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假考部隊的新聞有多假? (30719 views)
     

這年頭,只要會和媒體一搭一唱,要成立一個假考部隊假裝改變社會還真是很簡單。

不過,你所看到的都是真的嗎?

還是只因為有特定媒體報導,你就以為真的有這麼一件事情了?

要佔據大量媒體版面你需要幾個人?

答案很簡單。五個人,和一個願意配合你的記者與媒體。

Follow up:

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/hero1999tw&category_id=11215598

假考部隊的新聞最早是來自於聯合報2008年3月3日的報導,記者叫做薛荷玉。

http://mag.udn.com/mag/campus/storypage.jsp?f_MAIN_ID=13&f_SUB_ID=104&f_ART_ID=113227

根據薛荷玉記者的說法,在2008年3月3日時,「已募集了一支百人以上的考試部隊,將參加今年七月指考,計畫集中選填辦學品質最差的幾個系所,分發後一個人都不去念

後續所有相關新聞大部分皆是由聯合報的同一位薛荷玉記者發出,我很好奇的檢驗了一下相關新聞的數據。

2008年5月6號:

http://mag.udn.com/mag/campus/storypage.jsp?f_MAIN_ID=13&f_SUB_ID=1755&f_ART_ID=123921

根據薛荷玉記者的報導:「「萬人考大學」行動小組日前到教育部前「快閃」抗議後,加入的人數暴增,一直到昨天最後2位成員加入後,假考部隊算是正式成軍

換句話說,這裡特別強調加入人數暴增,跟兩個月前同一位記者報導參與假考部隊的人數應該有很大的差異吧?

大學指考報名昨天截止,「萬人考大學」的假考部隊也正式成軍,活動發起人hero表示,已報名的假考成員超過百人

好吧,顯然薛記者的描述方式跟我們不一樣,三月的時候說已經募集到百人以上的考試部隊,暴增兩個月之後就從「百人以上」,增加到「超過百人」。嗯嗯,看起來真是相當威呀!

好吧,既然有超過百人的陣仗,那想必一定有很多故事和成員可以報導嚕?(←前提是如果這一百人都真的存在

我們來看看2008年4月21號介紹假考部隊成員,這篇薛荷玉記者寫的文章吧!

http://mag.udn.com/mag/campus/storypage.jsp?f_MAIN_ID=13&f_SUB_ID=1755&f_ART_ID=121414

雖然說「根據「萬人考大學」行動小組掌握到的訊息,參與者有不少是公私立大學學生及社會人士」這段話有點怪怪的,明明就是你發起的活動為什麼還不太確定消息,只能掌握一部份?

但是我們還是很認真的數了一下。一位畢業十幾年的自由業劉小姐和他的兩個朋友,私大學生賈伯楷和哈哈。

五個人?好吧,我們再加入發起者hero好了。六個人?其他的九十四個人呢?

http://www.tdda.org/Creator/Content.aspx?Mode=Forum&CID=10

喔,補充一下,有網友說發起人hero本名是叫做翁英修啦,不知道是不是他哩?

如果就是此人的話,看起來以前是個記者,難怪深明操縱媒體之黑暗兵法呀!

好吧,第一次報導可能不能全寫嘛!對不對,這樣要求太高了。

所以於是我就先問了一下其他採訪這條新聞的記者,看看他們有沒有採訪到別的人和別的故事。不過答案相當值得玩味。

某記者表示:我們問過主辦人hero參與者有多少人,他不肯說;問他如何證明科系是被他們幹掉,他說:我們自己會知道。

2008年4月21日中央社的另外一篇報導:

http://news.epochtimes.com/b5/8/4/14/n2081526.htm


(畫面其他四個人感覺不太專心,好像在聊天和發呆)

十四日包括自稱驢兒(前中)等五人出面.....今天台大研究所學生驢兒等人出現在NGO會館前進一步說明指出.....

2008年6月30日

http://mag.udn.com/mag/campus/storypage.jsp?f_ART_ID=133654

好啦,考試都快到了,也許我們可以看到更多相關的報導啦!

可是這些人的臉孔好熟悉呀!

十幾年前從台大畢業的劉小姐,因認同「萬人考大學」加速淘汰黑心系所的主張,不但自己報名,還找了2個朋友一同加入

目前念研究所的「驢兒」,妹妹今年剛好也要考大學,教科書、參考書都不缺,因歷史、地理的教科書近年來改得最多,他也集中精力在攻讀這兩科,並複習一下國文的文言文部分。當年學測考73級分(滿分為75級分)、申請上名校的驢兒,對再考一次並不擔心。」

怎麼又是驢兒,又是劉小姐,而且這兩個人又都是台大畢業的,難道沒有別的演員了嗎?用特效一直複製貼上製造千軍萬馬的場景可是不行的呀!

2008年7月4號,今天考試都考完了,這一百多人也該站出來跟大家說說話了吧?讓我們來看看薛荷玉記者又是怎麼替我們深入追查的呢?

http://mag.udn.com/mag/campus/storypage.jsp?f_MAIN_ID=12&f_SUB_ID=31&f_ART_ID=134533

拜託!

怎麼還是只有「十幾年前自台大畢業的劉小姐」,和一個數乙輕輕鬆鬆寫完,可能成為假考部隊榜首的國立大學高材生?難道角色就只有這麼多個?

好吧,就讓我們再忍一忍,2008年7月21號要填志願了總該比較好了吧?

http://mag.udn.com/mag/campus/storypage.jsp?f_ART_ID=137353

分數最高的研究生驢兒考了三百七十分,可以上台灣大學,成員中的大學生多考二百多分,連畢業十幾年的社會人士也都有一百多分

這裡有沒有新的演員啊?好像沒有耶!

驢兒就是7月4號那篇文章裡面什麼可能成為榜首的數乙考生,畢業十幾年的社會人士就是台大畢業的劉小姐。

目前就讀私立大學的賈同學,前一陣子忙著準備學校的期末考,並未針對指考準備,也考了二百多分。已畢業十幾年的劉小姐,則考了一百八十二分,「乘上加權計分,應該可以填很多科系了吧」?

賈同學不就是第一篇裡面的私大學生賈伯楷嗎?然後主辦人終於也出來出示了他英文考了六分的成績單......

好吧,讓我們來做個算數吧。

假考部隊的人數從2008年的3月的「百人以上」,增加到2008年5月的「超過一百人」,而這一百人的人數沒有任何的證據、沒有任何的資料可以證明他們存在!

中間所有接受過採訪的人士計有畢業十幾年的自由業劉小姐,私大學生賈伯楷和哈哈、台大研究所學生驢兒和活動主辦人hero。

這個叫做五位受訪者。就算總共參與者只有一百零一位好了,請問誰有證據可以告訴我們他們存在?

光從訪問資料我們可以合理的推測,即使是一切新聞發起點的薛荷玉記者也沒有訪問過這五位以外的人士。

為什麼這種缺乏查證,直接證據的新聞可以鬧這麼大?

他們的主要網站部落格每次報導聯合報都會加上連結大肆為其宣傳,其流量一篇文章竟然只有一千兩百多人閱讀?而這樣叫做影響力?

而且這新聞的結果我根本都可以預料了,他們所謂鎖定的科系本來就是後段的大學和科系,他們的報到率本來就不高。在2007年的新聞中,教育部高教司司長何卓飛就清楚的說了:

http://www.nownews.com/2007/08/20/545-2144892.htm

根據教育部的統計,全台70所一般大學中,公立學校平均註冊率為92.83%,私立學校則只有85.76%。但何卓飛提到,部分後段班大學的錄取報到率只有6成左右,如用教育部核定的名額來看,可能會更低,而部分校系的報到率甚至只有5成,還有不少學生報到後並沒有註冊。

所以,等到正式報到分發之後,假考部隊這怎麼數也只有五個人但聲稱有上百人的團隊一定會出來聲稱自己成功的達成了目的!而且特定媒體一定會配合大肆報導!因為這本來就是魚幫水水幫魚的好方法!

因為第一、這些科系報到率本來就低,第二、你要去讀的科系被媒體報導說要被人家封鎖,你會去讀嗎?

就跟去年那個十八分的考生其實沒有去讀,因為他覺得大家都報導他覺得很幹是一樣的道理呀!

所以,在這個年頭,跟媒體一搭一唱,成立假考部隊真是一個穩賺不賠的生意呀!因為怎麼樣你都可以說你是成功的,只要媒體刻意打混,不加分辨報導出你說的話,根本沒辦法查證和證明他的結果呀!

媒體報導的舉證責任在哪裡? 除了這五個人之外的其他人在哪裡? 他們號稱能夠消滅兩個科系的人數在哪裡?

都他媽的一點也沒有,這種新聞也可以做這麼大,媒體守門員在幹什麼吃的?

別忘記這句話是重點!

某記者表示:我們問過主辦人hero參與者有多少人,他不肯說;問他如何證明科系是被他們幹掉,他說:我們自己會知道。

科科科......

是的,我們的教育制度真的病了!

一群認為應該消滅低分學校,認為應該以分數和實力決定一切的極端份子竟然用五個人就可以佔據這麼大的媒體版面,我們的教育制度的確病了!

而在這群極端份子中,一個從台大畢業十幾年的社會人士竟然可以準備好幾個月只考一百八十二分!還沾沾自喜的說自己可以填很多科系了! 有這種畢業之後表現越來越差卻沾沾自喜的台大畢業生,我們的教育制度的確病了!

更可笑的是帶領這群偏激份子用分數來評斷別人的翁英修(希望不是他呀,我沒辦法想像一個碩士考大學聯考只有這種分數!),這位台南藝術大學音像紀錄所碩士;曾經擔任八大、中天、大愛電視台攝影記者的hero,一個碩士學歷的社會人士英文竟然只考六分,而且還同樣高高興興的跟媒體分享只有一百六十四分的總分!若是以他們的分數和道德邏輯來判斷,這真是廢渣中的廢渣!但這種成績低落的極端份子竟然還有資格排擠其他分數不高的應屆畢業生,大搖大擺的對教育政策說三道四!



是的,我們的教育制度的確病了!

20080808新聞更新:假考部隊最後其實是假的......看這篇吧,數字就可以說實話了。

http://blogs.myoops.org/lucifer.php/2008/08/08/fakeexam2

Lucifer

喔,順便預告一下,台北場的阿宅聚會預計在八月十六號下午到晚上之間舉行,請各位預先空下時間!其他地點的根本沒湊到人....囧。

本站的兩位阿宅攝影濕都將現身擔任來賓,教導各位阿宅如何利用攝影鏡頭的威力與正妹一起合照!

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迴響(1712)

迴響 from: 菸酒生 [訪問者]
我當初有想參加的衝動耶.....

真是糟糕阿XDDD
2008-07-24 @ 19:24
迴響 from: 私心 [訪問者]
搶頭香
2008-07-24 @ 19:26
迴響 from: 不可思議 [訪問者]
就醬,Vincent, 我拿到第一了 :)
2008-07-24 @ 19:26
迴響 from: 私心 [訪問者]
沒搶到= =
媒體素質問題
已經差到都不想再談了
2008-07-24 @ 19:29
迴響 from: carlccc [訪問者]
第2??!!
2008-07-24 @ 19:30
迴響 from: 服務生 [訪問者]
噢不.....為什麼都沒有顯示留言
2008-07-24 @ 19:32
迴響 from: 潛水客 [訪問者]
第一名?
2008-07-24 @ 19:33
迴響 from: 氣 [訪問者]
為何做廣告的必須遵守法律條例,演出言辭不可誇大不實

為何記者媒體卻只有靠道德良心自我規範呢


我要參加宅會,希望女生多一點,最好是人多一點我才敢去

不要最後只剩我跟朱大,那可不好

2008-07-24 @ 19:41
迴響 from: 我不愛講科科 [訪問者]
朱大是臭阿宅
2008-07-24 @ 19:46
迴響 from: stevenwin [訪問者]
阿宅聚會當天,兩位攝影大溼會帶正妹來示範跟阿宅拍照嗎?
我總感覺 阿宅聚會 會變成一群阿宅科科笑的共鳴大會

2008-07-24 @ 19:51
迴響 from: 迺嘴哥 [訪問者] · http://blog.udn.com/yangnaijen
8月16日?拜託是晚上,我下午有課.....
2008-07-24 @ 20:00
迴響 from: Carl [訪問者]
假考部隊本來就是個晃子。

不只是台灣的教育制度病了,社會上有不少人也病了,搞一些要比X檔案還神秘、或是比911還恐怖的噱頭,說穿了只是小貓兩三隻的扮家家酒遊戲,唉...
2008-07-24 @ 20:05
迴響 from: JJ [訪問者]
腳尾飯事件再現?
好像沒人查證過這事情
操縱媒體
應該可以請朱大開堂課
2008-07-24 @ 20:06
迴響 from: dapple [訪問者]
今天真是前面
2008-07-24 @ 20:07
迴響 from: 輕輕走過 [訪問者]
囧......台中場沒了嗎........
2008-07-24 @ 20:09
迴響 from: DigDick [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/DigDick
好前面,要辦在哪啊?
2008-07-24 @ 20:09
迴響 from: 偷偷舉手 [訪問者]
請問參加要舉手報名嗎??
我不是阿宅
我是壁花
2008-07-24 @ 20:10
迴響 from: aiueo(女友去韓國7天)好慘. [訪問者]
所以說唬爛不可恥

可恥的是破綻太多-.-
2008-07-24 @ 20:13
迴響 from: palm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ruaypapa


1.記者跪在地上手拿麥克風的姿勢,很像我『小時後』去鋼琴酒吧,被只能跪著服侍人客的小公主餵吃香蕉水果的畫面,真是令人懷念ㄚ……………

2.我要檢舉,有人學『百人斬』,假借紀錄之名,行與與正妹一起合照之實,下次我也要………

ㄎㄎㄎㄎ




2008-07-24 @ 20:14
迴響 from: 謎樣人 [訪問者]
還有機會前20嗎

從今天起 我不打科科
2008-07-24 @ 20:15
迴響 from: 像總機小姐一樣閒的IT職員 [訪問者]
我我我...
我想要朱豪宅的親筆簽名 (羞)
2008-07-24 @ 20:21
迴響 from: Ker Ker [訪問者]
是真的有媒體守門員這東西喔?我只知道hinet的色情守門員。然後那句"我們自己知道",是模仿別人之前說的機密嗎?每個男人心中都有不能說的秘密!然後很好奇阿宅聚會的男女比,除了教導如何跟妹拍照,還有什麼不能說的秘密呢?不過 去了就知道 科
2008-07-24 @ 20:35
迴響 from: Wanju [訪問者]
其他地方要集滿幾個才能聚會阿?
高雄+1
2008-07-24 @ 20:48
迴響 from: 小蔡 [訪問者]
我只注視最後的值星官,
是不是最近小小有名的吳奇葳小姐?

還有,剛剛看到有兩個阿宅利用活動,要找100個正妹拍照,X的,學生越來越聰明了。
2008-07-24 @ 20:48
迴響 from: 小蔡 [訪問者]
打錯字,
應該是林奇葳。

感覺她假假的。
2008-07-24 @ 20:50
迴響 from: 溪洲阿宅 [訪問者]

以下為萬人考大學發起人之簡歷:

http://www.tdda.org/Creator/Content.aspx?Mode=Forum&CID=10

由上述資料可約略得知霉體配合度之來由
2008-07-24 @ 21:03
迴響 from: 艾賽韓德 [訪問者]
台北場的地點在哪裡阿@@?

我怎麼沒看到 = =?

2008-07-24 @ 21:05
迴響 from: 秋名山之恥 [訪問者]
啊啃!我也被騙了~~
還以為聲勢浩大咧...
2008-07-24 @ 21:07
迴響 from: 秋名山之恥 [訪問者]
正妹的膝蓋上有飯粒...
可以容我用舌頭將飯粒撢掉嗎...(羞)
2008-07-24 @ 21:09
迴響 from: 大話夢想家 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/JShan
如果朱大沒有PO這篇文出來我還真的被唬過去了 =.=

的確新聞從頭到尾到是記者在加註解,

沒看到所謂"百人假考部隊"的陣容,


不過大家對於媒體的墮落也都司空見慣,

可惜沒有好方式去改善,

只能把看新聞當成看娛樂節目了...
2008-07-24 @ 21:09
迴響 from: 十代目 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/luke1989
現在的妓者一點職業道德都沒有 混帳

五個人可以成立部隊啊

科科 只能打個小副本吧

連10人raid都開不起來

很訝異這種垃圾新聞能在一堆電視媒體不斷播放啊

一般不看朱大blog的民眾根本不知道到真相

受本來該帶給民眾真相的媒體蒙蔽 實屬可悲!



2008-07-24 @ 21:14
迴響 from: 也是宅女一枚 [訪問者]
當初看到讀者見面會有想殺去的衝動
不過在家宅久了社交能力都嚴重退化惹...
有點近鄉情怯>///
2008-07-24 @ 21:18
迴響 from: 後現代美學 [訪問者]
聯合報只靠4個人在撐,要倒是遲早的事了...
2008-07-24 @ 21:23
迴響 from: 愛科科 [訪問者]
那是黑x會的洪詩吧
2008-07-24 @ 21:23
迴響 from: Lin [訪問者]
你的邏輯非常的差, 高中課程所教的東西, 絕大多數不是我們日常生活會用到的. 學習只是一個過程, 在經過10幾年以後, 怎麼可能還完全記得當初所學的東西?

如果你把阿扁抓過來考試, 我看他大概也拿不到164分, 這樣他也是你口中的成績低落的極端份子囉.

按照你那低俗的邏輯, 我們是不是應該要求所有政府官員每年都來參加一次指定考試, 把那些分數達不到大師標準的廢渣中的廢渣全部革職?

再說, 假考部隊的目的根本就不是考高分, 反倒是以低分能達成目標才更增添其諷刺性. 這樣你明白了嗎?
2008-07-24 @ 21:26
迴響 from: Saul [訪問者]
樓上別急著為這白吃的新聞護航, 那位小姐可是有準備好幾個月考一百多分而沾沾自喜呢.
還有人要為他護航, 我們的教育真的是病了!!
2008-07-24 @ 21:34
迴響 from: 神經病 [訪問者]

說起分析,你老小子是真的有一套..嗯!! 我真的老了

滾...............

2008-07-24 @ 21:39
迴響 from: crazyzac [訪問者]
朱大 你把假考部隊和阿宅聚會列在一起 素不素在暗示那天聚會只有五個人… kuku...
2008-07-24 @ 21:40
迴響 from: palm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ruaypapa
迴響來自: Lin [訪問者]
你的邏輯非常的差,....................
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朱大
開戰了
我折凳準備好了
萬人支援部隊也準備好了
攤販待命中..........

ㄎㄎㄎㄎ

2008-07-24 @ 21:41
迴響 from: noblegas [訪問者] · http://johnchao0712.blogspot.com
找那記者報導各位舉辦的聚會、寫成全國大會師、牽手救台灣

妹不賴、但有魚尾紋,要注意保養
2008-07-24 @ 21:44
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
為什麼是星期四.......囧"
2008-07-24 @ 21:47
迴響 from: 戰鬥民族賽亞人 [訪問者]
最後一張圖
美眉的膝蓋有可疑的白色果凍!
2008-07-24 @ 21:58
迴響 from: doomleika [訪問者]
英文六分?科科科。

我說每天逛十分鐘wiki都能拿到30分吧。當初看到假考只是覺得他們太武斷,有點奇怪,沒想到是如此腦殘。
2008-07-24 @ 21:59
迴響 from: 黑兄 [訪問者] · http://zvx911.blogspot.com/
洪詩腳上的白色果凍是我的產品!
2008-07-24 @ 22:27
迴響 from: FB [訪問者]
分析的好
我支持妳踢爆這種廢新聞
杜絕媒體亂世的行為....遠比假考有意義多了
而且英文還只考6分?
怎麼考的?
當年號稱英文10年來最難的一年
我考英文作文+手寫就比他總分高好幾倍了
這種人也敢好意思來發起這活動
2008-07-24 @ 22:30
迴響 from: 陸仁賈 [訪問者]
1. 我覺得正妹腿上的不是飯粒, 是某種奇怪的果醬乾掉後的殘留物
2. 既然要辦活動, 乾脆也來個活動名, 就叫"萬人假宅網聚", 順便請薛記者採訪, 出現的人應該會超過5個, 想必新聞相片會比上面那張5隻小貓要壯觀...
2008-07-24 @ 22:37
迴響 from: wahaha [訪問者] · http://www.wahaha.com.tw
朱大蒐集新聞資料昀功力的確厲害
真的,如果只是很順的看新聞看過去
真的會被唬住
結果才幾個人
被這幾個人點到名的學校
真的是倒楣
朱大說的對...被點名了,學生自然不會去唸
壓力太大了啊...
2008-07-24 @ 22:40
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
哇 前五十??
成績越來越差
洪詩~過來~給朱哥哥抱一下
2008-07-24 @ 22:42
迴響 from: 神雞老鳥 [訪問者]
>Lin [訪問者]
>你的邏輯非常的差, 高中課程所教的東西, 絕大多數不是我們日常生活會用到的. 學習只是一個過程, 在經過10幾年以後, 怎麼可能還完全記得當初所學的東西?
>如果你把阿扁抓過來考試, 我看他大概也拿不到164分, 這樣他也是你口中的成績低落的極端份子囉.
>按照你那低俗的邏輯, 我們是不是應該要求所有政府官員每年都來參加一次指定考試, 把那些分數達不到大師標準的廢渣中的廢渣全部革職?
>再說, 假考部隊的目的根本就不是考高分, 反倒是以低分能達成目標才更增添其諷刺性. 這樣你明白了嗎?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

樓上的
我覺得你的邏輯才有問題
國高中所教的東西
怎麼會用不到呢
基礎教育是生活的根本
連那個寫小說的 G8九把刀
都能把最無用的化學公式套進小說裏
如果說你都用不到
那不是用不到
而是你根本不知道
在學校都在甲賽打混
你的學校讓你畢業
才該是被淘汰的學校

學習不只是過程,還是經驗!!!!
機會是留給有能力的人
能力是靠經驗累積出來的
不同的經驗累積出不同的能力
將不同的能力運用在不同的地方才是教育真正的初衷

有很多人在學校時苦苦哀求老師讓他及格
事後再來說那個老師讓每個同學都及格不配當一個教育者
得了便宜又賣乖
這種人才是可恥

樓上的
你太小看這些政客了
能在議事殿堂上大放厥辭
表示他的舉一反三能力比一般死老百姓來的快
不要說兩個月
我相信只要他們的助理把重點畫出來
他們只要兩天就可以考200分以上

英文考6分
哈哈哈哈
真不知他碩士怎麼考的
像這種學店
才該被淘汰吧



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.....中.......................
2008-07-24 @ 22:43
迴響 from: Marigold [訪問者]
問題是…朱大…
最後那張照片,女生的腳好像有沾到白色液體耶!
這這這,這就是利用攝影鏡頭所展現出來的威力嗎!?
不愧是攝影大濕~~~



離題了…囧
2008-07-24 @ 22:44
迴響 from: UNDER [訪問者]
你的邏輯非常的差你的邏輯非常的差你的邏輯非常的差你的邏輯非常的差你的邏輯非常的差你的邏輯非常的差你的邏輯非常的差你的邏輯非常的差

等著拿爆米花XD
2008-07-24 @ 22:44
迴響 from: 歐蒐雷米歐 [訪問者] · http://liohimo.blogspot.com
考160多分這樣的人居然還敢大言不慚說自己要消滅爛系所,都沒想到倘使沒有這些爛系所,這傢伙哪還有學校可讀?簡直是自婊的最高境界。

八卦版的討論說,那個Hero本身就是稻X的學生,自己都巴著稻X的學歷不放了,卻在那邊批評想讀的學生,實在有夠要不得。只許州官放火,不許百姓點燈?

而且我一直認為他是否因為稻X太爛,所以故意搞這種新聞出來,想妨礙那些願意花錢讀車尾大學的人放棄就讀,這樣他稻X畢業出來至少還是大學生,可以踩著那些被他們「假考」掉的「進不了大學的人」,只要讀大學的人愈少,就愈少人踩在他稻X的上面,164分也敢出來淘汰爛系所?自己不要被淘汰就好了吧…嗆別人說18分總分怎麼考的,我看大家更想問他英文6分是怎麼考的吧?
2008-07-24 @ 22:47
迴響 from: Gold [訪問者]
朱大,謝謝你的精闢分析!本來我還想衝去報名這個活動的說....

另外請教一下,宅男聚會的場地會是在哪裡呢?很想趕緊報名的說!

謝謝你!
2008-07-24 @ 22:54
迴響 from: 宅之霸 [訪問者]
阿宅手貼褲縫貼好緊!!!
就是這樣才會變成阿宅呀!!!
左手是用來幹嘛的~~~~不是只有拿衛生紙的啊!!!
2008-07-24 @ 22:57
迴響 from: 啊哩噗 [訪問者]
婊的太爽了
真是熱血沸騰
2008-07-24 @ 23:08
完了完了完了....
我還沒有存足夠的錢買PSP阿....
靠....PDA手機可以連線啥....
完了完了完了......
可以選在有無線上網的地方嗎????
哪我至少還可以帶notebook去....
2008-07-24 @ 23:24
迴響 from: 列奧雷黛斯 [訪問者]
這群人根本就是英勇的「三百撞士」阿!
阿嗚!阿嗚!阿嗚!
2008-07-25 @ 00:09
迴響 from: urcocky [訪問者]
恕我直說
就是有些這些人寵壞只會一些只會寫聳動標題的記者
我猜這些人應該讀過大學
或正在讀大學吧?
這些人新聞寫什麼就看什麼、信什麼的
既沒獨立思考能力
也沒判斷力 做事更不果決
有些學者還愛在報紙上投稿發表看法
鄉民就算了
虧他們還是做學問的人 一點也不嚴謹
沒完全搞懂就自以為是的高談闊論
尤其有些說剝奪受教育權的最可笑 完全沒邏輯性
拜託趕快去抗議今年訂最低錄取分數的十間大學
怎麼可以剝奪60分以下上大學的權力呢?
之前在吠教育權的人呢?

建議那些人去讀空大跟社區大學 資源很多
別跟我說在空大就會減低你的求知慾
術業有專攻 求學與專業並不會相衝突
廣設大學的錯已經造成
只能督促有權改機制的人修正

除非你跟我說你會持續光顧一家爛餐館
只是為了他的工作權!
可別抵制消費來加速他改變喔!

Incidentally, I am sorry to inform you that I am a volunteer for the campaign. Although my score is not so high as "Mr. Donkey"(27 lower than he in math with same points in English), it's enough to reveal that the fact contradicts your theory.
2008-07-25 @ 00:13
迴響 from: 便當 [訪問者]
男子漢講了就要辦
現場應該要發A片福袋吧
2008-07-25 @ 00:21
迴響 from: 哀rene [訪問者]
如果是很常"參考"報紙新聞然後做採訪的台灣電視網路媒體就算了
居然是報社記者= =
台灣媒體有到這麼隨便嗎= =
不知道記者到底有沒有認真追究除了哪幾個人剩下的跑到哪去了???
是趕截稿懶得採訪只聯絡幾個主要的人???
還是除了那幾個人其他都不出面不給採訪???
還是被主辦人呼攏過去了???

不過這種事情很容易嘴砲
雷聲大雨點小
說不定主辦人也很委屈上百假考同志怎麼突然人間蒸發......
2008-07-25 @ 00:23
迴響 from: swanky [訪問者] · http://swanbear.blogspot.com/
大家看圖看超仔細的~
我自己弄照片時都沒有注意到...
那白白的應該是牆上剝落的油漆屑啦!
2008-07-25 @ 00:29
迴響 from: Claudia [訪問者]
這個記者好像很常在寫這種"假新聞"。對他來說,寫這種新聞的好處就是不用外出採訪,只要等著被餵新聞稿就好...多便利啊~~

朱大要不要來發起個"拯救宅宅"的活動,主旨是為了減少台灣的宅男數量,這筆消滅爛戲所還稱的上是功德一件啊...
2008-07-25 @ 00:39
迴響 from: 愛科科 [訪問者]
熱門話題大家都愛討論啊?
http://blog.pixnet.net/SpinalCord/post/20414410
2008-07-25 @ 00:43
迴響 from: 失憶老人 [訪問者]
我比較想知道發起人hero有這種動機的原因在哪裡

有辦學只為營利的學校、但也有明知其為爛校仍肯就學的學生和家長
周瑜打黃蓋,一個願打一個願挨
我不能批評什麼。

總的來說,只因為整個社會的價值觀扭曲了
學歷高一個等級,薪水就能高一個等級
不問實力只看學歷
所以死命也要擠上大學
這是整個大環境的錯

我還滿懷念當年錄取率3分之1的年代
大家相約到校搶圖書館、訂計劃表、戴耳塞、拼命苦讀的蒼白青春(囧……其實沒什麼好說嘴的)
我英文只有高三時的程度最好啊…(拭淚)

(已經在囈語不清楚自己說些什麼了)
2008-07-25 @ 00:56
很好
我又目幹了
之前我才在劉真的八掛被公布N篇之後出來敲碗過
現在我又要開始往回找哪邊有阿宅聚會
順帶一提的是
如果阿宅聚會帶正妹去
是會被視為脫宅的成功典範還是會被攆出會場?
2008-07-25 @ 01:06
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
Well,上面還有人說你是參與這個活動的志願者。

好呀,我說我是蝙蝠俠你信不信?

Lucifer

我還說我不只是蝙蝠俠,我身後還有千千萬萬個蝙蝠俠你信不信?

呿,兩件事情,第一,證明給大家看你是這次的考生,也是這個活動的參與者。

第二,證明你自己認識除了文章內的五個受訪者之外,還知道其他的九十五名假考部隊確實存在。(我給你最底限一百零一人,扣掉你還有一百人。)

2008-07-25 @ 01:28
迴響 from: Chieeh [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
回某一樓
小弟現在在念的學校,的確很有機會被五人假考部隊幹掉= =

再回某一樓
小弟一直以為在巴X姆特才會有官方消毒用工讀生
沒想到這邊也會有就是了,GJ,想伸臉來被阿宅鞭,這樣做就對了

話說,高雄場的宅距真的陣亡了嗎ˊˋ
我好想親眼見到,翻譯我家書架上那三本書的摔角選手(誤

我覺得我們需要的不是讓人想念就有大學讀的自由

而是對於大學生及技職體系畢業者應有的尊重及自重吧

是要量產敦四年後無所精專、不務正業的大學生

還是多培養少數的學術菁英及大量的技職人才

這種簡單的選擇題真的有那麼難懂嗎= =?
2008-07-25 @ 01:30
迴響 from: 宅仔 [訪問者]
我淺水好久了...
看完這篇忍不住豎起大拇指
您真是英雄!!!
2008-07-25 @ 01:31
迴響 from: cchien [訪問者] · http://blog.pixnet.net/cchien

阿宅聚會有沒有網路連線造福一下美國鄉民

2008-07-25 @ 01:32
迴響 from: g52 [訪問者]
五個人組什麼假考部隊阿,真沒志氣...
組個KERORO小隊先征服地球,再改造社會不是很好嗎~
2008-07-25 @ 01:39
迴響 from: Chi兒 [訪問者]
朱大,8/16也是海賊版的版聚耶~~
我都好想去.....哭哭
2008-07-25 @ 01:59
迴響 from: UNDER [訪問者]
對了 阿宅聚會有限制報名才能參加嗎 還有地點已經決定了嗎qq"

如果之前說過的話 我承認我沒爬文XD
2008-07-25 @ 02:00
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
嗯嗯,Google一下翁英修會看到很多有趣的事情。

Lucifer

7-15 翁英修
編序:44
講師:翁英修
學歷:台南藝術大學音像紀錄所碩士
現職:紀錄片工作者

學期別 台南社大開課紀錄
95年第二學期 口碑電影院-大眾電影學(未開)

http://www.coolloud.org.tw/node/5533

要真是這個人的話,他在這篇文章中口口聲聲為弱勢族群辯護,現在卻成了壓迫低分考生的活動發起者......

黑暗騎士果然說的沒錯呀!

要嘛你英年早逝成為英雄,要嘛你長命百歲成為惡棍......

Lucifer
2008-07-25 @ 02:07
迴響 from: 非宅 [訪問者]
朱佬是臭阿宅,整天亂分析,而且這篇不好笑

可不可以…跳著看
2008-07-25 @ 02:09
迴響 from: 簡尼夫。德萊尼 [訪問者] · http://www.gamebase.com.tw/mybase/kenneth1991/
沒耐心看…



快樂的簡尼夫…
Blades of Chaos!!!
2008-07-25 @ 02:15
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
樓上不要再抓A片啦。

Lucifer
2008-07-25 @ 02:17
關於假考部隊:從真理大學數學系談起。

http://blogs.myoops.org/lucifer.php/2008/07/24/p354#more354
2008-07-25 @ 02:20
迴響 from: visiteur [訪問者]
真的有聚會阿??我好像沒跟到。 (._.?)
2008-07-25 @ 02:39
迴響 from: 鄉民roger [訪問者]
當初覺得這活動給我的感覺就是一堆人在自high
自以為只要去佔掉那些名額,學校就會倒閉
他們到底有沒有考慮過那些成績不好卻想真心向學的人呢?
這種活在自以為是正義裡的人,還真是病的不清

以前我還拿夜神月跟你們拿來比較
現在一看根本就不配,拿來比較還太侮辱夜神月了
2008-07-25 @ 02:42
迴響 from: ptt鄉民 [訪問者] · http://ptt.cc
我去參加假考部隊的時候
還在同一個考場遇見我高中同學
這樣就二個人了
我們都沒接受訪問
只是單純看見新聞就報名參加
2008-07-25 @ 02:45
迴響 from: ptt鄉民 [訪問者] · http://ptt.cc
我今年參加假考部隊 完全只是覺得零分上大學太誇張
今年我也缺考三科 因為早上睡過頭
我只考了 數甲 生物 化學三科 總分198
化學只有寫選擇題 因為填充題要計算沒辦法猜 我懶得寫
我也是完全沒準備就去考試 我也不是什麼台大的學生
如果連我這樣都可以考198 那些考五科六科的學生總分零分
說他很用功唸書實在說不過去
2008-07-25 @ 02:48
迴響 from: alberto [訪問者]
應該是承受阿宅們的怨氣攻擊
誰想碾你出場就要身旁的正妹說出想要吃宵夜之類的通關密語,就能啟動阿宅條件反射機制把那討厭的阿宅趕出會場。不過使用時請注意音量,萬一阿宅們都跑光剩下幾個假阿宅也不用聚了
2008-07-25 @ 02:53
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
嗯嗯,樓樓上說的有理,原先五個人可以變成上百個人,這樣的放大基數大概是二十倍左右。

現在你(我們假設你存在)在考場還真他媽的巧遇到了高中同學,這樣你們就有四十個人了!

Lucifer

而且隔壁搞不好還有你國小同學和國中同學以及大學同學。這樣加一加又有五個人,換句話說假考部隊其實根本就有兩百人!

因為人人都是假考部隊!
2008-07-25 @ 02:53
迴響 from: ptt鄉民 [訪問者] · http://ptt.cc
而且我不懂英文考六分有什麼好嘲笑的
人家都畢業多年沒有在念英文了
一般人如果不是念外文系 上了大學以後英文程度多多少少會退步
這是很正常的事情

我高中應屆英文考60
結果過二年重考 完全沒準備 英文只考了48
因為上了大學比較少念英文就退步了
像英文作文 如果一二年沒練習寫 有些諺語真的會忘記

劉小姐台大畢業多年 現在教材都改變了 他還考182
而且他是自學沒有去重考班補習 平常還要工作及照顧小孩
這十幾年間 教材變化多次 台灣史比重增加 這都是他以前沒念過的
她那個年代還要考三民主義
我認為他這樣成績也不算差
比起那些自稱高中念三年書結果考上稻江的小孩 好太多了

2008-07-25 @ 02:56
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
我最敬愛的李家同教授說,英文不好的人乾脆別念大學!

樓上要不要重新思考你有沒有資格讀大學!(←李家同說的不是我說的!)

Lucifer


2008-07-25 @ 03:00
迴響 from: ptt鄉民 [訪問者] · http://ptt.cc
英文60都比高標高了....

那些低於60的全部都要去死是嗎?

你要不要說說你當年英文幾分? 那你呢?

(興伯的語氣出現)

hero當年的英文我是不知道幾分 報紙上沒說
但是他從高中畢業到現在也快二十年 英文都忘記了 也沒什麼大不了
你去問你爸媽高中的三角函數看他還記不記得
2008-07-25 @ 03:06
迴響 from: 讀者 [訪問者]
我是住高雄 還是希望朱大可以開高雄的場次 朱大 高雄也是宅男的聚集地呀 好歹小夫也有建設過這裡呀 (握拳)
2008-07-25 @ 03:22
迴響 from: UV [訪問者]


嗯...........

 (摸下巴)



2008-07-25 @ 03:25
迴響 from: Shuyi [訪問者]
What do people think of long acrylic nails? Why are girls in Taiwan so into acrylic nails these days? Do men really think acrylic nails look sexy and suggestive?
2008-07-25 @ 03:26
迴響 from: 妮妮 [訪問者]
那個M型社會,也是M假的,媒體真是很會tiger人
2008-07-25 @ 03:39
迴響 from: 燒仙草 [訪問者]
哇 薛記者我還工作上有接觸
以前民X報,後來回到聯合
跑勞委會的時候還蠻用心的阿
只能說「加油 好嗎」
2008-07-25 @ 03:45
迴響 from: 哀rene [訪問者]
ppt鄉民
你到底有沒有看懂朱大在"科科科......"之後到"Lucifer"之前的那幾行啊????

還有
李家同教授說英文不好的人乾脆別念大學!
那麼我大膽揣測李教授應該對假考行動頗為讚賞吧
2008-07-25 @ 03:48
迴響 from: 溪洲阿宅 [訪問者]
yahoo搜尋

【紀錄片工作者的社會參與】

曾經在電視台做過十三年的攝影記者翁英修,目前致力於紀錄片獨立創作。翁英修導演與大家分享拍攝紀錄片的經驗,日前在部落格上發起了『萬人考大學、猛藥救教育』的活動,造成相當大的轟動以及討論,目前也已經網羅一百多人參與。




想當英雄又怕死,搞革命卻怕性命不保,躲躲藏藏的搞神秘咧......
2008-07-25 @ 04:11
迴響 from: 亂入是王道 [訪問者]

to Shuyi:
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迴響來自: 秋名山之恥 [訪問者]
正妹的膝蓋上有飯粒...
可以容我用舌頭將飯粒撢掉嗎...(羞)

迴響來自: 戰鬥民族賽亞人 [訪問者]
最後一張圖
美眉的膝蓋有可疑的白色果凍!

迴響來自:黑兄 [訪問者]
洪詩腳上的白色果凍是我的產品!

迴響來自: 陸仁賈 [訪問者]
1. 我覺得正妹腿上的不是飯粒, 是某種奇怪的果醬乾掉後的殘留物

迴響來自: Marigold [訪問者]
問題是…朱大…
最後那張照片,女生的腳好像有沾到白色液體耶!
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That's the answer!!! Who cares about the acrylic nails!!!
2008-07-25 @ 04:13
迴響 from: vita---一個人在途上 [訪問者]

>迴響來自: ptt鄉民 [訪問者] · http://ptt.cc
我今年參加假考部隊 完全只是覺得零分上大學太誇張>

「零分上大學」,我記得這是最近大學考試成績出爐時,這個詞開始常常出現(印象中)
為什麼ptt鄉民先生在加入假考部隊,報名考試時,
就已經知道今年開始會有零分上大學這個情形??
而且還肯定到,讓你在報名時,
「完全只是」為這個原因報名????
2008-07-25 @ 04:24
迴響 from: 賈不妙 [訪問者]
啊! 母校被戰了...
不過死的是校友不是貧道,
那她活該倒楣

還有
假考部隊?有這新聞喔?
另外,這交由市場決定就好不是嗎?
有人要招生 有人要唸書...2廂情願嘛

至於值不值 爛不爛
又需要記者論斷?
2008-07-25 @ 05:11
迴響 from: nornor [訪問者]
那些假考部隊還啥鬼的人根本沒搞清楚問題在哪

台灣的問題不在大學太多

在大學的教育制度與方式

美國還想送更多人上大學咧
2008-07-25 @ 06:24
迴響 from: 傑克貝斯 [訪問者]
台灣的新聞記者報新聞時
不須舉證 被發現造假又不用負責
難怪會成為事端製造機...

"18分到底是怎麼考的?我也很懷疑"
可是hero只有英文只有考6分耶
他們這個團體很不團結喔
起內鬨了捏~
2008-07-25 @ 07:45
迴響 from: Benjamin [訪問者]
【 萬人考大學即將和大家面對面了】

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/hero1999tw/10306834

看來...對方在準備集結兵力浮上檯面了.....。

以上
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2008-07-25 @ 09:13
迴響 from: Magician [訪問者]
第一次留言只因為太喜歡你這篇了
正義? 炒名聲? Who knows?
不過同理可證 要弄點假新聞造神或滅神真的很容易
加上大家都喜歡一窩蜂的起鬨
很想實驗看看用這樣的模式可不可以影響到股市
在一堆媒體跟著起乩的情況下
或許還真的會發酵
2008-07-25 @ 09:47
迴響 from: 鼎 [訪問者]
朱大身為閱聽人當然可以質疑新聞真假(不論最後是真是假)

記者證明新聞為真只是基本的工作道德(就算最後動員成功)

聯合報最愛亂報了 之前還說馬囧選上總統了

現在明明是民進黨執政阿

不然政論節目怎麼都還在罵民進黨呢

阿看到洪詩就想到我要變成硬柿子裡的孫詩詩(陳意涵)

她(陳意涵)超正的 眼睛比咕魯還要大

可以請朱大版主貼圖分享嗎

阿我們高雄要聚會的遠遠超過5人假考部隊(10人假聚會部隊)

朱大很過分 說其他地點都沒人 李昆霖跟他老婆不是人嗎!!!(我們是阿宅不是人...)
2008-07-25 @ 09:56
迴響 from: joba.c [訪問者]
我要是那個「假萬人考大學部隊」的話一定拿這個來向各私校勒索,威脅他們有人敢不繳規費的話我就在御用媒體上放話,說該校是已被本部隊鎖定要淘汰的所謂「爛校」,讓不聽話的學校招不到學生或拉不到贊助。什麼制度啊教育啊的,都是講給阿飄聽的啦…科科
2008-07-25 @ 10:05
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
挖靠自稱PTT鄉民的人現在考差就有理由了,什麼畢業太久啦,什麼當日拉肚子啦,什麼作文沒寫不然可以更高啦.....

為什麼你可以找理由,那些分數考不高的高中生就活該被你們迫害?

邏輯零分!我懷疑你根本沒資格上大學!(←模仿納粹狀)

Lucifer

我當年英文好像單手考也快九十吧,拿這個出來比真是太遜啦科科科。

李昆霖因為人無信就是畜生,所以的確不是人。
2008-07-25 @ 10:08
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
另外看到讓人相當失望的是,比利潘醫師竟然參與這種與聯合報一搭一唱的團體所辦的活動呢!以前追求真相的努力怎麼都變成這樣.....唉。

不知道他會不會在現場踢爆對方操弄媒體的動作呢?

Lucifer
2008-07-25 @ 10:10
迴響 from: 哇哈哈 [訪問者]
假考部隊不管真實實力到底怎麼樣
就算他們考再好 他們的本來理念就不是要考好學校
目標本來就放在最底層學校 (如某18分教授酒駕撞死學生大學)
所以當然考個168意思意思差不多
你考的200分去報 對方可能馬上自己就認為你是假考部隊 不收你勒
還是那句老話 你自己自己學校好 何必怕嫩嫩假考部隊
2008-07-25 @ 10:12
迴響 from: scharoun [訪問者] · http://blog.roodo.com/scharoun
非讀大學不可嗎?不管假考部隊的成員幾何,至少他們達到了讓我們注意“非常低分”上大學的問題,或許有人提到,有些人很想上大學但只考能考這麼低分,但我覺得,真想上大學,不會考那麼低分,那只能說他們並沒有那麼想唸大學。既然如此,何不先上職場火線試鍊一下,找找看自己真正的興趣,再回頭來唸也來得及。總比莫名其妙唸了個系,又很不幸的莫名其妙畢了業,然後空有文憑去作其實他高中畢業就可以去作的工作,不是嗎?
2008-07-25 @ 10:15
迴響 from: 正咩...??? - 薑母島的陳林西施女士兒... [訪問者]

(驚!!)
〝好人〞這兩個字威力這麼大啊...

盧卡斯兒..
你來晚了兒..
我的照片很久以前有貼過兒了...XDDD

話說..
我跟我們家MIS宅會說上話的..
只有MSN..

我:XX~~MSN又不能上了...
宅:喔好..我看一下...
我:嗯!掰~~

XDDDDD
2008-07-25 @ 10:16
迴響 from: 不要讓我有能力站起來 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/kmvsnm
其實這個假考部隊的構想起點就是錯的,就是以犯案計畫而言,設計方式完全錯誤
因為,就算你今年癱瘓了這個科系,讓他沒註冊的學生又怎樣,你能連續四年都如此做到嗎?
沒有延續性的話,他都可以只用原來的資源苦撐到有新生入校為止(你總得讓舊生續念吧!不然畢業證書怎麼寫?還是來辦場全系轉系考?),
再來,就算只有個位數的學生入學又有什麼關係呢!讓他都去別系選課就行,這個系一樣不用倒!
所以假考部隊根本無法在一次指考倒任何系,這樣大家看懂了嗎!

怎樣才能倒系呢? joker有說了:加入你們,然後擾亂,盡情的玩!
正確快速的作法:讓系裡的學生都轉考離去,這比較迅速確實吧!

話再說回來,系所消失有什麼意義呢?
學校還是在,它可以存活的系來分組招生,一樣繼續開店
要看見演化論存在,不是一兩年就能看得見
2008-07-25 @ 10:22
迴響 from: 貴妃 [訪問者]
原本以為是簽書會耶,
怎麼變成宅男聚會了??

2008-07-25 @ 10:26
迴響 from: L [訪問者]
「他們到底有沒有考慮過那些成績不好卻想真心向學的人呢?」

真正有心向學的人是不會只考18分的...
2008-07-25 @ 10:30
迴響 from: 影仔 [訪問者]
Lucifer
我當年英文好像單手考也快九十吧...


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雙手考會比較強嗎...

連腳都抬上桌子寫考卷一定更強XD
2008-07-25 @ 10:39
迴響 from: 幻影思念 [訪問者]
媒體的無腦
已經無法讓我驚訝啦
2008-07-25 @ 10:43
迴響 from: cyber runner [訪問者] · http://orz18.blogspot.com/
一 與 二 是啥意思阿?

還有另一隻手 那個朝下的四...

是正妹密碼阿?
2008-07-25 @ 10:51
迴響 from: 服務生 [訪問者]
其實現在後段學校幾乎都有收不滿的問題,但是都搞了些獨立招生來補缺額

就算真的堵住指考似乎也沒什麼實質用處,他還是有辦法去收剛好落榜或是想混學歷的學生...

我高中同學他當初什麼考試都沒報,在校成績大概除了國文其他都不及格

也果跑去考個獨招一樣有日間部能念,因為他只考國文= =

教育普及這方面的用意是好的,但是很多學校卻沒有盡到教育責任才是應該改進的,當然我覺得要先改掉的是我們學生的學習態度

有不少大學教授不是不想教,而是學生翹課的翹課睡覺的睡覺沒人理他

這方面我覺得那些教授ˋ學校也滿無奈的
2008-07-25 @ 10:53
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
對於此事,我只想說,初衷不壞,做法可議
社會運動固然需要熱血,更需要周密計劃在背後支援
套句對岸的用語,現在的狀況跟本就是無組織無紀律
考試還遲到? 睡太晚? 不會請警車載你嗎? 身為一個考生前一天早睡是必備常識好嗎

被踢爆後才要緊急動員搞個萬人見面簽手會,一整個就是手忙腳亂見招拆招
不可取也,足列社會運動錯誤示範之教材
2008-07-25 @ 11:06
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
迴響來自: ptt鄉民 [訪問者] ·
你要不要說說你當年英文幾分? 那你呢?
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現在人真的都只有熱血沒有腦袋了嗎?
來踢館都不做功課的
老朱是做啥起家的要不要去打聽打聽?
至於朱媽媽的三角函數...我也不知道好不好
我只知道最近朱媽媽比較少叫朱大吃包子XDD
2008-07-25 @ 11:12
迴響 from: Ca413 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/cat413
宅男聚會 +1

不會約在大直g排門口吧...XD
2008-07-25 @ 11:12
迴響 from: MOCCA [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/jerryhsu/


還好我沒有養成跟正妹合照的習慣!

透露個小祕訣!

請多練練攝影技巧,但是不要想一開始就想流著口水拍正妹!

請從拍風景主題開始,多練習構圖!

我也是拍風景拍了快一年多,才敢跟天借膽去參加外拍!

根據非正式統計,女生絕大部分喜歡拍風景,

所以請各位多多投其所好吧! 這樣才有個好開始!

大家共勉之! 所以我也還有很大的進步空間~~!
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那個百人斬活動,看起來真有趣!不過應該會有很多跟隨者吧!




2008-07-25 @ 11:20
迴響 from: 山頂洞人 [訪問者] · http://simon-axland.blogspot.com
病的不是教育而是媒體
2008-07-25 @ 11:33
迴響 from: both2992 [訪問者]
我發現~
愈多人來搶頭香(還很沾沾自喜的說我第幾名)的文章
其內容愚蠢度都和報號人數成正比
我還以為我在看爆笑漫畫誌咧
2008-07-25 @ 11:41
迴響 from: both2992 [訪問者]
我發現~
愈多人來搶頭香(還很沾沾自喜的說我第幾名)的文章
其內容愚蠢度都和報號人數成正比
我還以為我在看爆笑漫畫誌咧
2008-07-25 @ 11:43
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體.之.喵的花美男 [訪問者]
我終於看完了~
感想~需要消化一下才能夠產生出來。
2008-07-25 @ 11:52
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者]
請問聚會報名截止了嗎?
2008-07-25 @ 12:01
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者]
請問聚會報名截止了嗎?
2008-07-25 @ 12:05
迴響 from: 新鮮人 [訪問者]
這些號稱"第三勢力"的媒體工作者
自身本職學能我早就懷疑他們的能力了
還自以為沾沾自喜的操弄閱讀者

無法要求他們 只能自己自求多福..

爛爛爛....
2008-07-25 @ 12:19
迴響 from: 簡尼夫。德萊尼 [訪問者] · http://www.gamebase.com.tw/mybase/kenneth1991/
怎麼朱大叔老是覺得我是「那種人」
現在我的電腦根本沒有A片
我也沒有再看A片…



快樂的簡尼夫…
Blades of Chaos!!!
2008-07-25 @ 12:27
迴響 from: 野原小白 [訪問者]
網路資源有限!
討論 台灣哪裡沒生病(如果有的話)
好像會比較好,

然後再補上一句,
"除此之外,其他都真的病了!"
2008-07-25 @ 12:29
迴響 from: 鼎 [訪問者]
假考部隊他們想凸顯的問題 說的都很對也問題很嚴重

問題是假考部隊的作法不對 (要達到目的不只不擇手段還擇了很笨的手段)

因為這樣做會傷害到別人(尤其是學生,校方我管他去死)

就好像白米炸彈客一樣 他想凸顯農民的困境

但是亂放炸彈在捷運站的作法就不對 而且很容易傷及無辜 (建議他放總統府或立法院或農委會)

之前新聞報導說他有女兒了 還笑嘻嘻的

我想知道如果以後他女兒長大後要搭捷運時 沒注意到地上有包東西寫著這是炸彈(可能是阿宅工程師變成行動碟炸彈客 抗議把不到妹)

被炸傷亡時 他還笑的出來嗎 (有種像王幸男一樣寄給國民黨高官)

要突顯問題達到目的 也要慎選手段

我認為朱大在此發出正義之聲 比記者只會宣傳不會思考來的對社會有貢獻

2008-07-25 @ 12:35
迴響 from: urcocky [訪問者]
我只能證明我是這次的考生,也是這個活動的參與者
下面是我上網查詢成績時printscreen的圖檔
http://0rz.tw/a04qY
沒有身份證是查不到的 而且我查完後也已經資料保密 沒有人可以在查的到
歡迎請高手看看有沒有修過圖檔
真的很抱歉
我沒辦法證明有超過一百零一個人參予
就像發起人說的 我們幾乎都是自動自發響應 獨自行動的

接下來就換Mr.朱證明你是蝙蝠俠了!
不用證明你身後有千千萬萬個蝙蝠俠
(你也寫你跟小丑打鬥的過程也可以)
2008-07-25 @ 12:47
迴響 from: 正咩...??? [訪問者]

最近很少看新聞...
版面不是郭台銘就是劉嘉玲..
因為我的心思都放在〝命中注定我愛你〞

XDDDD

不過...
這個假考部隊還滿有創意的...
只是消滅黑心科系這點...

我一直參不透...囧"

2008-07-25 @ 12:55
迴響 from: 反妹 [訪問者]
跟KERORO小隊的人數一樣多
可以消滅地球
2008-07-25 @ 12:57
迴響 from: 鼎 [訪問者]
迴響來自: urcocky [訪問者]
我只能證明我是這次的考生,也是這個活動的參與者
我沒辦法證明有超過一百零一個人參予
就像發起人說的 我們幾乎都是自動自發響應 獨自行動的
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我個人很好奇要問的

像這種新聞一定會吸引一定的人數參與

但是我想知道的是
只要有去主辦單位那裡留言的人就算 (超過一百人留言)
還是主辦單位有確實掌握報考人名人數的物證(這個最具體 但仍可事後動員)
還是像您這種自發性自動參與沒有跟主辦單位講的(這個我相信有很多 但跟主辦單位宣稱的無關吧)
(這分成三個層次 連紅衫軍都要分成動員跟自發性的)

歡迎解答





2008-07-25 @ 13:09
迴響 from: 鼎 [訪問者]
不爽假考 稻江應語系擬反制
2008/07/25
【聯合報╱記者黃煌權/嘉義縣報導】
稻江科技管理學院昨天發表聲明,表示稻江應用語文系畢業生就業率高,表現也不錯,假考部隊把應語系列為攻擊對象,形同剝奪學生就學權。多位畢業校友也說,假考部隊做法等於否定他們過去的努力,「令人超級不爽的!」不排除反制。

吳姓畢業生在她的部落格留言說,她是稻江應語系第一屆畢業生,現在很多企業的碩士生35000元起新,她大學畢業薪水32000元,這樣的薪水說多還是少?「你們站在牆外說風涼話,等於否定了我們四年的努力」。

林姓學生說,假考部隊這種做法太過分,這群人蓄意要將應語系汙名化,如果任由他們這麼做,未來學生畢業後,很可能找不到好工作。林姓學生說,廢不廢系是由教育部及學生決定,並非少數人決定。

吳姓畢業生則表示,昨天校友們得知此事後,大家都非常激動,正醞釀提出反制動作。

稻江昨天發出聲明強調,應語系94至96年畢業生約200人,就業率84%,其中擔任外語翻譯的有51%,從事外語教學33%。除了就業,考取研究所的成績也很不錯。

校方表示,該系學生參加校外活動表現也相當亮眼。95年全國英語口說及聽力測驗高級組拿下前三名。96年嘉義縣舉辦全國燈會,應語系同學擔任外語接待翻譯工作,令人刮目相看。

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聯合報真是會自己創造議題 自己消費議題

假考部隊(除了手段錯誤的發起人外)對教育問題的熱心 卻很可能傷害用功的學生 ㄞ 一些脫團又入團又脫團的假宅男 也一直傷害我們這些資深宅男

2008-07-25 @ 13:22
迴響 from: 山羊科科 [訪問者]
朱大破解完成!!!
2008-07-25 @ 13:23
迴響 from: urcocky [訪問者]
謝謝指教
基本上我們在部落格都用悄悄話聯繫
放榜那天發起人有來虧我說國文歷史地理考比我高xD

你們真的不用期待把每個人都挖出來
就像我們不會去網路上暴力搜尋把你們挖出來一樣
2008-07-25 @ 13:24
迴響 from: kuroro [訪問者]
喔,順便預告一下,台北場的阿宅聚會預計在八月十六號下午到晚上之間舉行==>我要報名喔

2008-07-25 @ 13:36
迴響 from: 想要參加假考部隊的人 [訪問者]
我是覺得,其實台灣教育體制讓我無法接受的是...順應大眾的想法廣設大學,變成沒有什麼鑑別度了...所以連帶的大學學歷也就一點價值也沒有,除了一些國立大學及好科系外,大學學歷別人連看也不會看一眼....這雖然是政府的獻媚,但是這也是台灣各位家長心裏的企盼...這算是一種華人社會的病態吧...萬般皆下品,惟有讀書高....
其實出路,與解決的方法,早在以前台灣就做過了,只是做的還不夠。記得我還在求學的時候(國中),那時候政府對技職體系的輔導,與宣揚讓不少同學真的有一技之長...為什麼我會提這個呢?....這就是台灣的轉機...其實歐洲的某些國家,對於技職體系的看重,改變了我對台灣教育的看法。他們會認為一個好的技師的養成,是需要長時間的培養的...社會中對於技師的看法,也不會像台灣一樣認為做黑手就是比較低階的職業....真正的技術者,看重的是經驗與技術...不但是企業,也國家也是大力扶植這些技術人才...如果台灣也能好好培養這些技術人才...又何需去改制成大學呢?技職體系一樣也能紅得發紫賺大錢...台灣需要的並不是一堆拿著學歷的人卻找不到工作,應該說台灣需要的是各方面的人才,讓所有的人能依著各自的專長,學有所用...
像我是念所謂的名校,就覺得我們學校在這點做的不好...沒錯是讓我們學生們有高深的學問,但是走出學校後才發現....一場空,學校所培育的,並不是社會所需要的人...看著我同學有的去做清潔公司...找一年找不到工作的....學非所用的比比皆是....天阿...只能說是一場噩夢...
2008-07-25 @ 13:45
迴響 from: 便當 [訪問者]
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吳姓畢業生則表示,昨天校友們得知此事後,大家都非常激動,正醞釀提出反制動作。
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怎麼反制...回去念嗎
科科科.............

大學太多...是政府他嗎的教育制度有錯、藍營的教育部長只會嗯..啊...我想...一付中風的樣子;綠營的教育官員也只會在那邊正是不錯的研究乾女兒如何變幹女兒.....
但是...考0分、考18分的還有甚麼資格在那邊屁,考十八分還想念大學,去念啟智班、東森幼幼班吧...

今天假考部隊或許手段激烈了點,但是今時今日我們的國家有為了這個錯誤的大學教育7-11化的狀況做出甚麼措施嗎.....沒有....他奶奶的真的沒有。朱大既然認為假考部隊..不對,那對於現今的大學教育環境,你說該怎麼辦呢?

回朱大一句話:為什麼你可以找理由,那些分數考不高的高中生就活該被你們迫害?我只能講:大學很危險的,分數考不高就去念啟智班吧。今天能在大學聯考拿到一點點所謂好成績的人誰不是有花時間苦讀過,就是朱大本人也應該補過習、念過參考書、去圖書館K書(順便看妹),經過種種努力才拿到一點好成績。今天沒有努力所以有沒有好成績的人...要怪誰,怪你自己吧。今天有努力還是考0分、18分,除非你當天急性盲腸炎,不然就是你IQ有問題,證明我前一句話...還是回火星去念啟智班吧。

致於假考部隊的百人假新聞.....套用一個偉人講的話
蔡啟芳委員:老師都是王八蛋
反正老師都是王八蛋了、那妓者也都是王八蛋



2008-07-25 @ 13:58
迴響 from: 鼎 [訪問者]
迴響來自: urcocky [訪問者]
謝謝指教基本上我們在部落格都用悄悄話聯繫
放榜那天發起人有來虧我說國文歷史地理考比我高xD

--嗯嗯 所以你是去部落格報名 然後有持續在與發起人聯繫但未接受媒體採訪的一份子 但是這樣的人有多少人 你並不清楚是嗎 那發起人應該很清楚囉


你們真的不用期待把每個人都挖出來
就像我們不會去網路上暴力搜尋把你們挖出來一樣

--沒有人想要挖人(當然敢做就敢當) 整個討論應該放在
1.新聞是否造假
2.手段是否正確

朱大就他所找到的新聞稿內容來質疑媒體 並沒有錯 對台灣媒體生態是好的

至於假考部隊的手段作法是否沒有副作用 反而大家可以藉由這個討論來思考

我說過了 你們真的很熱心 但是過程是否正義要能讓人公評

考了不去唸 這是個漏洞 當然可以鑽 但是對台灣教育未必正面
2008-07-25 @ 14:06
迴響 from: vita---她的家鄉。她的綿羊。 [訪問者]
to 便當先生:
我不太能理解,「大學很危險的」,是什麼意思?
還有,也許「今天沒有努力所以有沒有好成績的人」沒錯,
但,沒有「要怪誰」啊,
我只是選擇一間願意接受我的大學就好,
沒要怪誰,
我沒有去干擾別人啊,
別人為什麼要干擾我入學?

大學是很多啊,
高中國中更不少呢,
高中國中很多,
也是教育體制有問題嗎?

「分數考不高就去念啟智班吧」
那出社會後,
所學的都忘光光的人,
要不要重新回去唸啟智班?
2008-07-25 @ 14:14
迴響 from: 山神 [訪問者] · http://godjack0709.blogspot.com/
請問最後一張圖...
那個女的膝蓋上白白的液體是......
2008-07-25 @ 14:24
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體.之.喵的花美男 [訪問者]
小弟我小時候住在台北近郊山區,是一個貧富差距很大的地方。

學校中有許多原住民的家庭&工人的家庭。
小朋友家中要不是父母離異,
要不是兄弟姐妹眾多,
低年級打架把四個年級拉來一起大混戰是常有的事。
而其中原住民都身手矯健,
有了這些原住民小朋友,可以說是運動會的常勝軍,增光不少~
體育獎盃擺滿了整個校長室。

其中有個原住民同學,是羽毛球的校隊。
叫小熊。皮膚黑黑的,笑聲很爽朗。
但我們都知道他父親在交通意外中過世,母親好像也跑了,
就剩奶奶撫養五個小孩,排行第幾我不太記得,
很典型的清寒家庭。

這小朋友在國小不怎麼唸書,體育頒獎倒是常看到,
但每次都被老師寫聯絡部~逼交作業。
不才小時候也很皮,
常跟小熊一起被罰站,可以說是惺惺相惜。

>

國中時我搬家了,一轉眼中學跟著過去,
考上了一間私立大學就讀,
大三當時下課返家,突然在淡水的路邊看到這位仁兄。
雖然怕他認不出我,但還是去跟他打了招呼,
但小熊看到我馬上給我個大大的擁抱。

後來聊天之後才知道,小熊高中唸私立高職餐飲科,
但是從小對於電腦很有興趣,
卻沒有多餘的錢去補習,
因此靠著高職飯店實習的機會,
加上在外打工存錢,
接著重考一年,
考上了一間分數比較後面的大學的資工系,
歡天喜地的牽著他奶奶去看放榜。

所以,他為了這個高等學歷,整整比我晚了兩年才就讀。
而且,不但需要就學貸款,還要扶養他年邁奶奶~!!
但看他寫滿滿的筆記,就知道小熊很用功,
或許他的少年歲月,了解到教育的可貴,因此他特別重視這個就學的機會。

後來跟小熊msn連絡,
果然很用功的考上了國立大學的碩士,
後來的努力,讓他知識及專業遠遠超過同儕。
我相信他以後的收入,也會讓其家庭有好日子過。
這何嘗不是一種成功?

教育是改變命運的機會,
他不也是正在改變命運?

>

現在的教育體制,有人說是病了,有人說是攤了。

於是有些自以為正義的朋友,跑去考聯考說要癱瘓爛系所~
完全是個不尊重考生的行為,不尊重校友的行為,不尊重教育的行為!

用操弄媒體的手段,控制這個跟大眾溝通的窗口,把這個荒謬的行動光榮化,
這些朋友,把認真考試的人放在哪裡?

我無法認同這個抹煞其他人權利的機會!

或許說現在高等教育氾濫,該改革~
那也是該依循正當管道去改革,

但是沒有任何一個人有資格抹煞別人的自由,對吧?

不要自以為革命,因為我們都要尊重別人。
2008-07-25 @ 15:35
迴響 from: 鼎 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 愛的結晶體.之.喵的花美男 [訪問者]
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幹(拭淚) 看到你寫那麼多字 推你一把
2008-07-25 @ 15:41
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體.之.喵的花美男 [訪問者]
dear 鼎大

潛了很久,認真的文都像便祕一樣,
需要打很久。
到現在才浮上水面,

謝推~!! ^^

2008-07-25 @ 15:54
迴響 from: 羊伯特 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/lambert

又模糊焦點了。

朱大的重點在於:
(1)記者未經證實就隨意報導出「百人以上」的假考部隊。
精準正確的新聞,應該就所能掌握以及有採訪到的人數來報導,例如說,記者採訪到五位假考部隊怎樣怎樣的。不然大家就看一個影聲一個小孩(台灣俚語)好了,隨意在數字上誇大。
這方面是對於已經爛很久的新聞媒體提出的抗議。
(2)假考部隊的作法,消極!搞調所謂的爛科系又如何?問題出在整個教育體制,不從此著手,反而去假考,看不出來有什麼意義。

以某些國家教育體制為例,並非人人都得念大學,無意深造者可以考慮技術專門學校,而不是人人都去由你玩四年的大學。但是在台灣,造就了不念大學就沒出息的氛圍,因此人人都得念大學,大學就越來越多,這不是搞掉一兩個所謂的爛科系就可以改變的,而是整體制度上的大錯誤。

又,怎麼有人質疑朱學恆的英文...
去翻翻他的「舊」譯作:魔界三部曲吧...
2008-07-25 @ 16:15
迴響 from: 戰鬥民族賽亞人 [訪問者]
to 愛的結晶體.之.喵的花美男
小熊很上進,我也很感動
但是!小熊肯定不會只考18分或是0分..
2008-07-25 @ 16:21
迴響 from: 羊伯特 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/lambert
to 愛的結晶體:

你說的真好。

先前聽到個說法,
考不好的原因有很多,不過考上了,就是個機會。
對某些不認真的人來說是混了四年,
對某些有心向上的人,
或許是逆轉人生的機會。

我覺得教育體制有很大的問題,
可能不是幾句話就能討論的出來。

理想的狀況是,
讓想透過高等教育改變人生,
或是有心求學的人,
去念大學,
不想念書但是有其他興趣的人,
好好的去研磨技術。
以上兩者都可以回饋社會,
這才是最重要的。

癱瘓了系所,搞垮其他考生,回饋了什麼?
實質上又改變了什麼?

看不太出來。
2008-07-25 @ 16:22
哇哈哈哈哈,
我決定了,8/16就穿女神T去參加!!
(大聲說:有買到女神T的各位大大,要不要一起穿去現場啊???)


2008-07-25 @ 16:25
迴響 from: 正咩...??? [訪問者]

....

還是不習慣這麼跳Tone啊..

XDDD

2008-07-25 @ 16:32
迴響 from: 窮光蛋 [訪問者]
那5個成員中, 有一個叫做 "超過"
還有一個叫做 "一百人"
所以真的有 "超過" "一百人"啊
呵呵^_^
2008-07-25 @ 16:44
迴響 from: 潛水夫 [訪問者]
http://homepage8.seed.net.tw/web@5/changcancan/頂宅對決.jpg

宅妹雙修jump改的圖,給大家笑一笑吧!

有薄炸看之下點像金城五。
2008-07-25 @ 16:52
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
to 塞亞人
這個原住民朋友當初英文真的很差~

to 羊伯特
沒錯,這種粗製濫造~不夠完善的計畫,還沒震撼到上層
就先屠殺了老百姓。

教育要改革,是該從制度改善起吧~?
就算想要搞倒些學店,
但是學店裡就沒有好學生嗎?
經營者有罪,但是學生是無罪的。

這種寧殺一萬的作法,實在失之偏頗。


2008-07-25 @ 16:57
迴響 from: 鼎 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 潛水夫 [訪問者]
http://homepage8.seed.net.tw/web@5/changcancan/頂宅對決.jpg
宅妹雙修jump改的圖,給大家笑一笑吧!
-------------------------------------------------------
感謝潛水夫大大跟宅妹雙修jump兩人同心協力的合作........

那就順便...... 在一起吧!!

在一起12連打!!!在一起!!在一起!!在一起!!在一起!!在一起!!在一起!!在一起!!在一起!!在一起!!在一起!!在一起!!在一起!!在一起!!在一起!!

阿海報整體真的很有感覺(剛聽完陳永基的海報設計演講)...如果英文名字部分也改一下更完美 朱大這個要獎勵了吧!

但是有勃起先就佔了先機 人頭居高臨下 朱大就吃虧了ㄚ(謎之音~就被玩弄了ㄚ~~玩弄玩弄~)


2008-07-25 @ 17:21
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
這個圖十分的讚呀!!幹的好!!
(鼓掌)
2008-07-25 @ 17:24
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
其實我就是蝙蝠俠,但是因為我都是跟美國那個蝙蝠俠聯絡,所以我也不能當場脫下頭套告訴你是蝙蝠俠。

而且我也不能證明其他蝙蝠俠的存在,因為我們都是自發性的獨立行動。

Lucifer

這世界上這麼好騙就愉快啦,今年有十萬個考生,中間有一個人跑上來貼了自己的成績單就說自己是假考部隊,那今年每個考生都可以是假考部隊啦~~~有沒有這麼爽!
2008-07-25 @ 17:32
迴響 from: 貓下去 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 潛水夫 [訪問者]
http://homepage8.seed.net.tw/web@5/changcancan/頂宅對決.jpg
推推
海報超優
可怎沒看到宅獸?
ㄎㄎㄎ
2008-07-25 @ 17:35
迴響 from: kuang [訪問者]
先不管"假考部隊"有多少人
參照"李怡志"的說法
http://www.richyli.com/blog/index.htm
考100多分的"假考部隊"
並不會讓"假考部隊"鎖定的系所消失
反而助長他拉升分數及排名

這是滿有趣的事情
2008-07-25 @ 17:42
迴響 from: vita---她的家鄉。她的綿羊。 [訪問者]
TO 羊伯特先生:
我覺得關於朱大這篇文的結論,
你提的第二點,我認為是斷章取義了:

>迴響來自: 羊伯特 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/lambert
又模糊焦點了。
朱大的重點在於:
.
.
(2)假考部隊的作法,消極!搞調所謂的爛科系又如何?問題出在整個教育體制,不從此著手,反而去假考,看不出來有什麼意義。

以某些國家教育體制為例,並非人人都得念大學,無意深造者可以考慮技術專門學校,而不是人人都去由你玩四年的大學。但是在台灣,造就了不念大學就沒出息的氛圍,因此人人都得念大學,大學就越來越多,這不是搞掉一兩個所謂的爛科系就可以改變的,而是整體制度上的大錯誤。>



假考部隊中的劉小姐是已經大學畢業十幾年的人、領導人翁英修先生是36歲的人,
他們讀大學時的年代,應該都不是現在大學很多的這個年代,
朱大批評他們「畢業之後表現越來越差卻沾沾自喜」、
「一個碩士學歷的社會人士英文竟然只考六分,而且還同樣高高興興的跟媒體分享只有一百六十四分的總分!」、
「這種成績低落的極端份子竟然還有資格排擠其他分數不高的應屆畢業生,大搖大擺的對教育政策說三道四!」

以前大學不多時,培養出來的大學生,
思想也不過如此,
我不知朱大對大學廣設這樣的制度是什麼態度啦!
但,無論如何,
我實在看不出朱大的結論中,「是的,我們的教育制度的確病了!」這句話,
是在指現在大學很多,所以教育病了。(劉小姐他們是接受以前的教育體制。)

所以,我認為先生您上面的推論是有錯的。


2008-07-25 @ 17:57
迴響 from: 宅妹雙修 Jump [訪問者]
朱大也有很帥看起來不宅的側面啊~XD
看看海報中~~
人家多認真在思考事情的表情!!!!
2008-07-25 @ 18:26
迴響 from: oskar-何止啊,朱大根本就是一個奈良重雄般的紳士啊! [訪問者]
我喜歡的女生八月底要回台灣了,好開心喔
上來閃一下!
無釐頭式的發言才是王道啊!!!
2008-07-25 @ 18:34
迴響 from: 發條鳥 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ivansuperman
很早就不相信媒體講的屁話

我想以後就把朱大這裡當做新聞台好了
2008-07-25 @ 18:36
迴響 from: 號召宅宅保衛正妹系主任 [訪問者]
稻江應用語文系系主任鄭安琪

http://gkar.toko.edu.tw/~language/index.php?module=pagesetter&func=viewpub&tid=4&pid=19

鄭安琪
學位: 博士
職位: 助理教授兼系主任
學歷:
美國南加州大學 課程設計與教學博士
美國南加州大學 英語教學碩士
專長: 課程設計、英語教學

這樣的系,不容假考部隊消滅呀
2008-07-25 @ 19:05
迴響 from: to Shuyi [訪問者]
re: arylic nails....

It might look kind of sexy when girls are giving a handjob to their partners?!

God knows! Why do people getting their boobs done and plastic surgery anyway?!

2008-07-25 @ 19:13
迴響 from: to Shuyi [訪問者]
sorry...typo

should be acrylic nails

Do hope one day girls can regain their self-confidence and then, they don't need these artificial stuff to attract male. I guess this applies to boys too.

只要有信心 不怕沒有女朋友的啦~~

2008-07-25 @ 19:21
迴響 from: 河流裡 [訪問者]
我認為,這整件事情確實讓人熱血(我是指也想去報名假考一下),不過這文章的重點應該放在:
「這是不是有可能是炒作的新聞?
這樣做對於教育環境或是大學退場機制有沒有更積極有效的幫助?
過程中如果有人受傷,該怎麼處理?(我是指受害的真正考生或是爛大學)」

至於這些假考部隊考了多少分,我根本不關心,大家要去批評假考部隊考了幾分很丟臉什麼的,或是考這樣沒資個批評人家考18分什麼的,我都覺得不是重點。

這件事情如果是真的(有101人或是更多假考部隊),對於這麼爛的教育環境有什麼幫助或是刺激?如果是假的,那我們的新聞環境出了什麼問題(其實問題很多)?

假考部隊考幾分?算了吧!本來就不期待啊,因為本來就是來亂的,關心他們考幾分要幹麻?夠登記夠產生攻擊就夠了(不過他們的發言稍嫌欠打一點就是了)。

好不好各位?
2008-07-25 @ 19:24
迴響 from: 卜子 [訪問者]
這是美女系主任。不能消滅啊........
2008-07-25 @ 19:25
迴響 from: Lin [訪問者]
有這種畢業之後表現越來越好而不沾沾自喜的中央畢業生,我們的教育制度的確成功了!

假考部隊從來不曾批評過分數低考不好的人, 反而目的是在幫助他們避免進入一些收高學費的學店. 假考部隊批評與針對的是這個國家的錯誤的高等教育制度.

反倒是大師直接以指定考試的分數來判斷一個人的高下, 直指164分以下的人都是廢渣中的廢渣. 真不愧是中央電機畢業的高材生, 人上人!
2008-07-25 @ 19:32
迴響 from: doser [訪問者]
抗議啦為什麼今天是素人不是大張正妹圖! (逃
2008-07-25 @ 19:40
迴響 from: 河流裡 [訪問者]
補充:
大學很多這件事是不是一件好事還可以再討論(雖然現在看起來認為很糟糕的意見比較多)

大學好不好考,我想並不重要,大學教出來的學生好不好才是重點。如果大學出來的學生不好,到底是大學爛還是大學太好考的關係?

這是我要講的話。
(沒有笑點喔,認真的喔!)

好的大學畢業生可以是:
1.好的品格(也就是好人,好國民)
2.好的專業技能(可以有效進入就業市場)
3.好的思考邏輯(可以唬爛,提供意見以及不同的角度)
4.以上擁有一個以上
至少要這樣吧?至少要這樣吧?
(不要抓我語病,說不是第1點的都不是好國民)
2008-07-25 @ 19:40
迴響 from: 河流裡 [訪問者]
如果大學錄取率是100%
而且畢業生都很優
那也可以啊
2008-07-25 @ 19:41
迴響 from: Kaho [訪問者]

TO 潛水夫:

你的頂宅對決太讚了!哈!


BTW,愉快的週末夜晚,一邊加班一邊在阿宅萬事通事務所留言的我,好悶啊~囧rz

2008-07-25 @ 19:52
迴響 from: 真考部隊 [訪問者]
如果我的程度只能考上那些你們要消滅的爛學校爛科系,
如果我真的很想上大學,
如果我又剛好負擔得起學費,也願意花費四年的時間,

那麼,我選擇去唸這個你們口中的爛學校爛科系,關你們什麼事?
學費是你幫我付嗎?
「耽誤」掉的青春是你的還是我的?

你可不可以,不要這麼好心?
我願意為自己的「愚蠢」決定負責,你管得著嗎?
你們有什麼資格「消滅」這個科系,讓我沒書可唸?

如果剝奪別人的選擇自由叫做正義,
那麼這種正義真是他媽的噁心!
2008-07-25 @ 20:08
迴響 from: vita---她的家鄉。她的綿羊。 [訪問者]
to Lin先生:

想請問您,不知您是否為假考部隊成員?想請問您們成員中,有否欲消滅學校、科系的學生參與?

目標被消滅學校、科系的學生,依這幾天新聞看來,您認為他們喜歡這樣的幫助嗎?

還有,我不懂,您說:「假考部隊的目的根本就不是考高分, 反倒是以低分能達成目標才更增添其諷刺性」。為什麼劉小姐要準備好幾個月、驢兒同學為什麼要特別準備歷史地理、還要為賈同學說明因準備期末考而未特別準備指考所以只考200多,如果分數對假考部隊不重要,那有需要這樣嗎?目的是什麼?

還有為什麼要說:「十八分到底怎麼考的,我們也很懷疑」。而劉小姐為什麼還注意到打鐘後不久,就有高中生年紀的人就趴下來,「他們又能考幾分」。Hero先生為什麼要說,「英文爛,還有六分,非選擇題隨便蓋,也有零點五分」(注意還有、及也有這兩個詞)?
也許假考部隊沒有批評過分數低考不好的人,但從這些話看來,我認為,假考部隊是在意成績的,不但在意自己考的成績,也試圖用自己隨便考的成績,來間接透露指考考低簡直不可思議,是啊,從來沒有用嘴批評。

我很想知道,假考部隊的成員,心態夠誠實夠坦然嗎

還有,希望您看文章還是要仔細、謹慎一些好,「若是以他們的分數和道德邏輯來判斷,這真是廢渣中的廢渣!」,我想,對自己言語負責,不要讓人從你所說的話中,找到輕視你的理由,這樣會比較好~
2008-07-25 @ 20:40
迴響 from: OoZNZoO [訪問者]
樓上中肯!!

個人感覺假考部隊這種一竿子打翻一船人的行徑真是不可思議
整個活動看起來從頭到尾都是所謂的自我正義感作祟

或許出發點是好的
不過這方式真的讓人感覺很反感
2008-07-25 @ 21:02
迴響 from: Benjamin [訪問者]
評鑑沒過一部分跟學校軟硬體設備有關(今年我的學校才剛評鑑過,所以有小了解。)

沒有企業、財團在支撐的一些私校本來就很吃虧。

招不到學生=沒有資金收入。

聘不到名師=沒有好的研究成果發表。

然後就變成一種惡性循環....。

這些其實應該是教育部的責任,要加速輔導學校轉型,或是合併。

難道,每一年假考部隊都要消滅後面B段班的學店系所嗎?

如果假考部隊把注意力著眼在那幾間「重點」學店上面,為何不拉高層次檢視一下整個教育圈是那裡出了問題。

以上
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2008-07-25 @ 21:02
迴響 from: 路人 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 號召宅宅保衛正妹系主任 [訪問者]
稻江應用語文系系主任鄭安琪

http://gkar.toko.edu.tw/~language/index.php?module=pagesetter&func=viewpub&tid=4&pid=19

一張圖勝過千言萬語!
誰再說要讓稻江是爛學校,要讓它關門,我就跟他拼命!
2008-07-25 @ 21:23
迴響 from: 貴妃 [訪問者]
真不愧是朱大
聳動的議題,引起這麼多不同的見解
2008-07-25 @ 22:15
迴響 from: OCEAN [訪問者]
現在的大學生素質令人擔憂..敝人的某長輩任教於某科技大學..時時感嘆說~現在的大學生.…程度只有國中水準..希望沒有得罪人.…很優的照樣還是很優…唉..教育體系漏洞百出..何時才能有完善的制度和相關配套措施呢?!..台灣孩子真辛苦
2008-07-25 @ 22:41
迴響 from: 路過的鄉民 [訪問者]
他的出發點是對的,就算你想要打擊他也不用把人家隱私挖出來在臺面上吧?就算那不一定是真的。也沒必要針對一些報導上說過的話來評論吧...

若因為想改變某些現況,想熱血的發起活動!若不順利血本無歸那就算了
還被人一直打擊,惹來一身腥...以後誰會想再為台灣未來擔憂...

只會針對有話題性的地方來宣染,而不去做對的事.
那這樣不就跟你罵的媒體是一樣的嗎?
2008-07-25 @ 22:43
迴響 from: palm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ruaypapa

請問有哪位宅大可以告訴小的不材在下我
如果我曾經花了六天五夜無日無眠的
才能打到一隻高等魔法杖
後來卻發現有一些死外掛開商店
讓一些善良老百姓隨隨便便就可以買到高等魔法杖
請問我要怎麼是要廢了商場(怎麼廢????)
還是叫手殘腦殘不要練外掛(怎麼叫????)
亦是B遊戲軟體公司提出改善計畫(怎麼B????)
或是可以發動百人部隊癱瘓遊戲(怎麼發動????可以介紹記者幫忙嗎???)

還是乾脆我去死了算了

ㄎㄎㄎㄎ

附註:
屈原曰:「舉世混濁而我獨清,眾人皆醉而我獨醒,是以見放。」

父曰:「夫聖人者,不凝滯於物而能與世推移。舉世混濁,何不隨其流而揚其波﹖眾人皆醉
,何不餔其糟而啜其醨﹖何故懷瑾握瑜而自令見放為﹖」


百人部隊可以去當屈原了..........

ㄎㄎㄎㄎ
ㄎㄎㄎㄎ


2008-07-25 @ 22:53
迴響 from: palm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ruaypapa
請問有哪位宅大可以告訴小的不材在下我
如果我曾經花了六天五夜無日無眠的
才能打到一隻高等魔法杖
後來卻發現有一些死外掛開商店
讓一些善良老百姓隨隨便便就可以買到高等魔法杖
請問我要怎麼辦????
是要廢了商場(怎麼廢????)
還是叫手殘腦殘不要練外掛(怎麼叫????)
亦是B遊戲軟體公司提出改善計畫(怎麼B????)
或是可以發動百人部隊癱瘓遊戲(怎麼發動????可以介紹好記者幫忙嗎???)

還是乾脆我去死了算了

ㄎㄎㄎㄎ

附註:
屈原曰:「舉世混濁而我獨清,眾人皆醉而我獨醒,是以見放。」
漁父曰:「夫聖人者,不凝滯於物而能與世推移。舉世混濁,何不隨其流而揚其波﹖眾人皆醉
,何不餔其糟而啜其醨﹖何故懷瑾握瑜而自令見放為﹖」


百人部隊可以去當屈原了..........

ㄎㄎㄎㄎ
ㄎㄎㄎㄎ



2008-07-25 @ 22:56
迴響 from: urcocky [訪問者]
雖然我已經提出證據證明
我非你指定的那新聞中的那五人來推翻你的論述
(至於我是不是假考部隊
有機會再把我沒去註冊的註冊單再po一次給你們看囉 ^_
2008-07-25 @ 23:19
迴響 from: urcocky [訪問者]
雖然我已經提出證據證明
我非你指定的那新聞中的那五人來推翻你的論述
(至於我是不是假考部隊
有機會再把我沒去註冊的註冊單再po一次給你們看囉 ^_^)
但你還是沒拿出具體證據證明你是蝙蝠俠阿?
別自己的言論也鄉民嘴泡化
(別像新聞中常見有些政客高呼手中握有關鍵性的錄影、錄音帶 但卻掉了捏)

再次恕我直言
別再教壞宅宅們的推理能力了
台灣有優秀思考能力的宅宅已經不多了
有心成為有思考能力的態度誠屬不易
但你的推論真的是有太多地方有瑕疵了
有些沒驗證過的東西就當作是對的往下推論
(就像小高一生就會的數學歸納法連n=k都還沒成立,就急著推論n=k+1成立)
有些又是帶著先入為主的觀念就懷疑了
1.第22行,你用懷疑的眼光檢視文章中"暴增"的小字眼,強化了你的質疑
2.第24行,你說有上百人的話,那想必一定有很多故事和成員可以報導嚕
很奇怪,我就不想被報導阿?他們真的找的到我報導嗎?
沒很多東西可以報導就是沒上百人嗎?
這不是懷不懷疑,是根本邏輯不通阿
林痣玲那麼漂亮,想必很多人追 林痣玲沒很多人追,想必一定不漂亮?
你再次深化了你的質疑
3.第29行,你質疑"明明是活動發起者為什麼不太確定消息,只能掌握一部份"
我在家裡發起隨身帶環保筷,我都不確定會有幾個人做了呢!
你又再次質疑100這個數字了
4.第54行,"難道沒有別的演員了嗎?"你的字眼用的真好!果然是好翻譯
5.第56行,"今天考試都考完了,這一百多人也該站出來跟大家說說話了吧?"
就跟你說我很內向的咩
6.......
族繁不及備載
通篇就在對大家不滿已久的媒體與無法證實的假考部隊抨擊
拜託 文中提到你能跟所謂的ㄐㄧˋ者接觸(好)
你也好心點跟你的記者朋友complain阿 不用像我這樣嗆沒關係
別躲起來偷罵阿
叫個記者來專訪一下你對媒體大環境的不滿阿
還是你習慣作些沒效用的舉動? 像個稱職嘴泡鄉民?
你再寫更多篇看看媒體會不會改??(我都笑了)
還調侃人家台大畢業的分數考不高
還真的很抱歉我們比較笨的點作了些實際的動作來反映我們的不滿
以期有權力的人來改變體制
讓你們見笑了捏

我來充當一下媒體的支持者好了:
個人感覺攻訐媒體這種一竿子打翻一船人的行徑真是不可思議
整個參予者看起來從頭到尾都是所謂的自我正義感作祟
否定了大多數認真採訪的好ㄐㄧˋ者
他們可是很敬業的在提供能受公評的新聞呢

p.s. 報到截止那天就見真章了!
2008-07-25 @ 23:20
迴響 from: 便當 [訪問者]
還是在回一下
今天朱大的主要的重點應該在於新聞的真假性
只是...今天主要是一個偷懶的記者,實在很難對於這個新聞能夠完全的推翻.....就算是朱大,也只能用你沒辦法證明你自己是假的來反定這個新聞,無法有確切的證據來說沒有假考部隊的存在。
老話一句:舉證之所在,敗訴之所在
只是今天要假考部隊舉證他存在,還是朱大你有比較明確的證明他們不存在呢?
但話說回來....本國聯招制度沒有禁止人考完再考吧(保全....)
所以假考部隊又沒有犯法
所以你也吹不長我、拉不爆我(假考部隊)

最後老話一句,不用功、考個18分還想上大學?還說"我只是選擇一間願意接受我的大學就好"...老弟...就算大學不是很危險、社會還是很危險的...狗屎大學垃圾系想找份好工作...快回火星去吧...



2008-07-25 @ 23:39
迴響 from: G [訪問者] · http://blog.pixnet.net/gilly
對不起,我要來打岔一下戰的氣氛
因為我在捷運上用爛手機勉強檢查RSS的時候發現ABC最新的頭條
"Randy Pausch, Author of 'The Last Lecture,' Succumbs to Cancer"
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4614281&page=1
在捷運上邊看報導邊流淚,看完整篇報導剛好到家
圓山站旁邊野台開唱異常地熱鬧,本人心情很差

我多希望這也是篇假報導

2008-07-25 @ 23:40
迴響 from: 像總機小姐一樣閒的IT職員 [訪問者]
TO: 喵的花美男
蘊釀好久去當志工的想法,
在看了你的留言後,又更堅定了啦...
這星期一定要去幫助貧困的小朋友 Q.Q
2008-07-25 @ 23:50
迴響 from: 神雞老鳥 [訪問者]


四十多年前
蔣公(請起立、立正)為了要讓教育普及
推行九年國民教育
請問是否會對當年只有初中畢業的能力有所衝擊

現在政府爛大學普及政策
是否對以前只有大學畢業的人的能力造成衝擊

如果因為這樣
而要像以前一樣
讓二分之ㄧ以上的高中生不能讀大學
讓現在只有大學畢業的人保有優越感
這樣對嗎

物競天擇
當滿地都是大學生時
求才者自有一套挑人的標準
您不用擔心的啦
(除非您的能力跟一般大學生一樣


加油
加油
大家都加油

上面那個光頭的兒子說
今天不做,明天會後悔
支持蘇花高
支持蘇花高
支持蘇花高


......................急......
.................速...........
.............下...............
.........潛...................
.....中.......................

2008-07-25 @ 23:59
迴響 from: sad Dino [訪問者]
G:

同感哀悼!!

去了他的網站,是事實

2008-07-26 @ 00:06
迴響 from: nightpluie [訪問者] · http://blogpluie.blogspot.com/
朱大請受我一拜 雖然我本身也是從事媒體業 但朱大能夠洞徹到其中的漏洞 真的是非常佩服!
2008-07-26 @ 00:08
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
我不知道今天的媒體墮落到竟然需要讀者來舉證他的報導不存在才是「不合格的報導」,媽的寫報導的是誰?

是他媽的記者耶!

登出報導的是誰?是他媽的媒體耶,他們沒辦法舉證出足以說服人的證據證明這上百人的部隊存在,竟然會是讀者的錯?

Lucifer

這種邏輯要不要吃屎比較快!

更別提路邊跑來一個人弄了個隨便就可以假造的東西說,喔喔喔,我他媽的比你說的五個人多一個人,你的邏輯就崩潰了!

呿,這樣的小朋友要不要回去讀小學比較快!你這種邏輯爛到爆炸的學生我更是懷疑你是不是比那些考零分的人有資格說嘴!
2008-07-26 @ 00:18
迴響 from: 河流裡 [訪問者]
喔喔喔 朱大又叫人吃屎了
放下宅 面對宅.....
2008-07-26 @ 00:25
迴響 from: 小V [訪問者]
朱大,
剛剛在網路書店看到女王的好夥伴史丹利出的新書,
裡頭有篇文章"耍帥的悲哀"涉嫌抄襲:
http://www.books.com.tw/books/series/series9789868346536-2.php
這篇文章是一則在網路上流傳兩年以上的笑話,在google輸入"姊姊的男友"
就會出現一大票網頁,
在史丹利的文章中,變成了"新認識的朋友湯瑪仕"發生的事,
(他平常的文章都是在寫周遭那幾個死黨的事,這篇推給了"新認識的朋友",來個死無對證)
這件事完全就是吳淡如上次的事的翻版,
還望朱大出面主持公道.
2008-07-26 @ 00:41
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 便當 [訪問者]
最後老話一句,不用功、考個18分還想上大學?還說"我只是選擇一間願意接受我的大學就好"...老弟...就算大學不是很危險、社會還是很危險的...狗屎大學垃圾系想找份好工作...快回火星去吧...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
照您這風趣幽默又富含粗鄙言詞的論點,可見您是完全的結果論者。

優勝劣敗,你還認為這些成績較低者,都該滾回火星~爛學校是狗屎大學,是嗎?
-滾回火星-多麼鏗鏘有聲!

所以您支持這個假考部隊,是為了要幫助這些成績低下的學生認清現實?
可惜您之前說的話,怎麼看都只像是羞辱他們而已。

而且是用一種放馬後炮之立場
或者是既得利益者保護自己地位的態度~
講著一些對現實沒有幫助的話。
重複一次,以上您說的話,對現實完全沒有幫助建議,
換句話說~就是打嘴砲。

像您這樣只會打嘴砲的男性,就可以留在地球嗎?
如果那群您謂~滾回去火星的人,
這些成績不好的人,
其中有任何一個比您品行好,
那你該如何自處?

你怕大學生的名聲被搞壞所以你這個大學生畢業者起薪會下降?
吃屎吧!
吃完屎可以考慮去考研究所。


2008-07-26 @ 00:48
迴響 from: 小胖 [訪問者]
朱先生您好
因為沒有您的email
只好留言在此
絕對沒有廣告意圖
不好意思
我是一個網頁設計人員
我們公司的部落格最近常有關於網址http://www.dvdbank.ws/TV/
這樣的留言
砍了很多次
剛剛很好奇終於點進去看
小弟資質有些駑鈍
第一時間沒看懂
單都強調快速致富
想必是詐騙集團
有沒有甚麼辦法謁止這種看來騙人
又喜歡在別人部落格廣告的詐騙集團...

感謝您的回覆
2008-07-26 @ 01:01
迴響 from: 犬子皿 [訪問者]
就樓上的留言看來,朱大吃包子吃到變成包青天了…

威~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~武~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2008-07-26 @ 01:02
迴響 from: martian [訪問者]
可以不要亂丟垃圾到火星嗎?
麻煩大家了~!
2008-07-26 @ 01:13
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
接著,以下兩點是這次假考部隊的兩大荒唐。

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迴響來自: 朱恐龍 [成員]
我不知道今天的媒體墮落到竟然需要讀者來舉證他的報導不存在才是「不合格的報導」,媽的寫報導的是誰?
是他媽的記者耶!
登出報導的是誰?是他媽的媒體耶,他們沒辦法舉證出足以說服人的證據證明這上百人的部隊存在,竟然會是讀者的錯?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ㄅ.
媒體所產生的問題的部份,朱大已經說的很清楚了,
我跟你買西瓜,不甜是我的錯? 是嗎? 老闆這樣當的嗎?
媒體報導怎麼才是專業,連基礎論點,數據言詞都沒辦法務求精細,被讀者抓到小辮子,
是讀者的錯喔?

下次你們把本國總統寫成歐巴馬,我們還要照念就是了?
讀者還要提出證明給你們參考,本國總統其實不是歐巴馬?

荒謬!
身為消費者,身為你們的顧客,我不唸一下怎麼行。

你們該做的事,是要提出合理數據說服大眾,說服讀者。

而不是要求讀者提出證據去幫你們合理立場,或者幫你們圓謊。

奇也怪哉!

ㄆ.
假考部隊的目的,是要癱瘓尾段學校系所,令其不足員招生。
試問,假考部隊這樣佔位子,
等於你們就是判官囉~直接決定系所生死,
那麼,這些被擋掉的學生損失誰來負責?

假考部隊癱瘓系所,這些校友的損失又誰來負責?
這些受到有形無形損失的人,人數何只比你們多上幾倍!!

他們損失怎辦?HERO賠償嗎?

由此可知,你們此次行動只是譁眾取寵。不但缺乏計畫,而且缺乏智商!

因為學店不會因為你們而倒,董事會不會因你們而有多大損失,傷害都是在這些學生身上。
(區區五人想要倒掉一間學校?笑話!)

聽過你們的論述後,立場薄弱非常不客觀,

比扯鈴還扯!

2008-07-26 @ 01:16
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 像總機小姐一樣閒的IT職員 [訪問者]
TO: 喵的花美男
蘊釀好久去當志工的想法,
在看了你的留言後,又更堅定了啦...
這星期一定要去幫助貧困的小朋友 Q.Q
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真的!
我們有能力,比人家過的好,應該是要去幫助過得比我們差的人。
不然,就會流於嘴砲~滿嘴毛,
對現狀一點幫助都沒有。
我實在是很不喜歡那些人哪!

如果便當兄曾經抱怨過油貴菜貴,
我卻從來不在乎這些小錢,
我是不是該叫便當兄給狗幹?

碼b XD
2008-07-26 @ 01:24
迴響 from: alberto [訪問者]
哈哈,對阿,樓樓上的火星原住民出來抗議了XD
2008-07-26 @ 01:32
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
迴響來自: alberto [訪問者]
喔?我火星來的呀?等著你講出你的論點。

就不要比火星原住民還不如呀,ㄎㄎ
2008-07-26 @ 01:37
迴響 from: TK [訪問者]
http://www.age.toko.edu.tw/upload/attachment.php?aid=490
http://www.age.toko.edu.tw/upload/attachment.php?aid=491

為了抵抗自認正義的假考部隊!我們來成立"美女主任保衛部隊"吧!
2008-07-26 @ 02:19
迴響 from: 小林老師 [訪問者] · http://none
迴響來自: Lin [訪問者]
> 假考部隊從來不曾批評過分數低考不好的人, 反而目的是在幫助他們避免進入一些收高學費的學店. 假考部隊批評與針對的是這個國家的錯誤的高等教育制度.
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很遺憾,就我所看到的大部分假考部隊支持者的言論,他們不僅從頭到尾都「批評分數低考不好的人」,心態上更是看不起人。這裡「便當」兄的言論就是好例子。

就以 Lin 這句話來說,「反而目的是在幫助他們避免進入一些收高學費的學店」,他們以為自己什麼人?憑什麼「幫助」別人決定他們的人生?
2008-07-26 @ 02:30
迴響 from: 小林老師 [訪問者]
迴響來自: palm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ruaypapa
如果我曾經花了六天五夜無日無眠的
才能打到一隻高等魔法杖
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

說得好。所以這動機很明顯嘛。就是自私兩個字囉。

談什麼社會正義革命什麼的高調?
2008-07-26 @ 02:34
迴響 from: alberto [訪問者]
迴響來自: martian [訪問者]
可以不要亂丟垃圾到火星嗎?
麻煩大家了~!
2008-07-26 @ 01:13

我說的是這篇:|...大家戰意太堅強一下就被淹掉了

疑,朱大是胖騎趴6的壓軸ㄟ....就放個youtube影片應該就結束了
根據慣例最後一張要是不縮圖的正妹照片阿~~
2008-07-26 @ 02:37
迴響 from: 機車妹 [訪問者]
愛的結晶體
我想你是不是誤會alberto 的意思了?
我想他是跟martian在說話吧 還是我也誤會了
我看到martian 火星人的留言 也覺得很好笑 XD
請一起幫火星做環保XD

>迴響來自: martian [訪問者]
>可以不要亂丟垃圾到火星嗎?
>麻煩大家了~!
2008-07-26 @ 02:50
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
迴響來自: alberto [訪問者]
~對不起,我誤會啦
抱歉抱歉~
以為被一劍穿心,有點嚇到~
其實我是火星高校~校草來著~XD

迴響來自: 小林老師 [訪問者]
我同意,這些個匪類活在自己世界,連別人家系所都想去管了。
權力有沒有這麼大喔~~??

2008-07-26 @ 02:53
迴響 from: 薛荷玉 [訪問者]
我是這篇討論文章的當事人—聯合報記者薛荷玉。首先,我要說尊重大家的批評,但針對一部分網友對事實有所誤解的部分,也希望能提出說明。

第一, 假考部隊絕對不只五個人。在快閃行動中,各媒體拍到的就有二十人左右(那天我休假,是同事採訪的)。幾次採訪中,前後親眼見到的也有十幾人,在前天報紙刊登他們拿成績單照的那張照片,也可見到有十餘張的成績單。

還有一些我沒見到,但是用電話及網路聯絡上的,包括在南部的高職生等,他們有些因工作,有的則因還在當兵,不方便露臉。

為什麼曾見報的名字只有五個?因我們一篇稿子最多只有七百字,雖然採訪人數不僅於此,但見報的字數有限。一般記者會傾向採訪行動的核心成員來代表發言,如反高學費聯盟、青年勞動九五聯盟等,甚至比較大的組織如全家盟,經常見報的也只是謝國清、林文虎兩人。這類社會運動,其他參與者也多希望由發言人來發言。
2008-07-26 @ 02:57
迴響 from: 機車妹 [訪問者]
我也覺得假考部隊只是擔心以後大學太多
自己念大學的優勢馬上變得沒甚麼
別人念到所謂不太好的大學 他如果真的甚麼都沒學到
去社會上馬上就會被淘汰
如果他進大學 很努力向上 學到真才實學 對社會有貢獻
那就達到他念大學的目的啦
人生本來就不是一次定勝負
這些所謂假考部隊的人 如果不是以一次大學聯考或指考的成就沾沾自喜
不思努力進步 妳們有妳們的經驗累積 又何必怕別人來搶你飯碗
大學變多 接下來比的就是真才實學
美國大學何其多 每一家也都申請時間不同
我從沒聽過有人因此跑去抗議一些不太有名的大學
反而他們就在就業市場上拼生死
一些大廠直接去名校徵才 不是名校的就從經驗累積
不管是不是名校都不是很重要 重要的事你會什麼
我反而覺得大學變多 會使得企業越來越重視實力 也不會一看你是名校就立刻收你
總之 有實力就沒在怕 有時間去干涉別人的人生如何決定不如趕快保住你的飯碗比較重要
2008-07-26 @ 03:07
迴響 from: 機車妹 [訪問者]
我真的覺得一切靠自由市場來決定
美國多的是大學只要繳錢就讓你念
一些不是太出名得學校甚至畢業生GPA高達3.9
那又如何 徵才者自有方法徵才
大的廠 一個人面試7,8各考官 當場考你一整天
不是靠背就可以答出來的題目
你沒實力 如何應戰?
我倒樂見就業市場該開始會以實力為主
假考部隊真的很夜月神
btw 死亡筆記本 I heart u XD.
2008-07-26 @ 03:28
迴響 from: alberto [訪問者]
沒關西啦,邊看表特版邊回難免行動遲緩,一下就被水淹沒造成誤會了XD

摩根‧史坦利先生曾說過「一個人做一件事通常有兩個理由,一個好理由,跟一個真正的理由。」
某LIN提供了一個好理由,不過palm兄則告訴了我們真正的理由....科科

在想想之前芭樂先生的說法跟所做所為,他說雖然很想交女朋友,但是覺得娶外籍新娘識迫害人家的行為,因此寧願一面忍受孤單一面嚮往可以找到真心相愛的正妹。有人在信念跟自己利害衝突的時候仍然可以堅守信念,有人則是「屁股決定腦袋」用所在位置(利基)來決定立場。

「Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school.」
愛因斯坦是這樣定義教育的,照他的定義來說芭樂先生可能比很多學生的教育程度還要高。

其實我到覺得是假考部隊們小題大作了,我接觸到的不少公司根本直接下令沒有聽過的大學學生不用通知來參加大學生面試,然後台科、北科、雲科直接當國立大學學生這樣。其實公司們也不至於笨到還需要你們來幫忙淘汰掉真的不行的大學生,當然連這點都沒看穿也許才是你需要汲汲營營保住你的大學生光環的真正原因。
2008-07-26 @ 03:47
迴響 from: alberto [訪問者]
薛小姐,我想20~30人離上百人還遠的很,
證明「不止五個」=\=「上百人」,THX
2008-07-26 @ 04:00
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
假新聞也好灌水真新聞也罷,反正媒體就是這樣子了(攤手),媒體一點都不重要

重點是,以傷害他人來達到自己目的的人 就是自私

不管目標是多麼偉大

絕對不會有什麼若使當時身先死 千古忠佞有誰知這種事出現的

想當Hero? 還是先去看看Hero吧
2008-07-26 @ 04:58
迴響 from: 波蘿日報 [訪問者] · http://blog.xuite.net/big.max/Polo
正妹的右腳膝蓋為什麼有白白的東西?
2008-07-26 @ 07:00
迴響 from: 丹尼歐 [訪問者]
高中的一位老師 曾經說過一句話讓我印象很深

"你不認真念書 我不會當掉你
因為將來的社會自然會當掉你 "

當下聽到這句話,只覺得好輕鬆
而越往後走,越覺得這句話有多沉重

我想這個社會的殘酷 已經走入社會的人士應該明白
空有大學學歷 而沒有競爭力的人非常容易被社會給淘汰

18分念大學? 我從很久以前開始就不明白為什麼一堆人要討論這個話題...
如果18分念的大學跟前幾志願的大學一樣??那我幹嘛天天熬夜準備聯考??

又為什麼一狗票人擠破頭搶台清交成?? 一堆人拼的要死要活考研究所 難道這些人是傻子??

而好學校出來卻找不到工作,學歷低月薪高的這兩種人也到處都有.

物競天擇是不變的定理,難到還需要你們來幫忙??


發起人荒謬 參與者愚蠢

至於把他越搞越大的新聞媒體
套一句某製作人說的

"台灣的報紙 只剩下日期是對的! "



關於大家鞭了那麼多年的教改 我有另外的看法.

畢竟讀書為上是千年下來的傳統
不管我們考試升學的體制再怎麼改...
父母親還是希望自己的小孩念的是最優秀的學校,最少人考的進的科系.
各位想想,當年國高中的時候,最深厚的壓力來自哪裡,還不是來自父母

多少父母逼著自己的小孩做當年自己做不到或是沒做到的事,念自己覺得應該念或是值得念的學校跟科系.

我就一直想不透為什麼當年國中的國英史地通通80起跳,而數學,理化考試沒一次破50的我 最後被抓去念電子系.

學以致用,興趣是通往成功唯一的道路到底有多少人懂?
不然為什麼國外先進國家各方面傑出的人才都那麼多,台灣優秀的8成以上不是電就是醫.

教改要成功,就得從大家內心的價值觀開始做起.

2008-07-26 @ 09:05
迴響 from: 國家宅宅頻道 [訪問者] · http://www.washivaca.blogspot.com
推樓上的丹尼爾^^
寫得太好了!!

2008-07-26 @ 11:52
迴響 from: Juan [訪問者] · http://j.cards.twirc.org
台灣的媒體很久前就沉淪了

記得大學時還有發起一個 "退報救台灣" 的運動
當時的對象就是聯合報

那時很多宿舍門口都貼了貼紙, 寫上 "我們不看聯合報"

朱大應該起身號召一下吧

*科科科*
2008-07-26 @ 12:06
迴響 from: 真考部隊 [訪問者]

聯合報記者薛小姐的講法很有趣。

如果訪問來訪問去,就是這幾個「核心」的「發言人」,
如果連快閃也只看到二十幾個,
那麼記者的 sense 難道不會讓妳想懷疑一下:
hero 桑,你一直說有「上百人」參加,能不能證明給我看?

如果百人是事實,就直接替他們展現實力,
如果百人是吹牛,也可以順便戳破謊言,
這不是記者該做的嗎?

有聞必錄,照單全收,
沒有質疑更沒有求證,
這記者會不會太好當了一點?

原來唬爛記者真可以一次就上手。大家學著點。
敢唬爛,你就贏。
2008-07-26 @ 12:06
迴響 from: 便當 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
------------------------------------------------
如果便當兄曾經抱怨過油貴菜貴,
我卻從來不在乎這些小錢,
我是不是該叫便當兄給狗幹?

碼b XD
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哇~~屁股好痛~~回個文也要被狗幹

反正我今天只想提出一點
社會是競爭的、社會是階級的、社會是殘酷的
今天國家就算開了一萬家大學可以讓你躺的都可以進去
你出來在社會上還是會被淘汰的
對你有比較好嗎
反而對社會還會造成一種負擔
美好的果實是屬給努力過的人
沒有努力過的人就不要扣八

林北已經不只是大學生了,林北已經研究所畢業是社會上有一點點僱用權的小主管了
所以我可以用這個角度來狗幹一些不努力的人
當然這個社會有更多更多比我優秀的人可以狗幹我,誰叫我沒人加優秀及努力呢
這就是社會、這就是殘酷的社會

不爽?
歡迎到社會上來被狗幹吧
2008-07-26 @ 12:48
迴響 from: 機車妹 [訪問者]
哇 大家火氣好大喔
大家都消消火吧 至少都不要用人身攻擊喔
便當兄 你一開始的信念也許是善意的
但真的邏輯在這我不是太明白

進了一所不怎麼樣的大學-> 一定以後也學不到甚麼 -> 所以是浪費社會資源
但很多例子都顯示只要你有心 就算大學不怎麼樣 一樣也可以努力向上
很多學校都請了很不錯的教授 所以你就完全否定有人可能有好表現 只要他進入不是名校嗎?

你說"美好的果實是給努力的人 這些不努力的人不要扣八" 所謂你想要的正義已經發生
那些你覺得努力的人也進了名校 但這些人進的也不是名校 他們也要付出他們的代價
我不覺得有任何不公平的地方

大學廣設 好與不好自然會受到市場機制 門檻變低 只是給了想向學的人一個機會
他有機會決定他要如何過他的大學四年 如果你覺得這些人得到進大學的機會都不該有
那朱大辛辛苦苦的作開放式教學也不該囉 你我都不是MIT學生有甚麼權力得到這些知識?

今天就算你是MIT P.hd都沒有資格去干涉或決定別人的人生 優不優秀是你自己的成就
你的成就並不是給你權力去左右他人 就算總統都沒資格說 我叫你如何就如何
又不是印度種性制度

2008-07-26 @ 14:29
迴響 from: 亂入是王道 [訪問者]

to薛荷玉 小姐(?)

>>還有一些我沒見到,但是用電話及網路聯絡上的,包括在南部的高職生等,
>>他們有些因工作,有的則因還在當兵,不方便露臉。

根據大學入學考試中心97學年度學科能力測驗簡章
報考資格:高級中等學校之三年級在學學生、畢業生或具同等學力者。

報考大學同等學力認定標準:http://law.moj.gov.tw/Scripts/Query4A.asp?FullDoc=all&Fcode=H0030032

我對你提到「包括在南部的高職生」有些疑問!

1.他們是否符合上述報考資格?也就是說至少是三年級在學學生?
2.假設他們符合報考資格,那到底是怎樣的大宇宙意志驅使這(些)個本該參加台灣社會多數人視為正途的學科能力測驗的高職生進行「假考」?

2008-07-26 @ 16:00
迴響 from: 神經病 [訪問者]
這邊有沒有超過25歲, 沒有念大學的? 請站出來說說你的感想?

有人說[不是每個人適合念大學]. 有沒有認同這句話, 且沒念大學的前輩? 我很懷疑.



2008-07-26 @ 16:37
迴響 from: 美女系主任後援會 [訪問者]
美女主任保衛部隊的後續消息勒
2008-07-26 @ 18:20
迴響 from: Page [訪問者]
個人還蠻佩服朱大critique能力,絕不被人(或報導)牽著鼻子走;但是個人也認為朱大太過武斷,且用詞有誤導讀者之嫌。
例如說,那個放出成績單圖檔的假考部隊第六人說的第某某行,"演員"那詞;還有您直指成績單很容易造假,所以跳出來試圖證明自己有參加假考部隊的、與你持相反意見的人,你似乎是直接就否決掉了?

我雖然也覺得記者寫新聞,常常太過誇大唬爛,在求證這方面也不夠負責任,可是我覺得朱大把這篇新聞說得好像造假還是操弄媒體似的,對此我不能認同,我反而感覺你在偏頗引導你的讀者往你堅信的方向去想。

對假考部隊,我也有過參加的念頭;我相信他們的立意並不是要排擠低分考生、剝奪他們上大學的權利;而是要突顯教改、廣設大學等一些政策對教育體制乃至於進一步對國家有多大的傷害。手段也許很粗糙(或許更多漏洞?例如前面有人說反而讓名單上的學校分數排名往前進),這方式卻是最直接,就算他不能成功消滅任何系所至少也讓大眾注意到一些事。我只是老百姓,低分就能上大學這件事我並不樂見;不是怕大學&研究所學歷貶值而折了自己手上學歷的身價,而是:人人都可上大學這件事,正在影響國家的未來;本來不到門檻的學生他進了大學混四年也等於不事生產四年而且競爭力並沒有提升;每個人都可以念大學了,那技職體系的行業是不是地位更低落、更沒有人願意做? 關於教育,這個國家正逐漸走向失衡的狀態,難道你不憂心?

並不是程度夠不夠好能不能念大學的問題,而是[職業不該分貴賤]、[興趣才是最重要的]、[並不是每個人都需要念到大學]。社會大眾的觀念應該要進步,偋棄過去那種文憑至上的觀念。18分或0分就能上大學,這種事,只會讓學生&家長&大眾們,更爭相競逐那一紙文憑,因為隨便哪個阿貓阿狗都唸到研究所了,不跟著念上去,行嗎?

別因為記者誇大就否決了整個行動,別因為記者把新聞的故事點放在分數你就也藉著分數來修理人,人家劉小姐說不定是無辜的沒有要嘲笑低分考生的意思?"沾沾自喜"卻是你說的。記者總得把故事寫得動人一點、假考部隊報名人數也很可能不到百人,你可以質疑報導的正確性,只是有的時候我覺得,你訕笑他人的行徑&口吻更直接傷害人,比記者更可惡。

如果參加假考可以迫使相關單位加速處理大學浮濫的問題.......,雖然這方法很白痴很無聊,不過也許明年我就考慮去參加了。(如果我有那個熱情去參加就把成績單寄給你啦,而且我打算完全不準備,這樣才有意義不是嗎?如果完全不準備的壞學生爛成績也能上大學的話,所謂"大學"....哀!)

p.s 當然,你的舉證跟分析我還是覺得很佩服啦。另外那個宅聚我也想去ㄝ,可是我眼拙,可不可以大聲公布報名方法啊~~
2008-07-26 @ 18:55
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
薛記者:如果說到那次教育部快閃拍到很多人,所以就證明當時至少拍到有超過二十幾人.....你當天可能真的沒去,後續也沒注意到發展對吧?

這則聯晚的報導:

http://mag.udn.com/mag/campus/storypage.jsp?f_ART_ID=120317

「萬人考大學行動小組召集人何宗勳表示」,該篇新聞中的何宗勳發表聲明說他不是活動召集人....囧。




然後現場訪問的學生輔仁大學三年級莊惟安也說我只是來拍紀錄片的.....



所以,那二十個人裡面有多少人真是假考部隊成員呀?有多少人只是來湊熱鬧拍電影的....囧。

這年頭我很提防的呀,詐騙電話一堆,我也沒辦法打打電話就確定對方真是什麼什麼團體成員耶。一般小市民會有的常識,記者該不會沒有嗎?

Lucifer

至於什麼劉小姐有沒有沾沾自喜,你去看看當天的訪問錄影畫面吧,根本就是科科笑哩。

這年頭真是好笑了,用行動強制將自己價值觀灌於弱勢者頭上的偏激份子被批評,結果是批評的人被罵太過傷人,靠邀,這世界上還有沒有天理啦?

嫌棄人家分數低的人卻不能被批評分數低,那不然是要批評他們長相嗎?

老子可是一直真名實姓站在這裡,我才沒有藏頭縮尾的哩。



2008-07-26 @ 21:02
迴響 from: 河流裡 [訪問者]
我啦 就是我
我超過25歲 沒唸過大學 但是現在在唸研究所
國立的喔
而且研究所同學一堆白癡

是不是每個人都一定要讀大學?當然不一定
但是如果你想要唸大學
你以為你唸的"大學"就是"大學"
那就抱歉了

我不得不說:並不是大學文憑貶值,而是大學文憑已經不等值了(看看一些比較嚴苛的新人面試條件就知道,不用我在這裡多說)

(該不會有人要我舉證我現在在讀研究所而且沒唸過大學吧?)
2008-07-26 @ 21:34
迴響 from: 天涼好個秋 [訪問者]
之所以會有這個事件發生,是因為大學生在台灣人的心目中被認為是精英,一旦超低分也能夠錄取
那麼就表示這個被認為是精英的圖騰被破壞了。

有些人認為這個元兇就是錯誤的政策及濫開科系的學校,他們無法改變政策,他們發現可以用
激烈的方式,讓這個問題更加被凸顯。

[不是每個人適合念大學]
這句話的含意可能是指不想精英的圖騰被破壞,或是認為不努力的人不應該也享有這個圖騰。
但是基本上,我贊成他們的作法,因為我覺得他們很浪漫~~~~~
且不會傷害別人。

我超過25歲,我讀的是不怎樣的專科的不怎麼樣的科系(畢業時也拿到亮眼的倒數第三名),
不知道這算不算是大學生。
但是我不認同這句話,因為會有市場機制。

其實我比較在意的是那些認為比較"後段班"的學校給了他們學生什麼東西,
品性嗎?獨立思考的能力嗎?專業的能力嗎?國際觀嗎?不一樣的思維方式嗎?
正確的工作態度及觀念嗎?團隊作戰的能力嗎?

比較後段班的的學校也可以給他們學生一些特別的東西,對他們未來人生有幫助的東西,
增加他們競爭力的東西,讓他們學會去體會及感受這個世界。
(不知道這種學校存不存在)

我另一個在意的是萬一透過市場機制,這些學校或科系將被淘汰,政府會不會拿納稅人的錢
去挽救。
2008-07-26 @ 21:47
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
「不是每個人都適合念大學」和「我認為不是每個人都適合念大學,所以我要讓那些原來可以上大學的人讀不了大學」兩者之間有天地一般的差異。

Lucifer

2008-07-26 @ 22:03
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
小弟以為教育是個機會,有人不惜福,沒辦法
這是個珍貴的機會。

dear便當兄
您自打自己巴掌。我六點就看到你的回應,覺得很無聊。
若我跟您同機構,層級也不比你低。
2008-07-26 @ 22:15
迴響 from: vita---她的家鄉。她的綿羊。 [訪問者]
to urcocky先生:

>迴響來自: urcocky
.
.
.
還調侃人家台大畢業的分數考不高
還真的很抱歉我們比較笨的點作了些實際的動作來反映我們的不滿
以期有權力的人來改變體制
讓你們見笑了捏>


如果零分、十八分不夠格唸大學,
那一個台大畢業生,考了一百多分,
她有什麼資格,說她擁有台大學歷,
是不是該請有權單位,
命令台大,把她的畢業證書收回去,
hero先生英文考個6分,
他也一樣已經從大學畢業了,
我也認為,他的英文成績,
不夠格說他擁有大學學歷,
是不是該請有權單位,
命令他的大學,把他的畢業證書收回去,
不配擁有大學學歷,手上卻有大學畢業證書的人,
為什麼可以批評別人不夠格唸大學卻可以唸大學??


還有,如果假考部隊人數有造假、胡址,
那是不是該請相關學校,
把造假的人的大學中學小學畢業證書收回去,
他連小學學歷的資格也不該有~~
2008-07-26 @ 22:16
迴響 from: f先生 [訪問者]
朱老師 你反對他們的理念嗎 是哪方面呢 是太多成績差學生的學校 還是辦學績效和設施與師資都很濫的學校
2008-07-26 @ 22:29
迴響 from: 天涼好個秋 [訪問者]
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其實我比較在意的是那些認為比較"後段班"的學校給了他們學生什麼東西,
品性嗎?獨立思考的能力嗎?專業的能力嗎?國際觀嗎?不一樣的思維方式嗎?
正確的工作態度及觀念嗎?團隊作戰的能力嗎?
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補充一下,其實我個人認為朱大的blog也有給我們這些東西喔!
2008-07-26 @ 23:28
迴響 from: 戰場上的農民一枚 [訪問者]
剛發現咱ㄟ系主任安琪姐姐照片被PO上來了XD
http://www.age.toko.edu.tw/upload/attachment.php?aid=490
幫忙加入後援會:P

朝朝代代 對現有的狀況多
多少少都會有不滿
總會有勇者 有英雄 挺身而出
希望改變社會 希望讓世界更美好
出發點 總是好的吧!
然而革命一定有流血犧牲
總沒有人希望犧牲的是自己

沒有英雄雙手是乾淨清白的
總是沾滿了鮮血不是嗎

部隊出發點是好的
他們希望社會 希望政府 可以正視教學品質

但是請支持假考的流血英雄們 不要否認一件事:
你們是踏著 部分今年考生的未來 踩著他人的屍體在抗爭
你們同時也踐踏著
被教育部或社會認定評鑑不佳學校或財團底下
依舊認真學習的學生與認真教學的老師
他們沒有聲音 他們無法有聲音

對他們而言 戰火是很遠的事情 認真通過評鑑 認真生活 認真工作
才是最恰當的!

電影或漫畫常出現的劇情
如果要殺一個小孩 就可拯救一千人

........殺? 或 不殺?

誰有資格按下那顆按鈕.而不引起任何異議?

既然今天選擇挺身當部隊戰士!
請要有農民拿雞蛋丟的覺悟心胸!
爽快地接受噓聲吧XD"
2008-07-26 @ 23:29
迴響 from: 失憶老人 [訪問者]
總有些人認為:
人,是有分階級的
不是絕頂聰明的人,沒有機會生存
所以不聰明的人,只能給他們次等的

我建議這種心態的人,看看赫胥黎的『美麗新世界』。

誰不希望自己「每一公分都是正阿爾法」
但真正屬於正阿爾法的人,冷血得令人害怕
2008-07-26 @ 23:55
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 失憶老人 [訪問者]

外面打雷了,希望鳳凰颱風快快過~快快好。
今天有個同梯給我看了緬甸水災的照片,
物資缺乏.救援設備不足,造成重大災情損失,
在台灣的朋友可能很難去想像其慘狀。
優劣
勝敗
強弱
這些面向,比較級下,每個人都有可能成為某方面的(相對)弱者。
而這並非假設,而是事實。能舉的例子太多了。

搞不好下一刻這些正在罵的人,就變成了弱者。

>>誰不希望自己「每一公分都是正阿爾法」
>>但真正屬於正阿爾法的人,冷血得令人害怕

這些正在罵的人,實在不可怕,
都是些半瓶水響叮噹的人。
2008-07-27 @ 00:16
迴響 from: 薛荷玉 [訪問者]
我是這篇討論文章的當事人—聯合報記者薛荷玉。抱歉我因對電腦操作不太熟悉,昨天寫了第一點以後,以為沒有成功貼上來,今天續補第二至五點。

第二,為什麼幾篇報導的人數不一,或說成長,但人數未增加呢?這是因為假考
支持者多半由網路來聯絡,每當媒體報導,次日網站點閱率增高,留言人數就會增加。會有人說支持,有人說會去考,但說支持的人,最後不見得去報名,報名的不見能去應考,因此,發起人掌握的人數一直在變動中,我們在報導時,掌握人數也出現困難。

其實,在指考第二天,我們彰化的地方記者,也採訪到一群自稱是假考的成員。我向發起人查證,他也嚇了一跳,後來再查之前的聯絡記錄,發現很可能是活動早期有聯絡過,後來卻「失聯」的成員。

我也有採訪到雖然報名,但考試當天公司有事、無法請假應考者,還有一位現讀科大的學生,他因住南部的祖母生日,最終沒能應考,我也看到了他五科缺考的成績單。

第三, 最終應考有百人也不算多,有沒有報導的價值呢?其實,人數並非報導價值唯一衡量的標準。有時,我們也會被主管問到,反高學費聯盟有幾人?反蘇花高有幾人等。

在這些新聞裡,我們常可看到在網上支持的人,絕對比付諸行動的人多,
因許多人因種種原因,即使心裡支持,不見得有時間、心力去參與實際的行動,但如果這行動,能代表社會一部分人的心聲,仍有報導的價值。

舉一個最極端的例子,就是「教改阿甘」,這行動裡有幾人呢?只有一人。但為何他來教育部時,連部長都會撥出時間見他呢?董宗華先生並沒有與教育相關的顯赫經歷,但因他主張的是很多人認為不公平,也就是學測綁指考的問題,反對者眾,但不見得都能來教育部前靜坐抗議,後來,因他的抗議,教育部更改規定,明年起,學測成績就不綁指考了,學子們不見得需要兩樣都得考。

媒體的發達,的確改變了一些事情,過去只有有權有勢的人能拿到麥克風,掌有發言權。但現在,即使你是小人物,只有一個人,也有機會透過媒體發聲,並且去改變一些事情。我們看到不少小蝦米對抗大鯨魚的事,都是這樣的。像一些把愛傳出去的行動,最初可能都只有一人,但他的理念若能打動一些人(不可能是全部人),就能有迴響。

我報導教育新聞的資歷尚淺,但過去十幾年報導環保新聞時,可以見到許多這樣的例子,一些反水庫、火力發電廠的新聞,出面抗議者也許只有十餘人,但他背後代表的並不只這些人。

2008-07-27 @ 01:47
迴響 from: 機車妹 [訪問者]
推 戰場上的農民一枚 跟失憶老人
我非常贊同他們的想法
如果都以自己的意志與價值觀強加在他們身上
這跟納粹我覺得已經沒甚麼不同
惡劣的民族不值的有生存的權利?

對於言論自由 大家都很寬容的說 "我不同意 你說的話,但我誓死捍衛你說話的權利"
但對於別人未必走跟你一樣的升學過程就視為異類 要剝奪他們獲的高等教育的權利

今天我覺得不論如何都要捍衛他們想要接受高等教育的 "權利"
他們有沒有能力撐下去 有沒有努力學到東西 這都是他們自己的選擇
我們不知道 不過自有市場機制去警惕他們

To Pege
對於很多人憂心 這些人進了大學卻混了四年 我覺得可以從學校把關得機制做起
美國有很多大學都有所謂一定要修過一些先修課 達到一定的成績才讓你修下一門課
如果沒有 請你重修到你有資格向下修為止 或又要先經過一個資格小考 確定你有資格
才收你來上這一門課 所以學校的把關是可以把關 讓能畢業的學生有一定的水準

我覺得大學 要是門檻低 就要畢業困難來把關 一邊刷掉一些不努力的人
本來自覺得考完大考 就由你玩四年的人根本就是不思努力的人
就算你念名校 照樣被淘汰

技職學校 有的事實作技術與經驗 大學生學到的是理論 當然念技職學校的絕對不會失去他們的優勢
當你自以為大學進去後就不思努力 以後找不到工作 跟技職畢業 薪水高高
人總是要填飽肚子 技職畢業有穩定工作 反而我覺得會是他們的重要性變高

有時間去擔心 去剝奪這些人的受教育權
不如想想 以後馬總統承認大陸學歷 你有甚麼能力跟大陸精英競爭
我有大陸來的同學跟我說 北京大學相當於中國的哈佛大學
他們根本不把其他學校放在眼中 台灣的學生應該要準備好一場硬戰了

自以為英雄 跑去假考 不過是要顯示自己隨便考也可以考到一些成績的優越感
很抱歉 你的優越感 在大陸同學或印度同學眼中 根本不算甚麼
台灣只會越來有越多各地來的競爭者
要改革 很多方法可以做 打壓一些真正努力的老師與想向學的學生
真是吃飽太閒
2008-07-27 @ 01:48
迴響 from: 薛荷玉 [訪問者]
第四, 是不是只有聯合報報導這條新聞?大家只要簡單地上網查一下,就知並非如此。

即以「萬人考大學」最後公布攻擊名單時,因上網時間是上午九點,首先報導的是聯晚,當日也有不少電子媒體報導,次日除聯合報,蘋果、自由、中時等也都有報導。

本報在報導時,也力求平衡,除了採訪假考的成員,也訪了學校、教育部、分發會、甚至律師。也會請嘉義的記者來報導稻江學生的反應。在本報的民意論壇,也可見到不少投書反對假考的意見,因社會多元,不同的人本有多元的意見,我們應該儘量呈現出來,不應一面倒。

第五, 假考行動反對的不是低分學校,而是被教育部評鑑不通過的三十一系所。因此,去年十八分的系所並不在攻擊之列,該系評鑑結果是「待觀察」,我在幾個月前教育部公布評鑑結果時,還特別把這一點獨立出來報導,因評鑑委員對該系有不少好評,並稱讚老師及學生都很認真。

事實上,也有國立大學的部分系所被評「未通過」,台大尚未評鑑,但據了解,部分系所也不見得能全數過關。

據我了解,假考成員反對的是收了學生學費,卻無法提供相應品質的系所,希望他們加速退場。這一點,教育部也在做,但認為應該給這些系所改進的機會,我也曾訪過負責評鑑的高教評鑑中心董事長劉維琪,呈現出不同的看法,這些報導大家都可在網上找到。

寫了這許多,不是希望說服大家贊同假考的行動,而能在了解之後,基於這些事實,或是可供查證的資訊,做出公允的評論。謝謝。









2008-07-27 @ 01:50
迴響 from: TK [訪問者]
>假考成員反對的是收了學生學費,卻無法提供相應品質的系所

真正有權利反對爛系所的,是已經繳了學費正在就讀的學生們。他們付出了與其他大學一樣高的學費,卻沒有得到一樣的設備與資源。真正有權力喊詐欺的是這些學生!

而這些學生也不是沒有反制學校的能力,
一、直接退學,參加重考 若是發現被騙了,不會笨到連騙四年,現在大學錄取率這麼高,當然不會選原來的學校就讀。
二、一年後參加其他"優秀"大學的轉學考,每年各大學的轉學考名額與錄取率都很高,甚至比參加指考來的容易進自己當初想要的學校!
三、在校內推行學生運動,向校方爭取師資與設備,大學的學生會與系學會不是只會辦聯誼開舞會而已。

若是以上三項反制方式,都沒有在爛學校中大量發生,那就有幾種可能:
1.學生根本不知道他們有這些權益與方法,不過,在這種資訊發達的網路時代還可能有這種猿人學生嗎?
2.學生已經爛到哪管師資與設備,只想順利畢業,那是學生的自由意志。
3.學校有在改進中,學生願意給學校機會,一起成長。
4.學生一點都不覺得自己讀了是爛系所。

畢盡,自己的成就是自己努力得來的,名校的光環只是讓這些人有個好起跑點。但是不是絕對!
術業有專攻!假考部隊發起人hero跟稻江餐飲系學生比賽中餐烹調,相信學歷、英文程度與指考成績不會讓你燒的菜變的更好吃!

沒有正在就學的學生會希望自己學校的名聲,成為未來社會給自己貼上的標籤。


而現在,真正把目前這些系所的名聲搞的更爛的,不是這些在學的低分學生,也不是學店學校,而是高喊著正義的"假考部隊"!
2008-07-27 @ 02:25
迴響 from: TK [訪問者]
而現在,真正把目前這些系所的名聲搞的更爛的,不是這些在學的低分學生,也不是學店學校,而是高喊著正義的"假考部隊"!

補上一句:還有隨之起舞、唯恐天下不亂、消費爛系學生權益的媒體記者!
2008-07-27 @ 02:35
迴響 from: 真考部隊 [訪問者]

首先給薛荷玉記者拍拍手。願意直接面對讀者,勇氣跟責任感十足。

不過,閣下還是沒有抓住重點:朱大要鞭的是,為什麼最多可能只是二十幾個人考大學,卻灌水成「上百人」?

在數字上斤斤計較看起來很無聊,但對一個社會運動而言,數字代表的是發起者的群眾基礎,乃至於訴求正當性的高低。參加的人越多,行動看起來越正義,不然當年紅衫軍為什麼以「百萬人」為傲?

少數人針對特定議題進行抗議,而且想利用媒體製造出風起雲湧、萬人響應的「感覺」,這是典型的社會抗議策略,沒什麼稀奇。問題在於記者覺得這題目值得報導,因為理解而生同情,以致沒有發現自己已經被操弄。

「支持者多半由網路來聯絡...有人說支持,有人說會去考,但說支持的人,最後不見得去報名,報名的不見能去應考,因此,發起人掌握的人數一直在變動中,我們在報導時,掌握人數也出現困難。」

閣下既然承認報導時掌握人數出現困難,為什麼還是完全接受「核心」人物的說法,而未加查證?特別是連發起人自己都無法確定,所以只能給一個大約的數字的時候?

不知道人數到底多少,就說不知道。發起人可以為了壯聲勢造假唬爛,記者難道也可以跟著打馬虎眼?

閣下的解釋,個人相當失望。
2008-07-27 @ 14:13
迴響 from: vita---她的家鄉。她的綿羊。 [訪問者]
樓上,好!
2008-07-27 @ 14:23
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
朱大的演講主題叫做革命吧!年輕人
是說每個年輕朋友需要找到自己生命的熱情,
不要害怕失敗,不要逃避革命
有時候,在社會上成為有用的人,
不一定要專業,或者高學歷。
卻也可以叱吒風雲。

假考部隊卻是過度侷限於學歷,所以才會做出這樣激烈的行為。這種稱不上革命的政變。

其實我看到社會上的現象是,大學畢業者的薪水卻不比碩士畢業的要低,
發展也未必不好。

因為人材的優劣,不只是專業能力,電腦操作能力,外語能力等等,
有更大的部份是來自創造力,思考力,自我掌控,eq等等的軟實力。
這些軟實力可不見得台大畢業就絕對會有!

假考部隊的行為,同時也在扼殺別人的培養軟實力的機會。
同樣的,那些不合格人才,出社會自然會學到教訓。

學力並不是絕對,看看郭台銘就知道。
(雖然在我眼哩,有錢不等於成功)


2008-07-27 @ 15:58
迴響 from: 薛荷玉 [訪問者]
真考部隊,這裡又有些誤解產生了。我說的是親眼見到成績單的有十餘位,但因有人不住台北,或在台北無法來開會,經網路及電話掌握的是百位。不是說我把二十幾人,灌成百人。
人數有變動是這樣的,這個活動在今年三月我報導之前,在網路上進行有一段時間,也就是說,開始到現在約半年了,有些當初說要去考的人,最後可能因種種狀況沒有去,隨著一關關(報名、考試、填成績分發階段)人數會變化,無法跟半年前,或三個月、一個月前保持一致。

2008-07-27 @ 15:59
迴響 from: Page [訪問者]
如果參與假考部隊的成員,
其出發點只是為了維護大學精英圖騰(還是什麼碗糕優越感,隨便),
其心態是自己隨便考考就可以排擠幾個低分學生的自high心態,
那...這些人還真是蠻機車的耶~

不過呢,就是因為我看了新聞(文字新聞)不是給我這種感覺所以才想要加入這個行動;
在我的認知裡,這個行動的起因,是大學浮濫而政府的退場機制太遲緩,所以發起這個行動,消滅爛系所,迫使相關單位加速處理這個問題。

對於大學浮濫這個問題點我相當認同,也希望政府趕快加速處理,挽救我們的教育體系。可是矛盾的是,憑什麼由你(指參與者)決定哪個系所是爛系所?就算大家都心知肚明那就是爛系所,也該由一套正式的評鑑系統來處理,否則就是私刑了。這也是我的疑慮。

至於是不是打壓了學生的受教權,就要看你從哪個角度想了。目前大學的門檻並不合理,如果我的參加會排擠到某個"本來就不夠qualified不過因為現在18分就可以上大學因此得以進大學的學生",那我會說聲很抱歉,如果你有心向學的話還是有其他管道學習的。

花美男的同學的故事,真是令人感佩,我尊敬這種在逆境中向上的人。
但這畢竟是少數,而且我相信有心向學的學生,一定不會只考超低分(不想再提那個數字了,會對去年那位孫山同學感到不好意思)
至於那些只提少數特例,說得好像低分學生、後段系所的老師全都是多麼有心向學又努力的言論,看了只覺得可笑。需要這麼二分法嗎?因為反對那些人所謂的"自以為正義的手段",就忽略他們訴求中合理的部份? 用少數特例概括美化所有爛學生?
老實說,我就是認同:爛系所爛老師不該繼續存在!不要讓零分上大學這種事發生! 不是因為擔心爛學校多,還是故意想害爛學生沒學校念;而是擔心整個國家教育的走向,更不願看到大眾將高學歷更視為理所當然,整個社會風氣就是一股文憑至上的觀念,做白領以外的工作等同於低階。在美國看到不管是哪個行業,工作就是工作都受到尊重,不會被看輕,年輕人願意做,薪水也夠生活,覺得好羨慕~ 不像在亞洲,必須出人頭地、有一份好工作才能有好生活的壓迫感好可怕!

嗚嗚有點離題了,似乎跟假考沒有直接的影響關係。不過呢,希望有一天這個世界是人人可以上大學-----真正有興趣唸書做研究求學問的人都可以進去;想當農夫的就當農夫,種出好吃的芭樂而且不會因為當農夫就娶不到老婆;像這種念了電機進了竹科出了國卻還是對所學沒啥興趣又不快樂的人,會少一點。

就從消滅爛系所開始吧,如果沒有其他阻止教育系統繼續惡化的idea發聲,假考至少是個方式啊?!這行動可以給教育當局壓力迫使他們盡速作調整不是嗎? 還是誰有什麼其他的方法呢說說看啊??
2008-07-27 @ 18:38
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
樓上說的好,那幹嘛去假考呀?「爛系所爛老師不該繼續存在!不要讓零分上大學這種事發生! 」

拿把槍把這些讀爛大學的人通通殺死嘛!爛老師還可以多給幾槍!就算裡面有幾個認真向學的學生,就算是誤殺好了,請他們為社會盡忠吧!

Lucifer

納粹當時也是說猶太人壟斷金融很該死,所以就先從排擠他們進入社會體系開始幹起,然後下一步就是動手了!

閣下倒底是誰,有資格憑自己的意志決定誰該存在誰不該存在?
2008-07-27 @ 18:44
迴響 from: 戰場上的農民一枚 [訪問者]
部隊的戰士先生PAGE
您的戰火殺得農民好痛啊

"相信有心向學的學生,一定不會只考超低分"
根據從何而來?
有些農民就是看不懂英文國文跟數學.
在考試制度下 就是無法有優勢!

所以我們就活該被假考部隊的人"審判"說:
你的競爭力這麼爛!我想以後你進社會也活不下去!
現在就給你一刀讓你清醒吧!
...是這樣嗎?

未來的世界大門
聯考18分的人與畜牲不得進入....?
2008-07-27 @ 19:00
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
假考部隊,偉哉!
社會上的遊民同樣的也造成社會負擔
請你們順便去把他們處理掉吧!
雖然離題了~但我是說真的!

2008-07-27 @ 19:07
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
就從消滅爛系所開始吧,如果沒有其他阻止教育系統繼續惡化的idea發聲,假考至少是個方式啊?!這行動可以給教育當局壓力迫使他們盡速作調整不是嗎? 還是誰有什麼其他的方法呢說說看啊??

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

嚴格說起來,學校方面不會有重大傷害喔。

上學期人數過少,你看X理大學台灣文學系就知道。

下學期轉學考就補回來啦(下學期喔!)

你們太天真了

自己上網去搜尋吧,我懶得爭論事實。
2008-07-27 @ 19:14
迴響 from: 輕輕走過 [訪問者]
寧可錯殺100也不可放過一人嗎.......
那應該把先低收入戶和無業遊民們通通抓去關才對
因為那些人都是可怕的未爆彈啊!!
天知道哪天他們會因為沒錢鋌而走險~~~~
即使其中不少人每天認真過活,安分守己
也只能跟他們說抱歉,誰叫你們沒錢~~~~~~~~~~~
相信那些沒錢的人消失在社會上
我們就能活在烏托邦了
整個就是世間無大愛啊~~~

2008-07-27 @ 19:17
迴響 from: vita---她的家鄉。她的綿羊。 [訪問者]
to page先生:

迴響來自: Page [訪問者]
>.....!而是擔心整個國家教育的走向,更不願看到大眾將高學歷更視為理所當然,整個社會風氣就是一股文憑至上的觀念,做白領以外的工作等同於低階。在美國看到不管是哪個行業,工作就是工作都受到尊重,不會被看輕,年輕人願意做,薪水也夠生活,覺得好羨慕~ 不像在亞洲,必須出人頭地、有一份好工作才能有好生活的壓迫感好可怕!.....>


我理解不能為什麼「社會風氣就是一股文憑至上」,跟大學多不多有關係?
(我個人比較覺得這是中國人自古思想---)
以前大學不多,社會上還是文馮至上的觀念吧!
至於所謂「白領以外工作等同於低階」,我還是覺得這是中國人自古思想--orz,

(是我腦袋壞了嗎??
頭在痛還要一直講話的vita)
2008-07-27 @ 19:57
迴響 from: 真考部隊.2號 [訪問者]

首先給薛荷玉記者拍拍手。願意直接面對讀者,勇氣跟責任感十足。+1

不過,閣下可能還是沒有抓住真考部隊要表達的重點:既然在過程中掌握人數有困難,為什麼不直接在報導中承認無法掌握確實人數?

新聞報導的首要特點不就是「真實準確」嗎?如果在掌握人數上有困難,卻在報導中不斷重複「萬人假考部隊」參與人數百人以上,難道真的不會對讀者造成「印象的引導」?

閣下在文中提到:
「媒體的發達,的確改變了一些事情,過去只有有權有勢的人能拿到麥克風,掌有發言權。但現在,即使你是小人物,只有一個人,也有機會透過媒體發聲,並且去改變一些事情。我們看到不少小蝦米對抗大鯨魚的事,都是這樣的。像一些把愛傳出去的行動,最初可能都只有一人,但他的理念若能打動一些人(不可能是全部人),就能有迴響。」

讓我們真實感受到閣下您對記者身份的期許,與強烈的對追求社會公義的使命感!這樣的精神是可敬的!

然而,媒體以「選擇」報導的內容,掌有左右「輿論」的能力,責任之大是不言可喻的。真考部隊指出:「問題在於記者覺得這題目值得報導,因為理解而生同情,以致沒有發現自己已經被操弄。」是否也值得閣下深思。


2008-07-27 @ 19:58
迴響 from: SYIN [訪問者]
假如迫使評鑑不合格校系退場,讓想十八分念大學的人唸不到學校
等同納粹屠殺猶太人的話
那幾十年前大學只有30%錄取率算是什麼?
世界毀滅嗎?

假如像是朱大說沒有人可以憑自己意志決定校系該不該存在
那到底是誰的意志決定那些校系可以存在?
決定讓大學錄取率百分之百的那些教育官員
都是不可質疑永遠正確的存在嗎?
2008-07-27 @ 20:15
迴響 from: TK [訪問者]
Page的論點頗有趣,看看其他國家對於大學教育的目的有哪些看法。http://edt1023.blogspot.com/2006/01/blog-post.html
http://www.sinica.edu.tw/info/edu-reform/farea8/j08/06.html
本國的相關論文
大學教師教學目的與策略
http://huang.cc.ntu.edu.tw/pdf/CCB3408.pdf
從博雅到通識:大學教育理念的發展與現況
http://homepage.ntu.edu.tw/~jiang/PDF/B15.pdf

現在社會對於大學教育的期待,變成不是給予獨立思考的思想與專業知識的所在,反倒是把大學當成職業訓練中心,學歷變成證照,畢業是為了就業。
國內普遍有種迷思,名校學生分數高、會唸書、學校品管好,所以出廠品質也一定好。國內企業為了省去驗證新鮮人能力的時間與麻煩,直接用名校畢業的學生,因為比例上比較不會遇到地雷。反倒是個人的素質、職業道德以及對工作的熱誠,被畢業學校的排名先入為主觀念給壓制住了!

那這樣何必須要大學教育?廣開職訓中心、巨X電腦、X承電腦等職業補習班不就夠了?學個一學期就找的到工作,學費也比念四年少。為什麼不去?

就是因為現在大學變多了,新設的系所讓學生的選擇變多了,以前只有世新台藝的學生能學廣電相關技術,現在變成選擇有很多。不過社會與企業依然不想多花點精神在分辨個人素質與培養,只想追求名牌,直接接收已經加工完成的產品幫助自己公司獲利。試想一下,這樣的社會與企業,是不是一但員工失去利用價值就可以直接丟棄,用其他剛畢業的新鮮人去取代呢?

一但這個社會,學歷變成評斷一個人的第一印象,而非處事態度與學習精神,這是令一種階級歧視的開始!
雖然身在島國,卻千萬不要有島國心態啊!
2008-07-27 @ 20:30
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
會看不出這樣的行為和納粹有什麼差異的人大概也不該進大學對吧?

猶太人本來就會死,但由納粹的主張和行動是因為納粹覺得你看不過去,所以讓他現在死,請問這跟讓猶太人自然死亡有什麼差別?科科科.....

Lucifer

幹這已經進入常識缺乏的階段了,照你的邏輯來看你媽根本不該把你生下來,因為怎麼可能生出這麼缺乏常識的小孩,這是我們社會不需要的呀!
2008-07-27 @ 21:05
迴響 from: 輕輕走過 [訪問者]
教育部的決定被質疑又不是一天兩天了
SYIN批判前要先做功課
任何決定都可以被質疑
問題是質疑跟採取極端的行動乃至影響無辜的人的權益是兩回事
那些現在就讀你們口中該被"消滅'系所的學生就活該倒楣?
健保費跟稅制甚至許多法律都被批評有缺失跟漏洞
閣下應該要從逃漏稅跟拒繳健保費做起
進而從事以"督促立法委員更完善保障人民的法律"為名的犯罪為樂啊
路都為你舖好了
安心上路吧
2008-07-27 @ 21:46
迴響 from: 愛的結晶體 [訪問者]
幹~人倫慘劇啦~
什麼歪理!

題外話:
台灣基本操守跟道德教育,好像出了問題~
怎麼有這種偏差的思維邏輯?
問題根本不是出在大學,而是國小!


2008-07-27 @ 21:50
迴響 from: 少數特例 [訪問者]
其他的大家都講得很好。只補充一下「少數特例」這一點。

對你來說人家是少數特例。對人家來說,這就是他真真實實的、唯一的人生耶!

嗯,這兒的人大概有不少看過蔣太的壽司吧。好像有這麼一句話唷:你覺得那是你每天捏幾百個壽司的其中一個。對客人來說,這就是他唯一的一個呀。

樂生那些人也是少數特例嘛。同性戀也是少數呀。如果是風馬牛不相及的「少數特例」也就算了,現在人家根本就是直接受到假考部隊行動衝擊的對象,還在那邊說人家是少數特例,不肯負責一點呀?

口口聲聲關懷「國家教育方向」啦、「社會風氣」啦、「希望有一天這個世界是」如何如何的人連這點基本的關懷都沒有,那多恐怖呀?
2008-07-27 @ 23:00
迴響 from: desh [訪問者]
"相信有心向學的學生,一定不會只考超低分"
有些人讀不起來就是讀不起來,你說他沒有心向學嗎?
或者是你那些所謂"有心向學"的學生考試可能那天剛好拉肚子、出小車禍、睡過頭...等等
然後剛好拿了個超低分呢?

典型以偏概全
2008-07-27 @ 23:24
迴響 from: bill1712 [訪問者]
薛小姐在那邊疾呼[小蝦米鬥大鯨魚]的偉大媒體精神,有沒有至少去hero的網站留個回應?你知不知道一嘴批判,一身熱血,一整個看不起教育體制,一心替他人決定人生的hero先生,他的網站預設回應方式是[悄悄話]?也就是只有hero網站板主願意給人看的回應,你才看得到!他們連讓人先回應再刪文的勇氣都沒有!

不要告訴我這種機制是為了保護誰,少騙鬼,這是匿名的網路世界!他們只是為了保護自己!

沒有接受批判的能力,卻極端的批判爛成績的學生,這叫有勇氣的小蝦米?請不要蝦米!不過是個沒種的廢渣帶著幾隻被他騙的傻鳥!
2008-07-27 @ 23:49
迴響 from: bill1712 [訪問者]
請不要污辱蝦米~~

還有,照HERO他們的邏輯,依評價與前後模糊對不起來的回應來看,目前薛小姐新聞報導能力也是爛媒的亂源,是不是該被淘汰或消滅?好讓媒體好好警覺振作?
2008-07-27 @ 23:55
迴響 from: 人生不是只有學歷和錢 [訪問者]
我沒上大學,應該說我讀的是五專,而且是倒數的(上大學時可抵大一.二的學分,所以算是有念到一半吧?)
專五時休學邊打工邊照顧身體微恙的母親,
後來母親狀況穩定後直接辦理肄業出社會工作賺取家用,
現在是社會上一顆安份工作的小螺絲釘.

我沒上大學,但我自學日文考上日檢一级,店裡有日本客來時都被推出去做做國民外交,我不知道我為什麼要被某些人"消滅"或移居火星?

五專時班上有位同學是以全校最高分入校,
當時以他的分數大可念公立高中,
但他會選擇念這間五專只是因為離家近,
後來畢業也沒去考大學,先就職三年後再直接讀研究所.

所以我這位同學也該被消滅?只因他只想讀離家近的學校?

記者小姐的回應看起來無辜,我寧願相信他只是太傻太天真太自以為是的被利用來宣傳造勢,而不是假考部隊共謀之一,
但是對我來說,無知,也是一種罪過,尤其當您的身分還是個足以影響很多人的時候,若您的報導無法做到中立我想您也該回去重讀大學了.

至於那自稱英雄的HERO先生以及上面很幸運有好工作好收入的白領階級先生,
你看不起分數不高上不了好學校的人,
卻也沒想過你每天吃的飯菜魚肉是怎麼來的?
都是那些幾乎只有國小國中學歷,辛苦的農漁夫們每天種植養出來的.
沒有他們你讀到博士再有錢我看你怎麼用錢變出一桌子食物?

更何況還有些連朱大重點在哪都不知道的人,
重點都不會劃當初怎麼考試上大學的?

少將你們的自以為是強塞給他人,
只會讓我想到五個字:狗眼看人低

2008-07-28 @ 01:19
迴響 from: 發言 [訪問者]
我只是想說,以前錄取率超低的年代,一到考季就聽聞很多考生跳樓自殺的。

那個時候的大學生是很值錢,但回到那個年代真的會比較好嗎?
2008-07-28 @ 05:33
迴響 from: ABCDEF [訪問者]

其實朱Sir的重點, 我不是很清楚. 故以下的發言有可能偏離主題.

大學系所如何退場, 其實教育部有訂出辦法. 從評鑑, 減招, 降低學費, 停招. 若你不喜歡這個方法, 應該寫信給立委, 召開公聽會, 讓教育部面對這個問題, 修改系所退場辦法.

今日假考部隊是動用私刑的方式, 執行一個系所死刑. 武俠小說中"武林敗類, 人人得而誅之"的方式, 不適用在今日社會, 就算是"敗類, 強盜"也得經過法律審判, 才能處以死刑. 不論假考部隊是1人也好, 萬人也好, 我都反對其做法.
2008-07-28 @ 07:36
迴響 from: TK [訪問者]
如果hero真的是網友所指的那位記錄片導演,那...會不會不久之後,沿襲著"電車男"模式,我們會看到一部"死亡筆記本--假考部隊全記錄"的小說或是紀錄片在台灣上市呢?

我們這幾天甚至幾個月來的紛紛擾擾,都會變成影片中的題材呢?我們再怎麼義憤填膺,到時候都全了跑龍套的角色。

吾人皆中計呼?
2008-07-28 @ 08:19
迴響 from: OCEAN [訪問者]
回應: 假考部隊的新聞有多假?
人生不是只有學歷和錢 [訪問者]

嗯..你是好孩子!加油加油加油!!
2008-07-28 @ 08:20
迴響 from: 改革高等教育門檻 [訪問者]
大學錄取只要51%就好了,因為要照顧多數人,又不能讓文憑貶值。為何不讓文憑貶值?物價上漲大家會喜歡嗎?不喜歡的話,又何必讓大學文憑貶值?

我覺得義務教育很好,但是是否該改成:例如12年義務,保障你念12年學費減免,12年內順利畢業可領畢業證書,若留級則超過12年自己全額負擔學費,想繼續念到畢業就繼續念,未完成義務教育領肄業證書,。跳級生可以將未用完的學費減免繼續在大學內使用。讓國家輔助落實到個人身上。

至於那些沒考上大學的怎麼辦?其實政策應該也會有,例如強迫上技職教育學校(有工作者可免上)。

台灣的教育其實應該有能夠改善的地方,只是檯面的政治人物太爛了。
2008-07-29 @ 15:44
迴響 from: TK [訪問者]
回應: 改革高等教育門檻
文憑會貶值嗎?按照樓上的說法,文憑貶值的原因是因為大家都有大學讀,以後人人是大學生,讀大學沒有什麼了不起,所以依照金融市場機制,鈔票印多了就會貶值,所以大學文憑印多了也會貶值。

大學文憑真的像鈔票一樣屬於有價證卷嗎?讀了大學有了文憑就等於有工作也等於有錢?是這樣嗎?

版上其他有讀過"大學"的朋友們,以上的理論能夠成立嗎?好像不是這樣吧...
讀了大學就有工作這個迷思就像媽媽跟你說讀了大學就可以交到女朋友一樣虛假!

大學畢業的意義,只代表你"應該"已經接受了一套高等教育的洗禮,懂得獨立思考,了解該科領域的專業知識與技術。
接下來從事相關工作時,你可以用你習得的知識與技術去解決困難或是做更深入的學習。
可是,這個工作能不能到你手上,跟大學文憑有關係嗎?跟個人的興趣、熱情與專業訓練程度比較有關吧!

如果大學畢業就有工作,那各家公司為何還要用各種測驗去檢出適合的員工?

而且,自由國家的人民沒有不工作、不念書的自由嗎?不想讀大學就要強迫上技職教育學校?我回家種田不行嗎?在網路上做Y拍謀生不行嗎?在街頭畫畫當藝術家不行嗎?個人的價值是建立在有沒有大學文憑之上嗎?

以前大家擠破頭想上大學,是因為以前的大學是代表著學識與就業保證,所以南陽街補習班林立,莘莘學子在巨大壓力下只懂唸書不懂做人。
現在大學林立,我們可以不想念高中的無聊教科書,指考零分也可能上大學,但南陽街的生意有因此下降嗎?想進明星大學的學生,依然頂著壓力用功讀書。不喜歡數學,不喜歡英文,但是喜歡研究各國美食的後段班學生,就要因此失去上某些提供這種科系的後段班大學的機會嗎?

台灣社會喊了多元價值這麼久,在實質上卻依然用以前的那一套去評斷學生,其實最該被教育的不是所謂了濫校與濫學生,而是這個充滿先入為主與階級歧視的社會!
2008-07-29 @ 20:37
迴響 from: Ted [訪問者]
to page先生:
迴響來自: Page [訪問者]
..........如果我的參加會排擠到某個"本來就不夠qualified不過因為現在18分就可以上大學因此得以進大學的學生",那我會說聲很抱歉,如果你有心向學的話還是有其他管道學習的................

同理:
我因為擔心宅宅+puma這種組合會導致社會不安,而四處搶宅宅的馬子,避免宅宅被騙。
如果搞錯對象,那我會說聲很抱歉,如果你有心尋找真愛的話還是有其他正妹的..

要不要一起組成夜店小隊,幫助涉世未深的宅宅們


2008-07-30 @ 01:38
迴響 from: ptt [訪問者]
你很無聊耶 沒有接受媒體採訪就表示沒有參加假考部隊嗎

黑特鄉民也不少有參加的 淡市沒接受採訪
2008-07-30 @ 02:08
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
那你乾脆說全宇宙的人都來台灣考試好啦!

Lucifer

傻兵~~~
2008-07-30 @ 05:37
迴響 from: daniel [訪問者]
看著支持假考者「成績差的學生可以怎樣怎樣」的有如丟垃圾般安排他人未來,每一篇回應的嘴臉,讓我更堅定支持朱大,然後請你們這些品格都有問題的傻鳥從小學讀起。
人格爛成一陀泥,然後說教育者太爛,什麼東西!
2008-07-30 @ 08:56
迴響 from: wp [訪問者]
雖然無法證明其他人的存在,但也無法證明其他人不存在啊?

也許朱大對這件事情多所反對,不過至少它讓社會大眾更正視到大學系所浮濫的問題。
2008-07-30 @ 12:25
迴響 from: 鄉民 [訪問者]
他只會說沒辦法證明有一百人假考

但是是他質疑人家

他應該要證明沒有一百人假考吧 

朱學恆有什麼證據證明沒有一百人假考?

個別報名佔七八千人 他要怎麼證明沒有一百人假考?
2008-07-30 @ 12:43
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
甲賽啦你,跟你們說回小學去重學邏輯就不聽。

文章是他寫的,當然他要負舉證責任。

Lucifer

不然有一個人就可以寫成一萬個人,這世界是不是更好?

因為不存在的人其他人不能證明其不存在,所以就可以隨便寫?

我只看到這證明了大學畢業生浮濫的問題。
2008-07-30 @ 12:52
迴響 from: 河流裡 [訪問者]
有幾個假考部隊不是重點
講都講不聽
一直要求彼此舉證到底有幾個假考部隊很無聊耶

重點是不是應該放在:
「是不是炒新聞?」或是「大學教育品質」上面

我相信有人真心想來假考卻被說成炒新聞很幹
看得見名號的那幾位假考部隊成員(或是骨幹)的心態或是組織能力(或是號召力)是不是可以來講一講(不管怎樣,起碼記者已經出來講點什麼了啊)
2008-07-30 @ 13:06
迴響 from: daniel [訪問者]
假考部隊出來講一講?你沒去HERO的網站逛逛,預設回應是悄悄話哩~

也就是假考部隊跟隨的是一個沒種面對質疑的廢渣,你期待他們出來講啥?證明自己真的是廢渣等著讓老闆「消滅工作權」嗎?

是不是炒新聞已經很明顯,就是!

大學品質我覺得並不是這件事的重點,那是教育問題的重點,不是只要牽拖到教育,就變成了個重點,我個人認為重點在一群自以為式的偽善者,拿著改革的刀對付他們看不起的人,就這樣。(所以才會有大學很危險等等言論跑出來)
2008-07-30 @ 13:27
迴響 from: 戰場上的農民一枚 [訪問者]
假考部隊就是在炒新聞
不炒新聞他要怎麼伸張正義呢!

也許真的像上面說的
哪天HERO突然現身說
一切都是為了他的新紀錄片:假考革命全追蹤

嘿~嘿~嘿~~~

現在很多新聞都有置入性行銷~!
看新聞影片介紹哪好吃哪好玩與最新購物流行~~!

裸體加屍體等於媒體.
緋聞加醜聞等於新聞!
2008-07-30 @ 14:54
迴響 from: 約翰 [訪問者] · http://blog.sina.com.tw/johnjohnko/
假考部隊做的事真的很奇怪,
比如說,看電影的時候,一堆假排隊的人,卯起來排隊,要買票的時候問東問西佔一堆時間,最後不買票了,害後面一堆人買不到票,原因是這些假排隊的人從評鑑得知這間戲院很差,所以來鬧場,而且這些人根本沒來這間戲院看過。
看出問題了嗎? 這些假排隊的人既無聊又自以為是,關他們屁事啊?戲院再爛也有人願意買票進場啊~~~而且很多人知道評鑑差還是會來看戲啊!
2008-07-30 @ 18:55
迴響 from: Bryan Wang [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/bryanwang
我對「萬人考大學」的看法
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/bryanwang/11736076
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/bryanwang/11738352
2008-07-31 @ 11:35
迴響 from: 台 [訪問者]
本來看到這個新聞只覺得很無聊,
但是看到有關人士的討論,
真是讓人很火大.
自以為是~~

想要消滅不好的學系?

臥槽泥馬.
2008-07-31 @ 12:10
迴響 from: f先生 [訪問者]
朱老師 我是說你是否支持他們的理念 如果支持 是太多成績差學生的學校 還是辦學績效和設施與師資都很濫的學校哪個應該被淘汰
2008-07-31 @ 18:46
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
我支持把這些人淘汰。

Lucifer
2008-07-31 @ 19:32
迴響 from: 朋友 [訪問者]
我的朋友是假考部隊核心成員
無論效果如何
重點是大家開始關切這個問題
那就夠了
基本上,搞活動是沒有對錯的。
2008-08-05 @ 10:44
迴響 from: Daniel [訪問者]
切~好像大家關係「這個話題」是你朋友搞起來的一樣,邏輯果然不如小學生。

「這個話題」如果指教育問題、大學太多問題,那大家早就一直非常關心,你朋友就算被淘汰了大家一樣還是關心,喇賽~

「這個話題」如果指假考作法有排擠到成績差學生的結果、或排擠成績差學生作為手段還自認沒錯的心態,那沒錯,大家關心假考部隊的還真是這個話題,還且結論是去吃屎。

妳媽的真得有心教育改革,自己考上了就去念最爛的學校,不管大學唸過沒有都去重讀,看什麼能耐帶起學校素質,革命重點是自己(還是註一下,小學程度不到的人很難理解這是指假考部隊那些人)去革,不是慷他人之慨拿別人(被影響到、因此活動被看輕的人)去革!
2008-08-06 @ 13:56
迴響 from: 朋友 [訪問者]
人身攻擊?
有點民主素養好嗎
有道是"我不支持你的說法,但是我支持你發言的權力"
舉例來說就算是像朱大的偉大翻譯計畫,難道不會造成犧牲者?
也許翻譯的書商出的書,可能變得不好賣
也許沒辦法上網的學生,學習的資源跟有網路的同學差異得更大!
大家可以來檢驗,而不是謾罵
我不贊許我的朋友他們的作為
但是我樂見有人去做點什麼,
除了在電腦前放馬後砲認為自己比較高桿。
朱大,我不是說你,至少你是在你自己的blog寫出了自己的想法與意見。
2008-08-07 @ 08:43
迴響 from: Daniel [訪問者]
「我的朋友是假考部隊核心成員
無論效果如何
重點是大家開始關切這個問題
那就夠了
基本上,搞活動是沒有對錯的。 」
你他媽的哪一點看到你不贊同?不然沒有對錯是啥意思?

你他媽的有點民主素養好嗎,尊重一下我看到上述言論沒有辦法推論你是持反對然後靠夭你的權利(誰不會套?)

你他媽的連朱大搞得事情與假考部隊的差異都搞不清楚,你乾脆說學歷測驗也會造成差異好了,我一天吃兩碗飯也會造成差異好了,叫你從小學念起嘛!

你他媽的「眾人願意共同遵守或贊同的政策與行為」所形成差異,與「決定他人該如何、替別人決定對錯、拿別人前途來革命的行動」所形成的差異,不是中文都叫差異就行了好嗎?

謾罵跟反駁的差異都看不懂,難怪會贊同廢渣的理念,我說你贊同理念阿,沒說你贊同手段喔,你他媽的贊同廢渣理念!

你他媽的理念聽起來好的,「做點事情」就情有可原?你他媽的你同學有心作點什麼,就能上台大也去讀稻江,唸過大學也照重念一遍,不用去佔別人名額又不去念的自以為革命,拿別人的前途做些什麼是嗎?從小學的品格一課學起!

有點民主素養阿,原諒我打字前面習慣上會加你他媽的,口頭禪阿,別在意反正以你邏輯我原意是好的就行啦,你他媽的!
2008-08-08 @ 09:12
迴響 from: 人都是健忘的動物,鄉民更是 [訪問者]
稻江科技暨管理學院
共37人
^^^^^^至多37人的假考部隊,果真聲勢浩大

身分別 最低分數 同分參酌
一般生 85.55 無
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^感謝假考部隊拉高該系最低錄取分數

原住民學生 90.72 無

(准考證)姓名 (准考證)姓名 (准考證)姓名
(22004514)黃 文 (22018314)翁英修 (22018525)許哲銘
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^偉大的神
(22018734)陳巧馨 (22018832)黃仁璋 (22018940)莊 宸
(22026311)林于庭 (22026623)陳思婷 (22027129)吳偉多
(22027724)張逸群 (22028003)郭力綺 (22028405)黃全斌
(22028413)何宗翰 (22028529)游本立 (22034217)蘇欣儀
(22034718)楊子恆 (22042525)賈伯楷 (22043028)吳宗翰
(22043106)洪麗婷 (22078331)蔡逸傑 (22092127)柯亭君
(22095037)田昆玄 (22100320)劉育汝 (22104407)廖莉琳
(22105218)蔡新猷 (22105312)張天妍 (22108141)黃子芸
(22108240)呂舒媚 (22114736)林祺珺 (23005705)余林澤
(23005718)陳筱涵 (23008031)林世國 (23014632)王建閏
(23014732)游孟維 (23016810)汪玟汝 (23017405)曹珊鳳
(23026528)雷俊傑
2008-08-08 @ 09:21
迴響 from: 馬後砲 [訪問者]
我只會躲在電腦後面放馬後砲,不會直接努力造假讓社會看我放屁耶。

我只會躲在電腦後面放馬後砲,不會出去殺人耶。

我只會躲在電腦後面放馬後砲,不會去假考決定別人的人生耶。

我只會躲在電腦後面放馬後砲,不會出去揮舞大旗讓大家看我自瀆耶。

唉,我還真無能阿,只懂得打打字、尊重尊重他人,那些殺人犯、嚎洨鬼、自大狂、假道學的東西我都學不來,好氣喔~
2008-08-08 @ 09:21
迴響 from: 消滅輔大社會系 [訪問者] · http://blogs.myoops.org/lucifer.php/2008/07/24/fakeexam
號招下次消滅的學系就是賈同學念的
輔大社會系

2009 假考消滅輔大社會系!!
2009 假考消滅輔大社會系!!
2009 假考消滅輔大社會系!!
2008-08-08 @ 20:47
迴響 from: 氣! [訪問者]
幹他媽的一堆廢渣納粹
果然教育失敗 才教出了這種廢渣

號招萬人消滅那五個人的學校如何?
愛秀想紅?
把那5個東西的照片貼在教育部門口如何?
2008-08-09 @ 19:23
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
學校爛不爛、該不該淘汰,我想是該由現在正在參與考試的學生們決定的,他們考上了(不管分數高或低),都得他們願意去唸才行。我想以現在的風氣來看,還是會有學生會為了文憑而去唸書的.......我也曾經做過這種事,考上了一間自己不是很想去唸的夜二技,第二年再考還是上同一間.......於是我只好認命,囧"
很抱歉我唸的不是大學啦,希望等我退休時能夠唸陽間部大學囉.......囧"

可是我想,爛學校也是會有好老師的,起碼我有遇見,但是很遺憾的,他被大多數的學生逼走了........然後我在打老師評鑑的時候給一位OPEN BOOK(完全不教)的老師超爛的評語卻成為眾矢之的,可是.....ANYWAY,自己要對自己的人生負責,當初會再去唸二技確實是因為很多現實的壓力,不論考上的學校好不好,我都該好好的唸,至於出了社會,我想還是要有一技之長與實力比較重要。
無論如何,只要能力許可,我一定會去考我要唸的大學.....就算分數再低、上了新聞被大家笑,我還是會去唸,因為這是我的人生,我考的分數我自己負責、我要不要去註冊唸書我自己決定,用不著你們這些局外人來教我怎麼過我的人生!
2008-08-10 @ 21:14
迴響 from: JOKER [訪問者]
我看完這篇之後去稍微問一下南藝大的事情(很正經的問阿 也不能算去亂)

居然被刪除又被咱們新世界的神列入無名黑名單不能發言

難道那裡是一言堂?還是神怕他的真面目被信眾得知.....
2008-08-11 @ 23:37
迴響 from: JOKER [訪問者]
剛剛才看到薛大記者的留言

"媒體的發達,的確改變了一些事情,過去只有有權有勢的人能拿到麥克風,掌有發言權。但現在,即使你是小人物,只有一個人,也有機會透過媒體發聲,並且去改變一些事情。我們看到不少小蝦米對抗大鯨魚的事,都是這樣的。像一些把愛傳出去的行動,最初可能都只有一人,但他的理念若能打動一些人(不可能是全部人),就能有迴響。"

那麼對於那些後段班大學的學生師生而言

你們假考部隊以及聯合報不也是"大鯨魚"?

難道你們以為自己只是以小蝦米的身份去對抗嗎?

笑死人!自以為是!難怪記者人人厭
2008-08-12 @ 00:09
迴響 from: 假考部隊 [訪問者]


真的有人成功擠掉台大前3志願
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/hero1999tw/10343292&page=2#comments 52樓的

最高分應該是她

400多分


2008-08-12 @ 15:26
迴響 from: TK [訪問者]
18分上大學已經兩年,假考部隊事件也發生整整一年了,這一年來,有不少學校系所整併,不過好像有人認為這是他們的功勞。
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/hero1999tw/11254314
今年,他那沒人氣的部落格,又開始鼓吹重考廢系所,http://www.wretch.cc/blog/hero1999tw/11254314
這頗像前幾週的補習班報紙廣告。
http://www.web66.com.tw/web/NMD?postId=292823

殊不知,很多學生在高中時,基礎科目就沒學好了。
http://mathedu.tw/?p=49

現在,很多大學科系因為招不到學生,而面臨廢系,整併,這是必經的過程,他卻以為這些都是他洞燭機先的結果。
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/hero1999tw/11259058

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/hero1999tw/11283522

朱大,一年了,你可以為了真英雄吳道原警員,重發一次紀念文。那...可以為了受這假英雄所害的後段班大學的莘莘學子們,再發一次記憶喚起文嗎?

這就是這位hero翁英修的尊容。
http://www.ttv.com.tw/News/Reporters.asp?UID=2776


(Lucifer:此人已經過氣,不值一提。虛偽者既然已經過氣,就不需要替他炒人氣。
2009-08-27 @ 04:04
迴響 from: . [訪問者]
*----
哈哈 我現在才看到 我的名字上榜了耶.各人有各人的觀點,不奢望能改變別人的想法,雖然成效不彰,但至少也已經付出過努力過,實際行動過.
低分上大學真的很誇張,到底他們是怎麼考的???高中生耶,不是高職生!只有親身被大學聯考壓力磨練的六年級生才有資格談論這份感觸!
環境會影響個性!是10年前的學生比較幸福還是10年後的學生比較幸運??
以前的學生被體罰不足為怪,現在罰個青蛙跳就可以上新聞,時代潮流都已經變成這樣了.老師們辛苦了,請自私的面對現實吧:少做少錯 不做就不會錯.
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