viewthread.php?tid=461400)

2008-06-13 @ 18:24




-----分隔線縣縣縣------(有點短我懶得弄長)


聽說人類得起源地是非洲
非洲人應該是最早跑來跑去的人種
那根據國際法是不是全世界都應該歸非洲?
2008-06-14 @ 02:28
迴響 from: ゅ魚 [訪問者]
釣魚台自明代即為中國的領土,並被當作與域外的分界點,然降至近代,因清政府的昏聵和甲午戰敗,在割讓台灣的遮掩下,竟遭日本偷偷地摸走,二次大戰後,原本應該依法歸還中國的,卻又變成是美國作梗,1972年被美國拿去當利用日本牽制中國的祭品,於是再次被日本佔據迄今…

以上節錄至奇摩知識+

還有很多資料,各位可以自行上網查詢,因為相關知識背景不夠,沒辦法確定資料來源是否正確0.0"
2008-06-14 @ 02:54
迴響 from: Blue [訪問者]
扯這麼遠?

重點是我們的國民要不要救回來?
日本撞沉我們的船有無理由?
就算是我們今天是開船開到日本島也沒有理由啊!!還要賠償?
他今天最多是"扣留"我們而已,又沒有明顯的暴力行為,擊沉我們的行為位階算是提升到"戰爭"了耶~
還一堆人在那邊扯五四三,釣魚台要是能這樣扯出主權來,早就塵埃落定了,還爭個屁,重點是人啊!!那十六個人就是十六個家庭耶!!
2008-06-14 @ 04:00
迴響 from: 簡單 [訪問者]
這件事一點都不複雜!

以"日本"的心態而言:
有小偷闖進我家,即使置對方於死地也要把他趕出去。
以"台灣"心態而言:
我家小孩當小偷快被主人打死了,不計後果我也要馬上把他救出來。

這是捍衛自己家人與家園的基本覺悟!
即便把以上說法中的台灣與日本對調填空,也不會影響這種說法,這不是真理是啥?
打不打得贏,應不應該,是非對錯在此真理下沒啥值得討論的地方。
如果把人民當自家人就應該以此心態面對,如果把釣魚台當成自己的國家領土就該學日本處理的方式(雖然大家狗幹日本人,但我覺得捍衛釣魚台這件事日本值得台灣學習),但是令人氣憤的是,把台灣填進以上的填空題目前就準備得零分。
2008-06-14 @ 05:07
迴響 from: 鄉民roger [訪問者]
有人反串失敗了啦
既然是「很有氣質的姊姊」,怎麼自稱還會是「老子」呢?

另外
抵制日貨應該沒有必要
日本政府做錯了事不需要全日本人統統一起賠罪
2008-06-14 @ 06:12
迴響 from: 悠久之町 [訪問者]
在這邊有一點意見 我想前面可能已經有人說過了
朱先生可能是被愛國心沖昏頭,居然用日本的自衛隊來跟我們海巡比,相對的因該是海上保安廳
我想,媒體也要背負著很大的責任,一直拿海自來說明,給了大家錯誤的觀念
海自沒必要,也沒需要為了這種事情出面,除非我們的海軍主動發起攻擊
但這不是給了海自一個出師有名的機會呢?
兵者,國之大事。孫子兵法中簡單六字,有多少人體會
媒體、立委為了搏版面輕易說出這樣的話,很不負責任,國、民兩黨之前的執政,對日本長期的姑息,導致現在我們沒有人敢跟日本具體力爭,上一次我們被日本欺負不是很久之前的事,大家都知道之前某執政黨一直是親日,就淡淡的讓這問題過去。
台灣的人民長久缺乏國際觀,只因為政黨惡鬥和媒體亂序讓大家只看到一些拿著大多數人民納歲人錢的豬在那邊咬來咬去(我是職軍,不用納稅@@),對外交事務也只會關心誰a了我們多少錢
我討厭政府的無能、討厭國軍的無力、但是我更痛恨那些說出不惜一戰或是以此大作文章的人
戰爭不是兒戲,有沒有想過會發生哪些事
台灣先發動佔領的動作、海軍和海上保安廳第一次衝突、自衛隊介入、海空大戰、我國海空軍辛辛苦苦建立的戰力被消耗掉、自衛隊主動防禦、空襲及封鎖台灣北部港口機場等等
戰爭,只是政治家把自己該揹負的責任丟給軍人而已,戰爭是政治的延續,老話一句
總統大選時有誰關心過釣魚台、有誰關心過日本一直都是如此對待台灣
在我眼中,現在只是一窩蜂被媒體操弄,時間過了也就算了
日本也知道,所以冷冷的對待,海自,不用了,海保出來應付一下就好
這代表的是台灣教育、外交、國民意識出很大的問題!
多話了,請多見諒
2008-06-14 @ 07:35
迴響 from: 我宅...Orz [訪問者]
要是過個十年,溫室效應下海面上升,把這4.5km^2的釣魚台島淹了。那到時侯還能爭個屄?
這算解決爭議問題的方法嗎?
2008-06-14 @ 08:33
迴響 from: Noven [訪問者]
只覺得政府說話要自重一點,開戰這種話,不是說給國內的人自high而已吧?
2008-06-14 @ 08:46
迴響 from: Colin [訪問者]
TO:悠久之町

就因為我們國家不如人
所以你就允許日本人對你家人姦淫擄掠了嗎?
2008-06-14 @ 08:50
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
一個國家的政府體系和軍隊不就是為了捍衛人民權益而存在的?

上面還有擔任軍人的傢伙大喇喇的說「但這不是給了海自一個出師有名的機會呢?」 今天師出無名,你該保護的漁船都被人家撞沈了,你還在那邊擔心「我國海空軍辛辛苦苦建立的戰力被消耗掉」?


老子從來沒說過什麼不惜一戰,但是看到這種他媽的軟腳軍人還有資格指責國民就更覺得大概這種傢伙連日本當地的飆車族都打不過了,還談什麼捍衛主權?

那以後每次要捍衛主權的時候我們就請國防部發言人來說服國民說,「這樣很浪費我國軍隊資源」,大家一定都同意不要演習、不要有部隊,國軍通通都去割草吧!

Lucifer

這代表的不是台灣教育、外交、國民意識出現問題,而是你這個軍人所受的忠誠教育有很大的問題。 當了軍人卻沒有為國民犧牲的自覺,你以為自己為什麼有各種優待和補助?這就是國民對你們自願犧牲站在第一線的敬重!

今天你可以覺得軍方的資源凌駕漁民權益,明天你是不是就可以為了保住自己一條小命而臨陣脫逃?

看看那個一輩子討海,乖乖繳稅,現在連吃飯的傢伙都被別國的人撞爛了的船長,回去摸摸你的良心看看你還有沒有資格享受這些軍人的優待吧。



2008-06-14 @ 09:21
迴響 from: 熱血中年 [訪問者]
一整個不懂
為什麼有人就是搞不懂

這樣說好了
我跟我家北邊的鄰居花園有一塊地產權不清楚
吵這件事吵了幾十年了
上法院 協調會開了兩百次了
就是沒結果
前幾天我家三歲小鬼在那塊地上騎三輪車
鄰居18歲的兒子說他侵入他家
把我家小鬼打了一頓
三輪車也被打的稀巴爛
還把我家小鬼抓回家關了幾天說要問清楚為什麼跟他家兒子起衝突

就算北邊的鄰居是土財主
有錢有勢又有一堆壯兒子
你他媽的就最好是跟你兒子解釋裡子 面子 國際外交....


2008-06-14 @ 10:08
迴響 from: HNZ [訪問者]
TO "簡單":
從台灣的觀點來看, 釣魚台是我們的!
所以我們是在自家果園摘水果被抓走的!
誰跟你一樣覺得是小偷阿!!!!

你~零分!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-06-14 @ 10:47
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
裂空共鳴
請問機器人(丟細挖啦)與恰吉娃娃比較重然諾
還是不惜一戰的保釣熱血青(中)年的馬英九比較重然諾
科科
三軍統帥馬總統不批只會批海巡小官員(馬英九月領80萬厚祿 海巡小官月領多少啊...)
柿子挑軟的吃-->你真的太容易被看穿了....科科

咱們ㄚ宅根本不懼戰 為何馬桶不宣戰
雖然老朽早已除役 但老朽也有馬革裹屍之志

剛剛看到新聞報導有阿宅抵制日本拒看一整個星期的A片
掯!!!這個迷途的羔羊阿宅絕對不是教主的從眾....科科
2008-06-14 @ 11:01
迴響 from: HNZ [訪問者]
To 悠久之町:
人家都到你家搶劫了~你還會考慮說~
"我跑一公里要花多少熱量~要吃多少飯才彌補的回來?"

政治是很多陰暗面沒有錯, 但是軍方裡面有比較好嗎?
我們國家雖然有這麼多軍購弊案, 但是有誰敢說我們完全不需要國防?
還是你認為軍人就是理所當然的米蟲, 別人活該辛辛苦苦繳稅讓你們吃飽飽?
很抱歉, 我就是每年乖乖繳稅的死老百姓!
如果開戰的時候, 你烙跑了, 那跟公然搶劫有什麼不一樣?
自從你加入職業軍人那一天, 你就不是個人, 你是"國家資產", 這樣說有明瞭?
當國家有難, 需要你的時候, 你就理所當然要有犧牲的準備了!
如果你沒有這樣的覺悟, 請你現在馬上把國家給你的所有資源吐出來給有需要的人, 謝謝!

p.s.你應該沒有被人搶過, 不知道那種無力感!
歹徒將刀子架在脖子上, 槍口抵著你的親人, 我希望你有一天也嘗試看看!
很抱歉, 以上經歷我曾經體驗過, 所以我敢大聲這麼說!
2008-06-14 @ 11:18
迴響 from: @fei [訪問者]
迴響來自: 朱恐龍 [成員]
當了軍人卻沒有為國民犧牲的自覺,你以為自己為什麼有各種優待和補助?這就是國民對你們自願犧牲站在第一線的敬重!

=====分隔線==========

如果少了自覺跟所謂軍人品格的認知
還以為那也只是一份員工福利跟配股(?)優厚的工作吧?!


被打 不作聲
就只是增加了以後再被打的可能

2008-06-14 @ 11:22
迴響 from: 鄉民roger [訪問者]
題外話:
「日本北部規模7強震襲擊 東京建築搖晃」http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/080614/16/11884.html

我光是看到標題就敢肯定「高興」指數一定最高
若有鄉民在ptt那邊po文
一定有人會推「爽!!!」「日本得到報應了吧」等之類的推文
2008-06-14 @ 11:32
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
不過這裡沒有呀。

Lucifer
2008-06-14 @ 11:36
迴響 from: oskar---抽中書了 感謝各位 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephenalien
剛剛有網友找出資料
=======================================
日本取得釣魚台完全是根據國際法上的「無主地先佔」,「實效性統治行為 」取得的。

請問這跟我國漁船被日本軍艦撞沉的關係是在於???
日本是不能行使集團武力的國家 這是寫在他們憲法上的條文
我國國民被他國軍隊施暴
我們是應該先救援她們
還是當怪她們侵入他國領土,以致於被他國軍隊攻擊,是代表她們活該???

我覺得更妙的是,有人去考據支持這些被撞漁船的單位曾經作過的事情之後
就開始扣人家紅帽子
擺出"釣魚台根本就是日本人的,你要跑去人家家裡放肆的中國同路人漁船,我為什麼要救你???你活該!"

原文如下 http://blog.roodo.com/weichen/archives/6170055.html

昨日跑去抗議釣魚台的團體,究竟是什麼貨色呢?

2003年2月,「漁民勞動人權協會」與「全球保釣行動會」、「中國統一聯盟」、「臺灣反帝學生組織」、「夏潮聯合會」等中國在台外圍組織,共同連署「反對美英侵略伊拉克戰爭聯合聲明」。

2003年,「漁民勞動人權協會」參加反軍購八一九遊行。

2004年12月底,「漁民勞動人權協會」參與「移民/移住人權修法聯盟」的連署,不實控訴政府將外籍與大陸配偶預設成罪犯。

2005年,高舉「反對美日安保條約」標語,要求政府護漁。

當這種貨色,或是某些把中國看的比台灣重要的親中政客,一直煽動政府對日動武,到底是什麼心態,應該很清楚了吧!

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然後我的回文被送了一句

"板主:你可以加強中文程度跟表達能力嗎?"

科科!! [我怎麼想起魚夫了]
2008-06-14 @ 11:42
迴響 from: HNZ [訪問者]
TO 老宅男:
恰吉娃娃比較重然諾~可是他又沒出來選總統?...很跳躍式思考喔?

話說...謝長廷也沒乖乖在家閒著阿...還不是搞了一個"影子政府"...
退出政治?...一個字...."屁"!!!!!!!!

p.s.如果金城武出來選總統...說不定會考慮選他~哈!
2008-06-14 @ 11:58
迴響 from: 路過的 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 朱恐龍 [成員]
當了軍人卻沒有為國民犧牲的自覺,你以為自己為什麼有各種優待和補助?這就是國民對你們自願犧牲站在第一線的敬重!

推這句
類似的職業別也是一樣
2008-06-14 @ 12:12
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
針對台灣希望早日重開漁業會談之事,谷口表示,「我認為漁業會談應該早日進行,但是漁業會談跟此次事故並沒有任何關係,不能混為一談,海釣船進入日本領海乃涉及領土主權問題。」谷口重申日本政府立場指出,「釣魚台列嶼並沒有領土歸屬的問題」。

幹你看人家日本外務省副報導官(副發言人)谷口智彥講話多斬釘截鐵,跟本沒有領土歸屬問題,因為這就是日本滴~~~

Lucifer
2008-06-14 @ 12:34
迴響 from: martian [訪問者]
我們的政府也能這樣"斬釘截鐵"就好了!

不只日本政府斬釘截鐵~(釣魚台是日本的)
中國也斬釘截鐵呀!~(台灣是中國的領土)
不是嘛?

只有我們...避重就輕!!!
2008-06-14 @ 13:01
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
國民黨這幾年阻擋軍購 獲得民眾支持 後來執政了
同一批反軍購的民眾要馬英九國民黨政府採取積極措施
現在又傳出最難堪的消息
馬英九希望美國政府暫時不要核准出售F-16C/D給台灣
路西法好像也當作沒看見 不敢批評當今 ....科科
效法上個世紀拿著大刀抗日?


2008-06-14 @ 13:57
迴響 from: Sampkao [訪問者]
>> 迴響來自: 老宅男 [訪問者]
>>國民黨這幾年阻擋軍購 獲得民眾支持 後來執政了
>>同一批反軍購的民眾要馬英九國民黨政府採取積極
>>措施
>>現在又傳出最難堪的消息
>>馬英九希望美國政府暫時不要核准出售F-16C/D給台

>>路西法好像也當作沒看見 不敢批評當今 ....科科
>>傚法上個世紀拿著大刀抗日?


妙,以現在的台灣情勢,不管發生甚麼事有些人的心路歷程都是:
1、此事能提高我黨的支持率嗎?
2、如果不能,能給阿國黨或馬囧甚麼難堪嗎?
3、喔對了,這件事到底是甚麼鬼啊?

不論川震或釣島都是一樣。

如果馬囧心口不一,不用你在這邊廢話,我這個投他一票的都會去拉他下來,但你擺明了就是不管三七二十一、他做甚麼你罵甚麼,這樣算個屁啊!說話講道理,走路靠右邊,你至少也多等個半年一年好不,520都還沒滿月呢。亂七八糟。

(冷靜…我要冷靜…)

2008-06-14 @ 15:15
迴響 from: 左光紫 [訪問者]
亂說話的人總是繼續亂說話。
一副只是為筆戰而筆戰的態度,看的實在叫人心煩。
但我想對他們這種人而言,自己覺得煩了他們就爽了。
所以還是學朱大對這些人的發言置若罔聞比較輕鬆愉快。
唉唉~~
2008-06-14 @ 15:30
迴響 from: 悠久之町 [訪問者]
該說的還是要說
~但是我更痛恨那些說出不惜一戰或是以此大作文章的人~
我不是指你 而是指媒體跟立委
我表達錯誤 抱歉

所以也不會有~老子從來沒說過什麼不惜一戰~的問題
該打的還是要打 只是那是最後手段
別老把戰爭掛在嘴邊 這是我想表達的
2008-06-14 @ 16:13
迴響 from: ゅ魚 [訪問者]
馬冏曾說「保釣不惜一戰」
http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/080612/8/114di.html

護釣魚台主權 劉揆:不排除不惜一戰
http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/080613/17/116ek.html

(經過不到24hr)

劉揆改口:沒說過不惜一戰
http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/080614/78/117tz.html



另外看到一篇新聞
http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/080613/11/1175m.html
最後一句話「小馬哥變成馬總統,熱血不在,真的變成宅男了!」
播報員是怎樣...胡說八道阿
宅宅們可是很熱血的啊!!

像朱大可就是自稱「熱血有為青年」的「熱血宅宅」阿!
2008-06-14 @ 17:11
迴響 from: 羊皮狼 [訪問者]
1.目前釣魚台的確是日本所擁有。
2.海釣船不得超過本島24海浬的作業範圍,跑去釣魚台實屬違法。

以上兩點均成立,那麼我們就放任海釣船被撞沉?放棄要求賠償?
不管如何,政府應該要有所作為吧,

至於那些嘴砲不惜一戰的立委,應該要綁在愛國者飛彈上擔任導航作開戰的第一砲!
2008-06-14 @ 17:13
迴響 from: ゅ魚 [訪問者]
對了...
這些都只是剛剛無聊從奇摩新聞找的
如果有其它來源的資料可以參考的話,麻煩大家提供
因為新聞這種東西嘛...看看就好!!(我認為啦)
因為各家報導"上頭"都是有自己的立場
整天被媒體報導耍得團團轉也不妥啊!!
2008-06-14 @ 17:17
迴響 from: 阿彭-態度決定一切 [訪問者]
我的歷史老師曾找到以下資料:

1893年10月慈禧太后曾頒發一到詔諭,將釣魚台、黃尾嶼、赤尾嶼三小島賜給盛宣懷。這件事發生在日本1879年併吞琉球後十四年,民國三十六年底盛宣懷之子盛恩頤以手書附同該詔諭,囑其女毓真相機勘查釣魚台等三島嶼,並於民國三十六年12月5日留遺囑給其女毓真,述及「釣魚台三島為皇上賜與汝祖做為採藥之用,詔書尚在家中。」
盛恩頤遺囑立於台灣光復初期,當時釣魚台主權上未發生爭議。

所以,釣魚台不是日本的,是盛懷宣他家的採藥的後院。
2008-06-14 @ 17:41
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
響來自: Sampkao [訪問者]
>> 迴響來自: 老宅男 [訪問者]
>>國民黨這幾年阻擋軍購 獲得民眾支持 後來執政了
>>同一批反軍購的民眾要馬英九國民黨政府採取積極
>>措施
>>現在又傳出最難堪的消息
>>馬英九希望美國政府暫時不要核准出售F-16C/D給台

>>路西法好像也當作沒看見 不敢批評當今 ....科科
>>傚法上個世紀拿著大刀抗日?


妙,以現在的台灣情勢,不管發生甚麼事有些人的心路歷程都是:
1、此事能提高我黨的支持率嗎?
2、如果不能,能給阿國黨或馬囧甚麼難堪嗎?
3、喔對了,這件事到底是甚麼鬼啊?

不論川震或釣島都是一樣。

如果馬囧心口不一,不用你在這邊廢話,我這個投他一票的都會去拉他下來,但你擺明了就是不管三七二十一、他做甚麼你罵甚麼,這樣算個屁啊!說話講道理,走路靠右邊,你至少也多等個半年一年好不,520都還沒滿月呢。亂七八糟。

(冷靜…我要冷靜…)
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對對
學朱大置若罔顧
那麼余秋雨繼續大放厥詞
朱大不就也是算個屁

講講理好嗎
我認為現在要拿下釣魚台除了要聽朱大的呼籲以外
還必須做一件事情
嚴懲當初阻擋軍購拒買神盾艦的政治人物與政黨 以叛國罪論處
如果沒有浪費這八年 軍備都能順利汰舊換新 不但士氣大振
當國格被污辱的時候"馬上"就可以耀武揚威 凌空御雲 海上稱雄
現在大家都只會罵海巡官兵 外交人員
卻忘了找出始作俑者是誰
日本就是看中國國民黨八年來努力廢弛中華民國軍力才敢登門踏戶
大家可得把帳記在國民黨身上 別又賴到李登輝 陳水扁 人家很努力要買武器的
2008-06-14 @ 17:50
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 左光紫 [訪問者]
亂說話的人總是繼續亂說話。
一副只是為筆戰而筆戰的態度,看的實在叫人心煩。
但我想對他們這種人而言,自己覺得煩了他們就爽了。
所以還是學朱大對這些人的發言置若罔聞比較輕鬆愉快。
唉唉~~
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說話憑良心
我有一套論述
你有嗎
ㄚ宅們不是被你隨便騙幾句 就不省人事
現在軍備不修 如何奪回釣魚台
這要怪誰
八年來 日本先後完成許多計畫
F2戰鬥成軍
F22計畫購置
新建直升機航母要用來搭載F35
自製運輸機試飛
日本神盾艦更新系統完成TMD架構
八年來舊政府要買神盾 國民黨反對
要買潛艇 國民黨反對 要買阿帕契國民黨也反對
買反潛機 長程雷達預警機 國民黨也反對

現在國軍士氣低落 要他們去跟八年軍備建設有成的日本打戰?
不知道是去送死還是要讓擴大內需預算所蓋新殯儀館生意興隆




2008-06-14 @ 18:02
迴響 from: 羊皮狼 [訪問者]
樓樓上的,關於釣魚台詔書已經證明是場騙局了

從徐逸的詔書談起
http://city.udn.com/59141/2904865

聯合報保釣論述的荒謬與矛盾
http://w1.southnews.com.tw/snews/diplomacy/00_00/00023.htm
2008-06-14 @ 18:07
迴響 from: 阿彭-態度決定一切 [訪問者]
感謝羊皮狼大大的分享
我資訊更新得太慢 落伍啦
撤回前篇留言
2008-06-14 @ 19:41
迴響 from: 左光紫 [訪問者]
所以我說你淺就是淺,國家的軍備要強健你以為只要花錢一直買就行了?
國家若要有堅實的國防,除了短期的應急購置外,就要有自己的研發力量。
這就是我們國家之前最白癡的地方,沒有長遠的眼光。
而且你批評國家的方式也不夠公允。
國家至少有一件事情是做對的:就是計畫要將徵兵制全面改成募兵制。
除了增加就業的好處外,也將整個國軍力量從人做起。

另外別什麼事情就直接扯到馬英九,現在行政體系跟立法體系自己的內鬥,國民黨本身自己的內鬥就夠白痴了。
反正現在行政、立法都操縱在國民黨手上,如果因為他自己的內鬥造成將來四年一樣一事無成,那就完全沒什麼好說的。
2008-06-14 @ 20:02
迴響 from: Sampkao [訪問者]
挖靠,幾個小時沒來,話題已經從釣魚台飛躍到國軍裝備啦。

也好,那麼咱們就深入點來談談。

對我來說,單一的軍備是屬於戰術的層次,重要,卻必須擺放在政略與戰略之下。

甚麼是政略與戰略?政略者,國家之意志,戰略者,遂行國家意志之軍事手段。

一國之意志,以一個民主國家來說,就是人民的意志,人民意志若是齊一,則用兵時如石擊卵,守備時如壩斷江。正面的案例是二戰中的美國,反面則是越戰中的美國。

有了共同意志,接下來才是戰略性的兵力部屬與整備。如今台灣連共同意志都談不上,談到戰略外緣的軍購與反軍購,有何意義?

解決政略上的問題才是正本清源之道。

台灣的政爭其來有自,說穿了就是一代代住民間的恩怨情仇,上一代人已逐漸凋零,我們下一代仍得繼續把路走將下去,背著這些仇恨真值得嗎?

我知道國民黨很爛,尤其許多民代與黨務人員更是爛中之爛,但如今有人試著想在其中做出改革,我們難道不能給他一個機會嗎?若國民黨真能漸漸走向清明,對期盼有個良性的兩黨政治的我們難道不好嗎?

雖然機會很小,但我們若都抱著看好戲的心,機會豈不就更小了嗎?

各位不妨捫心自問,你們討厭馬囧是因為他勢必會和國民黨同流合污,還是因為他或許真有可能扭轉污穢的國民黨,讓你們的仇恨失去立場?

我不反對以監督的眼神盯著他,他若真有甚麼犯錯,我也會加入你們ㄍㄧㄠˇ他。但現在反對黨的質詢裡到底隱含著多少仇恨,我想你們不至於不知道,甚至連國民黨裡許多立委,都打算從新政府身上討回一些甚麼。

他們打算把仇恨就這麼進行下去,你們也這麼打算嗎?

就算是,至少在某些議題請站在你認為對的立場上表態出來,這樣對大家都好。

譬如釣魚台這件事上。
2008-06-14 @ 21:00
迴響 from: OCEAN [訪問者]
恆河系是宇宙中的ㄧ小撮沙子…地球是恆河系中的ㄧ顆小沙粒…上頭的小小人兒.…成天大欺小…亂烘烘的...神仙看了都難過~~
2008-06-14 @ 21:10
迴響 from: shire [訪問者]
今天這個事件,只能說"弱國無外交",這次我們跟日本釣魚台的情形,就像日本跟俄羅斯北方四島的情形很類似,俄羅斯才不管日本說啥屁話,島不還就是不還。我是覺得這次政府冷處理的方式算是還好吧,如果像朱大或是版上的各位版友作出一樣的反應,那處理國務還不簡單,什麼後續的影響都不用管,找一個嘴炮技能點滿的出來放炮就足夠了。
2008-06-14 @ 21:17
迴響 from: 我自閉 [訪問者]
我離不開的原因是......這裡的發言都很糟糕.......
2008-06-14 @ 22:20
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
迴響來自: Sampkao [訪問者]
(全部略..科科)
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你深入點來談的重點在哪?
267個回覆 有誰在看戲?
我早已聲明我廉頗雖老 尚有馬革裹屍之志
奈何八年國民黨抵制軍購廢弛軍備大挫軍心士氣
豈是我空嘴哺舌 憑空想像?
日本八年來兵強馬健 安營紮寨 屯兵秣厲 蓄兵養銳 武備精進自不待言
中華民國八年軍備不修 在野黨叛國抵制軍購 訓練未能與時俱進 士氣必然低落
孫子說廟算勝則勝 誠斯言 敵長我消 勝負已定

ㄚ宅們啊 我們姑息這些叛國賊八年來的作為 現在這些登上大位的叛國賊竟然要我們效忠他們 為他們打仗?
老朽真的是無言.............(青衫濕)




2008-06-14 @ 22:39
迴響 from: childman [訪問者]
朱大,你氣消了沒?氣消了,麻煩寫新文章啦...
2008-06-14 @ 22:59
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 左光紫 [訪問者]
所以我說你淺就是淺,國家的軍備要強健你以為只要花錢一直買就行了?
國家若要有堅實的國防,除了短期的應急購置外,就要有自己的研發力量。
這就是我們國家之前最白癡的地方,沒有長遠的眼光。
而且你批評國家的方式也不夠公允。
國家至少有一件事情是做對的:就是計畫要將徵兵制全面改成募兵制。
除了增加就業的好處外,也將整個國軍力量從人做起。

另外別什麼事情就直接扯到馬英九,現在行政體系跟立法體系自己的內鬥,國民黨本身自己的內鬥就夠白痴了。
反正現在行政、立法都操縱在國民黨手上,如果因為他自己的內鬥造成將來四年一樣一事無成,那就完全沒什麼好說的。
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馬英九是三軍統帥 月領八十萬厚祿
宣戰媾和就是總統的責任
閣下回去讀中華民國憲法再來朱大這留言
為了國格 老朽支持不惜一戰(造成軍備不修的那些叛國賊 等保釣戰爭結束 馬上清算 全部當街處決槍斃)
老朽已經表態了
你呢
2008-06-14 @ 23:00
迴響 from: childman [訪問者]
農友大,A片抓的如何?之前我的被充公...想要分享你的...
2008-06-14 @ 23:02
迴響 from: 李目白 [訪問者]
  俺的立場:

一,軍購支持。

二,兩黨執政同樣機掰。(既然露餡就不爆料了,明哲保身。)

三,媒體仍是因,網路仍是果。(嘴砲無傷,雞叫有理,討論個洨)

四,搞串連請有作為,要嘛就真的入黨,乖乖繳黨費;
  要嘛就做做公益,總之別淪為媒抗之流(立意甚美,吃盡飼料,雞叫一片)。

2008-06-14 @ 23:11
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
目白兄出現了也!!!
2008-06-14 @ 23:12
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
絕不原諒你~~~
2008-06-14 @ 23:12
迴響 from: childman [訪問者]
兩黨執政同樣機掰+1
2008-06-14 @ 23:21
迴響 from: childman [訪問者]
本篇要到4,有點難度,所以vita妳有得等...
2008-06-14 @ 23:22
迴響 from: childman [訪問者]
若近期沒到4呢,那就祈禱吧...(我很努力在灌水幫妳了)
2008-06-14 @ 23:24
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
別灌水別灌水,現在要當乖孩子~
現在不是灌水的時候~
2008-06-14 @ 23:27
迴響 from: RAMMSTEIN [訪問者]
不惜跟米國一戰嗎? 美日安保是假的啊? 有的單位高裝檢還要米國人校閱
中華民國國軍跟自衛隊根本是同營不同連吧?
請諸君參閱犬狼傳說 要知道 軍人的槍不是可以隨便開的
想當年在福建省真的被阿共摸上來了 也只能用伯朗咖啡砸他們

不過 和星艦的確是不該退 拉法葉就不一定了...
還有 我真的是皇軍後代 而且我相信很多人都是
2008-06-14 @ 23:32
迴響 from: 李目白 [訪問者]
  俺的順便靠杯:

  台灣男人夠格批判國軍的問題嗎?

  多的是嘴上掛著國軍腐敗戰力不夠的傢伙,進軍中做起事來接受學長學弟制的洗禮(即使近兩年人權高漲)後,菜蟲拔光一切跟著"傳承"得過且過,打混摸魚。
  如此這般,惡性循環:這種咖最後也可上PTT發洩外加寫個網誌兼發黑函(贏得滿堂喝采)...齁齁.
2008-06-14 @ 23:43
迴響 from: 我自閉 [訪問者]
我所謂的糟糕是糟糕島的糟糕......
http://tw.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A8tUxzi54FNIYoEAnAJr1gt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByNzBwMjJmBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMwRjb2xvA3RwZQR2dGlkAw--/SIG=12jokk5o3/EXP=1213542969/**http%3A//komica.dyndns.org/wiki/%3F%25E7%25B3%259F%25E7%25B3%2595
2008-06-14 @ 23:45
迴響 from: ICE [訪問者]
我反戰,因為只會增加仇恨

但,堅持---賠償和道歉

至於T恤,要精益求精,也要求變求新!(李杯杯要一件囉?)
2008-06-14 @ 23:51
迴響 from: ICE [訪問者]
抗議------- 抗議 一直要把小馬哥比做宅男,太不恰當
2008-06-15 @ 00:06
迴響 from: 左光紫 [訪問者]
所以我就說你這種人只是為批評而批評。
原本講的講不過人馬上就另啟戰端。
我啥時扯到憲法,卻馬上叫人去讀憲法?
要辯論也得有個邏輯才行,
像你這樣東扯西扯哪天才能講清楚。

要是戰事真的起頭了,你只是出張嘴,已經除役的傢伙也不是死第一個。首先受損的是國家的國力與國民。況且我們國家生育率已經極其低落了,還因為戰爭損失一堆青壯年,除了國家財力、建設受損外,也加速國家人口老化的速度,將使國家一蹶不振。

而且你的作法根本不符合法律程序,還莫名奇妙叫人讀憲法。
今天沒有培植國家軍事研發實力,充其量只能算是國家政策方向錯誤,立法院依其權力拒絕行政院之提案,也只是依法行事。
就算因為戰爭進入如以往的動員抗亂時期,一切以軍法處置的情況。他們的所作所為也是在戰爭之前所做,根本沒有任何法源可以追究。

另外若你真有老驥伏櫪之心,反正你已經是個除役的老傢伙,真有種就直接租條船直接開到釣魚台島上去學立法委員宣示主權。還比立法委員還有種,因為你是自己租船去的而且還跑到釣魚台島上。最好搞個日本民間自衛隊將你直接轟殺!國家幫你辦個葬禮,也會因為你的偉大行徑厚待、好好照顧你的家人。也因世界的輿論使日本低頭,只損失一個只出一張嘴的老頭,換得台灣在國際地位的抬頭與不損及中華民國的國力與人民豈不更好。
如果你敢回說怕自己家人傷心,怎麼不想想若輕啟戰端,中華民國會有更多家庭因此破碎。
戰爭何其殘酷無情,無論如何也不可輕啟戰端!

今天這件事情的主因只是因為這個事務官的手腕不夠高明,今天人家叫你徹你就徹,沒有將國家的立場、人民的安危權益放在第一且同時考量。人家叫你徹,你為何不回答:但若讓我方人民遭受傷害以及財產上的損失,則必始國內媒體大肆報導,政客高分貝批評,將使兩國關係更加惡化,本方軍艦此次保證只為了保證我國國民安危財產,絕不做出影響兩國關係之行為。

而且有關釣魚台的事情,迫於今次之事件,總統府發出主權聲明稿也是勢所當為。若今天沒這件事,我寧願放著讓大陸、日本去吵好玩的,台灣以坐收漁翁之利還更妙些。
2008-06-15 @ 00:27
迴響 from: 仙山居士 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/ozasik
>左光紫
他跳Tone不是沒有記錄的。

老宅男從釣魚台跳到軍購,這種跳躍式思考跳的太遠了。現在國家裡的官員只要睡上一覺就會變的軟弱無能,你卻還停留在那時候的群情激憤,拜託你別跟現在內閣一樣轉速過低,人民已經受不了了,我也一樣!

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保釣不接受日調查報告內容! 歐鴻鍊:將召回駐日代表
http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/080614/17/118ur.html

新進展......代表沒了要怎麼談?
(本人不懂煩請指點)
2008-06-15 @ 01:15
迴響 from: 仙山居士 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/ozasik
補充:只要不被裡面的立場給誤導,其實報導多少還是能看。

但是有些新聞報導的立意就是轉移焦點,要注意。
(例:最近的綠卡風波怎麼突然消失呢?
因為焦點被放到對岸會談去了,
但這又爆出未被授權的爭議云云......)
2008-06-15 @ 01:36
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
仙山
跳TONE是什麼意思...
好像很有學問ㄟ
軍備不修如何護漁? 為何要迴避這個"硬實力" 難道你當初也是反軍購? 心虛?
你以為日本海上自衛隊跟菲律賓海盜一個等級?
要維護朱大所言的"國格"沒有武力作後盾 誰理你?
中華民國八年軍備不修 日本八年枕戈待旦
總統不惜一戰 我沒有立場反對 但我希望戰後 清算那些反軍購的政黨

假設站在日本立場 日本退一百萬步向台灣漁民道歉賠償 那又如何
那你能保證事後中華民國國旗能插上釣魚台嗎? 中華民國海軍真能抗日護漁?
誰能保證? 你連八年軍備廢弛都可以置若罔聞 你用什麼保證?
你當日本軍隊都是長谷川模型? 田宮模型?用模型膠黏的?.........科科


左光紫
毋恃敵之不來 恃吾有以待之
你不但要讀憲法 也要去讀教戰守策
只想把責任往海巡小官推?
當今只想要得好處 不沾鍋 只會讓國格再次被踐踏!
這我想起可憐的代罪羔羊余文(英狗偷吃 黑狗受罪)
最後受害的就是人民的納稅血汗錢還在台北市前市長夫人的帳戶裡
你不要再姑息那些有權力的人了啦


教戰守策    蘇軾
  夫當今生民之患,果安在哉?在於知安而不知危,能逸而不能勞。此其患不見於今,而
將見於他日。今不為之計,其後將有所不可救者。
  昔者先王知兵之不可去也,是故天下雖平,不敢忘戰。秋冬之隙,致民田獵以講武,教
之以進退坐作之方,使其耳目習於鐘鼓旌旗之間而不亂,使其心志安於斬刈殺伐之際而不懾
。是以雖有盜賊之變,而民不至於驚潰。
  及至後世,用迂儒之議,以去兵為王者之盛節。天下既定,則卷甲而藏之。數十年之後
,甲兵損敞,而人民日以安於佚樂;卒有盜賊之警,則相與恐懼訛言,不戰而走。開元、天
寶之際,天下豈不大治?惟其民安於太平之樂,酣豢於遊戲酒食之間;其剛心勇氣,銷耗鈍
眊,痿蹶而不復振。是以區區之祿山一山而乘之,四方之民,獸奔鳥竄,乞為囚虜之不暇,
天下分裂,而唐室因以微矣。
  蓋嘗試論之:天下之勢,譬如一身。王公貴人所以養其身者,豈不至哉?而其平居常苦
於多疾。至於農夫小民,終歲勤苦,而未嘗告病,此其故何也?夫風雨霜露寒暑之變,疾之
所由生也。農夫小民,盛夏力作,窮冬暴露,其筋骸之所衝犯,肌膚之所浸漬,輕霜露而狎
風雨,是故寒暑不能為之毒。今王公貴人,處於重屋之下,出則乘輿,風則襲裘,雨則御蓋
。凡所以慮患之具,莫不備至。畏之太甚,而養之太過,小不如意,則寒暑入之矣。是以善
養身者,使之能逸能勞;步趨動作,使其四體狃於寒暑之變;然後可以剛健強力,涉險而不
傷。夫民亦然。
  今者治平之日久,天下之人,驕惰脆弱,如婦人孺子,不出於閨門。論戰鬥之事,則縮
頸而股慄;聞盜賊之名,則掩耳而不願聽。而士大夫亦未嘗言兵,以為生事擾民,漸不可長
。此不亦畏之太甚,而養之太過歟?
  且夫天下固有意外之患也。愚者見四方之無事,則以為變故無自而有,此亦不然矣。今
國家所以奉西北二虜者,歲以百萬計。奉之者有限,而求之者無厭,此其勢必至於戰。戰者
必然之勢也。不先於我,則先於彼;不出於西,則出於北。所不可知者,有遲速遠近,而要
以不能免也。
  天下苟不免於用兵,而用之不以漸,使民於安樂無事之中,一旦出身而蹈死地,則其為
患必有所不測。故曰:天下之民,知安而不知危,能逸而不能勞,此臣所謂大患也。臣欲使
士大夫尊尚武勇,講習兵法;庶人之在官者,教以行陣之節;役民之司盜者,授以擊刺之術
;每歲終則聚於郡府;如古都試之法,有勝負,有賞罰,而行之既久,則又以軍法從事。然
議者必以為無故而動民,又撓以軍法,則民將不安,而臣以為此所以安民也。天下果未能去
兵,則其一旦將以不教之民而驅之戰。夫無故而動民,雖有小怨,然熟與夫一旦之危哉?
  今天下屯聚之兵,驕豪而多怨,陵壓百姓,而邀其上者,何故?此其心,以為天下之知
戰者,惟我而已。如使平民皆習於兵,彼知有所敵,則固以破其奸謀,而折其驕氣。利害之
際,豈不亦甚明歟?



2008-06-15 @ 02:22
迴響 from: 科科 [訪問者]
看美國電影跟日本的影片,他們給人的感覺都是很好很強大

啥時台灣國軍才能給這種感覺?
2008-06-15 @ 02:51
迴響 from: Wizards7rule [訪問者]
依我看這次釣魚台事件是政府轉移目標的陰謀
現在國民黨在中國出賣臺灣農民的利益

詳情見
http://terrylogin.blogspot.com/2008/05/blog-post_1242.html
http://blog.roodo.com/fairy220/archives/6175833.html

臺灣媒體卻連一個字都沒有
大部份部落格也被轉移焦點
2008-06-15 @ 04:07
迴響 from: Wizards7rule [訪問者]
臺灣媒體卻連一個字都沒有
大部份部落格也被轉移焦點

日本首相剛被提不信任案
今天又有地震

台日不可能打起來

打起來 = 逼台向中國靠攏

所以現在國民黨 口逕一致的嘴砲

無論如何國民黨都贏
2008-06-15 @ 04:19
迴響 from: Wizards7rule [訪問者]
台灣官員真是腦殘怕事
免費當英雄的機會要去當狗熊
2008-06-15 @ 04:30
迴響 from: RAMMSTEIN [訪問者]
我覺得只有海巡小官才能衝衝衝 至於諾克斯跟日向對幹是絕無可能的事
就好像你看別連副連不爽你還是要叫學長好 真的幹起來馬上得上旅部夾卵但一樣的道理
這時好只能叫義務役下士查哨查死他....

軍人真的最好就是當田宮模型 因為一開槍就應該要把彈夾打完不得脫靶
2008-06-15 @ 09:29
迴響 from: 機車妹 [訪問者]
不說釣魚台主權爭議
日本這麼做就是完全野蠻
擊沉一艘小漁船根本就不是合理行為
我覺得日本就是一個欺善怕惡的國家
不必到要宣戰的地步 但嚴正的抗議一定是要的
不然他們就會一直欺壓我們
2008-06-15 @ 09:50
迴響 from: 左光紫 [訪問者]
重點不在古今之分,而在是否為當所為之道。
你除了不斷引經據典,胸中可有半點自我獨到之見?
你所引用的蘇軾大人,曾在科考中自己掰出一個典故來支持自己的言論。
你所引用的蘇軾大人,了解重點不在引經據典,而在話談陳論中,是否能有自己的可用之見。
引古人之文,是否真了解古人之心?

罵人簡單,但要在這世俗的紛紛擾擾中找出可行之道、濁流之真意卻殊不易。
你當初罵我沒有自己的一套論述,現在你除了穿鑿附會,捕風捉影,甚至亂引用古人之詞外,哪裡有半點自己的真知灼見。
2008-06-15 @ 11:38
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
本來我也是認同機車妹的看法 發出嚴重抗議就可以了
然後呢接下來政府的戰略與戰術 有配套方案嗎
沒有 誰說有的 拿出來給大家開眼
左紫光
這就是蘇軾說的
"夫當今生民之患,果安在哉?在於知安而不知危,能逸而不能勞。此其患不見於今,而
將見於他日。今不為之計,其後將有所不可救者。"
不必真知灼見 是政府眼高手低 沒有擬定戰略戰術配套 只好便宜行事 愚弄民眾操作民族情緒
你真的相信馬政府召回大使抗議完了 日本從此害怕 不再撞船 還義務幫台灣護漁?
日本是看你中國國民黨在野八年來抵制軍購廢弛軍備 未來執政八年"不武國策"繼續兵頹廢馬羸弱
日本此時不撞船更待何時
現在還有人說要抵制日貨 大概被別人笑翻了
抵制日貨的那些人剛好就是抵制軍購同一批人
無言..........................

2008-06-15 @ 14:56
迴響 from: 真●阿宅 [訪問者]
大家都沒發現金剛級驅逐艦是福音戰士裡面
國聯艦隊運送貳號機時裡面的驅逐艦嗎?
次元艦隊好像也是這艄船
有神盾系統
只是畫的不太像..
2008-06-15 @ 18:58
迴響 from: 仙山居士 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/ozasik
>老宅男
你要引經據典我沒話講。但問題是你真的知道國軍在海戰戰術戰略是什麼嗎?
>沒有 誰說有的 拿出來給大家開眼
是你自己找不到資料(我看你也沒有那種身手),還要推給所有人說沒資料,這什麼道理!
欲加之罪,其無詞乎!

我甚至可以更肯定的說,台灣的湯姆克蘭西根本不是你!
2008-06-15 @ 19:53
迴響 from: 仙山居士 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/ozasik
再把話題拉回來......

不滿遭日方移送 何鴻義驗傷為提告做準備
http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/080615/5/11a8m.html

這新聞要比對於另一個電視新聞,就是農委會有說到日方已道歉......

真的嗎?我已經不相信官員講的話了。

───

啊,不小心得到第300篇留言...

我可以許願說「討論再開」嗎(被歐)
2008-06-15 @ 21:37
迴響 from: 亂入是王道 [訪問者]

又開始做瀨尿牛丸了...

拿自慰隊對比海巡的確有問題

那麼.....

海上保安廳VS.海巡 呢?

武力:40厘米機砲VS.20厘米機槍....

還是一樣抖抖抖抖個不行啊!!!!!!!!!!!

即使如此拎杯還是主戰,沒有衝突就沒有談判桌!

談不談的贏是一回事,總比像現在一樣被抓著"現翠配"好~

PS.幹!居然有大日本駐台自慰隊跑來這裡~(驚)

2008-06-15 @ 22:48
迴響 from: 我自閉 [訪問者]
看樣子,我們政府賺到面子,日本維護到裡子。
2008-06-23 @ 00:06
迴響 from: noblegas [訪問者]
日本人還會燃燒小宇宙、並且在大海裡吹起潮水(女性軍官)

我們不可不慎
2008-07-15 @ 22:20
迴響 from: 大頭目 [訪問者]
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2014-12-06 @ 19:20
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2014-12-06 @ 21:21
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2014-12-06 @ 21:30
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2014-12-06 @ 21:59
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2014-12-06 @ 22:33
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2014-12-06 @ 22:54
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2014-12-06 @ 23:45
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2014-12-07 @ 00:08