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有關於作文能力這件事..... (25032 views)
     

由於我是一個關心時事的阿宅。

所以當我今天看到了這個新聞的時候.....

http://mag.udn.com/mag/campus/storypage.jsp?f_MAIN_ID=13&f_SUB_ID=1259&f_ART_ID=145409

一看到大家都說現在的學生寫作文只會用逗點和句點,這樣經典的看法不禁讓我爆氣了!

於是我評論時事的熱情就燃燒了!

Follow up:

每次一考完大考之或是有個有什麼評量後就會跳出許多專家來抱怨現在的學生因為網路發達,所以作文能力降低云云,委實讓人擔心云云,最後的結論往往就是要加考作文或是要拯救學生之類的。然後,同時又會有另一群官員跳出來表示國家經濟困窘,所以各項稅收都要調漲,而且物價也會跟著變高。今天,我在這裡提出一個新的建議,同時可以解決這兩個問題。

「我國應該在大考中進行世界第一之MSN作文考試」。原因很簡單,對於已經習慣使用MSN的新生代來說,在文章中怎麼表現開玩笑的氣氛呢?寫個「呵呵」實在太老土啦,直接插入一個吐舌頭的表情不是更方便?若是要表現身體違和,寫個「我身體不舒服」實在太累贅了,插入個綠色的臉孔不就很好了?

所以,因此,眾多新世代考生作文表現不佳的原因應該不是寫作能力的退化,而是沒有了MSN的表情符號,文字總有力有未逮之處!這才是真正人類寫作文化進步的方向!

因此,為了服務考生和擁有絕對的鑑別力,我們其實應該要把所有聯考的作文都改用MSN系統來進行,用表情符號來寫一篇作文!

不只如此,考卷或是螢幕的上下端,都可以賣給微軟來作為打廣告之空間。而且,藉著強迫大家使用MSN系統,也可以讓微軟產品的市佔率大幅提昇;如此獨創性、開拓性的作法勢必可以與微軟談到一個好價錢,鉅額的廣告收入必定將會替國家帶來充沛的財源,要多交稅的可能性就大幅降低啦!

而且我國有許多厲害的MSN高手,可以把所有的文字都給他一個一個取代成特別訂製的符號,讓你看的心膽俱裂,眼前一片金光閃閃,如果每個人都能夠像底下這位草莓俱樂部選手這樣,大家在奧運MSN大賽中一定都可以得金牌的啦!如此可愛的文章,更一定可以讓我們所有的敵人都消弭一切的戰鬥意志!你們說是不是!

而且,這種在全世界來說都是破天荒的作法,更勢必可以讓我們獲得世界其他國家的關注,從而更可以與微軟簽署更多的廣告合約,譬如說我國政要出國時頭上都要戴著「Taiwan,Microsoft」這樣的帽子!


(你看,馬囧的肉體型表情符號是不是更讚!)

或者是在華航機尾畫上視窗的標記,這樣肯定可以擠出更多的國庫收入來!但如果因此成為恐怖份子的攻擊目標,或是爆炸時損及微軟商譽,這我們就管不著了!總之就是要熱血!

而且,這樣的作法還可以獲得更多的好處。要說到強國,許多人心目中世界上最強的國家不見得是美國,反而是那觸角深入各地的微軟帝國。所以,要說外交突破,還有什麼比得上討好微軟帝國上主更好、更讚的作法呢?

所以,在這樣一連串的討好行動之後,我國駐外代表必定可以獲得比爾‧蓋天大人的接見;甚至更可以在西雅圖微軟總部建立全世界第一個駐微軟大使館!同樣的外交經費,我們再也不用拿來餵那些三天兩頭政變的小朋友,拿來協助微軟研發下一代系統,把開機音樂改成我們國歌,內建中華民國國旗桌布,豈不更讚!


(未來台灣學生寫作示意圖)

而且,未來萬一台海有事,微軟老大哥還會協助我們讓入侵者的電腦都當機,讓他們線上遊戲不能玩,青少年起而革命!如此台灣安全就可以獲得保護!一舉多得,真是再也沒有比這個更好的啦!

這是我朋友推薦的Adriana Lima,據說很正!

喔對了,由於本人極為關心時事,更是李家同教授熱烈支持者的名號,也傳到了電視節目的製作單位那邊!

因此,我明天下午將去錄製「大學生了沒?」這個節目,並且將會提供測驗大學生競爭力的幾個題目,而且我將會繼承李家同教授的意志!從他這個做人做事的楷模身上設計出問題,徹底考驗這些虛弱的大學生!

問題如下:在底下討論回答的人,將抽出9/28宅聚VIP資格十個,換句話說你不用跟人家無聊的搶登記,直接給你一個保障名額,直接錄取啦!

李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!(補充說明:正確不正確我不知道,但這個工作需求寫的很清楚:
http://jobview.monster.com/GetJob.aspx?JobID=74075678&JobTitle=PROPRIETARY+SCHOOL+PRESIDENT%2FSCHOOL+DIRECTOR&fn=3&jto=1&sort=dt&rad=50&rad_units=miles&sid=92&brd=1&cy=US&vw=b&AVSDM=2008-07-21+14%3A48%3A00&pg=1&seq=8
每年八萬到二十萬美金薪水,還有25%-50%的績效獎金。賓州州立大學1993年度給校長的薪水是三十四萬六千美金。吹玻璃的工人薪水這麼高,一年可以賺個上千萬,美國真是個好地方呀!)

各位請回答吧!

Lucifer

算了我反悔了,這種回答問題要有競爭性嘛!不然對認真回答的人不公平!

決定由我助理評審出前十名的人來獲得一文不值的VIP資格!

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迴響 from: 賈不妙 [訪問者]
搶了再看!
2008-08-28 @ 00:46
迴響 from: Shuyi [訪問者]
First one????
2008-08-28 @ 00:46
迴響 from: 小羊 [訪問者]
國中老師深有所感.....
教育真是良心事業的
2008-08-28 @ 00:47
迴響 from: 白木宅男 [訪問者]
終於有十名之內,很久沒上
2008-08-28 @ 00:48
迴響 from: 小羊 [訪問者]
那個賈不妙,你沒看文章不算啦,頭香是我的才對啦
我至少有看大部份的文哦!
2008-08-28 @ 00:48
迴響 from: martian---注定買不到白色的宅T了啦! [訪問者]
出現了!!!
2008-08-28 @ 00:48
迴響 from: Shuyi [訪問者]
Ok, second one, but sent at the same minute as 賈不妙. Good enough.
2008-08-28 @ 00:49
迴響 from: 白木宅男 [訪問者]
耶穌何時有後代???
耶穌這個名字在當時的時代是一個十分普通的名字,請朱恐龍大大可以的話請提供你要問的全名
我沒錢再乘飛機了..........
2008-08-28 @ 00:55
迴響 from: 笨是一定要的 [訪問者]
ans 1 : 不
ans 2 : 不回答
ans 3 : 不想回答
ans 4 : 他說的我不想回答
ans 5 : 他說的這些我不想回答



明天下午錄的 是那時候撥出 在請通知一下ㄟ
2008-08-28 @ 00:55
迴響 from: 白木宅男 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 小羊 [訪問者]
那個賈不妙,你沒看文章不算啦,頭香是我的才對啦
我至少有看大部份的文哦!
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我要伸出我的正義,誰留言先誰頭香麻
2008-08-28 @ 00:56
迴響 from: 賈不妙 [訪問者]
A...下面的問題全部1次回答不正確算不算夫衍?(幹 想了1分鐘想不出來)

敷!! 想起來了

個人覺得你跟微軟談生意那段雖然有些東西很誇張
不過不失為一個好點子耶...
尤其中文使用人口現在那麼多,
如果像朱大的作法搶到頭香,
我們在中文世界就變領導者了,
就像流行服飾的先驅一樣!

另外一提,
朱大這點子要不要再寄到馬冏的信箱咧!
可以發起一人一信運動!(聽說王葛格當年的事情,立委發起一人一信....結局被罵很慘!!)

符號考試實在是一個很創意的方式!
最佳年輕人表達能力風向球!
2008-08-28 @ 00:57
迴響 from: 私心 [訪問者]
李家同嗎?以管窺天的小青蛙沒什麼好評論的
2008-08-28 @ 00:57
迴響 from: 白木宅男 [訪問者]
補充:朱恐龍大大何時寫關於linux(企鵝)的討論文,
再說說apple(麥金塔)的也不錯

反微軟
2008-08-28 @ 00:59
迴響 from: 楷 [訪問者]
再沒有internet的時代,人們的思考大多都是直線式思考,一步一步推演而來。
A->B->C->答案
而現在的網路發達,從一個網頁中點選按鍵便可以立即連到另一個網頁。所以現在人們的思想都越來越趨向跳躍式思考,也因此造成了常常會沒有邏輯,而前後不一的情況。
A->C->F->不同的答案
也因為現在數位影線的發達,在思考事物時也逐漸趨向於圖像思考,不在像以前的理論性思考及文字思考。

因此,在不同模式下思考的兩種時代的人,邏輯當然會不同。
孰是孰非!?
2008-08-28 @ 01:01
迴響 from: 賈不妙 [訪問者]
另外...我最近在寫文章的時候
標點符號搞的我好苦啊...
有時好想在元素師被弄瞎的時候,
來個小綠人眼睛流血的符號示意...
而不只是嗚嗚啊啊用聲音字表現....


難不成我註定要又寫小說又學插畫嗎??
2008-08-28 @ 01:01
迴響 from: 私心 [訪問者]
老實說對於語文能力變差這件事
我覺得原因只是單純上代人看不起下代人而已
網絡時代的來臨巨大的改變人和人交際的方式
老人家覺得他不懂的東西,不和他一樣的東西就是壞的、糟的、可怕的
我只能說這是很正常的~(默)
2008-08-28 @ 01:03
迴響 from: 羊皮狼 [訪問者]
喔喔,宅神要去錄大學生沒了,
那集我會記得收看的。
2008-08-28 @ 01:04
迴響 from: martian---注定買不到白色的宅T了啦! [訪問者]
認真作答中~


李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?
*我不知道他這個看法~是不是會影響國家前途~但是我知道~他這個人會影響國家前途,跟學生ㄉ競爭力!

李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?
*當然不正確~難道他不知道術業有專攻嗎?周X倫、方X山~難道這個都很厲害嗎?人家都是富翁了~有沒有看電視呀!

李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?
*當然不正確呀!看動作片的產量變少這點~我就覺ㄉ影響很大~

李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?
*這。。。。問倒我了!我不知道那是多少(數學太差)

李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!
*他說的~應該是"某一個工人"跟"某一個校長"吧!我不認為是"客觀"通俗的狀態~
2008-08-28 @ 01:04
迴響 from: 小羊 [訪問者]
為了搶頭香,話沒說完,現在補完吧
有些家長常以為某專家或某名師的話是聖經
覺得英文好,學歷好,薪水高就是好的未來
不過,在教學現場看了十年
那些所謂有好未來的好孩子不見得開心
連聯絡簿都要應家長要求為了作文能力寫八股的心得
反而是畫畫圖,跟說說心裡話的孩子比較開心
到頭來,那些家長認為有好未來的孩子去追求更美好的未來
甚至去李教授眼中美好的美國拼經濟去了
留在這兒的,常是他眼中沒出息的孩子
所以呀,成績不好,英文差,沒資格上大學的孩子呀
加油,你們才是國家的主人,國家需要你們呀.....
2008-08-28 @ 01:04
迴響 from: 國宅 [訪問者]
微軟萬歲(熱血
2008-08-28 @ 01:04
迴響 from: 野獸醫生 [訪問者] · http://blog.xuite.net/siroyb/blog
Answer: ㄟ......這個......我想......ㄟ......大家辛苦啦,大家辛苦啦。

看懂的人都超過30歲了吧?

迷South Park也迷[那一夜]的野獸醫生oyb
2008-08-28 @ 01:05
迴響 from: 高雄宅男 [訪問者]
1.也許會
2.是!!!(謎:是因為你數學不好吧
3.否
4.確定耶穌有後代後再討論吧= =
5.真的假的!?我明天開始去學吹玻璃好了
2008-08-28 @ 01:06
迴響 from: 白木宅男 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 小羊 [訪問者]
為了搶頭香,話沒說完,現在補完吧
有些家長常以為某專家或某名師的話是聖經
覺得英文好,學歷好,薪水高就是好的未來
不過,在教學現場看了十年
那些所謂有好未來的好孩子不見得開心
連聯絡簿都要應家長要求為了作文能力寫八股的心得
反而是畫畫圖,跟說說心裡話的孩子比較開心
到頭來,那些家長認為有好未來的孩子去追求更美好的未來
甚至去李教授眼中美好的美國拼經濟去了
留在這兒的,常是他眼中沒出息的孩子
所以呀,成績不好,英文差,沒資格上大學的孩子呀
加油,你們才是國家的主人,國家需要你們呀.....
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(舉手)即是國家未來是需要成績不好,英文差,沒資格上大學的孩子嗎??
你希望你未來的小孩是成績不好,英文差,沒資格上大學的孩子??
對不起,我只是突發奇想!
2008-08-28 @ 01:08
迴響 from: UV [訪問者]

怎麼看都覺得還是我家的貓比較可愛
XD

2008-08-28 @ 01:12
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
台灣教授的薪水真的滿低的
所以很多教授都在用研究生賺錢
或是在外面打些零工,反而正職變成零用錢了

只要教職在身,搞死幾批學生都沒關係
反正還有一批又一批前仆後繼的新生會來填
育成中心裡也有一間又一間白目的肥羊可以宰

既然教職這麼好,那就調薪吧(往什麼角度調咧...)
2008-08-28 @ 01:12
迴響 from: 小羊 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 白木宅男 [訪問者]
(舉手)即是國家未來是需要成績不好,英文差,沒資格上大學的孩子嗎??
你希望你未來的小孩是成績不好,英文差,沒資格上大學的孩子??
對不起,我只是突發奇想!

沒有一個爸媽會希望小孩是不好的
不過與其要我的兒子是成績好,英文好,而沒有道德沒良心的小孩
我寧願他成績不好,英文差,沒資格上大學
但有個安份的工作,享受他的平淡簡單的生活
這樣有沒有回答了你的問題......
我現在唯一可以確認的是,我兒子會是個小宅男
他們已經開始跟老爸一樣每天看漫畫,討論漫畫
把老媽丟在一邊了.........泣

2008-08-28 @ 01:13
迴響 from: 羅姐姐 [訪問者]
李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

==
那英文不好數學也不好,是更加不能存活了嗎?(我就是一例...)
就是因為不好才要進學校念嘛~~
英文不好乾脆不要唸大學?(因為大學讀的都是原文書嗎?但中文系的"原文書"就是中文ㄟ)
唉,相信大家都不否認英文是通行於國際的語言
但術業有專攻
英文不好還不至於無法在現代社會存活
沒有一技之長才無法存活吧

我覺得可以鼓勵小朋友們多學一種語言以增進與他國(或多國)溝通的能力
甚至藉由學習語言了解他國文化
雖然目前看來英語仍是強勢語言
但不至於到達英文不好就別念大學的地步
畢竟還是有別條出路的

(英文不好的小朋友們別氣餒,繼續加油喔)
2008-08-28 @ 01:16
迴響 from: 大話夢想家 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/JShan
全部的問題都指向一個答案,認真聽李家同講的你就輸了...



他的言論讓我想到一本黑暗漫畫'異教主'

淨說些自以為高明的話!
2008-08-28 @ 01:18
迴響 from: elaine [訪問者]
朱大早安

1."請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?"
就一個教授隨便講兩句也許會有蝴蝶效應啦,媒體起而攻之就可以讓這些所謂未來國家棟樑的小朋友們有出師未捷身先死的感受啊!...不過就影響國家前途來說,最近新聞上的那幾個"紅人"都比他厲害
(如果朱大問得是李教授講的是否正確...其實啊,我覺得在"心智年齡"較為幼齒的小朋友,總是會追求新鮮好玩的,用開放的心看待就好,跟國家前途扯在一起就太累人了)

2.我英文不好數學不好但也拿工學碩士畢業(勤能補拙)...現在雖然沒有長成頂天立地的女子漢但好歹養得活自己,工作上也不會有人批評我的基本學能,不過主管要我出國開會我就龜了

3.經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活?就算可以吃屎長大也得先有得拉耶,阿達啊?!

4.耶穌有後代?還多到像天文數字...這會讓教宗氣到翻白肚吧

5.嗯阿!專業第一,學歷其次...老實說我也不認同我現在的工作單位把學歷門檻都設碩士以上;重點不是能力,而是態度!
2008-08-28 @ 01:20
迴響 from: 羊皮狼 [訪問者]
Ans1:李家同不是教育部長也不是總統,李家同教授的看法不會影響國家前途。
Ans2:這個社會上有許多並不需要英文及數學的工作,所以這兩樣不好應該還是可以在社會上存活。唸唸大學是還可以啦,阿甘不就因為跑步快而讀大學嗎。
Ans3:如果耶穌有後代的話,把死了的人通通算進來應該也許或許有二的七十次方,沒實際算過不確定數字對不對。
Ans4:我家附近麵攤的老闆和郭台銘一樣都是董事長,但不代表董事長都是這麼有錢而且還可以跟女明星搞誹聞,那麼賓州州大的校長跟佛羅里達幼稚園的校長年薪應該不同。也許李家同教授的意思是指SWAROVSKI設計師薪水相當於小學校長?
2008-08-28 @ 01:22
迴響 from: UV [訪問者]

舉手發問:

我們要喝啤酒的時"後" 就有人一"只" (圖1)(圖2)(圖3)....


這圖 1、2、3 到底是什麼意思啊?

XDDDD




2008-08-28 @ 01:23
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
李家同的大部分問題在本部落格都有解答呀!請各位認真閱讀!

中間數學問題我們還親自算過呢!

Lucifer

MSN作文的意思要問MESO,我也不知道~~~
2008-08-28 @ 01:29
迴響 from: Simon [訪問者] · http://givemethepaper.blogspot.com/
所謂“專家“的話通常充滿知識霸權慣用的偽善面具。嘲笑網際媒體,充其量只是顯露了舊思想的無知。
2008-08-28 @ 01:32
迴響 from: 羊皮狼 [訪問者]
少回答一題。
李教授談工業技術高的國家不會發生民不聊生的現象。
的確,日本經濟蕭條不景氣的狀態下,的確尚未發生買不到米、沒飯可吃的民不聊生景象,

至於是不是影響到人民的生活,
我聽過某位評論家談日本經濟不景氣引起大量美少女投入色情產業,
所以,應該還是有影響到生活的。
2008-08-28 @ 01:34
迴響 from: 小梅子 [訪問者] · http://jacobmei.blogspot.com
>李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

Ans : 國家的前途是取決於兩千三百萬同胞的意志

>李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

Ans : 本命題不嚴謹,總共有「英文好(壞)、數學好(壞)、有方法(無方法)、現在(以前)社會、存活(逝去)、大學(高中、國中、國小)」等可能性,豬大腸命題不嚴謹,本題自爆

>李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

Ans : 對,因為日本 A 片產業依然挺立,還有台灣去的台灣娘!

>李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

Ans : 首先,我們要確認「後代」的定義,嚴肅的說,李教授說耶穌的後代,指的是信奉耶穌的人,都可以稱為上帝的子民,所以至少有 2 的 70 次方這個講法是可以被接受的

>李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!

Ans: 你確定吹的是玻璃 ... 不是那個玻璃 ...
2008-08-28 @ 01:34
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
迴響來自: UV [訪問者]

那三個表情分別代表覬覦(持刀者)、驚恐(臉綠者)及不屑(像不像那個A開頭的...)
2008-08-28 @ 01:36
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
驚恐那個應該是銼青賽啦...
不然不會這麼青
2008-08-28 @ 01:37
迴響 from: 小丑帥斃了-螞蟻越來越多 決定明天執行撲殺計畫 [訪問者]
李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?
#不會 因為朱大的部落格就超正點!而且除了可能在台灣鬧阿宅獨立國革命外並不會對國家未來有負面影響~

李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?
#不正確~現在很多英文破的大學生都是靠中譯本過活 只要數學夠罩其實英文應該還有其他辦法補救

李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?
#不正確 經濟蕭條不會影響國人的生活根本就在騙小孩 不然為什麼之前會有日本上班族跑去公園發呆卻騙家裡是去上班!
李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?
#如果是每個人都有編號的話或許是吧~
李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!
#應該是正確的吧~
2008-08-28 @ 01:41
迴響 from: pentwo [訪問者]
我只知道2^70 = 118059162072x10^10
約是地球現行人口60億概數的196億倍。

這甘有可能!!!!!

用大略估計的方式計算從西元前五萬年開始計算,估計到2002年為止,人類從古到今誕生的人口總數大約為:1064億5636萬7,669人。



用複製的感覺好沒誠意XD
2008-08-28 @ 01:44
迴響 from: UNDER [訪問者]
Q1.
李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

ANS:不知道,我只覺得他說這些話更沒邏輯,難道他說的這些問題用寫的就不會出現嗎,而且用電腦打字還更容易修改勒。
他好像搞不清楚,我們年輕人喜歡看BLOG的一個主因是方便,不需要出門也不用花錢就可以閱讀了!!
才不是因為文章 "不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改" 才喜歡看
BLOG的出現讓社會大眾都有一個平台可以表達自己,不需要經過媒體跟報章雜誌,這樣的東西不才是讓這社會更加公平嗎?
若是整個社會高層都認為資訊流通快速是一種錯,需要加已限制的話,那台灣才危險好不好....
還記的盧安達飯店這部電影嗎,它們之所以內戰的原因就是資訊流通不良,讓有心人刻意傳答錯誤資訊才引起戰爭的,難道這樣比較好嗎?


Q2.
李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

ANS:我不認同,照他這麼說全世界只要有英文就好了阿,其他國家都去死一死是嗎?

Q3.
李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

ANS:日本經濟蕭條當然不影響到李杯杯的生活阿,請問他在那邊生活過嗎?

Q4.
李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

ANS:這麼大的數字我才懶的算勒.....
他這種說法應該是假設人類的繁殖跟細胞分裂一樣 並且以25年為一周期的話.....
至今的確循環超過了70次的周期...
不過我不知道他為什麼可以這麼肯定人類的繁殖行為可以想的這麼單純
這中間不知道經過多少戰亂、瘟疫、飢荒、政治迫害等等
而且並非所有人類都可以有交配的機會,有交配機會也不一定會受孕,受孕後也不一定能順利繁殖

考慮各種因素進去的話,甚至可能早就已經滅族也說不定
看來李教授是把耶蘇的後代全部放在無菌室培養了吧,科科~ (就算無菌室也可能人為因素被感染呢 科科~)

Q5.
李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!(補充說明:正確不正確我不知道,但這個工作需求寫的很清楚:
每年八萬到二十萬美金薪水,還有25%-50%的績效獎金。賓州州立大學1993年度給校長的薪水是三十四萬六千美金。吹玻璃的工人薪水這麼高,一年可以賺個上千萬,美國真是個好地方呀!)


ANS:帳面上就已經輸了,更何況校長還可以收到來自各方的神秘小禮物,怎麼樣都不可能和校長一樣.........
2008-08-28 @ 01:51
迴響 from: Iris [訪問者]
我大四
也只會逗點和句點;驚嘆號偶而用,因為覺得驚嘆號不夠正式..
而我大學指考國文8X,作文只拿13...
後來仗著國文成績高,低分高就擠進了頗不錯的大學唸中文系
但........
撐不到一年我就逃走了XD
2008-08-28 @ 01:52
迴響 from: 十二少 [訪問者]
看到李伯伯的發言,不禁讓我想到就是一整個鬼打牆啊~~

難道說是因為現在是阿飄月嗎?
2008-08-28 @ 01:56
迴響 from: 閒雲野宅 [訪問者]
對於教授的人類學 在下卻是佩服萬分
依在下矬見 教授是把外星人(生物)都計算進去了
(如賽亞人 K隆星人之類)
有如此宏觀者
實為令在下欽佩啊
2008-08-28 @ 02:24
迴響 from: 路人 [訪問者]
痾~用抽的好沒保障~如果是寫的爛就上
我大概還有點機會@@a

1.部落格本來就不是有任何制式規定來寫作的一種文化
它是人表達有關自我的一種方式~每個人都有不同風格
況且李家同教授所認同的邏輯究竟是哪種邏輯
也不得而知~我高興怎樣在自己的部落格創作
當然是我自己的事嘛~你對我文章有意見
先付錢我再寫一篇好的給你慢慢看

而且~寫作素質並不是從這種隨性的文化評斷
你怎麼知道文章寫的好的人寫部落格的文章就一定好?
說真的~如果寫篇作文搞的像寫書~誰受的了阿(認真就輸了?XD)

希望大家不要年紀大了就亂講話~不懂科技可以安靜點

2.歐洲很多人都以用自己國家的語言為榮
聽說如果到當地說英語還會被欺侮~他們都用自己的語言活的好好的耶
像我~在資訊類的科系待了這麼久
也沒看身旁全都是英文神人(一兩個~每班都有怪物@@)
基本上只要會基本的會話(哀~我連基本都不行。。。。。)

英文很強~能寫程式?能畫漫畫?(阿~漫畫可能是李家同教授認為沒用的東西)
飯會煮的比較好吃?數學不用算就滿分?
依李家同教授的國際觀~應該至少知道日本人英文普遍不好
可是他們科技大國的排名至少有前幾名

專業歸專業吧~英文好的人可以像朱大一樣翻譯
會計算的可以學學會計~邏輯強的專攻程式
唉~聽說我程式強者朋友~他英文國文一半都沒過呢(家同追殺名單?)

3.廢話~以前的經濟蕭條跟現在的繁榮有啥屁關係?
就像李教授可能以前頭腦清楚~現在~真的是老了
都已經影響完了~您老有對以前的日本人做過心理調查嘛?
有對他們的家庭狀況做調查嘛?怎麼可以肯定
以前貧困的日子對他們的生活沒有造成影響
看看現在世界各國~民不聊生經濟絕對是關鍵因素之一

現在去的確是很好~可是我以前沒去過
看現在經濟這麼差大家就該成這樣~那時蕭條中的日本
請大家自己想像吧

4.根據我上網隨便查的人口數據圖表
http://news.xinhuanet.com/ziliao/2003-07/07/xinsrc_4420702120802609324782.jpg
(簡體~不想看可以另外查)
以及用GOOGLE大神算出2^70的結果
(2^70 = 1.18059162 × 10的21次方)
大約是1,180,591,620,000,000,000,000
而那張1930~現在的~就算不扣死亡全部加一加(到2005)
頂多也才兩千多億(算梯型面積)
可以證明了一件事~我們都是神的子民阿
所以難怪現在神棍這麼多了~唉~李伯伯
想當耶穌的曾曾曾孫也不用這樣阿
耶穌看到你可能還要叫聲爺爺(從外表看)

希望李教授可以用他的力量~證明GOOGLE是錯的(所有數值以及數據都由大神幫忙)
啊~對了~是不是七十次方還沒回答
依照數據來看的話~還在生~希望政府多多鼓勵生育
生出越來越多的小耶穌(好溫馨的感覺)
(奇怪~我都不知道李家同教授有學過人類學?)

口乎~打完了~~嗎?OMG 天啊還有第五題
李伯您的問題還真多~半夜回文很累耶

5.教授您想吹可以自己去吹(好西斯~不過畫面嘛。。。)
而且看來教授數學應該是不好(否則怎麼會有第二題)
否則怎麼不知道八萬跟二十萬跟三十多萬的差別(而且是美金)
AND他確定是每個"吹玻璃的"都有那麼多嘛?
都有大家還不搶著做~那麼這樣的話~最後平均的結果
當然是最後沒有那麼多啦~阿~我忘了教授沒學經濟學嘛
應該是不知道這種經濟原理~對吧?

話說大學僧了沒大家不用搶著看啦~現在是科技的時代
網路資源很多的XDDDD
我只擔心有得錄~沒得播阿(沒這麼黑暗吧)
唉~誰知道呢~是吧?
2008-08-28 @ 02:25
迴響 from: 藍色水餃王 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/GyozaKing
To 野獸醫生: 我看懂了,而且我是七年級!

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因為回不去所以宅聚VIP的爭取我就放棄了,我只是對這段有意見:

"李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?"

我覺得每一代都有善寫善說的人,能說能寫的人,和腦殘。你看李教授就知道我說得沒錯。網路和部落格有腦殘文章當然也有筆翰如流的文章,這只代表因為網路普及所以大家都有機會發聲,不需要經過商業考量 (幫你出版我賺不賺得到錢) 或通過特別關係 (因為是李教授所以賠錢也只好出版) 才能出頭,就這樣。
2008-08-28 @ 02:26
迴響 from: 路人 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 大話夢想家 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/JShan
全部的問題都指向一個答案,認真聽李家同講的你就輸了...



他的言論讓我想到一本黑暗漫畫'異教主'

淨說些自以為高明的話!
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其實是MONSTER~他在催眠人心XDDDD
(二十世紀少年也不錯阿~原來李老想毀滅世界?)
不過我想他老可能不懂我們說啥@@
2008-08-28 @ 02:29
迴響 from: MAXLAT [訪問者]
Q1李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過...
ANS 科技的進步代表文化的進步 在以前 沒有電視的時代 是沒有新聞這種東西的 但是現在 有新聞台來播報新聞 新聞也不一定準確 更何況是部落格這種東西 但是 連新聞都不主觀(不正確)了 那嚜是否要撤掉新聞來改善國風

Q2李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,...
ANS 先在而言大學已經是基本學歷了 你連大學都布上了 納英文再好也沒有用 更何況 就是英文不好才要學阿 沒有人是天升就會說英文的好嗎 耳且現在有許多翻譯軟體 也有英文字典 教育部正式在有限資源內獲得最大學識嗎?? 那英文字典出爽的喔

Q3李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:...
ANS 不處於在民不聊生的情況下你是部會之道民不聊生的 在不深入了解一個國家的前提之下 我們並不會真正的了結他的民生狀況 因位我們只能從媒體上來獲知 並無法由真正的弱勢團體來了解 正如 晉惠文帝‘何不食肉糜?’

Q4李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:.....
ANS 假設李家同教授的說法成立之下 那麼 有很多因素需要達成
一 耶穌既耶穌的後代只能升2個子嗣
二 耶穌的後代必須在生完2個子嗣之前不能死亡
三 耶穌的後代必須超過70代
四 既使世界上只剩下一對男女 耶穌的後代亦不能成婚
五 耶穌的後代既使沒有結婚也要去強X X姦 別人
基於以上論點 或然率是零點零1的N+1次方

李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:....
ANS 警察有很多種 薪水也不一樣  校長也有很多種  薪水也不一樣  所以  我們也可以說  我們也可以說  會計的薪水比法官高  總裁的薪水比總統高  在韓國 總統的薪水很低  那是不是不要學英文  來學韓文了

 
2008-08-28 @ 02:43
迴響 from: MAXLAT [訪問者]
在很久以前
漢文是什麼屌
但是因為漢文普及
所以漢文成了國語
在以前
國語是什麼屌
我們只有台語
但因為國語的政策推動
所以很多人都布會說台語了
在不久之前
標點符後是什麼屌
因為方便解讀
所以大家開始用標點符號
那為什麼網路上使用的不行
說普及  不普及嗎??
說方便  不方便嗎??
就因為你它媽的看不懂
所以就否定全部
這是什麼阿??
不懂就要學阿
學海無崖不是那些老師们常常掛在嘴邊的媽??
結果勒??
2008-08-28 @ 02:50
迴響 from: arctic [訪問者]
會用逗號算不錯的了,有些人根本不用,還有人斷單句用兩個逗號 囧

圖像化寫作真的蠻可怕的,畫個蘋果卻被人認成橘子怎麼辦?要是這變成不可阻擋的潮流,家長應該在學齡前讓孩子上美術班,漫畫班,讓孩子在圖像化寫作上有個好的開始,如果有天份的話,還能開啟美術專長,提前多了一份才藝。

請打這隻電話,本機構將有專人為各位家長服務,前五十名還有八折優待......(毆飛)
2008-08-28 @ 03:08
請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

A1:如果整個社會真的都變成不合邏輯且矛盾 也許(應該)會影響國家的前途
不過從看網路及部落格的文章進而延伸成影響國家的前途
是不是有點太跨張跳太開了(難不成這是最新修辭語-誇跳法!?)
令我疑惑的是 會因為年輕人全變成喜歡閱讀名作 而使國家產業競爭成長成世界強國之一嗎?
那些為我國爭光的好手 跟那些促進外國人在台觀光的明星(剛好看到F4在日本宣傳台灣觀光的廣告)
難不成從未看過網路及部落格的文章且是一群愛好閱讀古文跟名作的人?
那他們怎麼跟別人競爭(不過也許有些真的是)
(我好像有點扯遠了 還是來趕緊回答下一題好了......)

李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?
A2:我有一群朋友不會說英文 不管是在生活 出國都過得很快樂
而且日本人英文不太好(不清楚他們數學好不好) 還是在現代社會存活
反而逼得想了解日本的外國人去學日文 感覺好像還有好處
不過會說英文在國外生活真得比較方便 (而且多學一種語言還有效防治老人痴呆)
也許李教授使用的是"誇飾法" 想警告一下後輩 我們真是誤會他的"用心良苦"了......

請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

A3:(現在日本算經濟蕭條嗎? 感覺好像不算太差 消費能力還是很強阿)我覺得對我個人沒有太大影響(我在這裡住不夠久 也許沒資格說) 不過日本友人在抱怨薪水一直沒有漲
李教授說:"你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。"
(我是真的感受不到 畢竟受影響的是他們本國人民 去旅遊的我們怎麼可能感受的到>
2008-08-28 @ 03:18
迴響 from: 18公分 [訪問者]
耶穌有後代嗎
李家同教授破解達文西密碼
原來耶穌有後代
而且還是 2^70
誰來告訴我這個數怎麼數
要存幾年的精子才有這個數啊


2008-08-28 @ 03:36
迴響 from: 不懂url的人 [訪問者]
為我的膚淺跟大家道歉
耶穌當時講得應該是希伯來文
我那時真的以為url這一欄是要我copy現在看到的網址
所以我的url才會跟這個網誌一樣

本來已經關掉電腦準備睡覺
卻突然熊熊想起
只好從被窩爬起 再開電腦
2008-08-28 @ 03:49
迴響 from: 楓雪 [訪問者]
早,朱大

李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

ans:完全不會。他以他所經歷過的,已經改變時空環境所對他的影響,來對還在變化當中的事物做出評論是沒有任何意義的。

李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

ans:常言道:術業有專攻。非英文體系之外文組的我,英文不好,數學只能說是普通;我敢說我已經找到我的立足點了,這不是一位狗屁專家能否定的。

李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

ans: 日本在泡沫經濟之後,許多的企業倒閉(有許多人也跟著自殺了)。日本人民沒有錢,消費行為大幅減少(影響部分的稅收以及經濟成長停滯)。一般人還不出貸款,房屋遭到抵押時,銀行也因為房地產的暴跌而無法收回貸款也進而倒閉。隨著呆帳的增加,日本政府也不斷投入資金,目的是為了穩住已經脆弱不堪的金融業。綜合以上簡單的幾點,一個經濟蕭條讓多少日本家庭破滅?對於這點專家可以用"你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活"這句話來形容,那我想專家也不是專家了。

李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

ans:如果把那些已經死了,還有一些原本沒有出生(但是表上還是已有出生做計算)的都加起來的話,那的確是天文數字XDDDDDD。

李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!

ans:本身對於美國的一切都沒有研究,關於這點我無法做出評論。


3點多的我在幹什麼阿,怎麼不去睡呢。。。。
2008-08-28 @ 03:55
迴響 from: 不懂url的人 [訪問者]
在此再為我的胡言亂語道歉一下
原來我沒poA4 A5的答案
李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?
A4:對耶穌不太感興趣 (雖然讀的大學好像跟他有點小相關) 恕我無法回答這個深奧的問題
(重點是, 就算耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方 , 那到底跟我們的生活有什麼關係阿
那不成我們會因為突然的變成耶穌的後代 , 開始會講希伯來文?
還是全變成救世主?或者證明了孟子的性善說, 每個人一出生就跟耶穌一樣, 有為全人類犧牲的精神?)

李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!
A5:恕我無法理解李家同教授這句話的意思, 這裡是台灣, 他是希望台灣的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣嗎?
而且術有專精, 每個領域的傑出者, 我們本來就應該給予相當的報酬
條件已經說明 每年八萬到二十萬美金薪水,還有25%-50%的績效獎金。
所以不可能每個人都可以拿到這麼高的薪水 , 應該是要看個人的能力
而不是把每兩件看似相關的事情拿來比較, 就算是台灣 , 有特術技藝的人還是有獲得很高的名聲跟金錢
(金庸算嗎?)

2008-08-28 @ 03:57
迴響 from: Adriana真的很正 [訪問者]
上次Adriana Lima來附近的Victoria's Secret辦簽名會
我從旁邊經過親眼目睹許多中南美洲阿宅齊聚一堂(阿宅不分國籍都很好認)
雖然Adriana當天穿的是T恤牛仔褲
身材還是好得讓眾阿宅排隊等著對Adriana科科笑!

2008-08-28 @ 04:05
迴響 from: vxa [訪問者] · http://vxarx.blogspot.com/
不是我說....我非常討厭Msn上面用表情圖示之類的...用文字的就算了~用圖的實在是很多枚辦法馬上得知對方再說啥~越看越火大.....整篇聊天只有圖示誰看得懂啊!!!(掀桌)
讓我們平心靜氣~
朱大的提出的問題是吧?

1.李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,...中略...前途?

Ans:前途無ㄌㄧㄤˋ!

2.李家同教授曾經以他對教育...中略...正確?

Ans:錯!要兩個都好!數學好才知道怎麼洗錢!英文好才知道哪裡好洗錢!

3.李家同教授曾經以他的國際...中略...正確?

Ans:誰管他正不正確,我又不是日本人,只要動漫跟動作片產量穩定就行了。

4.李家同教授曾經以他對人類...中略...二的七十次方?

Ans:李教授,可以先回答我耶穌的老婆是誰嗎?或是祂升天堂後學會了上帝的技能?
那可以再告訴我,那位幸運的女士是誰?

5.李家同教授以他對技職教育...中略...否正確!

Ans:我也不知道,因為我英文差到谷底!不過台灣夜市擺攤的收入也可能超越校長啊!
2008-08-28 @ 04:47
迴響 from: 啊哩噗 [訪問者]
>Ans: 你確定吹的是玻璃 ... 不是那個玻璃 ...

看到這句我科科了
2008-08-28 @ 06:11
迴響 from: 甜蜜倒數282-阿堯 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/yaolovel
姓李的意見都特別多..!?

這個李家同意見這麼多 到沒看見他的特別成就=.=

李遠哲好歹拿了諾貝爾獎

李家同呢...

竟然大放厥詞

課以嗎!課以嗎!
2008-08-28 @ 06:26
迴響 from: aiueo [訪問者]
同時又會有另一群官員跳出來表示國家經濟困窘,所以各項稅收都要調漲,
而且物價也會跟著變高。
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把所有狗官都裁掉.
1.省一大筆飼料費.
2.再也沒有狗吠:國家經濟窘困
2008-08-28 @ 06:42
迴響 from: 浦城小三 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/styx7315
ans1:不會,因為會關心學生前途的只有學生自己跟他的家人
ans2:這可以回應到先前的文章,語言只是工具,錯把工具當目的,本末倒置
不然我不會日文怎麼看村上春樹的小說
ans3:經濟蕭條絕對會影響人民,但生命會自己找出路,不代表政府可以推卸責任
ans4:我對這問題沒興趣,簡言之就是跟干我屁事
ans5:李家同説的是指美國對技職工作的認同與校長工作的認同是相同的吧
,不像台灣是當三師(老師,會計師,律師)的社會認同與薪水都比一般工作來的高,但是在大學生滿街跑與當老師的體罰,當律師的貪污的現在來看,說不定當個汽車修理工還來的有尊嚴跟成就~

2008-08-28 @ 07:15
迴響 from: 綾小路我月 [訪問者]
在高職的老師那邊學到一句話 所謂的專家嘛 不過就是訓練有素的狗咩 不過最近好像出現很多訓練不是很有素又很會吠的狗(笑) 再者標點符號的問題 網路上大家都用空白鍵了 會用標點符號的不多吧 就算用了你確定那是"標點符號" 不是"表情符號"嗎?﹏?y
2008-08-28 @ 07:52
迴響 from: 腥死狼(各位有空也多來我的部落格看看唄,我太寂寞會死掉) [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/n366119
先不論這奇怪的報導在統計學上的不確實(或
文法上的錯誤好了),標點符號真的很重要,
尤其是破折號和分號,這兩個的用法真是藝術
到不行。要學?多翻哈利波特就行了,光第一
集就夠了啦。啥?你討厭課外讀物,覺得它們
把看課本的時間分出去了──有這想法就你不
對啊!
2008-08-28 @ 08:10
迴響 from: Venaisha.. 並列 正咩...??? ←安捏嗎? 之 我不是故意留兩次!= =+ [訪問者]

嗯...
我...

先去移車好了...
2008-08-28 @ 08:43
迴響 from: 白木宅男 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 小羊 [訪問者]
沒有一個爸媽會希望小孩是不好的
不過與其要我的兒子是成績好,英文好,而沒有道德沒良心的小孩
我寧願他成績不好,英文差,沒資格上大學
但有個安份的工作,享受他的平淡簡單的生活
這樣有沒有回答了你的問題......
我現在唯一可以確認的是,我兒子會是個小宅男
他們已經開始跟老爸一樣每天看漫畫,討論漫畫
把老媽丟在一邊了.........泣
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請問羊媽媽有沒有買"最後的演講"???
不妨參詳參詳, 好好研究一番吧!
2008-08-28 @ 08:50
迴響 from: SL [訪問者]
  關於那篇只會寫逗號的文章,我有很深的感觸。但依我個人的經驗,絕對不是網路的問題。雖然以個人經驗來談是以偏蓋全,但是以我的例子來說,最大的問題並不是網路。我是75年次的,在我那個年代網路盛起的時間點應該是在我國高中。那時候blog根本不盛行,我頂多是常逛遊戲基地討論板或在那裡發言。

  但這些真的是造成標點符號使用不精確的原因嗎?我看不是。

  主要是你寫文章時,老師有沒有提醒而已。
 
  雖然現在使用msn方便許多,環境或多或少會影響到一個人的寫作,但是,若真的要寫作文,我不相信大多數的人會把在msn聊天的方式給搬到寫作文上。我反而認為,網路是增進一個人願意寫作的動力,至少我就是這個樣子,所以我才有自己寫小說。

  而我自己寫小說是在大二開始,那個時候我也是逗號到底,頂多結尾一個大段來個句點,換行後再寫一大段,裡面那一大段也都是逗點。真正注意到標點符號的重要性是在大四時修了一堂應用文的關係。那個時候我才知道原來有時候也可以來個句點的。

  以前高中的時候我因為自己作文能力不好(因為國高中都沒考文文,所以練習也不多),私底下決定寫作文給國文老師批改,所以那段時間我算寫了些作文,但我還是完全不知道標點符號的應用,老師也都沒有提醒(話雖如此,我很感謝那位老師)。

  所以我是認為,主要在於老師有沒有提醒而已。因為我覺得,既然認為閱讀和寫作是兩回事,那我也認為寫作和聊天也是兩回事。網路是因為電腦不方便輸入一些標點符號(除非你和我一樣,愛用行半輸入法輸入標點符號),所以儘量不打,但如果我們是認真寫作時,我想只要是有一點認知的,都很清楚網路聊天的那一套是不會硬套過來的,就像朱大這篇諷刺的舊文一樣……只要你有一般的認知,除非你是突然想亂搞,不然是不會在寫作文時把msn號寫上去的(不只寫作文,在網路上寫新聞稿也很注重呀……)。

  我是認為就像文章提到的,最大的問題是許多老師也不會,月考和基測也沒考的緣故。又不是所有人都像我會想主動創作,所以才會特別注意這一點,而且我還是花了好幾年的時間才注意到Orz……因此每次都牽拖到網路,真的是很不應該。這就像大家都喜歡聊天打屁,你卻說寫作不好的原因在這裡,這是很讓人無言的……

  至於回答問題嘛,既然都寫了就回答吧,只是抽籤就不必把我算進去了,因為我不會去。就像朱大講的,真正的阿宅都是躲在家裡嘴砲的(茶)(不過我還真不喜歡自稱阿宅呀……)

  Q1:  
  李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

  A1:  
  這個問題就我上面的說法,當然是不成問題。就像大家都喜歡打屁聊天,你卻把很多錯歸咎於打屁聊天,這根本就是牽拖。網路上有很多不合邏輯的文章是沒錯,但有沒有想過這些文章還是人寫的呀,如果沒有網路,這些思維難道就不會存在嗎?李教授的這種思維反而讓我覺得,難道只有所謂的菁英才能寫文章?這反而會限制一個人的發展的……如果像早期國家那樣,那才會真正影響一個國家的前途。網路文章知識的爆炸,反而要告訴一個人要會的是獨立思考,自己去判斷哪些知識是自己要的。你認為不重要的,不見得對別人不重要呀……

  Q2:
  李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

  A2:
  反正只要是常看朱大的文章且認同的人大概都知道這樣的說法是有問題。雖然我個人是會承認英文很重要,但我真正覺得,更重要的,在於實質上的東西。你不能得筌而忘魚呀……只會用工具,但卻忘了使用工具後所獲得的產物。而且我相信,如果你對於求知很有興趣,我相信也不會排斥去學英文的,如果你對於真正的實際有熱情,英文也一定會去學的。就像我記得之前有位考英文全國第一的高中學生,他就是常看英文籃球雜誌,藉由自己的興趣去讓自己的英文強起來的。真正重要的不是他的英文變強了,而是他藉由籃球雜誌,而獲得了他想要的知識與興趣(不以他為例子,我相信也可以拿朱大玩遊戲學英文當例子)。很多人只看表面的東西,以為很多學習方式只有一套,但卻因為過於講究外在的形式而忘了最根本的知識。我是覺得每個人獲取知識的方法並不相同,所以自己是如何學的,也不見得可以硬套在別人身上。

  Q3:
  李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

  A3:
  其實我是認為李教授會講這句話是可以體諒的。不是說事實就是如此,而是人多少會在某個時間點說出自己理想的那一段話。以我為例子,其實我很嚮往日本的動漫畫產業的,總是羨慕他們總有那麼多的商業包裝……但我很清楚,即使如此,要達到自己的夢想,除了堅持外,天時、地利、人和也是很重要的。不過,我常常在自己blog舒發情緒時,總是會不想談到這一點,都會覺得日本環境比我們好很多,讓人可能會誤認為自己天真地以為只要是待在日本就一定可以實現夢想的樣子……

  所以有時候人會因為自己的一個嚮往而說出與事實不符合的說法。人是會想辦法證明自己是對的生物,所以有時候腦袋裡有一種想法時,就可能會盡可能地找出理由說服自己是對的。

  不過李教授這種話難說啦,他可能因為日本人多元的環境而有這種想法。或許他想講的是人家在經濟最蕭條時,整體給人的感覺沒有讓人很沮喪的感覺。如果看多日本漫畫的,就知道他們在怎麼沮喪都會想盡辦法讓自己走向光明的一面。我是覺得日本人的東西常讓我有這種感覺。就像AV都可以用得很正面一樣……

  Q4:
  李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

  A4:
  那是因為李教授他是用binary tree呀Orz……我是讀資工的,每次看到那種人類的族譜呀,我就會想到我們常用的Tree……而因為最常考的是Binary Tree,且因為他是每個父節點都有兩個子點,這是非常好算的……所以我想他大概是他想成每30年一個人有兩個孩子,而每個孩子都有兩個孩子,這樣算來,2000除以30,大約70,有70個階層,所以最底下有幾個子節點,就是2的70次方……因為念理工的某種直覺,我搞不好也會說出這種烏龍的話來= ="

  Q5:
  李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!

  A5:
  這個……我想他大概是想特別誇張強調技職的重要吧……我是認為很重要啦,畢竟術業有專攻。或者他想說的是和台灣的學校校長薪水一樣?但我不清楚台灣學校校長的薪水,查了一下(http://mag.udn.com/mag/campus/storypage.jsp?f_ART_ID=52479)……月薪14萬,年薪就168萬,朱大說吹玻璃是八萬到二十萬美金,雖然我不清楚現在兌換利率,沒記錯是32吧,管他的,我就乘以30好了,以最低八萬來說,年薪是240萬……嗯,差不多啦。所以李教授不是因為人老了記的東西太多,資訊分散,把這些資料重疊了。是有新聞資料顯示(http://bbs.1069.com/thread44917.html),老人家記憶力差不是真的差,而是因為看太多看太多了,很多東西容易分散。其實本人也有這種麻煩……雖然我還年輕= =",但因為網路上愛東看西看,也因為創作的緣故我會逼自己硬記一些東西,且看東西我常會看很多點,比如要我記下一個撞我的人的車牌號碼,我會連他的表情與車的樣子都看,所以總是記不起來。而我也常常自己的事會做一做忘了要幹嘛……就我友人的說法,是記憶體被其他垃圾資訊塞爆,所以記憶體不足(茶)
2008-08-28 @ 08:54
迴響 from: 迷思羊 [訪問者]
一言以蔽之
"屁"
2008-08-28 @ 09:00
迴響 from: 微醺 [訪問者]
請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

o_O: 每個世代都會有人憂心忡忡的擔心當時的學生素質不佳,現在也一樣,國家依舊存在,社會依舊和諧,大環境依舊一直循環。學習三個境界一、一份耕尋一份收穫;二、只問耕耘不問收穫;三、樂在其中。阿宅已經在第三種境界了。


李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

O_o:不正確,我英文不好,早期286電腦剛開始的盛行時候,就自打工賺錢來組裝,當時也不暸一邊翻英文手冊一邊問人;還看圖說故事,摸久之後一切都了解了。現在還是靠摸醫療器材維生的阿宅工程師,還是一樣英文不好,看得懂幾個關鍵字,照著原文手冊去試,也同樣可以在社會上混口飯吃。


請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

O_O:不正確,因為日本人也因為經濟蕭條導致很多人失業自殺,每個國家都會有,這個說法不盡公平,如果您自己不愁吃穿,沒有在當地生活過著沒收入物價高的環境中,僅僅只是作為觀光考察的話,您的所見所聞,只是表面,不代表全體。

李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

o_o:疑點一:李教授不是很討厭達文西密碼,只有達文西密碼才宣稱耶穌有後代,其他的正式的地方好像都不承認耶穌有後代這件事情。疑點二:有人算過現在的人口都沒這麼多了,人口天文數字說是沒經過求證的說法吧?


李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確

@_@:差多囉,如果真是如此美國現在會有次級房貸風暴產生?應該一片欣欣向榮的景象呀!


2008-08-28 @ 09:01
迴響 from: SL [訪問者]
A5更正:

  所以李教授可能是因為人老了記的東西太多。
2008-08-28 @ 09:05
迴響 from: 路人 [訪問者]
李家同先生..他是草莓牛奶郎嗎?
還有Cos柯男科科笑的那位是他的親戚嗎?
為什麼要繼承李先生意志?比爾阿斯不是比較威嗎?
為什麼他有這麼多的解答呢?明明沒人問他啊!
為什麼他說的話會造成軒然大波呢?
為什麼他說了這麼多話還是對年輕人無益呢?
為什麼他說的話總是會造成老頭們集體的感嘆呢?
為什麼沒有深入了解事實就大放厥詞乃至於做出肯定結論的這種論調有被討論的價值呢?
不應該科科笑就好了嗎XDDD
科科 科科科
2008-08-28 @ 09:09
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
我哪有說吹玻璃一年八萬到二十萬美金!

你吹給我看!

他是吹航空母艦嗎?

真有這麼多我也要吹!


Lucifer
2008-08-28 @ 09:11
迴響 from: kkk [訪問者]
1.自古以來受年輕人喜愛的文章都不一定合邏輯.
甲骨文/駢文/唐詩/宋詞/元曲/明清小說 難道每一首每一篇都合邏輯經過修飾了嗎?
很明顯並沒有.
2.我爸一個老兵,我媽國小畢業,也是做工養我到這麼大,
他倆也在這個社會活得好好的. 她們當然不認識英文,Jeter/丁eter分不清.
數學程度在菜市場管用,其他地方就不太行.
3.那日本過去因為經濟不景氣,失業/沮喪活不下去而自殺那些人是怎樣?
4.李教授好像是基督徒,聖經裡面可沒說耶穌跟哪個女人結婚或是有一腿(不敬).
既然根據無上權威的聖經,耶穌沒跟女人發生過性行為,怎麼會有後代?
說耶穌後代至少有二的七十次方,異教徒也還罷了,一個基督徒說這種話豈不是褻瀆耶穌?
5.或許有可能,但至少要像王俠軍或楊惠珊/張毅那種等級才可能吧.
美國鳥學校鳥到倒閉/賣給別人的也不少,這種學校校長大概也賺不了幾個錢.
總是拿特例來當作一般正常情形,難道看到李教授這麼威,又是博士又會寫小說散文評論時事,
就可以說台灣教授都是這樣允文允武,嘴砲天下無敵手?

那個第一張圖的毛好明顯啊.
臉頰還有腋下.果然外國人多毛.科科.
2008-08-28 @ 09:12
迴響 from: 小羊 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 白木宅男 [訪問者]

請問羊媽媽有沒有買"最後的演講"???
不妨參詳參詳, 好好研究一番吧!

這是一定要的啦,當然有買呀
就是因為這樣,所以就讓他們父子三人去享受他們的相處
讓他們三個常常開心的科科笑
只是他們常會太融入劇情,很熱血喊著「野原一家,加油!」
還一起叫我「老太婆美牙」,學胖虎唱歌,扮演海賊王的角色
(兒子分別是魯夫和索隆,愛看美女的賈不妙是香吉士)
就這麼一整個歡樂........
說真的,我小兒子九月才要上小一
因為老爸說故事、看漫畫認了不少字,父子感情很好
這比考數學一百分更重要了



2008-08-28 @ 09:13
迴響 from: SL [訪問者]
  吾,抱歉,我會錯意了,因為我沒特別去看連結資料Orz……老實說吹玻璃的到底賺多少,我不會因為社會感觀而做出結論(茶),畢竟我是真的不知道呀……也懶得查了(菸)
2008-08-28 @ 09:17
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephenalien
第一題:
你看看朱學恒的表現,網路及部落格的文章真的會影響學生終身的成就與國家的前途嗎?

第二題:
我都看日本的,所以我日文比英文好~
英文差真的會無法在現代社會中存活嗎?日本呢?法國呢?德國呢?挪威瑞典芬蘭呢?

第三題:
真的沒有嗎?李杯杯的實證數據在哪裡?世界的通病就是"報喜不報憂",難道李杯杯不知道?
日本的A片市場都萎縮了,難道李杯杯不知道嗎?

第四題:
2的64就已經上兆了(前天播的數字搜查現有講噢~),如果對照有人統計出來從過去到現在地球上所出現過的人類的總和,那他的一些子孫應該是為了躲避世界末日被外星人接到外太空去了。
更何況,抹大拉的瑪麗亞是不是耶穌的妻子到現在還沒定論,連超專業的歷史學家人類學家都不確定了,你這個有沒有修過人類學學分都沒人知道的傢伙怎麼可能知道,難道是耶穌跟你講的嗎?

第五題:
這裡是台灣,不是美國!
你拿某某商職的文憑去跟交通大學的文憑PK,鐵定被秒殺的。
更何況,雖然表面上校長給的薪水很低,別忘了可能還有特支費或是回扣可以拿啊~


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話說
28號那天的聚會要怎麼報名啊?
2008-08-28 @ 09:19
迴響 from: 松鼠 [訪問者] · http://tec730721.blogspot.com/
怎麼我覺得美女圖前面的文章有似曾相識的感覺
跟我前幾天在看的某本奇怪的書內容很像
書名好像是荒謬中出大創意
又有荒謬、又有中出、又有創意、三個願望一次滿足的怪書

針對問題作答

Q1:李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

沒錯 李教授說的對
網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。

君不見某個奇怪的部落格
喜歡貼大圖、AV女優崇拜及請人吃排泄物的文化
對我國年輕人宅化產生了嚴重的不良影響。
導致阿宅想要認真回答問題就會寫出奇怪的句型

若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。

沒錯!要是每個人的部落格都貼大圖的話怎麼辦?
這樣一定會導致上班看美女圖的時間增加影響工作效率
造成人民產出降低、失業率升高
整個國家競爭力下降、社會停滯不前的不良後果!
影響整個國家的前途!
2008-08-28 @ 09:21
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
我,pass

看到問答題就整個虛弱起來,我還有整整一百多頁的技術文件要看,沒錯,就是一百多頁的"英文"技術文件,掯。

這世上我只有兩樣不會;我這樣也不會,那樣也不會
2008-08-28 @ 09:33
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
荒繆,中出,大創意←所以說標點符號很重要
荒繆中,出大創意←改個地方整個語意就完全不一樣了

果然厲害啊。
2008-08-28 @ 09:35
迴響 from: 松鼠 [訪問者] · http://tec730721.blogspot.com/
Q2:李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

沒錯 李教授說的對
現代社會中的阿宅們沒有網路及msn就無法過活的情況下
不會英文就沒辦法用XD orz orz等符號
沒辦法玩wow cs aoe
甚至沒辦法用BT Foxy gogobox抓A片
不會英文 連A片的A都看不懂
你說這樣阿宅怎麼活?!要怎麼唸大學?!
2008-08-28 @ 09:37
迴響 from: 冷眼 [訪問者]
李家同教授希望朱大分享peggy的msn給各位鄉民
2008-08-28 @ 09:42
迴響 from: aiueo [訪問者]
1~4
某高學歷的兒子對爸爸說:
「我們不應該從入口放豬進去.而從出口做成香腸
我們應該有效率點.放香腸進去.生豬出來.」
父:幹~30年前.我早這樣做了.才會生出你這頭豬.

5.我母親小學沒畢業.目前財產有上千萬...
台灣20年代.30年代.40年代有一堆小學沒畢業.但是有錢的人
並且維持年薪百萬.因為他們努力

可見這大學校長跟豬兒子差不多...
ps:我覺得他看不起吹玻璃工人薪水跟他差不多.所以我也看不起它.
2008-08-28 @ 09:45
迴響 from: daniel [訪問者]
註:該UDN新聞下頭恥笑記者也沒多行的bill1712就是我~

認真回答:

李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,....這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

ANS:大學生了沒裡頭正妹迅猛龍真的很正,一日不去她及同等級正妹的BLOG,我就會吃不下飯,我吃不下飯就會生病,我生病老闆就會煩惱,我老闆煩惱公司就會倒,我老闆公司倒了就影響產業供應鏈,供應鏈不正常就影響了國家前途。

李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

ANS:當然正確囉,而且精蟲衰老、精神好,根本無法在現在環境生育,像教授這樣的乾脆不要陽具,我非常贊同李教授揮刀自宮的革命精神~

李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家...你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

ANS:正確,在日本A片裡尤其可證明,連李教授這把年紀的人,該年代都可以去拍片出精,經濟越蕭條,A片越活絡,我覺得李教授一定跟我一樣對日本有深入研究,我非常自豪我所有對日本工業技術發展都只以A片得知,比方按摩棒、自動進出器、雙頭電動龍、沐浴乳轉化精液SOP機制等等。

李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

ANS:他指的是精蟲。

李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確..

ANS:兩個薪水一樣阿!之前浪蕩美艷富家女希爾頓不是有四處幫忙打工的節目,也許有一集吹玻璃秀剛好被李教授看到,一邊看希爾頓吹、一邊熱血沸騰的記錄下自己的心得,聽說希爾頓女非常會吹而且比校長有錢耶。
2008-08-28 @ 09:46
迴響 from: 迷思羊 [訪問者]
To.無盡˙永恆
我比你厲害
我只有一樣不會
我樣樣都不會
2008-08-28 @ 09:49
迴響 from: MOCCA [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/andesmocca20
寫部落格又不是寫古文觀止~~網誌從寫給自己看到寫給大家看,也不過就這幾年的光景!
每個時代的文章還不都是當代的流行文章!文體!或是流行文化!
以宋詞來說就如同現在的流行歌曲的詞
只是因為年代久遠,又能代表當代的狀況,所以才拿來被後世流傳!

這位偉大校長有真的念過國文嗎?或是古文觀止嗎?
一個理想的先行者,不是拿著雞毛當令箭,也不是拿著自己的主觀意識嚇每個人!
要提出能引出大家動力的理想,而不是老是當個在別人後面搖頭的老學究!
2008-08-28 @ 09:49
迴響 from: bearcr 宅大叔 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/bearcr
雖然不見得贊同李家同教授的看法...
不過大概可以理解他看這些事情的角度....

跳躍性的思考模式也不是不好...只是根基不穩的時候就有機會在尷尬的地方跌一跤﹝這一跤可能還是很大一跤﹞

物價高漲時期,數學不好的確是個問題...﹝燦笑

先把這些事情放到一邊去!

說真的個人對msn 的圖像還真的是有那麼一些頭痛,跟比較年輕些的朋友聊msn 就是圖像滿螢幕;霎時間覺得自己如同發現岩壁泥炭畫的考古學家,要拿著放大鏡比對手上的小筆記本一個個解讀﹝講的好像有點誇張

文字的溝通如果求的是快速便利,正確無爭議才會有效率
如果談公事一堆頭像,應該會有蠻多問題的吧..﹝遠目
2008-08-28 @ 09:51
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 迷思羊 [訪問者]

我只有一樣不會
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不愧是秘書,果然比一般人厲害,只有一樣不會。
2008-08-28 @ 09:52
迴響 from: 松鼠 [訪問者] · http://tec730721.blogspot.com/
Q3:李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

沒錯 李教授是對的
(阿 幹 我快掰不下去了 我良知告訴我他在虎濫 可是我是反方)

你看 就算日本經濟蕭條
但是剛普拉還是照常出
A片還是照常出
keroro還是照常出
海賊王還是照常出(獵人?它260就已經腰斬完結了喔~)
所以經濟蕭條沒有影響到阿宅們精神富足的生活
不會發生民不聊生的狀況
2008-08-28 @ 09:53
迴響 from: Venaisha.. 並列 正咩...??? ←安捏嗎? 之 我不是故意留兩次!= =+ [訪問者]

我會用標點符號,我也玩表情符號。
只是不會像Peggy小姐示範的那樣,
或是台灣學生未來寫作示意圖那樣。

啊~我沒有要去聚會~
所以跳過...^^y

2008-08-28 @ 09:57
迴響 from: 迷思羊 [訪問者]
留言抽VIP的舉動
是為了提高出席者有留言紀錄的數據嗎?
2008-08-28 @ 10:01
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
迴響來自: bearcr 宅大叔 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/bearcr
說真的個人對msn 的圖像還真的是有那麼一些頭痛,跟比較年輕些的朋友聊msn 就是圖像滿螢幕;

--------------------------------
這個問題是可以解決的哦,在MSN選項裡,訊息那個標籤內,把顯示自訂的表情符號前的打勾取消就可以了。

這樣以後就不用像考古學家了。
2008-08-28 @ 10:01
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
迴響來自: Venaisha.. 並列 正咩...??? ←安捏嗎? 之 我不是故意留兩次!= =+ [訪問者]

啊~我沒有要去聚會~
所以跳過...^^y
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正咩可以帶著你家男人來放閃光啊,幹麻不來呢
2008-08-28 @ 10:03
迴響 from: 松鼠 [訪問者] · http://tec730721.blogspot.com/
Q4:李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

是!
因為阿宅常說"殺了一個我 還有千千萬萬個我"
只是個阿宅都可以有千千萬萬個我了
身為耶穌當然可以有二的七十次方個後代
所以
你也可能是耶穌的後代
我也可能是耶穌的後代
四海一家 創作共享 天下為公
2008-08-28 @ 10:04
迴響 from: bball [訪問者]
荒繆中,出大創意。喂喂,標點符號真的很重要ㄝ
2008-08-28 @ 10:07
迴響 from: 潛水夫 - 我想穿OOPS跟宅鬥士的T-Shirt [訪問者]
荒繆中出,大創意。

這樣好像也不錯。
2008-08-28 @ 10:09
迴響 from: ZETOEI [訪問者]
上班打混中…所以先PO一些、
針對Q1…

Q1:李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

我認為是:不會~
原因:人生阿、本來就有許多不合邏輯的事情阿,有些事情過了、你也沒辦法修飾、修改…
網路上及部落格的文章、反而可以是一個很好的經驗傳播管道。
如果少了這些管道、這些資訊可供查詢…反而才是糟糕
主要的問題在於"如何辦別這些資料的可用性"及資料的真實性、及適當的處理方式。

補充一下…
學工程的都有種壞習慣、歸納及分析…在一團團雜亂的東西中找出規則性,並給予一個理論讓大家去通稱,但真正的現實生活中,能歸納的只是少部份的事情!我想這是一種弊病阿~現實生活中…可沒這麼簡單耶~
2008-08-28 @ 10:13
迴響 from: 甜蜜倒數282-阿堯 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/yaolovel
大家這麼熱心踴躍的發表文章回應朱大
我只想成為那十位幸運兒
好像不大對勁..

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吹"玻璃"應該可以有那麼多錢..
我低級了..

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2008-08-28 @ 10:17
迴響 from: 松鼠 [訪問者] · http://tec730721.blogspot.com/
Q5:李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!
(終於最後一題了...)

教授是對的!!

乍看之下吹玻璃吹出一台航空母艦是不可能的事
但是我們李教授一定有他獨特 卓越的想法

讓我們用數學來解這題:
吹玻璃工人的薪水=校長的薪水
約分"的薪水"
吹玻璃工人=學校校長

結論就是吹玻璃工人學校的校長嘛 (哀唷 三八)

教授英明!!


早上的時間都被玩掉了拉 T_T
2008-08-28 @ 10:23
迴響 from: Juan [訪問者] · http://j.cards.twirc.org
不過, 話又說回來
現在小朋友的作文能力
真的只能用 慘不忍睹 來形容
當然, M$的鬼新注音輸入法加速惡化
很多人只打字, 不選字

唉..
2008-08-28 @ 10:23
迴響 from: Venaisha.. 並列 正咩...??? ←安捏嗎? 之 我不是故意留兩次!= =+ [訪問者]

100?

我今天很閒耶..怪了...= =???
2008-08-28 @ 10:32
迴響 from: weihsi [訪問者] · http://whclive.blogspot.com/
我超想知道李教授他的本來專業的是什麼?
感覺他對中學生教育的了解、日本經濟的了解、耶穌後代(?)的了解
都不過是電視那些隨便報料的名嘴差不多
要形容,就好像有教授階的友滑兄一樣嘛~
2008-08-28 @ 10:33
迴響 from: 貼地超人 [訪問者]
李叫獸說的話都是對的!
你們這些小蟲子怎麼可以懷疑?!
你們這些二的七十次方分之一的小咖別來煩了
2008-08-28 @ 10:34
迴響 from: bbc [訪問者]
1 文笔不好的人用何种媒介写作都一样会是狗屁不通。
2 陈景润没资格读大学?
3 美国大萧条时期 胡佛X的命名系列泛滥。
4 一夫一妻制不绝后是要求很好的运气,欧洲的贵族拥有良好的生活条件都经常绝后,耶稣的后代哪位是贵族?孔子的后裔都没有那么多,这还是在历史上可以多妻的中国。
5 吹玻璃的艺术家可能赚得比校长多
2008-08-28 @ 10:35
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
助理交代:有一位T-shirt的買主 (不確定是不是),
於 8/26中午12:00左右匯款了 4,900元,算起來是14件的價格,
匯款人姓名為:陳張珠卿,
但未收到來信提供其餘資料,所以也不知究竟是否為T-shirt買主,
還是要捐款匯錯了帳號(因為金額也不像)

Lucifer

請問是誰啦,請來信確認,因為如果是捐款我們要改到奇幻基金會帳戶並且開具捐款證明說~~~(可以抵稅唷!)
2008-08-28 @ 10:35
人家說的吹玻璃是黑話啦!!!! (  ̄ c ̄)y▂ξ

所以說

美帝這個國家真是階級剝削

玻璃都肯吹了

薪水居然只有這樣!?


P.S. 話說李阿教授的國學造詣實在是高
譬喻和引典用的這麼含蓄晦澀
果然是文言文讀了不少


2008-08-28 @ 10:38
迴響 from: 伊凡斯 [訪問者]
李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」

還好我兩種都不好,所以我還能茍活在這個社會還念了大學哩...

不然我可能要去找聖嚴法師多想個幾分鐘了
2008-08-28 @ 10:38
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
迴響來自: Juan [訪問者] · http://j.cards.twirc.org
真的只能用 慘不忍睹 來形容
---------------------------------
可是所謂的慘不忍賭是以什麼樣的標準為基礎呢?
我會比較偏向「雖然我看不懂他在寫啥,可是也許跟他同一世代的人或許都看的懂。」這樣的想法來看待目前小鬼們的作文。

對了,說小鬼並沒有貶低的意思唷。

不過,我同時也認為,要看文章要用在何處。如果只是一般情況,寫的非常口語化甚至火星文化那是沒關係的;可是若是在正式的文件,例如:履歷的自傳、給老闆的報告等等這種需要嚴肅面對的文件時,那就得有比較嚴格的標準了。
2008-08-28 @ 10:39
迴響 from: 盧卡斯...........真的感冒了 = = [訪問者]
看到這篇我就想到昨天看的新聞

http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/080824/2/14pzq.html

節錄如下
國外打工族如果希望享受高薪和優質生活,新加坡是首選,其次是並列第二的阿拉伯聯合大公國和美國,再來是比利時和香港。

新加坡法律嚴格 高薪優質生活

昂貴的房租會把薪水吃掉,倫敦的排名因此被擠到後面,倫敦一間兩房豪華公寓的月租要4907美元(約台幣15萬4000元),而且還不包括家具,高階主管也吃不消。

阿聯免繳所得稅 血拼購物天堂

印度高薪低物價 但常停電

香港半數老外 年薪破20萬美元

不過,不論是印度或阿聯的豪華生活,外國人都無法常久享受,想要久留的話最好到歐洲和美國,例如荷蘭的工作簽證就長達三年。

至於李伯伯的問題,基於加權比重排序,予以跳過

喔~ 對了,那個標點符號真的是有點難,對於小學生來說是這樣如此
我也一直是到了國高中開始大量閱讀後,才培養出朱大所提到的語感(文感?)
才漸漸知道怎麼使用除了,。!? 以外的各種符號
但即使如此,一般日常生活中的使用,除了常用那幾個,其它使用機會真的太少
實在滿容易的生疏的。

2008-08-28 @ 10:42
迴響 from: maverik [訪問者] · http://blog.pixnet.net/maverik
李教授真是博學多聞啊.......
2008-08-28 @ 10:54
迴響 from: Morris [訪問者] · http://changjiinglang.blogspot.com/
簡單講,教育應該是要訓練觀察、分析、思考的能力,這裡有 link:
http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:knffjKvzPCIJ:tx.liberal.ntu.edu.tw/CG/Methodology-MA/me-ma00/%E9%BB%83%E5%BD%A5%E7%A9%86/%E8%B3%87%E6%96%99%E8%92%90%E9%9B%86%E6%96%B9%E6%B3%95%E8%88%87%E5%88%86%E6%9E%90.doc+%E8%B3%87%E6%96%99%E8%92%90%E9%9B%86%E3%80%80%E5%88%86%E6%9E%90&hl=zh-TW&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=tw

朱阿宅的五個問題:
Q1,Q2 找到反例就好

我挑最軟的第四題來寫:
先假設他是對的
2^70 = 1,180,591,620,717,411,303,424
為了計算方便,從耶穌出生到今天算10,000年好了(好了,這個數字會比較大,我是用很寬很寬的標準來算)
那麼每年地球上就會有
11,805,916,207,174,113
地球人口目前約 65 億,同樣為了計算方便,用 100億來算
11,805,916,207,174,113/10,000,000,000
=11,805,917

11,805,917這個數字表示,如果李公家同說的是對的,現在大家都跟鳴人學影分術,把自己複制1千多萬次,就可以達成了。

用表面積來算:
11,805,916,207,174,113
地球表面積約 5.1億平方公里
11,805,916,207,174,113/510,000,000 = 23,148,855 (人/每平方公里)
就等於 23 人/平方公尺,現在你把一張報紙攤開,往上站,你想一下這張報紙上面要站 23 人,而且不是只有你腳下這張報紙,還有不適合人住的高山、沙漠、站不了人的海面上,都要塞23人。
這裡有一片 Mini Cooper 可以塞多少人的影片:
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=BoW5kexy4ik&feature=related
記錄是 22 人,只要從耶穌出生以來,大家都保持這個狀況,也還是達不到 2^70 這個數字。
同花打不打得過full house?
同花打得過full house?
那除非你老爸變成了兔子!

2008-08-28 @ 10:54
迴響 from: Penny Fox [訪問者] · http://pennyfox.blogspot.com
1. 網路上的部落客其實著重的在表達能力,當然有修飾過的文章看起來會比較好,但也不是說沒修飾過的文章就是垃圾。如果能用更平易近人、更簡單的方式表達不也是種藝術嗎?

2. 我就是英文好、數學不好的那種,無法在社會存活嘛...倒也沒這麼嚴重,只是在社會上存活除了自已要有些專業能力以外,更重要的是要懂的做人(嘆,我就是不會做人所以黑到發光...)。

3. 我沒去過日本,也不是日本人,我不知道他說的對或不對。但是經濟不好影響人民的生活是肯定的吧! 雖然生活過的很差但是還是得過下去啊...

4. 我一直以為耶穌沒有後代... 如果有的話教宗不就應該給耶穌家族一個title嗎?

5. 我只知道台灣的老闆要的是會幫他賺錢的人,而不是會幫他做事的人!
2008-08-28 @ 11:06
迴響 from: 大豬豬 [訪問者]
上班累了,來回答一下朱大的問題好了:

1.我也是覺得網路或部落格上有很多不正確的資訊,很多人看了可能會受影響,不過要做的應該讓大家能去分辨什麼,而不是去管制部落格上的文章。

2.英文、數學好,對求學上有很大的幫助,但不能因英、數的能力不好,就去否決人受教育的權益。

3.我想李伯伯應該是想說要有正面的想法,像佐賀的阿嬤一樣。

4.我不知道耶穌有後代耶!

5.薪水有可能一樣高,但不一定是常態,我倒是覺得對工作的認同比較薪水重要。
2008-08-28 @ 11:21
迴響 from: Venaisha.. 並列 正咩...??? ←安捏嗎? 之 我不是故意留兩次!= =+ [訪問者]

英文好...中文要不要好?
學了英文才知道自己原來中文也很爛...

那......










2008-08-28 @ 11:22
迴響 from: 冰糖 [訪問者]
李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不

少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,

非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終

身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是

否會影響到國家的前途?

答:網路及部落格的文章只不過是我們爽怎樣寫就怎樣寫,就像是我在我房間

裡要不要穿內褲一樣,李老伯你管太多了。我相信以前的人也會寫這種文章,

只不過以前的人因為沒網路所以寫在筆記本上面,李老伯你看不到。而現在的

人因為寫在網路上,所以李老伯你看到的就在那邊覺得很奇怪,我才不相信李

老伯你那個年代沒有白癡文,不過也們也沒看到你那個年代的學生終身的成就

有影響,更影響了國家的前途阿。話說回來,以前的人還可以閱讀及學習更久

之前的人所寫的絕妙好辭與精彩文章,李老伯你那個年代的人到底是寫了啥文

章可以讓我們這年代的人閱讀及學習的阿。
2008-08-28 @ 11:23
迴響 from: 冰糖 [訪問者]
李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現

代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

答:我承認英文很重要,但是現在社會又不是說英文不好就無法存活,這太偏

頗了,英文應該只是加分吧,有一個臭阿宅叫路西法的,英文好到可以翻譯魔

戒,但是也是看到沒混的怎麼樣阿~~~哈哈哈哈哈
2008-08-28 @ 11:24
迴響 from: claire [訪問者] · http://clairechou.blogspot.com
朱大你擷取的華航飛機圖是貨機啦,貨機被畫上微軟LOGO只會被當成私人飛機啦~~~
2008-08-28 @ 11:24
迴響 from: 冰糖 [訪問者]
李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國

家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生

現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經

濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說

法是不是正確?

答:我雖然有八分之一日本血統,但是,日本經濟蕭條關我鳥事,舉點台灣的

例子好嗎?拎杯是住在台灣的。
2008-08-28 @ 11:25
迴響 from: 冰糖 [訪問者]
李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二

的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次

方?

答:阿淦~~~~這數字太大,我數學不好,不過看起來耶穌很會生………,

這樣講起來,李老伯如果活久一點,那李老伯的後代也應該至少有二的七十次

方………
2008-08-28 @ 11:25
迴響 from: 冰糖 [訪問者]
李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水

高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!

答:我管他美國的吹玻璃工人薪水有沒有高到和學校校長一樣,我只知道台灣

沒有。我也不管美國的工人是不是吹玻璃還是吹「玻璃」,我只知道台灣比學

校校長收入還更高的有一狗票是沒有在吹的。
2008-08-28 @ 11:26
迴響 from: 賽琳勞斯 [訪問者]
李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

耶穌不是神之子嗎?他不是代替他的爸爸來人間傳道,怎會有後代?難道說那個李大神是在暗示達文西的密碼是真實的嗎?嗯……
2008-08-28 @ 11:38
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 冰糖 [訪問者]
我只知道台灣比學校校長收入還更高的有一狗票是沒有在吹的。
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大推這句啊!!! 科科科,笑死我 XD
2008-08-28 @ 11:38
迴響 from: Billy [訪問者]
朱大給的那個link講得不是技職學校的校長/系主任嗎?
怎麼大家都認為是吹玻璃工人???

2008-08-28 @ 11:40
迴響 from: A.J [訪問者]
1.會
一個不知道隨時更新資訊的人講出來的話,很可能會誤導到更多沒辦法接收新知識的父母
而這些父母會以這錯誤的觀念來教導他們的子女,這樣傳承下來影響非常之大,一個所謂有學識之人
怎麼可以說話這麼不負責任

2.不正確
現在已經自動演變成為大學義務教育制,想不唸大學都難
數學公式跟英文又沒有直接關係,數學語言也用不到英文
英文好不好跟唸不唸大學跟本畫不上等號
更何況未來將是以中文為主流,不會英文又算什麼

3.不正確
從上面的問題看來已經可以很明顯的看出李先生視野狹隘
基本上他能看到的應該只是他想看到的那一面

4.這...要不要問一下上帝?
要是真的有那麼多後代
那不就人人都是耶穌啦!!!

5.正確
既然人家都提的出來當然就是有這麼一回事
只是這種不是一就一定是二的問法讓人很難去回答
2008-08-28 @ 11:41
迴響 from: 賽琳勞斯 [訪問者]
李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

奇怪,為什麼現在一狗票外國人都在學中文?孫文說:「二十世紀不得不為中國人擅場之世紀。 」倒底是誰在唬爛?
2008-08-28 @ 11:44
迴響 from: Billy [訪問者]
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Glassblower/Salary

20年經驗才7萬2....李家同去吃大便啦!!
2008-08-28 @ 11:52
迴響 from: 宅。男子 [訪問者]
Q1.李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?
ANS:完全不同意,如果說唐代的代表文學是詩 宋代是詞
那為什麼網路文學不能當做是一種時代的表現
完全是文人的迂腐
我們寫作文如果文章的詞意不順叫狗屁不通
蘇東坡寫的詞意不順叫倒裝句......這是文學之美
不能瞭解現代文化的人
反是阻礙了進步

Q2.李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?
ANS:同意後半句,不同意前半句
因為那兩項是求學必須的技能
而不是求生必須的技能

Q3.李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?
ANS:這點我沒辦法否認
景氣會影響人的消費
但不會影響人的生存
Q4.李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?
ANS:這種答案誰驗證的出來
我說耶穌的後代一定不止二的七十次方
至少二的一百三十二次方更是一個天文數字
而且我一定比李家同準
Q5.李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!
ANS:我還真不能判斷是不是正確
但是能肯定技職教育的任何論點
我想都不會是壞事

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抽出十個人是隨機抽嗎
若被抽到的人無法參加
名額是否會被保留??
2008-08-28 @ 11:53
迴響 from: 無意間經過的路人 [訪問者]
Q1李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

ANS1:現今網路的普及跟部落格的發達,正好實現了人人享有言論自由的理念,既使網路上有一堆雷跟大便,也不代表他們沒有存在的價值。網路資訊的如此大量、迅速,有無價值也取決於使用他們的人,若是李老認為現在年輕人喜愛的文章,對他而言盡是一些廢文,也不過是證明他與大家的價值觀不一樣而已,怎能牽扯到影響國家的前途呢?難道大家都上網讀四書五經國家就會有前途嗎‧‧‧

Q2:李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

ANS2:能力有千百種,我想除了英文能力、數理能力,還有很多可以讓我們"存活"下去、以及值得繼續"深造"的能力。(宅力算是一種能力嗎,囧)

Q3:李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

ANS:我沒去日本生活過,不敢隨便回答這個問題。至於生活有沒有影響應該要問日本人後,再做個統計比較清楚吧?但與其說是經濟影響生活,不如說日本人的生活方式影響了經濟吧?

Q4:李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

ANS:老實說,他說他有多少後代,干我屁事。

Q5:李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!

ANS:有人吹吹條狀樂器也賺的比學校校長多啊,這要怎麼比啊?
2008-08-28 @ 11:53
迴響 from: 科科科 [訪問者]
A1.
否,是否影響國家前途,要看相信這個論調的人有多少,越多人相信影響就越大。

A2.
否,生存不是靠英文也不是靠數學,是靠對生命的熱誠啊!!!!

A3.
不正確,且,唯有戰亂才會民不聊生,經濟蕭條頂多是生活品質低落而已。

A4.
不是,已有許多論點提出,不再闡述。

A5.
否,一個職業賺不賺錢要看供需與獨占性。
2008-08-28 @ 11:54
迴響 from: Billy [訪問者]
看到大家的留言,覺得英文不好不會活不下去,但的確會影響到吸收資訊的能力.....
2008-08-28 @ 11:59
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
算了我反悔了,這種回答問題要有競爭性嘛!不然對認真回答的人不公平!

決定由我助理評審出前十名的人來獲得一文不值的VIP資格!

Lucifer
2008-08-28 @ 12:11
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
解析中!
2008-08-28 @ 12:13
迴響 from: OCEAN [訪問者]
轉載~~恐怖的微軟新注音~~請看這段蠻久前網路上的對話:

(依賴電腦打字後…有些字臨時要手寫時..竟忘了怎麼寫….囧….真害...…)


『雲雲,妳說妳教音樂,是哪方面?』朋友問
『就平時交肛琴,禮拜六日在教會工作...』我答
『妳..妳..是說教鋼琴嗎?』對方有點遲疑
『對阿... 』我說
『喔..那~在教會是在做什麼工作阿?』對方又問
『就袋屍斑,領屍之類的...』我回答
『對....對不起.....妳...妳是說...帶......帶詩班...領詩是嗎?』對方語氣有點怪怪的
(唉呦妖壽...怎麼沒檢查就送出,幸好對方對教會還有點認知)
『呵呵~對阿對阿~不好意思打錯字...』我很不好意思地回
『哈....沒關係的,我懂。那妳在教會工作很已經久囉?』對方又問
『其實我是這一年半才開始焦屍斑的....以前是做行政方面的事』我仔細算算這樣告訴他
『ㄟ .....』對方 (見鬼了.....這是葬儀社輸入法嗎?)
『呵呵~我是說這一年半開始教詩班,以前是當幹事.....』我趕緊解釋
『沒..沒關係....我了解。那~聊聊妳的興趣吧,妳平時喜歡做什麼?』對方問
『我啊?最多時候就看VCD囉!』我說
『這樣啊?我也是耶!那你會喜歡韓劇嗎?最近很熱門喔,還是比較喜歡西洋的?』對方問
『含巨根吸陽具一樣插進,我都不喜歡。』我回(啊啊啊.....來不及了....又按ENTER太快了....)
『對不起...我是說...韓劇跟西洋劇一樣差勁,我都不喜歡啦...』我連忙解釋企圖挽回 (我看現在代誌大條了,我的慾女形象毀於一旦,又來了....是玉女才對)
『................』對方
(我想.....他已經嚇昏了吧?!)微軟新注音真的很雞婆耶!”

==!!
2008-08-28 @ 12:19
迴響 from: cchien [訪問者] · http://cchien.pixnet.net

回答這些鬼題目還不如拿去做剛普拉~kero~~

2008-08-28 @ 12:24
迴響 from: Chieeh [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

A: 當然不會,因為根本沒人鳥他。年輕人到了一個歲數就不得不成長,用字遣詞也會改變。
  (但顯然有些人跟比得潘一樣,嚴重有障礙)
 反而會因未來自大人們的試圖矯正,會出現反動心理。與其角正,不如引導。

李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

A:屁。請問,那其他完全沒有機會學英文的孩子,他們就沒有接受高等教育的權利了嗎?

  教育什麼時候開始,築起了高牆?如果說今天我能夠用中文來學習,也自華人圈工作

  那英文就可以只是我的興趣,而不是我存在社會的條件。

  再者,李教授的英文,也不見得高明到哪裡去。那他是否有勇氣把他高等學力證明親自繳回?

李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

A:很顯然他沒有友認識日本的小老百姓。小弟不少長輩在日本工作,那個經濟蕭條到現在還深深影響著

  日本一般基層民眾,消費力也尚未恢復至往日榮景。對,對於金字塔頂端的日本人,經濟蕭條的確不

  痛不癢,但對於基層,有多少人是因為圖有技術而無法就業?我建議李教授去差清楚在來發言比較好

李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

A:他連兒子都還沒有就葛屁了,哪來二的七十次方?還是麻煩自認為是耶穌的兒子的拿出族譜來啊


李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!(補充說明:正確不正確我不知道,但這個工作需求寫的很清楚:
http://jobview.monster.com/GetJob.aspx?JobID=74075678&JobTitle=PROPRIETARY+SCHOOL+PRESIDENT%2FSCHOOL+DIRECTOR&fn=3&jto=1&sort=dt&rad=50&rad_units=miles&sid=92&brd=1&cy=US&vw=b&AVSDM=2008-07-21+14%3A48%3A00&pg=1&seq=8
每年八萬到二十萬美金薪水,還有25%-50%的績效獎金。賓州州立大學1993年度給校長的薪水是三十四萬六千美金。吹玻璃的工人薪水這麼高,一年可以賺個上千萬,美國真是個好地方呀!)

A:如果有去美國生活過的人應該對這數據都不會感到驚訝,這是供需問題而已。一件工作想做的人少了

  自然為了聘用人來就職的代價就會相對提升,值到其薪資補償到達某一水準為止。李教授有興趣可以來敝校

  堂聽一下經濟學,他會說一堆蠢話,顯然是經濟學沒學好。
2008-08-28 @ 12:25
迴響 from: 電腦白痴--46歲的我果然是恐龍時代 [訪問者]
教授說的話..我通常都聽不懂..
分享工作中接待過的數十位教授的經驗(我在預售屋市場打滾23年)
99%完全不鳥你的建材怎樣,格局如何,地點如何
唯一的要求:"我是教授,所以你應該算我最便宜的價錢!"
買了以後還特別龜毛,合約書還須拿著放大鏡來看
打完合約書整本都是修改的印章...
所以,從15年前開始,本人一向的雞掰宗旨:
會叫的野獸一律不接待!!
因此,對名動台灣的李教授發表的言論
我一向冷感,因此無法回答.
報告完畢~
2008-08-28 @ 12:29
迴響 from: HZL [訪問者]
這些問題都字太多了
大學生看不懂
或是懶的看
2008-08-28 @ 12:30
迴響 from: Leo Liao [訪問者]
裡盃盃果然是流量靈藥呀...............

只是.......

「標點符號不只是學生不會,許多老師也不會;加上學校月考、基測都不考,學生愈來愈不重視。」吳惠花表示。

連老師都不會那幹嘛要怪學生....
2008-08-28 @ 12:34
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
1.網路與部落格這種東西,不過是大家抒發情緒的方式之一,平常講話又不是在寫作文,不用太認真...喜歡就繼續看、不喜歡就不要看,就這麼簡單。至於什麼"影響國家前途.....這明明是教育部一直沒把教改搞好的問題,請問干網路跟部落格什麼事?
2.這就是充分輕視技職體系學生的證據!英文不好又怎麼樣,又不是每個人都要出國或是考托福,語言只是一種"溝通工具",請不要講的好像英文好就很了不起一樣。而且我向來都不贊成所有人都"一定要唸大學"。再者,滿滿是一堆英文不好、沒有唸大學,日子還過的好好的人存在,我討厭這種睥睨別人的人。
3.我看過阿信裡面針對經濟不景氣那一段劇情。如果阿信這部日劇演的是真的,那麼李家同教授的說法有有問題;如果阿信這部日劇演的是假的,那麼我建議當初看阿信看到掉眼淚的所有台灣同胞請一起連署向日本電視台索賠,因為他們演的太好讓我們以為經濟不景氣真的會對人民產生很大的影響。
4.我只覺得,耶穌的後代是否至少有二的七十次方,跟我一點關係都沒有。難道所謂的學者專家一天到晚都在研究這種跟本身一點關係都沒有的事嗎?
5.我只能直接說:我不相信!請李家同教授到美國吹一年玻璃之後再告訴我答案。
2008-08-28 @ 12:37
迴響 from: Martian [訪問者]
邊吃午飯邊看~
飯吃完~該睡午覺了!

既然是正妹助理要評選~
我下班再重寫一次啦!!!

(就是想参加~)
2008-08-28 @ 12:38
迴響 from: 潛水夫 - 我想穿OOPS跟宅鬥士的T-Shirt [訪問者]
給46歲的兄台:
不知你是在那個區域打滾?

找你買房子,有沒有什麼優待?

我保證,不絕對不是會叫的野獸,我只是一個沒什麼錢的阿宅。
2008-08-28 @ 12:42
迴響 from: bearcr 宅大叔 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/bearcr
to 無盡‧永恆

毆毆,原來還有這個解決方式!又增長了見識

不過...
剛才這樣看下來為啥只看到了某關鍵兩個字勒.....﹝掩面
2008-08-28 @ 12:46
迴響 from: Chieeh [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
等一下
吳惠花老師
這名子的台語諧音讓我覺得這篇是假新聞
2008-08-28 @ 12:56
迴響 from: allmineral [訪問者]
我不想抽什麼VIP

我只想看屎望激大人告白

然後被打入地獄
2008-08-28 @ 13:00
迴響 from: 機車妹 [訪問者]
ㄟ 亂一下
那個女生是Victoria Secret 的超級名模
收入有美國名模前十名喔
他很漂亮:)
2008-08-28 @ 13:16
迴響 from: simon~~我肥來了!! [訪問者]
迴響來自: kkk [訪問者]

2.我爸一個老兵,我媽國小畢業,也是做工養我到這麼大,
他倆也在這個社會活得好好的. 她們當然不認識英文,Jeter/丁eter分不清.


kkk大,您您您,您該不會是反錢雞迷吧???
會這樣講雞特隊長的人,是常常出現在某加油站裡的大腳人物吔!!
2008-08-28 @ 13:21
迴響 from: 野原小白 [訪問者]
*請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?
Ans1:
會,
世界上的每一個人,或說這地球上的每一個生命,都會影響所代表團體的命運和前途,
就如同微軟也影響著電腦和網路的前途一樣,雖然用的人很多(包含我自己),
但自己覺得它(一整個)不過是個屁!
自由、開放和平等的精神不只適用於國家民族,更應貫徹於電腦網路,
個人就算窮到餓死,也不會想去微軟上班!!

*李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」
請問這句話是否正確?
Ans2:
不正確!
不就是因為有所不足,才要上(大)學的嗎? 樣樣都行就去比賽拿冠軍就好了,為什麼要念大學,應該要改成:
「英文好、數學好,根本無法在現代(大學)社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」

*請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?
Ans3:
是! (如果他有對全日本做過問卷,就假設它 "是")
define 經濟 = 金錢 ; 人民生活 = 一天心裏科科笑的次數
個人不覺得金錢會對日本人民生活有影響,A片有關事務會不會就不曉得了。

*請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?
Ans4:
不知道,查一下 Google 或是去 Yahoo 知識問一下好了!

*李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」
請問他的說法是否正確!
Ans5:
是..... (又怎樣?)
校長會因此在辦公室吹玻璃嗎? (聽說校長都很閑)
薪水的比較問題也是他的瞭解重點之一嗎?

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好險自己是一個不(想)關心時事的阿宅,
所以可能可以活久一點,就跟那些有錢、有勢、有聲望且不知關懷體恤為何的人一樣!
2008-08-28 @ 13:32
迴響 from: bravesheng [訪問者]
1. 我要VIP.
2. 我要VIP.
3. 我要VIP.
4. 我要VIP.
5. 玻璃有什麼好吹的,我要VIP.
2008-08-28 @ 13:48
迴響 from: @fei [訪問者]
今天的回文 都好長篇呀

簡單的說
1.跟微軟談談是好主意 或許也是好生意

2.李教授的論述角度不一樣, 那是因為他不常用msn聊,也沒有在po以科科結尾的文章

3.網路上文章的多面向, 可以培養判斷能力, 外文不好的為了會為了要看懂某一些自己有興趣的東西而開始去學 (例如有人為了破關而學英文或是有人喜歡看奇幻小說甚至翻譯了它而賺了三千萬台幣..等等)

4.以上報名一文不值的VIP資格

2008-08-28 @ 13:49
迴響 from: 電腦白痴--46歲的我果然是恐龍時代 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 潛水夫
大大,我目前在台中幫建設公司處理透天社區型的餘屋
就是那種市場上大家都說要到的建設公司啦..
上班了三個月也賣了幾戶,如果大大有心要買房子
不一定要跟我買啦..倒是有關的問題我很樂意分享給各位知道
祝潛水夫大大早日找到心目中理想的家園..

批ㄟ斯:目前預售屋市場悽涼,私底下價位都會很好談
成屋市場會很混亂,依照屋主或建商的狀況價錢也是很有彈性
依我目前賣的這裡來說,牌價1980萬實際成交1350萬就買的到,牌價3900萬的甚至只要2600萬!
2008-08-28 @ 13:56
迴響 from: 不苦勞 [訪問者]
「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」-->當然會影響,以後教授的計畫案投標書都要用MSN文來書寫,教授因為不會寫就投不到計畫,教不好學生.更無法達計畫的經費去花天酒地當然影響經濟以及國家的錢途

「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」-->當然正確,看看我們的前總統就是英文不好可是數學卻是太好了(好到可以當總統淨賺好幾億).才會遭人眼紅不容於現在的社會.要是前總統可以和現任總統一樣愛上台灣龍捲風的表演方式,講話講一講就插幾句英文,就一樣會繼續受人愛戴呀

「我們...你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」--->答案當然是肯定的.不會有影響.因為教授出國去要不是去開會就是有人招待.當然看不到不景氣的樣子.還會因為失業的人轉行當酒店的服務生變多,讓人有景氣蓬勃發展的氣氛呀

「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」---->答案當然是肯定的,根據聖經的教條人(以及世界)是上帝創造的,所以也可以被視為是上帝的後代.而耶穌是上帝的兒子也是上帝的後代.因此大家都是一家親.全地球的人(所以東西)都是耶穌的後代呀~

「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」--->我只有一個疑問....這個工人吹的玻璃是哪一種? 是吃完麻辣鍋隔天就會亂噴的那個玻璃嗎?....如果是....薪水當然高~
2008-08-28 @ 13:57
迴響 from: 迷思羊 [訪問者]
To. Ocean
留這種言請加警語
上班中不宜噗嗤
老闆在
突然噴笑被他白眼了啦



認真的回答應該不是用字數來判斷的吧?
美麗優雅的助理小姐抱大腿ing
2008-08-28 @ 14:10
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephenalien
迴響來自: 電腦白痴--46歲的我果然是恐龍時代 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 潛水夫
大大,我目前在台中幫建設公司處理透天社區型的餘屋
就是那種市場上大家都說要到的建設公司啦..
上班了三個月也賣了幾戶,如果大大有心要買房子
不一定要跟我買啦..倒是有關的問題我很樂意分享給各位知道
祝潛水夫大大早日找到心目中理想的家園..

批ㄟ斯:目前預售屋市場悽涼,私底下價位都會很好談
成屋市場會很混亂,依照屋主或建商的狀況價錢也是很有彈性
依我目前賣的這裡來說,牌價1980萬實際成交1350萬就買的到,牌價3900萬的甚至只要2600萬!

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依照這樣子來看

北部的房子也可以殺到六折左右嗎?
(興奮期待~興奮期待~)
2008-08-28 @ 14:13
迴響 from: 盧卡斯...........真的感冒了 = = [訪問者]
46歲老大哥果然一出手就是勁爆的消息

只可惜在台中~ 唉~~~

2008-08-28 @ 14:14
迴響 from: baabuu-阿宅聚會照片請按右邊網址 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
windows小算盤計算教學
1.開啟windows中的小算盤程式
2.點選上方"檢視"->工程型
3.點選右方數字區中的2
4.點選左方"X^Y"鍵
5.點選右方數字區中的7與0
6.點選右方"="鍵
7.即會呈現結果為1180591620717411303424

同場加映
以中文表示為
十一垓八千零五十九京一千六百二十兆七千一百七十四億一千一百三十萬三千四百二十四
參考資料:http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E7%A9%B0&variant=zh-tw

先回答第四題
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李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?
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我的答案是:不知道
但是不論耶穌的後代是不是至少有2的70次方,韓國人會宣稱這些人都是韓國人
2008-08-28 @ 14:19
迴響 from: Venaisha.. 並列 正咩...??? ←安捏嗎? 之 我不是故意留兩次!= =+ [訪問者]

台中的房子都很大很漂亮耶...
步調又輕鬆...

好久沒回去啦~~~(茶)
2008-08-28 @ 14:21
迴響 from: 黯腦 [訪問者] · http://forum2.hkgolden.com.hk
朱大會上TV Show嗎
會嗎?
2008-08-28 @ 14:27
迴響 from: OCEAN [訪問者]
迷思羊 [訪問者]
To. Ocean
留這種言請加警語
上班中不宜噗嗤
老闆在
突然噴笑被他白眼了啦
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哈哈….被他白眼…..
您..您…該不會想殺他全家吧?
是的..秘書小姐...以後會記得加註警語的!....
如果忘了加…請yy車隊要手下留情啊…
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但是不論耶穌的後代是不是至少有2的70次方,韓國人會宣稱這些人都是韓國人
.....哈哈哈...韓國人真的會做這種事....(除了李久哲..)
2008-08-28 @ 14:35
迴響 from: 陸仁賈 [訪問者]
Q1:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

A1:會啊, 所以才要有這個部落格..禾斗禾斗


Q2: 李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

A2:不知道勒, 不過如果去便利商店買東西時店員少找錢給我, 我卻算不出來, 好像更活不下來, 因為錢很快就被騙光了..


Q3: 李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

A3. 好像是勒, 所謂飽暖思淫慾, 日本A片這麼多, 可見日本人都吃的飽飽的, 穿得暖暖的, 所以才有心情看A片...禾斗禾斗

Q4:李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

A4. 嗯, 這是個好問題, 其實大家都是諾亞的後代, 幹麻計較這麼多...

Q5: 李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!

A5. 我比較想知道米國吹喇叭演戲的女優薪水有沒有和吹玻璃的一樣多...禾斗禾斗

宅T還能不能訂購啊?
2008-08-28 @ 15:03
迴響 from: Leo Liao [訪問者] · http://ch.ntnu.edu.tw/9years/00608.htm
給某某樓的 Chieeh:
吳惠花老師是真有其人的,連結的這篇文章還滿妙的.

吳惠花老師 經歷
* 花蓮師專美勞組畢業
* 國立台灣師範大學公訓系畢業
* 國立台北師範學院國民教育研究所四十學分班結業
* 目前攻讀國立台北教育大學語文教育研究所
* 現任:
o 鄧公國小教師
o 台北縣國小本國語文輔導團輔導員
o 教育部國民教育司中央課程與教學輔導諮詢教師
2008-08-28 @ 15:18
迴響 from: ARES [訪問者]
我簡單表達一下我的疑問

我想知到為什麼你一直推崇美國?
那個濫國家有什麼值得好說的?
(牢騷完畢 朱大好像還不知道美國是多麼下賤的一個國家)

在來表達我的看法

以前的科舉考的是過去的史料
民初考的也是以前的東西
你憑什麼說我們現在就要考現在的東西
有時候要考的是文筆 我敢打賭 現在考試出來的作品 沒有一樣是自己的親身經歷
我現在也只是用空白做斷句 為什麼? 那是因為這是網路上的發表 不是正式的
是自己國家的文化 是一種流行文化 那麼 你就要否認掉正式書寫方式嗎?
我問你!! 你要否定掉過去文人的文化?
我只是一個高中生 也抱怨過孔子的儒家思想 也寫過批評嚴回的文章 (分數還不低就是了
但是 考試還是會考 你也可以批儒學 考試還是照考 因為那是文化資產
你今天說這種話 我感覺很矛盾 這跟把大中至正改成自由廣場有什麼兩樣!!

反正朱大的迴響這麼多 要看到我的迴響大概很難
希望你檢討一下自己的看法 至於李家同教授的話
我認為 文化是文化 流行是流行 流行屬於文化的一部分 不是文化的全部

今天你說用MSN符號去考試 就等於捨棄了過去的文化成就
以這樣的非正式文書當作評價一個人語文能力的標準
只會讓國際間見笑罷了
2008-08-28 @ 15:39
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
看來有人啟動認真模式了@@"
2008-08-28 @ 15:51
迴響 from: baabuu-阿宅聚會照片請按右邊網址 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
= ='

有人需要板凳嗎?
2008-08-28 @ 15:54
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
baabuu老闆,請給我一份雞排,不要辣
另外還要一杯珍奶去冰
2008-08-28 @ 15:55
迴響 from: 鼎 [訪問者]
a1.會喜愛矛盾不合邏輯文章的是少數怪胎(搞不好很有才華) 大多數的人還是喜歡正常的好文章 國家是靠多數人在撐 少數人在提升跟搞破壞 李背背的觀察有偏頗而且放大錯誤點是杞人憂天...


a2.就算數學不好也能存活 例如李背背自己舉的例子.吹玻璃的工人.吹玻璃的工業技術很高嗎? 是單純的工藝吧 也能存活


a3.日本經濟蕭條前 曾經繁榮過 每個國民都存有一些老本 大蕭條期間 大家都是吃老本過活 所以感受不明顯(日本專家跟日本導遊都這樣跟我說)


a4.這一題沒有好好看過朱大舊文的人的回答都進入誤區 李家同認為學生的邏輯很重要 阿達文西密碼說耶穌有後代 李背背認為學生竟然不會去質疑耶穌後代的人數 最好笑的是 他的計算方式還算錯 阿補充說明 李家同後來出新書(65) 他應該明知數據有錯 但新書中還是用原文數據(出版社跟李背背一樣不專業)

a5.李背背想表達的是 大學生的英文要好 不然就去念技職 也能賺大錢
2008-08-28 @ 16:00
迴響 from: 小說狂 [訪問者]
李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛 ...

等等,以下略

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
我想來回應這個觀點,其中我有認同的小部分,但是也有相當的一部分不認同。

我覺得閱讀網路或部落格的不合邏輯且矛盾,未經修飾的文章,在些許的程度上會影響學生的成就。畢竟讀不合理的、錯誤的文章,吸收謬誤的知識會對學生當然有不良的影響


好,問題來了,有一個奇怪的地方是 ......
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...
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李教授 ,我應該也是可以算在年輕人的範圍裡 , 但是我不喜歡不合邏輯的文章耶 !

對於某些看就知道不合理,亂七八糟的文章 ,為什麼年輕人就要喜歡呢,難道李教授認識的年輕人裡面都喜歡不合邏輯的文章嗎?

這個觀點太讓我驚訝了,對於不合邏輯的文章反而年輕人會喜歡這件事....囧rz

李教授,現在的年輕人沒有那麼糟好嗎? 在這個資訊爆炸的現在,花費相當的時間在網路上的年輕人,可能對於文章中傳達訊息的真假好壞 ,還比其他年齡層的人來的敏銳呢!

而且在我常走動的部落格中,有決大部分的文章可以讓我分享網友的想法、感受,有些文章甚至讓我有種吾道不孤的想法

知道也有其他人認同自己的一些想法、興趣 ,這對我來說是很大的鼓勵呢~

為了避免嘴炮,為了讓您老瞧瞧現在年輕人中之一到底喜歡看什麼,我來貼幾個常逛的blog吧~

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采豫的依蘭翠絲印緘坊
http://blog.roodo.com/-caiyu-
>>> 這是我非常喜歡的一位奇幻作者的blog ,他有時候會分享自己喜歡的作品, 讓我也跟著看


WOW眾星之子-神人軍團
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/opmyself2
>>>>>魔獸世界的部落格 ,裡面有超爆笑得漫畫耶

貴婦異想世界
http://peeress.pixnet.net/blog/
>>>> 以前同事的聯合blog ,裡面有些她們自己寫的小故事、生活紀實,及搞笑得上班二三事 ,讓我在疲累的下班之後,有各舒緩情緒的好去處


幸福的人生
http://ismc9853.blogspot.com/
>>>這是一位強力的公務員,裡面分享許多國家考試的心得 ,我由其中偷師不少學習的技巧歐!


最後當然就是這裡拉 , 吳警員 、阿宅馬特、Randy Pausch教授的最後一堂課,還有最近正在瞭解的OOPS開放式課程計畫 ,當然也不能忘記正妹大圖、眾宅友,深夜的科科笑,是各吸引力十足的地方歐 ^^
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當然除了這些之外還有許多, 我自己很高興的說 ,逛到這些有趣、好玩也具有意義的部落格 ,對我的成就絕對有很正面的影響哩!!

所以李教授不妨也花一些時間瞭解一下他不瞭解的年輕人吧....話說回來我寫在這他也看不到就是了

哈哈,一敲就敲好久,不寫摟 ,我要再去玩一下OOPS了
2008-08-28 @ 16:16
迴響 from: 電腦白痴--46歲的我果然是恐龍時代 [訪問者]
baabuu老闆,我來杯半糖紅,去冰
雞排不用,我自己從一中街帶來了
麻煩借張板凳嘿~

批ㄟ斯:異形,18歲的大大,北部的房價如果能到6折.我讓你打到骨折..
又批ㄟ斯:原來正咩是台中人?就說台中出產辣妹咩...
2008-08-28 @ 16:16
迴響 from: cyber runner [訪問者] · http://orz18.blogspot.com
VIP好好呀
但大圖更好(握拳)
XD
2008-08-28 @ 16:23
迴響 from: Venaisha.. 並列 正咩...??? ←安捏嗎? 之 可以不用並列了嗎?@@?? [訪問者]

愕..我不是台中人..^^|||

2008-08-28 @ 16:23
迴響 from: 電腦白痴--46歲的我果然是恐龍時代 [訪問者]
迴響來自: Venaisha.. 並列 正咩...??? ←安捏嗎? 之 我不是故意留兩次!= =+ [訪問者]

台中的房子都很大很漂亮耶...
步調又輕鬆...

好久沒回去啦~~~(茶)
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看妳寫這樣,以為妳是..拍謝..
2008-08-28 @ 16:37
迴響 from: 迪歐 [訪問者]
無聊來回:
Q1~全台灣最不講求邏輯的東西1個是媒體另1個是各大保育、環保、教育等團體。治標不如治本~~請先搞定這兩個

Q2~社會的構成是需要各種階層的人的,數學英文不好的人就沒法生存的話....以後應該不會有人口爆增的問題

Q3~難道日本人會隨便跟一個觀光客OR陌生人說:我生活快過不下去之類的嗎= =

Q4~干我屁事~~我比較擔心我有沒有後代

Q5~每個吹玻璃的都那麼賺~~請問誰要當大學校長?



朱大要去跟納豆博感情嗎?
展現學長的威嚴XD
2008-08-28 @ 16:43
迴響 from: Venaisha.. 並列 正咩...??? ←安捏嗎? 之 可以不用並列了嗎?@@?? [訪問者]

嗯..只是阿嬤的後頭厝在那兒...
2008-08-28 @ 16:45
迴響 from: krypton [訪問者]
我只挑這點回答:
李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

如果耶穌的後代是乳酸菌的話,那要2的幾百次方都沒問題。
但是人類不會無性生殖,男男跟女女也生不出後代。
如果耶穌後代的每個世代都有一男一女,且都能找到另外的一男一女配對生出一對後代的話,那麼在到第28代時耶穌的這代子孫就已經到達目前50億人口的一半。
也就是說,如果以目前人口數為限制的話,耶穌的第29代子孫只能近親繁殖。即使有50億人口也只能有25億對能生下後代。
如果還是維持之前的一男一女產能的話,耶穌的後代數量將在這一世代到達極限。

即使不以目前總人口數量為限制的話,事實上也不會有這麼多的人可以跟耶穌的後代配對。
無論如何,在耶穌的後代只能選擇近親繁殖的時候,耶穌的後代就只會停留在那個世代的人數上。(以李教授的基本假設來看的話)

結論是,不會有達到2^70的一天。
2008-08-28 @ 16:58
迴響 from: krypton [訪問者]
結果,
我也只用了逗號跟句號而已....Orz
2008-08-28 @ 17:02
迴響 from: 給樓上 [訪問者]
你還用了「冒號」和「括號」說……

2008-08-28 @ 17:04
迴響 from: krypton [訪問者]
補注結論:
前提是,耶穌要有後代以上推論才能成立。

我只是根據李教授的言論來推論,並非故意詆毀耶穌。
2008-08-28 @ 17:07
迴響 from: 65 [訪問者] · http://neydna.pixnet.net/blog/
1.不會,這社會國家不會因為一個老人的看法想法就改變了...

2.不正確,那一堆英文不好(如我)怎麼還在這社會上生活,還有工作阿??以偏概全,失敗!!

3.不正確,我記得之前日本還用0利率來鼓勵人們消費,或是用折價卷鼓勵你消費

4.這太深奧了,直接跳過...@@

5.基本上,國家不同,風土民情不同,怎麼能相提並論呢!!!
還是李教授生活在只有理論的社會??
任何人事物都"只有"理論嗎??
美國??李教授活在美國嗎??
很明顯不是嘛!如果在美國,可能就只是個老頭而已了...

阿,我認真了...囧
2008-08-28 @ 17:18
迴響 from: 熱褲男孩 [訪問者]
草莓俱樂部就是朱大的美麗助理Peggy吧~
真是人長得可愛,在msn上也是夢幻到不行阿...

2008-08-28 @ 17:31
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephenalien
迴響來自: 電腦白痴--46歲的我果然是恐龍時代 [訪問者]
baabuu老闆,我來杯半糖紅,去冰
雞排不用,我自己從一中街帶來了
麻煩借張板凳嘿~

批ㄟ斯:異形,18歲的大大,北部的房價如果能到6折.我讓你打到骨折..

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唔~

我只是想知道台北這邊的能殺到多少
不管是預售、新成屋、中古屋,因為家中有需要嘛~

上禮拜跟O山銀行的人聊
他說現在某房仲業者一個月才只有三、四十個案子成交
他們的代書閒得發慌

如果這邊不方便的話
就煩請移駕到我部落格的留言版~
2008-08-28 @ 17:38
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
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>>>李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

首先,阿同伯提到的是媒介"網路&BLOG"。

傳播媒介會因為時代而改變,但是其本質是不變的;我們現下身處于網路時代革命進程中,各種論壇與BLOG,以其方便性及傳遞廣度都是史無前例的便捷。這是無庸置疑的!
而這種類型的傳媒,其內容特性多半是~非官方,非學術;談天說地,無所不包。
在網路革命開始之前,難道庶民就沒有類似的媒介嗎?
也是有的! 其轉變之處是將數位轉化為平面或者影像。
如此的庶民文化以往在雜誌,廣播,電視節目中,也是廣泛的流傳。

也因此,阿同伯的論述,與"網路"沒有必然的關係。
因為這種所謂"邏輯不通,無篩選修改的劣文",早已行之有年!
這樣的反對網路媒介,實在不甚合理。

再者,我們來討論此思潮的價值。
清代大儒金聖嘆揉合古今百家之學,提出六大才子書。其中水滸傳,西廂記等;前者是市井小民喜愛的白話小說,後者是渲染元稹詩作"會真記"愛情故事的戲劇劇本。
也就是一本是章回小說,一本是愛情偶像劇!
兩作在當時皆被認為是庶民文化,也被稱作不入流之著作,但其文學成就為何在後世得到平反,並且後儒讚譽有加?
更不要提四大奇書,當時本本都是膾炙人口的平民刊物,更是影響華夏後世"集體意識"之鉅作。
(西遊記草刻出中國民間信仰,三國演義對於明清劇本之影響,可從多方探討,不勝枚舉!)

阿同伯在這方面斷然認為網路文學,庶民思潮,"必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途",此段話的確是是太過武斷了!
因為此類思潮,並非於網路時代開始;我們反觀幾百年下來是否影響國家前途?
可以斷言,網路非但不會影響國家前途,更有機會創造許多佳作。

平心而論,網路上仍會出現許多注音文或者是奇言謬論。但是這是媒體的本質。
必須要了解到,網路上所呈現的不一定是正確的,這是在於閱讀者自行篩選吸收,從另一方面來看,這也是言論自由社會的實踐。
另外一個小常識,維基百科不被學術界所承認。論文請不要拿維基來引述,會零分喔。

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>>>李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

阿同伯認為英文不好,其他好也沒有用處,勢必無法在現代社會生存。
這段文字依舊犯了個武斷的毛病。

其一,好與不好如何界定?英文部分,托福630分以上才算好,還是會唱英文歌就算好?
此範圍太過籠統,界定不明!

其二,專業技職人士學有專精,就如飯店主廚英文不佳,仍可月入二十萬。這樣又稱呼為無法存活?
還是唯有必須在學術界任職才稱為存活?

此段文字邏輯精妙,讓人好生佩服!

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>>>李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

日本目前飽受"經濟泡沫化"的危機。
因韓戰時受美國扶植,日本經濟活絡,但在80年代初開始大量灌入游資,因而產生經濟活絡假象。並非是因為產業興旺而產生。
一但外資抽離,日本經濟將會大幅震盪。

日資公司以往因韓戰時其經濟景氣發達,而日資企業多半將員工視為己出,絕少裁員。
但因游資過多,多次震盪造成企業倒閉,因此企業主力圖除破舊框,於90年代遂行裁員風氣,一時人人自危。
日本白領階級因失去終身保障,於是力行儲蓄,社會消費量驟減,最終造成日本社會新一波的經濟衝擊與考驗。

也因此,日本經濟目前是"金絮其外,敗絮其中"。
由於消費市場萎縮,因而各產業無法興盛;
唯有將其產品遂行外銷,或者是外資引入企業減少風險。更差者開始裁員,縮減員工福利薪水。
於是日本企業每天憂心被掏空危機,上班族隨時有被裁員危險,已經成為一種惡性循環,至今仍沒有改善跡象。

看回本文,工業技術高的國家,就等同於社會經濟安穩?就等同於人民生活有保障?
阿同伯實在是言之過早。

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>>>李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

耶穌根本無子嗣。哪來二的七十次方子孫?
又,假設真的有那麼多子孫,基因遺傳自耶穌者,比例只剩下自體遺傳基因的二的七十次方的兩倍分之一(真是詰屈聱牙),有何意義?
還有,阿同伯這個算式應該是錯誤的。

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>>>李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!(補充說明:正確不正確我不知道,但這個工作需求寫的很清楚:
>>>http://jobview.monster.com/GetJob.aspx?JobID=74075678&JobTitle=PROPRIETARY+SCHOOL+PRESIDENT%2FSCHOOL+DIRECTOR&fn=3&jto=1&sort=dt&rad=50&rad_units=miles&sid=92&brd=1&cy=US&vw=b&AVSDM=2008-07-21+14%3A48%3A00&pg=1&seq=8
>>>每年八萬到二十萬美金薪水,還有25%-50%的績效獎金。賓州州立大學1993年度給校長的薪水是三十四萬六千美金。吹玻璃的工人薪水這麼高,一年可以賺個上千萬,美國真是個好地方呀!)

阿同伯勉勵同學多多就讀技職學校;我們反觀台灣,是否能夠讓勞動人口擁有如此傲人待遇?
台灣不重視勞動三權,政府的勞保政策東貼西補,都是個現實層面台灣"不重視勞工"的問題。

阿同伯並且掉入一個迷思,難道大學生就不能吹玻璃?
大學文憑好壞要讓市場決定,同樣的勞工就職體系也該讓市場來決定。
真正積極面是提高國內對勞動者的價值觀,讓更多年輕人願意投入市場打拼。

ㄆ.
首先,勞保以及退休金制度需要更完善,提高藍領階級競爭力。
例如擬定推行勞工高利活存等,以及更高的醫療補助。

ㄅ.
接著要改革的地方,應當是從社會及群體意識著手。
多多舉辦工業技術獎項,並且拔擢新人,逐漸的技職教育才能夠改善,讓更多人投入,並且吹玻璃也可以追求卓越!
獎勵制度健全,可以逐步將工匠提升至工藝,並且建立國際信譽與品牌。

德國就是一個很好的例子,他們也是大學錄取率極高的國家。
誰說兩者不能並存?
由此可知,阿同伯可能沒想透徹。

一句短評:
阿同伯誤人子弟,握槽踏馬。
2008-08-28 @ 18:30
迴響 from: 甜蜜倒數282-阿堯 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/yaolovel
作文這種東西
不管常不常用電腦打字
本身就要常常練習才寫得出好東西

(遙想當年...)
每周二篇作文
國小三年級組作文比賽第一名"莊阿堯"
每周一篇作文
國小四年級組作文比賽第一名"莊阿堯"
兩周一篇作文
國小五年級處作文比賽第四名"莊阿堯"
每月一篇作文
國小六年級組作文比賽佳作"莊阿堯"
不寫作文
國中一年級組作文比賽...
連個佳作都沒有~.~

有誰知道在2:30~3點多的時候發生什麼事情嗎?
我不管怎麼留言都跑亂瑪..
難不成連留言版都受到演習的影響?
2008-08-28 @ 18:32
迴響 from: Chieeh [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
阿同伯誤人子弟無數阿

他不是號稱教出快一個營的博碩士嗎?
2008-08-28 @ 18:39
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
我ㄅ.ㄆ寫反了,筆誤~ ㄎㄎ

上班時間哪!!偷偷摸摸忙中有錯...
2008-08-28 @ 18:40
迴響 from: Chieeh [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
阿堯
你家電腦拉肚子了 級時通一直登出 留言跑亂碼 這是快死的徵兆

Black Sabbath-結晶體
我阿公有時候也會這樣,尤其是他在罵我老爹的時候

Leo Liao
阿花師看起來好專業的感覺,失禁失禁啊

ARES
美國很下賤啊 我不知道耶
我只知道美國人很愛拿炸彈丟外國人(顯然他們覺得按按鈕很好玩
2008-08-28 @ 18:46
迴響 from: 簡尼夫。德萊尼 [訪問者] · http://www.gamebase.com.tw/mybase/kenneth1991/
好點子
讚!!!
不過的三寶還是
睡覺,吃飯,練武術



齋戒的簡尼夫…
Blades of Chaos!!!
我的三寶:睡覺,吃飯,練武術
2008-08-28 @ 19:00
迴響 from: 明太子 [訪問者]
Q1:不會,因為好險他不是教育部長

Q2:不正確,陳大雄英文不好還不是做到總統,賺了好幾十億。(數學好才能好好算錢吧!)

Q3:不正確,日本經濟蕭條時,他根本沒去過日本,說法不可信

Q4:不是,他英文好、數學不好,你還相信他的算術嗎?

Q5:管他正不正確,干我們屁事啊!
2008-08-28 @ 19:08
迴響 from: oskar-何止啊,朱大根本就是一個奈良重雄般的紳士啊! [訪問者]
給ares

從你的內文來看,您應該還很年輕,所以我分享一下老人的看法。
ares應該是某歐洲神話的戰神嘛?有點忘記了。

朱宅霸只是提出了他比較另類的看法,
他的內文中並沒有針對現在的體制或是教育方式有任何批評吧,
也沒有如你所言。

個人認為,他可取之處在於創意和可能性,
道學之人當然可以說他荒謬,他有今日的影響力卻只是在胡鬧。
難道所有閱聽之人沒有自己的判斷力嘛?
我不禁要問。

他只是提出一種看法跟可能性,
民主的體制的可貴跟價值不就在於其允許任何可能性,
即使它立刻會被否定。

當黃興、邱瑾、林懷民、林獻糖、蔣渭水這些人出來運動的時候,
對當時的政府、大官、有錢人、知識份子,
對一般的平民百姓、販夫走卒來說,
那叫做
「造反」!
是要殺頭掉腦袋的,
10個人知道,有九個人反對你,
你沒辦法知道這是萬世之利,
因為可不會憑空掉下來一本歷史課本告訴你,買大會賠大。
你只知道這樣做要殺頭掉腦袋。
沒人認同的事情,不一定不對。
正確的事情,可能會殺頭掉腦袋。

扯遠了,抱歉,
這例子有點太過極端,
不過朱宅霸在有趣之中,
告訴我創意的重要性,
可能性的無限之處,

試著在批評之前,不如就先一股腦的完全接受對方的觀點看看。
我們是
「我覺得...」如此之多
人最難的一件事情就是失去自我,因為腦袋是你的,
何妨多裝點其他的想法,
讓自己多荒謬一點,
多愚蠢一點呢

明天醒來之後,
你還是知道這很荒謬。
但是,五月天的第一個鼓手,
離開五月天的時候一定也有類似的感覺。
Bill Gates的Co-founder在賣掉股票的時候,
也有類似的感覺。

從前,今天,明天,可能性總是存在嘛。
2008-08-28 @ 19:46
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
迴響來自: Chieeh [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
阿同伯誤人子弟無數阿
他不是號稱教出快一個營的博碩士嗎?
>>>>>>>>>>
媽呀,他思想食古不化,還教育這麼多人,邪惡的分母啊!!

2008-08-28 @ 19:54
迴響 from: Chieeh [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
阿同伯以精算是正常的了

我沒辦法想像我被醬爆教過以後

我腦袋還會有多少正常的東西

杜納豆先生作教育部長怎樣,我不敢評論

可是他課本倒是寫的不錯

他應該忘記他自己寫過「中國文化史」了吧
2008-08-28 @ 20:04
迴響 from: Chieeh [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
迴響來自: oskar-何止啊,朱大根本就是一個奈良重雄般的紳士啊! [訪問者]
給ares
以下恕刪

我發現這兩天,ID有A開頭的

都有嚴重被圍剿的傾向說
2008-08-28 @ 20:05
迴響 from: 宅。男子 [訪問者]
我錯過了什麼
吃完晚餐已經吃不下雞排了
baabuu老闆
我要珍奶
半冰去糖不要奶
2008-08-28 @ 20:25
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
迴響來自: Chieeh [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
>>>>>>>>
這我記得,自從杜納豆在師大把台灣橫著畫,我們系上就不用他的書了。
江郎才盡,轉而變成台灣人民眼中的跳梁小丑,
實不可取。

另ares,
趁你還年輕,多訓練自己思考能力吧!
隱喻要去探究呀,看個表面就衝動發言是讓人尷尬的唷。
2008-08-28 @ 20:39
迴響 from: Chieeh [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
baabuu老闆
有人接力開槍了,我也要來杯涼的

=================
Black Sabbath-結晶體

那本書真的寫的還不錯啊,我們不能以人廢書

起碼那天他出席泛綠活動的時候,我們可以拿這本書去請他簽
2008-08-28 @ 20:51
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
迴響來自: Chieeh [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
>>>>>>>>>>>
以人廢書,不會的,只是敝人大學時剛好被教授們排擠罷了。
有機會我也想看看他的著作唷。
2008-08-28 @ 21:01
迴響 from: Nion [訪問者]
所有問題的答案都是「否定句」
不會、不對、不正確、完全錯誤

我是來當分母的 XD
2008-08-28 @ 21:06
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203

忘了問

屎旺雞大大到底跟果子小姐告白了沒?
2008-08-28 @ 21:17
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
我又被說要檢討了。(攪手指)

Lucifer

今天剛錄完兩集,適度的表達了我對李家同教授的景仰。
2008-08-28 @ 21:18
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
大約什麼時候會看的到@@

我好想看朱豪宅表阿同伯啊
2008-08-28 @ 21:19
迴響 from: GnaynisH [訪問者]
「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」+「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」
難怪他鼓吹英文的重要
2008-08-28 @ 21:23
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
對耶,何時放送..我要在家裡買可樂鹽酥雞,準時收看^^

韓愈~伯夷頌
士之特立獨行,適於義而已,不顧人之是非,皆豪傑之士,信道篤而自知明也。
2008-08-28 @ 21:26
迴響 from: OCEAN [訪問者]
迴響來自: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
對耶,何時放送..我要在家裡買可樂鹽酥雞,準時收看^^

韓愈~伯夷頌
士之特立獨行,適於義而已,不顧人之是非,皆豪傑之士,信道篤而自知明也。
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說的好啊!! ..小二..來2壺白干兒...滷菜一盤...也給朱大來份3斤裝內行人鹹酥雞..(胃受得了才能吃喔..)

朱大加油!!!^^b
2008-08-28 @ 21:41
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
喔,我有問到了

定做全套黑暗騎士行頭
(我還特地拿朱大的照片去跟老闆說:我希望做一件能把他塞進去的)

好像兩萬多塊跑不掉

如果不想卡蛋,可以加兩千選購棒球捕手在用的「護蛋器」

以後朱大就可以穿那透衣服上節目了

有人想合資購買嗎=ˇ=
2008-08-28 @ 21:46
迴響 from: palm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ruaypapa
======================================================
>>迴響來自: 小羊 [訪問者]
>>就讓他們父子三人扮演海賊王的角色
>>(兒子分別是魯夫和索隆,愛看美女的賈不妙是香吉士)
======================================================

那姊姊扮演誰?????
娜美??羅賓????

小羊…..小羊……

喔喔~~~~~

原來妳是那艘船~~~~~
(不是中央路那艘有卍字的船呦~~~~)




天空降下迷濛的雪霧中
殘缺的船身屹立不搖
只為想再載你們一程
淚水的不捨火花的祝福
雪火飄落淚於海中
一句句的感謝與思念
化為幸福的傳遞
我真的很幸福…
再見了,黃金梅莉號
(摘錄自http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/jw!wgoa3p6ZF0dF7tJHJKHUxw--/article?mid=3342)


2008-08-28 @ 21:59
迴響 from: ckkc [訪問者]
噗!樓上...
就算真的訂做一套黑暗騎士,那也要朱大會穿啊

光想像那情景...科科科
2008-08-28 @ 22:03
迴響 from: 陸仁賈 [訪問者]
朱豪宅穿上暗黑騎士裝...讓我想像一下..., 怎麼讓我想到被小丑吊在高登市警局窗外的那個傢伙....@.@...
2008-08-28 @ 22:07
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
帥!

不過老闆特別說,能把它塞進去是一回事

要怎麼出來又是另一回事了

而且,老闆堅持不會裝拉鍊。蝙蝠俠出任務出到一半跑去上廁所

整個就遜掉了啊




對了,那套衣服,只能手洗

因為除了關節的地方是軟塑膠的以外,其他的部位都會是硬的
2008-08-28 @ 22:09
迴響 from: SL [訪問者]
  我是覺得ares大只是比較認真而已,還沒達到會讓人想譙他的地步(茶)

  他只是比較沒注意到朱大的這篇舊文是朱大在荒繆中出 激凸激出大創意的文章,裡面蠻多像這樣站在很少人看到的觀點的文章。我個人是認為只是單純往創意的方向思考而已,並非真的要這樣的做。

  不過有些事情是這樣的,你認為不可能,可是有時候卻真的不小心有可能,因為在那篇文章還提到台灣微軟後來還真的辦了表情符號大賽Orz……
2008-08-28 @ 22:12
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
演講時跌倒就跟烏龜一樣再也爬不起來了,想上廁所時只能尿在褲子裡。

這樣真的很帥嗎?

Lucifer
2008-08-28 @ 22:17
迴響 from: 布卡 [訪問者]
不然,來做小丑裝好了
應該比較俗...

黑暗騎士行頭
依照200張卡片的數量
1人入股100元,就有啦!

帥喔!
2008-08-28 @ 22:22
迴響 from: GPR [訪問者]
個人針對問題五作回答,李教授用"薪水多寡"來支持她的論點是否太過武斷?姑且不論吹玻璃

工人薪水是否高到和學校校長一樣(可能真的是吹"玻璃"那種),而他推論技職體系表現優異

的原因竟是因為國、英、數很好,試問成績優異的人會去念高職嗎,他們又是因學業成績好而

有所成就? 這些學生不就因為成績不佳才想學個一技之長傍身嗎? 又假設這些人學業成績良

好,李教授就該鼓勵他們深造學業,而不是為了金錢去當什麼玻璃工人,建議李教授可以重修

一下邏輯,不要再出來害人了

http://news.chinatimes.com/2007Cti/2007Cti-News/2007Cti-News-Content/0,4521,110501+112008072400117,00.html
2008-08-28 @ 22:23
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
跌倒嘛,找陳漢典來負責把朱大撐起來好了

至於尿尿的問題,有沒有蹲過捕手的人可以解答一下

有辦法穿紙尿布後在帶護蛋器嘛?
2008-08-28 @ 22:28
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
GPR

小弟是念技職體系的

我的國英數真的還可以

只要你不要求我在六十分鐘內把答案寫完

而且可以翻書上網找資料的話

我成績真的可以考的還不錯

可是,其實台灣的技職體系跟本就快死了

考零分都能上大學了

誰還跟你念技術學院啊
2008-08-28 @ 22:31
迴響 from: @fei [訪問者]
迴響來自: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] ·

而且,老闆堅持不會裝拉鍊。蝙蝠俠出任務出到一半跑去上廁所

整個就遜掉了啊


對了,那套衣服,只能手洗

因為除了關節的地方是軟塑膠的以外,其他的部位都會是硬的
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黑暗騎士裝之特色總結:
1.帥
2.帥
3.黑
4.穿脫是兩回事, 因為沒有裝拉鍊
5.清洗需要手洗, 但不用衣物柔軟精
6.硬的! 除了關節的地方是軟塑膠的以外

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還有一個問題就是 通不通風 ?
不然
阿宅是很會留汗的耶
2008-08-28 @ 22:35
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
當然是包的像烏龜殼一樣不通風啊

而且背後也沒有散熱風扇或是散熱鰭片

不過為了帥

插導尿管都值得啦
2008-08-28 @ 22:38
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
我覺得如果我帥,你插導尿管就還不錯~~~

Lucifer
2008-08-28 @ 22:50
迴響 from: SL [訪問者]
to GRR

  有時候我覺得話不能這樣說,如果沒有那些人在努力,我們只會努力走高中大學的路,那這個社會是會出問題的,所以現在大學生太多,某種程度是會讓人擔憂的。雖然不得不承認,有些人希望自己有一技之長確實是看中了錢,但別把錢想得那麼邪惡嘛,畢竟信念這種東西,每個人都不相同,沒有什麼絕對,只看重錢,只要別犯法,也沒什麼不好。

  其實我是覺得,只要有願意學習的態度與信念,不管你想怎麼走,都沒關係的。至少我並不覺得這篇新聞受到李教授感動的那位學生被李教授害了,只要他態度正確,怎麼走都沒關係的。而特別強調國英數,我想他大概是認為,國英數這三科不管你是要走高職還是高中,都會有的基本,不要以為你是念高職,你國英數就會比較差(我是有認識的高職朋友,他不會想去考指考的原因在於他覺得他國英數拼不過高中生),有時候別看低自己,重點還是在於學習的態度。我是認為,從小到大在學校學習的東西,其重點在於培養你對於學習的態度而已……如果你學到這一點,我認為就終身受用了。

=======

  題外話,大家都在提黑暗騎士的時候,其實我腦中每次閃過的都不是蝙蝠俠……是假面騎士Black(http://park23.wakwak.com/~murakamiindustry/rx.jpg)呀呀呀呀(遠目)

  話說,誰能找到在美國吹玻璃到底賺多少呀?其實我還挺好奇的。
2008-08-28 @ 22:54
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
樓上沒看留言,有人貼出來了。

二十年以上經驗七萬二美金一年。

公司一般願意用六萬美金一年雇用。

Lucifer
2008-08-28 @ 22:56
迴響 from: 失憶老人 [訪問者]
抱歉講點淺見:
標點符號除了老師授課講解過之外,其實自己多看看小說也能體會出用法,進而自己練習寫點狗屁不通的故事,都能增加標點符號的學習與熟練。
我當年因為囫圇吞棗看了一堆小說,又自己胡思亂想編了幾個不成氣候的故事,結局就只是比較會使用標點符號了……囧。
作文想要寫得出來,多看書是不二法門。

喜歡寫東西的人,初始一定靠模仿,但這時期的作品是不能見人的,頂多跟幾個同學私下交流、搞搞小說同人就算了;等到走出自己的風格,有自己的創意和中心思想,要發表、要參加比賽,就可以隨心所欲了。(總覺得抄襲本身就是自己在看不起自己)
嗯…我離題好遠…囧…這應該寫在之前的九把刀事件裡…
2008-08-28 @ 23:01
迴響 from: 新宅上路 [訪問者]
朱大我來回答問題囉

1.李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?
A:不會阿,以前沒部落格時候我們看A書長大也沒啥影響,話說提到部落格的影響,這一題新宅解讀是李校長跟朱大宣戰的意思嗎

李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?
A:不對阿,依李校長標準大概全台灣只剩下1/10000的人才有資格活在現代社會吧,那其他的人算啥?原始人嗎?

李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?
A:放他的狗屁吧,我學長在日本收入銳減,晚餐只能吃黑輪湯+泡麵,這樣日子算好喔?

李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?
A:2的70次方是1180591620717411303424
耶穌比細菌還利害喔!真是神蹟阿

李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!
A:這提如果正確的話,那李校長可以去吹玻璃阿 ㄎㄎ
2008-08-28 @ 23:04
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
我才不要插導尿管

我沒辦法接受一條直徑快一公分的硬塑膠管

插進我馬眼兩公分

而且我又不是川烏龜殼的人啊

為什麼我要插導尿管= =
2008-08-28 @ 23:06
迴響 from: Gain [訪問者]
薛荷玉......這名字好熟悉,好像是跟萬人考大學那篇報導的同一位記者嘛!

實在很難想像李家同這樣一位學者說出這種話.....希望他講話能稍微思考一

下,虧我還相當相當喜歡他的「讓高牆倒下吧!」以為他也是有一顆柔軟的心那

種值得敬重的知識份子,沒想到......
2008-08-28 @ 23:08
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: GPR [訪問者]
個人針對問題五作回答,李教授用"薪水多寡"來支持她的論點是否太過武斷?姑且不論吹玻璃

工人薪水是否高到和學校校長一樣(可能真的是吹"玻璃"那種),而他推論技職體系表現優異

的原因竟是因為國、英、數很好,試問成績優異的人會去念高職嗎,他們又是因學業成績好而

有所成就? 這些學生不就因為成績不佳才想學個一技之長傍身嗎? 又假設這些人學業成績良

好,李教授就該鼓勵他們深造學業,而不是為了金錢去當什麼玻璃工人,建議李教授可以重修

一下邏輯,不要再出來害人了
======================
我從高職就開始唸陰間部了
說說我們當時的校長是怎麼說我們這些陰間部的學生好了
→你們就是短視近利愛賺錢,所以才不唸陽間部要來唸陰間部

老衲的爹娘如果願意幫我出學費的話,我幹嘛要那麼累白天打工晚上唸書?
再者,我覺得很多學生成績不佳的問題是因為他們對那個東西"沒有興趣",有興趣的東西就會唸的很開心又很好。
2008-08-28 @ 23:35
迴響 from: G [訪問者] · http://blog.pixnet.net/gilly
李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!
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美國我不熟啦~不過這點我們台灣就已經拼過美國了
琉璃工坊和琉園這兩家公司的技術總監薪水應該有和學校校長同等級
你看我們台灣是不是好厲害~好厲害啊~(搖晃)
所以李教授,您真的可以退休啦
對教育事業的操心您不用麻煩了不用麻煩了~不用麻煩不用麻煩了不用麻煩了~
2008-08-28 @ 23:36
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
啊,還是請屎旺雞大大,穿蝙蝠裝去跟果子小姐告白
2008-08-28 @ 23:58
迴響 from: 我認真了 [訪問者]
2的70次方 = 1024的7次方 = 1180591620717411303424(約11.8億兆)

2008/07為止世界人口約67億(參考維基『世界』)

因11.8億兆 >> 67億,可知 教授李家同先生指的『後代』包含去世之人

(不然推理就到此為止了,難道 教授李家同先生是這麼膚淺的人嗎?)

==========分析開始==========

目前世界人數 = 之前世界人數 + 之前出生數 - 之前死亡數

已知:

1、2008/07為止世界人口約67億

2、耶穌後代 = 約11805916207174億

3、之前世界人數 = A

4、之前出生數 = B + 11805916207174億

5、之前死亡數 = C + 去世耶穌後代

6、A + B - C大於或等於0

則:

去世耶穌後代 = A + B + 11805916207174億 - C - 67億

去世耶穌後代(min) = 11805916207174億 - 67億 = 約11805916207107億

若耶穌7歲開始生(公元元年為耶穌誕辰),則每年去世耶穌後代至少為:

11805916207107億 / 2000 = 5902958103.5535億

==========分析結束==========

討論:

若每10具屍體佔1平方米,則為:

590295810.35535億平方米 = 59029581035.535平方公里

目前地球陸地面積148939100平方公里 → 可以鋪396層

目前地球總表面積510065600平方公里 → 可以鋪116層

(參考維基『地球』)

====================

有錯請指正,謝謝!


2008-08-29 @ 02:10
迴響 from: 藍色水餃王 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/GyozaKing
迴響來自: 我認真了 [訪問者]

若每10具屍體佔1平方米,則為:

590295810.35535億平方米 = 59029581035.535平方公里

目前地球陸地面積148939100平方公里 → 可以鋪396層

目前地球總表面積510065600平方公里 → 可以鋪116層


光是耶穌的後代就夠做石油了....
2008-08-29 @ 02:23
迴響 from: 睡不著 ~ [訪問者]
Hey ~ 我認真了 ...





看了您的回答 ~


哇哇 !!!


我開始眼花撩亂 ..




哈 哈 哈 ~




2008-08-29 @ 02:31
迴響 from: 睡不著 ~ [訪問者]


因為睡不著 , 所以來當當大學生 ... 提供我這無價之寶之答案 ~ ~  ( 哈 .. ! )



1. 結 論 太 絕 對 了 , 不 能 同 意 .

2. 結 論 太 絕 對 了 , 不 能 同 意 .

3. 結 論 太 絕 對 了 , 不 能 同 意 .

4. 沒時間特別研究 , 無法作答 .  ( 最討厭這種什麼方方方的了 ... )

5. 我想如果作品夠好 ... 又知道如何成功銷售 ~ 這也不無可能呀 .. 





謝謝 ! ~




2008-08-29 @ 02:58
迴響 from: 我糟糕了 [訪問者]


====================18限推理開始====================

出生數 = 生育年齡女性數 X 平均總被**次數 X 命中率 X 胎數 X 成功率

平均總被**次數 = 出生數 / (生育年齡女性數 X 命中率 X 胎數 X 成功率)

已知:

1、出生數 = 耶穌後代 = 1180591620717411303424

2、2005年15到64歲女性世界人數 = 2066864970 (參考維基『地球』)

3、生育年齡女性數 = A

假設:

1、命中率、成功率皆100%

2、一箭雙雕

3、A = 15到64歲女性世界人數
(一般是15到45,但我找不到,將就用...XD)

則:

平均總被**次數(min) = 1180591620717411303424 / 2A = 590295810358705651712 / A

590295810358705651712 / 2066864970 = 285599600809

若耶穌7歲開始生(公元元年為耶穌誕辰),則平均每位每天被**次數至少為:

285599600809 / (365 X 2000) = 391232

====================18限推理結束====================


結論:叫獸好過份!

2008-08-29 @ 04:29
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
樓上的,這東西就證明耶穌是走在時代尖端的

你推出來的東西,連自動化生產線都做不出來吧
2008-08-29 @ 08:39
迴響 from: 松鼠 [訪問者] · http://tec730721.blogspot.com/
導尿管才不是插進2公分呢!
插那樣 一定會漏出來的!


是一路插 插到你膀胱裡
(插得你心裡發寒)
依據鄉民都有30公分來推算
要插到你膀胱裡 至少要超過30公分!!
(好深好深)

插進去就算了 更恐怖是要抽出來
那種痛大概是比貼膠布在嘴上一口氣撕下來痛100倍
然後痛在你下面....
(我也沒試過 不要問我)

根據我學弟車禍開刀的經驗
那根導尿管抽出來的時候他差點沒暈過去

(要不要一早就討論這麼痛的東西阿...)
2008-08-29 @ 08:48
迴響 from: 呼拉圈(鄉民) [訪問者]
◎◎
未來的時代是資訊的時代,能夠蒐集資料、篩選資訊並建立知識的人,才能立足。網路的知識之海雖廣,垃圾雖多,但真相往往隱藏於你看不到的地方,正如MIB第一集中,MIB的情報管道居然是書報攤的八卦小報,也是某種程度上的反應現實。
換個角度來看,君不見著名學刊的研究報告,拿廠商贊助幫廠商說話的大有人在,因此權威不一定是權威,專家也不一定專精,唯有擴大視野並培養自己的眼力才能獲勝,正所謂「旁徵博引」,「博觀而約取,厚積而薄發」,「盡信書不如無書」都是強調蒐集資料以及懷疑辯證的能力,想必李教授不會不明白。
甚且,作文能力不是看出來的,而是寫出來的,李教授不鼓勵大家多寫作多揣摩,反而一味鄙視這些還有很大進步空間的部落格,豈不可笑?


◎◎
英文好的人出國留學回來當英文老師,一個月月入5萬。英文不好的人去賣雞排,一個月月入10萬,沒有學過英文的人靠著家傳手藝(生意)月入數十萬,不知道誰比較無法在現代社會存活?
英文不好不是不能唸大學,問題在於想不想念、怎麼去念?李教授身為教育學家,如果只會「得英才而教之」挑軟柿子吃,卻不懂得「有教無類」。這樣的教育學家豈知不是導致高中畢業生只能考出7.69分的元兇?


◎◎
真像往往在令人想像不到的地方:日本這麼多比賽省錢的節目,難道是做心酸的嗎?


◎◎
2的33次方等於8,589,934,592,也就是85億。全世界人口聽說是65億啦,不過耶穌的後代其實不一定是人類啊,不是嗎?

by hulachen
2008-08-29 @ 08:54
迴響 from: Venaisha../正咩...??? [訪問者]

...........

很痛...
2008-08-29 @ 09:36
迴響 from: 土宅陶妹 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cloud0828
看完大家的回覆花了我快半小時...呼...
我也想回答耶~
1.李家同教授以他對高科技的理解......請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?
A:最好是都賴給年輕人,現在會影響國家前途的可都不是年輕人阿~

2.李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?
A:我英文不好數學也不好而且我念完大學了,現在活的很好,所以我認為不正確,話說在工地塗水泥的師傅 日薪可是好幾千,大家搶著要,沒有ㄧ個是英文好的阿~可是有錢人要蓋房子還不是要靠他們?

3.李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過......請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?
A:很久以前那個誰誰說過啦 你不是魚怎麼知道魚快樂? 他不是日本人怎麼知道日本人沒有被影響?

4.李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解.....請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?
A:我知道這個是李伯伯對達文西密碼的批評中的一段話,但是~算這很沒意義阿~達文西密碼根本是小說 小說耶 小說就跟A片一樣是假的阿,他為什麼要那麼認真的來研究這個咧?

5.李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!
A:如果他吹玻璃吹到變大師,像是琉園那種,或許會唷,在李伯伯的世界裡,好像只有高知識份子是人,他忘了有一小群叫做藝術家的,不ㄧ定會讀書,不ㄧ定有錢,但名字可以流傳更久....

完畢!呼~
2008-08-29 @ 10:02
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
也因此,日本經濟目前是"金絮其外,敗絮其中"。
>>>>>>>>>>>
筆誤。我是用剪貼本時打錯字XD
朱大部落格老少咸宜,我得要趕快修正,免的變成邪惡的分母...

明· 劉基 《 賣柑者言 》:“觀其坐高堂,騎大馬,醉醇醴而飫肥鮮者,孰不巍巍乎可畏,赫赫乎可像也?又何往而不金玉其外,敗絮其中也哉?”

"金玉其外,敗絮其中"才是正確的!

也有許多朋友會寫"金絮其外,敗絮其中",似乎已經快要約定俗成,
但其實教育部成語典是不承認"金絮其外"的喔。
也就是說如果在作文寫"金絮"老師有可能會扣分喔!需注意。

(各位小朋友..不要跟叔叔一樣,吊書袋還寫錯成語喔,很糗吶..)
2008-08-29 @ 10:27
迴響 from: baabuu-阿宅聚會照片請按右邊網址 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
迴響來自: Chieeh
迴響來自: 宅。男子
迴響來自: 電腦白痴--46歲的我果然是恐龍時代
迴響來自: 無盡‧永恆

有機會再燒給你們的~~~
2008-08-29 @ 10:38
迴響 from: baabuu-阿宅聚會照片請按右邊網址 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
迴響來自: 布卡 [訪問者]
不然,來做小丑裝好了
應該比較俗...

黑暗騎士行頭
依照200張卡片的數量
1人入股100元,就有啦!

帥喔!

-----------------------------------
請問有入股的人可以在上面寫字嗎?
我在考慮是要寫
*恒恒~站起來!
或者是
*嗟乎,大丈夫生當如此也
2008-08-29 @ 10:44
迴響 from: baabuu-阿宅聚會照片請按右邊網址 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
再回答第五題

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李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!
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我的答案是:
吹玻璃的工人可能沒有
但是吹玻璃的藝術家有可能甚至是超過.
但是他們的專業度應該是一致的
校長-專業
吹玻璃工人-專業
吹玻璃藝術家-專業
吹航空母艦......無價
2008-08-29 @ 10:51
迴響 from: 羊皮狼 [訪問者]
史上最強的吹玻璃阿宅大概就是虎克了吧,年輕時以製造設計玻璃實驗器具聞名。
http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E7%BD%97%E4%BC%AF%E7%89%B9%C2%B7%E8%83%A1%E5%85%8B&variant=zh-hant

1703年3月3日在倫敦去世,死後在他房間中發現達1萬英鎊的積蓄,相當於當時一個成功的銀行家的財產。
2008-08-29 @ 11:20
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
迴響來自: baabuu-阿宅聚會照片請按右邊網址 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/

有機會再燒給你們的~~~
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要燒啥給我?!
鬼月快過了說,我會收不到@@
2008-08-29 @ 11:21
迴響 from: baabuu-阿宅聚會照片請按右邊網址 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
迴響來自: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
baabuu老闆,請給我一份雞排,不要辣
另外還要一杯珍奶去冰
2008-08-29 @ 11:46
>齋戒的簡尼夫…
>Blades of Chaos!!!
>我的三寶:睡覺,吃飯,練武術
簡尼夫兄練的是?

另外,有人知道朱大錄影的集數何時放送嗎?
2008-08-29 @ 12:05
迴響 from: 明 [訪問者]
人行道高過住家,被批宅男設計
http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/080829/78/14zul.html

阿宅被污名化了
2008-08-29 @ 12:06
迴響 from: OCEAN [訪問者]

朱大辦餐聚賠錢耶..../\...

正咩振作點...

逗貓棒生病了..變"痘"貓棒了...保重蛤....
2008-08-29 @ 12:16
迴響 from: Venaisha../正咩...??? 之 總是得不對的人寵..囧 [訪問者]

我很振作啊...(撥頭髮)
只是左腳還卡在泥沼裡...

OK的~(拔出背上的劍,噴血!)

2008-08-29 @ 12:34
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 明 [訪問者]

阿宅被污名化了
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阿宅被污名化又不是第一次,應該要處變不驚
用堅定的口吻對那些人說:你去吃大便吧!



迴響來自: baabuu-阿宅聚會照片請按右邊網址 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/

原來是雞排跟珍奶啊。
那麻煩送去阿宅聚會文哦。
我要移去那裡看戲。
2008-08-29 @ 12:38
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
迴響來自: Venaisha../正咩...??? 之 總是得不對的人寵..囧 [訪問者]

OK的~(拔出背上的劍,噴血!)

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趕快拿逗貓棒塞住傷口,這樣就不會噴血了
2008-08-29 @ 12:40
迴響 from: Venaisha../正咩...??? 之 總是得不對的人寵..囧 [訪問者]

不會噴血..會感染吧..= =+
你想至我於屎地嗎!(指)



現在整個人很敏感...
XDDDDD
2008-08-29 @ 12:41
http://www.taiwan-panorama.com/show_issue.php?id=200699509040C.TXT&table=0&cur_page=1&distype=

按照咱們李大準教育部長教授的邏輯

地球上所有的動物包括蚊子、蒼蠅、螞蟻、小狗和蛆蛆恐怕都得姓孔了

啊!說錯了!

是孔大教授..............................
2008-08-29 @ 13:21


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::吳惠花說,現在學生書寫變少,且常只在網路、MSN上寫作,標點符號的使用愈來愈不精確。她說,閱讀不能取代寫作,很多字雖然看得懂,但寫出來就會這裡少一畫、那裡少一撇,標點符號的使用也是如此。

::許多學生只會用逗號、句號及問號這3種標點符號,但如冒號、上下引號、驚歎號、分號、頓號、破折號、刪節號等常用符號都應該學會。「標點符號不只是學生不會,許多老師也不會;加上學校月考、基測都不考,學生愈來愈不重視。」吳惠花表示。

這篇文章連逗號、句號都不會用,零分!!!!!到底是哪一個白癡學生寫的啊!!!國文程度真差!!!

蘇軾!?蘇東坡!? 你哪位啊?



2008-08-29 @ 13:39
迴響 from: 盧卡斯...........感冒加重了 = =..........這兩天要戒煙 [訪問者]
迴響來自: Venaisha../正咩...??? 之 總是得不對的人寵..囧 [訪問者]

我很振作啊...(撥頭髮)
只是左腳還卡在泥沼裡...

OK的~(拔出背上的劍,噴血!)
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有的時後總是要沉潛一下的,卡在泥沼中不一定完全是壞事
那個劍....也不一定要拔出來,搞不好也是一種保護

不過既然拔了,記得要消毒 XDDD 不然會長出奇怪的東西

2008-08-29 @ 14:25
迴響 from: SL [訪問者]
  可惡,我眼殘,找了那麼久我還是找不太到是誰有提供吹玻璃工人薪水的連結Orz……

  如果是一年六萬美金的話,乘30,就是一年180萬台幣,或許就我之前查的資料(一年168萬),李教授是記成台灣的校長也說不一定= ="
2008-08-29 @ 14:43
迴響 from: Venaisha../正咩...??? 之 總是得不對的人寵..囧 [訪問者]

長什麼奇怪的東西?= =???
2008-08-29 @ 14:49
迴響 from: 媒體經營者 蔘 [訪問者]
李教授就是一個很自我的人
以自我的意見為主
記得多年前他到我們學校演講
因為是幹部的聚會,原本就是一堆很愛說話、出風頭的人聚會
他開始講他到印度等低收入國家,看到那裏的人過的多辛苦的時候
有人發問了,問他有沒有去體會一下,或是去幫幫忙
他說沒有,他就是待在旅館理,看著窗外的可憐人民
當下就覺得,這種叫別人去當好人做好事,誰都會吧!
「吹鼓吹的,累死扛轎的」這句台灣俗諺不知道有沒有人聽過
迎親時,扛轎是最辛苦的,不過吹鼓吹的不停,扛轎的就不能休息
這時扛轎的會反抗的,畢竟一個出力一個出嘴,所以囉!
李教授第一個說法,到第四個說法,都是站在自己的觀點說的
他也不用去付任何責任
媒體也沒有監督或是查證
反正李教授就是有名氣,他就是建立起一種權威
不過,沒有人是可以什麼東西都會的,而不會就不要亂發表言論
老了又丟臉,真的有那麼多老臉可以丟嗎?
被人嗆就不爽,這就是知名學者嗎?
李教授提出一堆看法,他到底想怎樣改變這社會呢?
放放屁嗎?
另外,我要參加一文不值的聚會啦!給我名額吧!
買了芭樂,也要買十一月的大柿子。我是蔘喔!大概有上千歲了!快來抓我吧!我也要讓妳享受我的青春肉體。
2008-08-29 @ 16:43
迴響 from: Kris with a K [訪問者] · http://hankris.pixnet.net/blog
李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

臺灣缺乏的就是creativity。在部落格上可以任意發表自己的言論是一件很好的事情,如果說的不正確也會受到大眾的糾正與評論。
他如果不懂得這個道理,請他開個部落格來讓我們瞧瞧,教授的想法到底是什麼。
李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

不正確。英文不好,雖然會減少很多第一手資訊的來源,但是也有不需要英文就可以賺錢的方式啊。

Again, 一桿子打翻一船人的說法,實在是很不明智。
李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?
他真的有在日本待過,住過,領日本薪水嗎?大家都說現在經濟蕭條,可是,我那天去家樂福,明明就看見滿山滿海的人買了一堆又一堆的東西,那,我可以說臺灣的經濟蕭條沒有影響到我們的生活嗎?一定有影響,但是我們能怎麼樣?不吃?不喝?不買?
還是得過日子啊!經濟奇跡不就應該是這樣產生的嗎?

李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?
請問這個跟我們的生活有什麼關係?
李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!(補充說明:正確不正確我不知道,但這個工作需求寫的很清楚:
http://jobview.monster.com/GetJob.aspx?JobID=74075678&JobTitle=PROPRIETARY+SCHOOL+PRESIDENT%2FSCHOOL+DIRECTOR&fn=3&jto=1&sort=dt&rad=50&rad_units=miles&sid=92&brd=1&cy=US&vw=b&AVSDM=2008-07-21+14%3A48%3A00&pg=1&seq=8
每年八萬到二十萬美金薪水,還有25%-50%的績效獎金。賓州州立大學1993年度給校長的薪水是三十四萬六千美金。吹玻璃的工人薪水這麼高,一年可以賺個上千萬,美國真是個好地方呀!)
吹玻璃工人的薪水,不可能這麼高。

應該是工廠老板的薪水吧!

美國薪水高,消費也很高啊!相較之下,(我五大洲都住過)以臺灣的生活水準來說,除了臺北之外,其他的地方,我都覺得很合理。

在德國和荷蘭,都有專門訓練工程師,黑手,等等的學校。許多學生就是不想要唸太多的書,想要早一點賺錢,所有,國家提供這些學費很便宜的學校來提高人力產業。而且出來以後,都有配合的廠商接手。德國廠牌的車廠就有很多技師是從這樣的學校出身的,一個月十五萬臺幣。工程師,一個月十五到二十萬臺幣。

荷蘭的人力外輸是全世界數一數二的,我覺得臺灣應該往這個方面發展。

有許多“宅男”厲害的不得了,但是專業沒有地方可以發揮,真的很可惜。

什麼職業都一樣,只要你能做到最好,就有錢賺。錢,根本就不是重點,重點是,要如何成為“達人”,像日本那樣,連煮個拉麵,達人都可以告訴你幾秒鐘,什麼蔥會有什麼味道,還可以賺到千萬日幣,這才屌。

眼光要放長遠,不能只看現在。

離體了。

李家同教授,是位教授,我會尊重他的看法,但是這種generalization,any generalization我都無法茍同。
2008-08-29 @ 17:00
迴響 from: 路過的 [訪問者]
前暨南大學校長李家同:「我們過去監獄裡面,是很少書唸的很好的人,那我也希望這個紀錄應該保持下去,如果將來監獄裡面,很多都是名校畢業,這是一個非常值得讓我們大家感到遺憾的。」

1.監獄裡很多名校畢業的不好嗎?
至少我很樂見據說出了很多王八蛋的某名校某科系的那些王八蛋學長們進監獄XD
最好還可以在獄中開同學會
獄舍和牢房還可以分成幾年班幾年班這樣

2.亦或是家同公歧視非名校學生嗎
英文不好不該念大學
唸的大學不好活該進監獄

3.名校的定義是什麼
是排名很前面的學校如台政清交還是指很有名的學校
人家立德和稻江最近都很有名呢
台科大也是長期在PTT上有名的
他們也是名校啊
這樣說來
家同公任職校長的學校好像兩者都排不上
家同公應該要回家閉門思過
他在任校長期間竟然沒能讓學校變成名校!!

自己找加分題回答XD

2008-08-29 @ 18:10
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
就跟你說老李是徹頭徹尾的菁英納粹,她的意思就是如果監獄裡面都是其他非名校的學生,那就沒有什麼好特別遺憾的。

Lucifer
2008-08-29 @ 18:36
迴響 from: 阿宅人生 [訪問者]
A1:新文化新潮流,部落格是用新思想運動,因為用的文法不合邏輯且矛盾才可證明 混沌理論不可測性,也表示藝術獨創性.因為有多變想法國家前途當是黑暗與光明存在.有光的地方一定有影子存在.....
A2;英文是一種溝通工具,英文不好只是少了一種溝通方法,可以用肢體去表示...數學好就是高智商動物.數學好英文不好就像是阿宅一群;高智商難溝通奇特一族.因為有阿宅的工程師存在,我們才能享受不斷更新3c用品.
A3:日本經濟最蕭條時候在做什麼,減少奢侈品使用,所以有百圓便當(日圓)日本族性可以過渡. 只是日本心態容忍性比較好..台灣人就有人去發出聲音,如同明天的健行運動.
A4:從2千年到現在地球加起來總人口最多 2-3千億我用目前人平均壽命50年, 去估算出來的我的公式可能有錯誤(實際會少很多因為用目前地球人口算的),但從來沒有超出二的七十次,有人懂不懂數學,根本沒有科學家(阿宅)求證精神,一堆垃圾不可相信言語.
A5:目前用吹行業,根據馬路消息,最高單價的用吹古典樂器蕭傳統行業,吹一回NT2千元,要吹多少回才有一千萬.
2008-08-29 @ 20:21

問題一 A:我記得在民國初期胡適在提倡白話文時,應該有很多老學究的反應和現在的李校長一樣吧。因為自己的學習歷程是用文言文(書本),所以當年輕人用白話文(網路)來學習學問時,這些老一輩的學者自然會有一種不走正道的感覺。但是孔子所謂的因材施教不就是這個意思嗎?若想改變一個人或許還不需要完全改變自己的想法,但是至少,你先得讓聽的人聽得懂你的話吧,如果你說的話讓學生聽不懂的話,那才會影響到學生終身的成就以及國家的前途。

問題二 A:英文,數學好不好,念不念大學其實都不重要,要怎樣學習當一個人,才是這世上最重要的一門學問。

問題三 A:開什麼玩笑,經濟蕭條是一定會影響到人民的生活,但是日本和我們的差別是,日本的經濟蕭條會讓人民的生活水準降低,而我們的人民呢?則是會完全沒有生活水準。

問題四 A:我的數學不好(呼應我第二題的答案),二的七十次方對我來說不止是天文數字,其實根本就是天方夜譚。我只知道一件事,就算是耶穌的後代人再多,長得再像他,但是他們終究不是耶穌。

問題五 A:我一直記得一位長者跟我說過一句話,剛出社會靠學歷,出社會後靠經歷,但是最重要是,你有沒有實力。這句話我一直謹記在心,不過一直到了現在,我還是覺得我沒有什麼實力........
2008-08-29 @ 20:35
迴響 from: Tony [訪問者]
請問這集何時會播出?
2008-08-29 @ 20:45
迴響 from: 史萬卡 [訪問者]
為什麼大家都一直在討論那個惹人嫌的自大狂糟老頭?你們沒有注意到值日生嗎?

Adriana Lima 真是正啊!
2008-08-29 @ 20:56
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
播出時間要問我助理。

Lucifer
2008-08-29 @ 21:21
迴響 from: 左光紫 [訪問者]
李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

最近讀艾希莫夫的小說,知道原來他創作最多的是科普文章,所以就找了來看,他在裡面敘述到:
在他生活的那個年代,就算達爾文進化論是多麼盛行了,上帝的創造論一樣被一些自詡為科學家的人認為是真理,甚至差點被認可為教育的基本教材。
地球本身是實心的事實發現早於艾希莫夫的年代,但就算如此,在艾希莫夫那個年代,仍然有人認為地球是空心的而且有很多人都相信。
( 當然艾希莫夫不爽的不只這兩件,只是舉我還記得的例子。XD )
所以,這種現象不管是以前或者是現在,總是會有這樣的現象。就算是被認為專業的媒體,假新聞的消息以前會有,現在還是有,相信未來也仍然有。
但至少我們這個年代,就算你在現實生活中不是名人,透過網路,你仍然可以有一塊屬於你的發言空間。
也因為是我們這個年代,危機百科...Orz...維基百科、google的電子圖書館,甚至是朱大的oops計畫,都在這個時代變成了可能,錯誤的資訊以前有、現在有,以後仍然都會有,重點是檢索資訊該有的概念跟方式。而且更正確的說,現實生活中的公開資訊,若在網路上都是可見的,知識的正確性反而更容易被提高。就如維基百科所證明的。
所以說,[若整個社會都如此]的假設句是不可能會成立的,自然後面的推導也就不重要了。

李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

我想這個時代多的是就算英文不好,數學不好,仍然在這個現代社會發光發熱。
( 當然會發光發熱就是存活嚕,不過只用存活也太小看人了吧!Orz... )
部分人士也都擁有大學學歷。
所以我連想要辨析的動力都沒有了。Orz...XD

李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

這個問題,根據我看一堆日本漫畫的經驗。日本漫畫裡時常描寫到:替家庭賺錢的父親角色,雖然已經被裁員了,但因為種種的原因,在早晨,一樣會打起領帶,拿起公事包,跟妻子說自己要去上班了,然後就這樣西裝筆挺的到某個能混過一天時間的地方消磨時間。
而給妻子每月的金錢,就從資遣費用或積蓄中消耗,有某些人,當這些錢也都花光時,就走上了自殺一途。
我想,既然這是日本當代文化作品都會有的背景情結,那自然是日本因經濟蕭條而產生的實際現象。
那為何說[你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活],依個人推論,因為你看到的部分打扮正式的人士,他們仍然都是失業者。
例子:史上最強徒弟-兼一,他老爸似乎真是這個狀況。不過這部漫畫好像從來沒真正承認過。XD

李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

我想這個數字,應該是以一對夫妻生出兩個小孩來做推論的,首先,若耶穌有後代,那至少是一個後代,而不是2^70個。若每代只存活一個小孩( 會用存活一詞,因距離我們這個年代一個世紀多以前,還是個出生率大,但死亡率也很大的時代,那時大部分的疾病都還不是人力所能抵抗的。 ),當然最後也只有一個後代,這才是至少。XD
另外,若假設耶穌有生小孩,且每一代有兩個後代,耶穌最後的後代真有這麼多人嗎?
當然,朱大已經為我們提供一個很直接的答案:目前的人數也沒那麼多。跟人類的繁衍是交織的狀況。
但我仍在這邊野人獻曝的提供一個推想:( 我不懂人類學,只是依所知的東西做推論。 )
首先,若每代只生兩個小孩的話,其實只會維持目前的人口數。因為父母會死,而年輕的一輩只是填補他們的空間。
李教授本身做的假設,其實根本與當初的現實不符。因為在當初死亡率大的時代,每代小孩的誕生通常都會超過兩個,這也是導致女性會被歸類成女主內的主因。
既然不符合了,我在多做個假設應該也無妨,我做的假設是:假設從耶穌到現在,每對父母所生養存活並且能再孕育下一代的小孩人數皆是兩個。
( 這個假設會產生的狀況是:人口實際上限數以長期而言不會真的上升,只要人仍是會死的前提。 )
那綜合這兩個假設之後,我們可以發現的答案是:就算耶穌所產生的後代,被上帝之手不斷推動,都是找未具有耶穌基因的人類結婚生子,最後所達到的狀況,也只會等於以長期而言不變的人口數。就算捨去第二個假設,也只會等於目前的世界人口數。
所以簡單的說,這個計算方法根本不符合人類繁衍的現實情況,所以是錯誤的數學應用。
那如果其他人類的繁殖量能讓這個計算方法得以有效呢?嗯,簡單說,人類每代至少也得以倍數方式增長才行,所以每代應該就是要有四個後代才能讓耶穌的基因能以2的次方不斷繁衍而不會達到世界人口最大數。
但若真是如此,只要科技大量製造人類所需的的技術沒法跟上人類如此的繁衍速度,就算全世界都是上帝的子子孫孫,天佑地球也是沒用的啦!XD
( 總而言之,我真是太無聊了。Orz...XD )

李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!(補充說明:正確不正確我不知道,但這個工作需求寫的很清楚:
http://jobview.monster.com/GetJob.aspx?JobID=74075678&JobTitle=PROPRIETARY+SCHOOL+PRESIDENT%2FSCHOOL+DIRECTOR&fn=3&jto=1&sort=dt&rad=50&rad_units=miles&sid=92&brd=1&cy=US&vw=b&AVSDM=2008-07-21+14%3A48%3A00&pg=1&seq=8
每年八萬到二十萬美金薪水,還有25%-50%的績效獎金。賓州州立大學1993年度給校長的薪水是三十四萬六千美金。吹玻璃的工人薪水這麼高,一年可以賺個上千萬,美國真是個好地方呀!)

當然這題的解答已經很明確了,以其他位超厲害的大大們與朱大所檢索到的答案,當然是不正確嚕!XD
2008-08-29 @ 21:32
迴響 from: 簡尼夫。德萊尼 [訪問者] · http://www.gamebase.com.tw/mybase/kenneth1991/
上面的很長   = =!!!



齋戒的簡尼夫…
Blades of Chaos!!!
我的三寶:睡覺,吃飯,練武術
2008-08-29 @ 21:55
迴響 from: 中文菜鳥講師 [訪問者]
關於作文能力這件事,也來談一談。

目前從國小、國中到高中職的國語文課本,在應用文的課程規劃中,都有「標點符號」的教學。但,在實際接觸學生的作品後,的確可以發現許多學生對於「標點符號」的使用,不太善長。

究其原因,我認為是練習不足。

閱讀與書寫,的確是相輔相成。但,文字語言的學習,是在「使用」中,不斷精熟。唯有在練習、實作中,才能發見自己不足的部分,進而尋求解決的方法。而我們的語文教育,就目前我的所見,仍然是「填鴨」大於「實作」。

語文能力包括「聽、說、讀、寫」,「聽與說」在語言文化氛圍潛移默化中學習,而「讀與寫」的能力,則需要特意加強練習來培養。而書寫的能力培養,相對於閱讀,在體制內教學的過程,更加沒有受到足夠的重視。在目標取向的升學主義領導的教學,作文教學往往被忽視,如果想要加強,就得向坊間的「才藝班」取經。弱勢學生,在此現象中,只會更加弱勢。

目前,作文只被當成是國語文教學的一環,教師們除了原本就挺吃重的授課計劃外,還要批改學生大量的作文--按各級學校、各校要求不同。但若以一位教師一學期帶4個班,一班35位學生,一位學生一學期寫6篇作文來看,一位教師一學期要批改840篇作文。如果這位老師在中學任職,很有可能要兼導師,一學期以15週來算,還要加上525篇週記--別忘了帶四個班大約一星期還有20堂課,在這麼龐大的工作量下,要兼顧作文教學的品質(學生有機會多寫,教師也能細節給予回饋與建議),往往讓有志的教師力不從心呀。批改作文真的是地獄呀!

同時,作文教學也是一種專業,不可諱言,有許多國語文教師對於作文的教學也有很深的無助感,因為在他們的專業訓練中,這一塊原本就不足。而作文是一種表達自我的方式,表達需要學習與練習。重視作文教育,等於重視表達能力的培養,同時也是重視學習的主體。現行的體制對於這個部份的長期忽視,實在讓人感嘆。

不知道其他各國對於語文教育書寫的部分,如何規劃?我強烈建議,作文應從國語學教學中獨立出來,成為一門專課,同時由專門的老師來教導。

再回到「標點符號」的使用。中文的書寫一直到清末以前,並沒有「標點符號」。「中式標點符號」的誕生,是在清末中西文化交流的激盪中,向外國人學習的。這個討論區有相關說明:

http://www.literature.idv.tw/bbs/read.php?tid=6539&uid=5097

所以,「標點符號」是為了幫助我們快速理解文章,並減少誤讀的情況而產生的。這邊有幾個「標點符號」教學的例子,挺有趣的:

http://163.26.9.12/noise/hcjh-ca/1-b.htm

寫文章時,適當的使用標點符號,不但能讓文章更通順,同時也能顯示出個人特殊的思路與風格。學作文就像張無忌學太極拳--先把每一招每一式練習得爛熟,然後,在實際對打時,再忘記這些招式。寫文章也是一樣:要先扎實地把每個字詞的意義、標點符號的使用,都弄得一清二楚,在實際寫作時,讓文字和標點符號都為你所用。創意,經常都是在扎實的基礎上展現呢。相信打下良好的作文基礎後,Msn上再加上表情符號,就可以打遍天下無敵手了!

(沒錯!我是來利用朱先生這裡的高流量的……)

2008-08-29 @ 22:09
迴響 from: swanky [訪問者] · http://swanbear.blogspot.com/

迴響來自: allmineral [訪問者]
我不想抽什麼VIP

我只想看屎望激大人告白

然後被打入地獄
全文連結 2008-08-28 @ 13:00

這個地方實在是太恐怖了... 囧
2008-08-29 @ 22:27
迴響 from: ZZZ Dino [訪問者]
不知中文菜鳥老師擅長"破題"嗎?我剛洗完耳朵^^
2008-08-29 @ 22:28
迴響 from: 中文菜鳥講師 [訪問者]
To:Black Sabbath-結晶體

用「愛情偶像劇」來形容《西廂記》,實在很傳神呢!


不過有些部份還要商榷:

元稹〈會真記〉是傳奇小說(文言文小說),不是詩作哦。

而《水滸傳》、《西廂記》雖然一般不被正統文學重視,是否就等於庶民文化,可能還要保留。相對來說「三言」、「二拍」反而比較接近庶民生活。



另外,關於「維基百科不被學術界所承認」,提供一個在中文學科範圍的角度。因為學術研究,要求嚴謹,引用文獻時,以第一手資料為佳。百科全書的編列,已經過資料的整理,目的是提供讀者快速建立該條目的基本概念。因此,研究者可以藉由該條目所列的資料,追索到最原始的出處,而引用時必以原始出處為優先。引用二手資料,在學術訓練中,仍然會被當成研究態度不夠嚴謹的標誌。跨學科後的環境不同,是否仍然有相同的狀況,我就不清楚啦。

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迴響來自: ZZZ Dino [訪問者]
不知中文菜鳥老師擅長"破題"嗎?我剛洗完耳朵^^

訊息量太少,不知如何回答哩。而且「剛洗完耳朵」就是很有創意的表達咧!


2008-08-29 @ 22:39
迴響 from: ZZZ Dino [訪問者]
Swanky 兄:
Pleo Please 前幾天看完"情慾克林姆",不知你看了沒?

2008-08-29 @ 22:41
迴響 from: 舉手發問 [訪問者]
那個貓咪的表情符號,要到哪裡抓。。。。。Orz

2008-08-29 @ 22:42
迴響 from: swanky [訪問者] · http://swanbear.blogspot.com/

迴響來自: ZZZ Dino [訪問者]
Swanky 兄:
Pleo Please 前幾天看完"情慾克林姆",不知你看了沒?

沒有耶 那部片我查了一下劇情大綱...
應該跟我沒有關係吧? @@"

還有誰是Pleo Please? @@"
2008-08-29 @ 22:58
迴響 from: ZZZ Dino [訪問者]
請中文菜鳥老師-


給幾個破題方式和好的例子.謝謝
破題是寫作文比較難的一點吧?!
2008-08-29 @ 23:09
迴響 from: ZZZ Dino [訪問者]
Swanky 兄
請看DVD 才準啦!

Pleo Please 是我在阿飄月養的東東,牠今天看到叫襪子的那隻狗狗預告片了!
所以,想知道愛模特兒的十大原則,以供學習.
2008-08-29 @ 23:28
迴響 from: Isabella [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/a8521306

這樣看下來...

真的很想搓瞎自己的眼睛...= ="

有點被這裡的人給迷住了(囧)

>>baabuu~
雞排借我咬一口!
2008-08-29 @ 23:54
迴響 from: 甜蜜倒數281-阿堯 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/yaolovel
這邊有沒有數學高手想當家教阿

我想要一名



2008-08-30 @ 00:36
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: 甜蜜倒數281-阿堯 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/yaolovel
這邊有沒有數學高手想當家教阿

我想要一名
======================
我!(舉手喊右)

本人創下高職四年(當時陰間部要唸四年),八個學期的數學都被死當!
可是老師都說我是個認真又乖乖寫作業的好孩子,選我就對了XD!
2008-08-30 @ 01:19
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
大家晚上好,
大家的討論都很認真吶~
難突破了是也~

(又要搬家的vita)

2008-08-30 @ 01:21
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 中文菜鳥講師 [訪問者]

用「愛情偶像劇」來形容《西廂記》,實在很傳神呢!
不過有些部份還要商榷:
元稹〈會真記〉是傳奇小說(文言文小說),不是詩作哦。
而《水滸傳》、《西廂記》雖然一般不被正統文學重視,是否就等於庶民文化,可能還要保留。相對來說「三言」、「二拍」反而比較接近庶民生活。
另外,關於「維基百科不被學術界所承認」,提供一個在中文學科範圍的角度。因為學術研究,要求嚴謹,引用文獻時,以第一手資料為佳。百科全書的編列,已經過資料的整理,目的是提供讀者快速建立該條目的基本概念。因此,研究者可以藉由該條目所列的資料,追索到最原始的出處,而引用時必以原始出處為優先。引用二手資料,在學術訓練中,仍然會被當成研究態度不夠嚴謹的標誌。跨學科後的環境不同,是否仍然有相同的狀況,我就不清楚啦。
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

首先我要感激您的指教。

其實您應該看的出,末學在文中盡量減少的牽扯典故,
不然怎麼會如此通俗的比較作"愛情偶像劇"?

我當然也知道傳奇"鶯鶯傳",因為收錄"會真詩"三十韻,
因此又名"會真記",並收錄於太平廣記-肆捌捌-雜傳記類中。
元氏又有續會真詩三十韻,亳州李紳有鶯鶯歌,
宋趙德麟以之譜商調蝶戀花十首,秦觀、毛滂均有調笑詠鶯鶯事;
金章宗時有董解元者,演之為諸宮調西廂記,成為現存諸宮調作品之最完整者。

但問現今非中文系讀者,有多少之比例還記得其典故?有多少人還知道太平廣記是什麼東西?
又有多少宅男知道清代還分成"續西廂雜劇""後西廂""竟西廂""真西廂""正西廂"等五本?
我這篇文章不是寫給本科看的,如此吊書袋,是否會模糊焦點?

當時會打詩作,只是因為文中精要之"會真詩";並沒有要探討其文體..
因為我寫的回文,不是專題討論六大奇書"西廂記",對嗎?
要讓大家閱讀不才的拙劣文,心神領會比較重要吧。



又,您說西廂記是否等於庶民文化?
不才可沒說"絕對代表"庶民哪。
>>兩作在當時皆被認為是庶民文化,也被稱作不入流之著作>>
西廂記宋朝以來被廣泛閱讀,正因其情節生動,因此甚得蘇軾喜愛。
於街坊亦大為流傳,更讓平民文人所讚賞,並且衍生出許多其他作品的靈感以及方向。

難道稱不上影響庶民文化之一?

但在學者眼中,西廂記與紅樓夢卻毀譽兩極;
相較於支持者的讚賞,封建衛道者認為是淫書,難登大雅之堂!

如此,有相當長的一段時間,"西廂記"在官方眼中算是不入流的著作。


第三,您認為學術研究最好使用第一手資料,
但是"百科"編纂的定義,皆為第二手資料之集合。

學術範圍是承認百科全書的。

其中大英百科全書是可以引用的,
其他巨著如:英學者Robert Collison"百科全書全史"在學術界亦有相當重要的地位。


以上回答

2008-08-30 @ 02:24
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
另外,大英百科全書有線上版。

也因此我強調維基百科被各學術界規定不能引用,原因在此。
2008-08-30 @ 02:28
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 甜蜜倒數281-阿堯 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/yaolovel
這邊有沒有數學高手想當家教阿

我想要一名

>>>>>>>>

小弟我聯考數學34分...悔不當初
2008-08-30 @ 02:31
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
我覺得作文這種東西,
必須是對要寫的題目有感觸才能寫出有靈魂的文章,
我之前有幾次參加高普考試之類的經驗,
必有考國文,也必有考作文,
隔天就會有補習班發考試解答,
也有作文的擬答,
我看那些補習班擬答的作文,
我感覺他們寫的作文,
語氣很中肯、
成語也用的很多,或者引經據典,
但是,我覺得有種「喊口號、說教」的感覺,
(是因為國家考試的作文題目,都會使人不得不流於喊口號???)
就是很理所當然要如此如此,
他們的文章的確很中規中矩,
但我覺得它沒有靈魂沒有味道~


我想,要寫一篇好文章,
人生的歷鍊、感觸是一個主要的關鍵,
(老生常談:人情練達即文章,)
對作文題目也要有感覺
寫出來的文章也許才會深刻,而不是只在上面浮~~~

(說到說教喊口號,講個題外話,我記得很前一陣子,不知什麼考試放榜,
媒體報導一些考生的作文內容,
有一個寫到:看到小鳥很努力破殼而出,覺得很感動很美,懶人看到這一幕應覺慚愧---
(確實文字不記得,但記得大約是如此)
他好像拿到滿分十分,
只是我那時想這跟懶不懶有啥關係,如果一個快溺死的人拼命掙扎,該說他勤勞嗎?
另一篇寫到:和朋友一起玩電玩破關,是最美的時候---
(確實文字不記得,但記得大約是如此)
他好像是拿七分,
我想也許有其它因素在,但我感覺,往往這種考試,好像迎合傳統價值觀念、正面思考來寫比較不會吃虧,
不知道,總之,真實情感不見得合適在作文出現)

(明天將搬家的vita)
2008-08-30 @ 02:53
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
>>參考文獻用以佐證,或者不加附註,作為基礎理論之引述或補述。

長篇論文或報告 :
長篇的期刊論文、學位論文或研究報告通常須依選定之主題(Topic),運用相當多的資訊,提出完整而深入的分析和討論。故您除了須詳加描述該主題的背景資訊外,更須將和該主題相關之概念(Ideas)或議題(Issues),及目前發展現況等,融入文章中。

學術研究性圖書 Scholarly Books
學術由各學科領域專家編著,可提供特定主題較全面的、較完整的概觀(Overview),及較深入的資訊。該些圖書並多整合該主題相關之資訊來源或參考書目,可供蒐集更多和該主題相關之資訊。
【蒐尋圖書 Finding Books】。

百科全書和其他參考資源
百科全書 Encyclopedia
綜合性或專業性百科全書中各主題之文章,多係聘請學科專家撰寫,可提供各主題之背景資料(包括該主題之定義(Definition)、概觀 (Overview)、發展沿革(History)和未來趨勢(Tendency)等),甚至和該主題相關之其他議題。有些百科全書的文章最後並提供閱讀書目(Further Readings),可供進一步研讀或瞭解更多或更深入的相關議題。

__________
節錄,恕刪。
因為我不是認真魔人,點到為止。
2008-08-30 @ 03:12
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
堯兄
您不是已經上高三了嗎@@
現在找家教其實有點晚了
接手的壓力會很大阿XD
2008-08-30 @ 08:14
迴響 from: 中文菜鳥講師 [訪問者]
迴響來自: ZZZ Dino [訪問者]
請中文菜鳥老師-

給幾個破題方式和好的例子.謝謝
破題是寫作文比較難的一點吧?!

顯然我的破題一整個不善長呀!建議拜拜古狗大神,或閱讀一些專門的書籍,參考出適合自己操作的方式吧。

關鍵字:作文 破題法
http://www.google.com.tw/search?q=%E4%BD%9C%E6%96%87+++%E7%A0%B4%E9%A1%8C%E6%B3%95&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_zh-TWTW244TW244


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迴響來自: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
其實您應該看的出,末學在文中盡量減少的牽扯典故,
不然怎麼會如此通俗的比較作"愛情偶像劇"?

所以用「愛情偶像劇」來形容《西廂記》,我覺得很讚呀!下次上課也可以用……



但問現今非中文系讀者,有多少之比例還記得其典故?有多少人還知道太平廣記是什麼東西?
又有多少宅男知道清代還分成"續西廂雜劇""後西廂""竟西廂""真西廂""正西廂"等五本?
我這篇文章不是寫給本科看的,如此吊書袋,是否會模糊焦點?

當時會打詩作,只是因為文中精要之"會真詩";並沒有要探討其文體..

正因為非中文系的讀者,對許多背景資料不是很了解,所以,傳達的時候,建議還是以「精確」為原則。

因為第一印象(鶵鳥印記)影響很大,所以,一開始就說明是「小說」,比較不會誤導讀者。畢竟「詩作」和「小說」,真的不一樣呀。



因為我寫的回文,不是專題討論六大奇書"西廂記",對嗎?
要讓大家閱讀不才的拙劣文,心神領會比較重要吧。

雖然不是專題討論,但讓資訊精準,也是我們可以努力的方向哦。「心神領會」是最高境界呀!有時候會有訊息傳達的誤差哩。

另,《西廂記》是「六大才子書」哦。

中國四大小說:
《西遊記》、《水滸傳》、《三國演義》、《紅樓夢》

清李漁--中國四大奇書:
《金瓶梅》、《西遊記》、《水滸傳》、《三國演義》

清金聖嘆--六才子書:
《莊子》、《離騷》、《史記》、「杜詩」、《西廂記》、《水滸傳》

維基百科也有整理:
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%AD%E6%89%8D%E5%AD%90%E6%9B%B8

這裡就有一本書,明顯弄錯了!讀這本書的人,大約就有可能被誤導:
http://findbook.tw/book/9789577132390/basic

金聖嘆的年代,《紅樓夢》還沒誕生呢。


又,您說西廂記是否等於庶民文化?
不才可沒說"絕對代表"庶民哪。
>>兩作在當時皆被認為是庶民文化,也被稱作不入流之著作>>

在這裡,我們對於庶民文化的定義,可能不太一樣。

美國漢學家浦安迪曾針對古典章回小說名著,提出「文人小說」與「奇書文體」的觀點。《金瓶梅》、《西游記》、《水滸傳》、《三國演義》、《紅樓夢》這些名著,雖然有些集體創作的過程(如《水滸傳》、《三國演義》、《西游記》的故事,長期以各種講故事的形式,在民間流傳),但其成書,卻是經由文人之手,在縝密的構思與寄寓中完成,成品已經是藝術的結晶。(參見浦安迪《中國敘事學》,北京大學出版社,1996)

文人所建構的世界,多寓於理想性,所追求的藝術境界,常以嚴密的結構呈現。而庶民文化經常是生機盎然,富活潑潑旺盛的生命力,相較於文人的理想性格,反而較貼近現實。許多文體的發展僵化後,經常要向民間取經,以刺激其生命力。

如果以此觀點來看網路部落格逢勃的現況,我認為這是好現象呢。



西廂記宋朝以來被廣泛閱讀,正因其情節生動,因此甚得蘇軾喜愛。

那個《西廂記》是元王實甫的戲曲,北宋的蘇軾應該無緣得見哦。



第三,您認為學術研究最好使用第一手資料,
但是"百科"編纂的定義,皆為第二手資料之集合。

學術範圍是承認百科全書的。

其中大英百科全書是可以引用的,
其他巨著如:英學者Robert Collison"百科全書全史"在學術界亦有相當重要的地位。

在我們統稱的「學術界」中,其實還是存在許多跨學科不同的環境。我所提供的是在中文研究領域的狀況,也許不同領域的要求並不相同,也可以請該領域的大大說一說呀!


(那個,沒辦法,我是認真魔人……Orz)
2008-08-30 @ 11:21
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
另,《西廂記》是「六大才子書」哦。
>>>>>>>>>>

這個也要說嘴

老大,用奶頭想也知道我是筆誤,哪有之前寫隊後來寫錯的?
我發完文兩秒就發現了。
既然知道筆誤,討論這個,
意義何在?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
西廂記宋朝以來被廣泛閱讀,正因其情節生動,因此甚得蘇軾喜愛。
那個《西廂記》是元王實甫的戲曲,北宋的蘇軾應該無緣得見哦。
>>>>>>>>>>>>>


"諸宮調西廂記"老實講據考究,其實濫觴比金章宗還要早,
宋代"鶯鶯傳"就已經有某幾本被掰成快樂大結局啦。
請你自己去考究,我不想幫你找了




魔人您饒了我吧,目前討論這意義實在讓人徬徨!
尷尬尷尬尷尬尷尬尷尬...
2008-08-30 @ 12:06
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
認真魔人,恕不回文...
2008-08-30 @ 12:08
迴響 from: 拍拍手購物台 [訪問者]

結兄~~有飽讀詩書喔…..拍拍手!!
2008-08-30 @ 12:25
迴響 from: 亂入一下 [訪問者]
不管是「奇書」還是「才子書」,追究這個意義不大吧。
重點是知道是哪幾本,以及它們對文人或是平民的影響程度,應該就夠了。畢竟閱讀這個部落格的中文人不算多吧。
唐代就出現的東西,宋代當然也看的到,只是名稱不同、內容稍有變動罷了,這好比msn跟即時通,基本上不就是一樣的東西嗎?
老師當然應該在做學問的態度和教學課堂上嚴謹,只是有時總讓人感覺過於要求細節而失去大意義。

抱歉,這是你們兩人的討論,路人甲乙丙丁不該多嘴的…
Orz (跪拜)

2008-08-30 @ 12:30
迴響 from: 中文菜鳥講師 [訪問者]
就說「心神領會」是無上境界呀!果然訊息傳達的過程,出現誤差啦。

我只是要說明,當您想要傳達某些理念時,如果連資料的掌握都不精確,您所傳達的訊息之可信度,就被打折扣了。這無論在任何的傳訊平臺,都是一樣的。

整體意義,往往是由無數細節建構起來的呢。

否則,為什麼關於耶穌後代的人數,會變成一個議題被討論呢?

另,只是剛好看到有好玩的點可以談一談,沒有特意要針對誰。

2008-08-30 @ 13:25
迴響 from: ZZZ Dino [訪問者]
李漁:破題當以奇句奪目,使人一看為之驚異不已,終篇當以婉言攝魄,使人執卷流連,不忍拋離,捲卷瞑目,猶覺


聲音在耳,情景在目者,斯為上乘之作.



中文菜鳥老師如此認真,我豈能不認真?以下試寫

*李家同的一切言論,早就列入我的18禁.......

2008-08-30 @ 16:17
迴響 from: Chieh [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
其實,耶穌到底有幾個後代

我完全不想知道= =+
(至少我確定自己有荷蘭人、日本人、泉州人、漳州人、排灣族血統
 身為遷台第十三代,會有這種五胡亂華的血統看來是在所難免XD)

只是

我比較喜歡文學是存欣賞成分居多

有誰會去計較勒茍拉斯先生,要拉動長弓就應該是肌肉男?
(如果這樣說,就不會是奧蘭多布魯來演,可能是阿諾擔綱演出)

或是

我比較喜歡輕鬆談典故

而不是在那邊鑽研微末支節

也許學有專精也不錯

但不是拿來飯後嗑牙︿︿
2008-08-30 @ 16:24
迴響 from: 亞月 [訪問者]
今天餐會後才開始來這兒
真是感嘆以前寡聞而不知此處 Orz
但話說現在的作文能力實在是..
糟糕阿糟糕
連我頂多只會用問號驚嘆加分號吧 XD
2008-08-30 @ 17:54
迴響 from: 傑西 [訪問者]
朱大
我今天有看到你有上新聞耶
在TVBS上面,
聽到你的聲音,
真是MAN阿
2008-08-30 @ 19:05
迴響 from: 傑西 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/moneychia
朱大
我今天有看到你有上新聞耶
在TVBS上面,
聽到你的聲音,
真是MAN阿
2008-08-30 @ 19:07
迴響 from: 簡尼夫。德萊尼 [訪問者] · http://www.gamebase.com.tw/mybase/kenneth1991/

迴響來自: Chieh [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
其實,耶穌到底有幾個後代

我完全不想知道= =+
(至少我確定自己有荷蘭人、日本人、泉州人、漳州人、排灣族血統
 身為遷台第十三代,會有這種五胡亂華的血統看來是在所難免XD)

只是

我比較喜歡文學是存欣賞成分居多

有誰會去計較勒茍拉斯先生,要拉動長弓就應該是肌肉男?
(如果這樣說,就不會是奧蘭多布魯來演,可能是阿諾擔綱演出)

或是

我比較喜歡輕鬆談典故

而不是在那邊鑽研微末支節

也許學有專精也不錯

但不是拿來飯後嗑牙︿︿
全文連結 2008-08-30 @ 16:24
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你有5個種族的血統   = =



齋戒的簡尼夫…
Blades of Chaos!!!
我的三寶:睡覺,吃飯,練武術
2008-08-30 @ 22:01
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
我覺得

泉州人跟漳州人是同一種族的吧...

雖然他們常常台灣械鬥...
2008-08-30 @ 23:05
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
我也有日本+漳州+泉州+山東
我有個朋友很台,就跟憤怒蔡先生差不多吧,
他外公居然是新疆人。

2008-08-31 @ 02:27
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
迴響來自: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
我覺得
泉州人跟漳州人是同一種族的吧...
雖然他們常常台灣械鬥...

就我阿公的說法是,要嘛就別分,要嘛就分徹底ㄧ點

好吧,其實我是韓國人
(反正什麼都是他們的就對了)
2008-08-31 @ 07:39
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
迴響來自: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者]

就我阿公的說法是,要嘛就別分,要嘛就分徹底ㄧ點

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你確定你阿公是說這個不是說家產嗎
(快閃)
2008-08-31 @ 07:50
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
咱家家產是沒有

負債倒是一堆

拉拉兄,您有興趣分一點嗎XD
2008-08-31 @ 09:37
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
那個...

你的好意我心領了
我喜歡的是女生(茶)
2008-08-31 @ 10:38
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
大家中午好!
今天好像是假日~~

(有了新家的vita)
2008-08-31 @ 13:24
迴響 from: 甜蜜倒數279-阿堯 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/yaolovel
看來是沒有家教了 ..

還好吧

距離明年7/1.7/2還有三百天

複習高中範圍的數學不會很困難阿...



2008-08-31 @ 19:32
迴響 from: baabuu-阿宅聚會照片請按右邊網址 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
回答第一題
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李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?
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我的答案是不會,他的意見還不至於有那麼大的影響力,不過他提到的這些事情的確會影響到國家前途,是好是壞還得看眾鄉民的努力,現在所做的事情,都會在未來留下痕跡......

我認識的一個樂團指揮老師,常常會提到華爾滋(Waltz),在華爾滋剛開始出現的時候,是被認為是庸俗的,是低下階級的人在聽的音樂,是糜糜之音,是蠱惑人心的音樂,在當時可謂不入流的音樂,不被正統音樂家/音樂團體所接受,但是隨時間/文化/人文/環境等變化,華爾滋逐漸被音樂界及大眾所接受,到現在每年新年,維也納人如果沒有聽到華爾滋,就像
過年除夕不放鞭炮
大年初一不領紅包
元宵節不提燈籠
端午節不包粽子
中秋節不烤肉
包子裡面沒有八月十五殺胖宅的紙條
一樣的令人感到不酥湖


回答第二題
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李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?
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我的答案是不正確,0分大學不念白不念....
英文不是全部,難道說英語系國家的學生就都可以存活在現代社會嗎?

回答第三題
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李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?
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我的答案是不正確,若經濟蕭條不會影響到人民的生活,那是影響到啥?沒影響的話幹麻管它經濟蕭不蕭條呢?日子還不是一樣的過?,其實他是在暗中批評日本人喜歡打腫臉充胖子,摩擦充血裝大隻

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第四五題答案請參閱上方迴響內容
2008-09-01 @ 01:57
迴響 from: evoallen [訪問者]
唸書不是為了要賺錢更不是為了要成名吧?書唸的多的人~往往忘記謙卑兩個字....
言行不端~讀書無益...
2008-09-01 @ 02:27
迴響 from: evoallen [訪問者]
唸書不是為了要賺錢更不是為了要成名吧?書唸的多的人~往往忘記謙卑兩個字....
言行不端~讀書無益...
2008-09-01 @ 02:28
迴響 from: 小紅帽 [訪問者]
Q1:李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章,有不少不合邏輯且矛盾,也沒有經過修飾、篩選與修改,反而受到年輕人的喜愛,非常糟糕。若整個社會如此,不及時加以糾正,長期下來,必然會影響學生終身的成就,更會影響國家的前途。」請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?

A1:否,影響國家前途的是貪污。

Q2:李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

A2:否,正確的話所有數理系都可以關了。

Q3:李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,但是不會因為經濟不景氣而發生民不聊生現象;日本有過經濟蕭條,既使在這些日子裡,你去日本也不會感覺到這種經濟蕭條影響了人民的生活。」請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

A3:不正確,因為蝴蝶效應。

Q4:李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

A4:否,全球約60多億人口,不是天文數字。

Q5:李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!(補充說明:正確不正確我不知道,但這個工作需求寫的很清楚:每年八萬到二十萬美金薪水,還有25%-50%的績效獎金。賓州州立大學1993年度給校長的薪水是三十四萬六千美金。吹玻璃的工人薪水這麼高,一年可以賺個上千萬,美國真是個好地方呀!)

A5:正不正確我也不知道,但每年八萬到二十萬美金跟三十四萬六千美金很明顯不一樣。
2008-09-01 @ 02:35
迴響 from: 鼎:一切有為法如夢幻泡影如露亦如電應作如是觀 [訪問者]
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2008-09-01 @ 10:38
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
剛剛去找出處
唐· 田穎 《 遊雁蕩山記 》
"將午,始到古寺,老僧清高延坐禪房,與之辯論心性切實之學,彼已心領神會。"

"心領神會"是正確的。
"心神領會"是前人誤用俗成吧。
我這邊有本國語字典,兩句都有收錄..

P.S.我先解答,免的被老師看到又靠杯一堆

2008-09-01 @ 19:37
迴響 from: 小強 [訪問者] · http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/dirb20/
1.李家同教授以他對高科技的理解......請問李家同教授對於年輕人的這個看法是否會影響到國家的前途?
A:身為一個年輕人,如果不是朱阿宅在部落格提到李家同叫售,我真的不知道他是哪位。
因此,「先生你哪位?」的先生是不可能有影響國家前途的能力。

2.李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?
A:我英文不好,但沒有影響我去夜店學英文的動力。我數學很好,但也沒有提高我年收入的實力。
我確確實實是在現代社會存活下來了,我既沒回到古代,也沒去到未來。
至於大學,怎麼可以不念?爸爸媽媽都說藥丸就是要讀大學的時候玩。

3.李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過......請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?
A:我前陣子看媒體訪問日本婆婆對通膨的生活感想,她說:「窮到像活在地獄一樣。」

4.李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解.....請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?
A:我連孔子的後代有幾個都不關心了。

5.李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!
A:都給你吹就好啦,還問我幹嘛呢。
2008-09-02 @ 01:48
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
請問經濟蕭條不會影響到日本的人民生活這個說法是不是正確?

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我不知道日本的老百姓有沒有感受到,不過政客感受到了


http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/080901/17/156cy.html

快訊/上任不滿1年 日相福田康夫閃電請辭

有關他辭職的原因,據了解,和內閣支持度下滑以及經濟不景氣有很大的關係。
2008-09-02 @ 07:15
迴響 from: EK [訪問者]
5.李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確! Maybe Prof. Lee meant this guy "Dale Chihuly" XD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Chihuly
2008-09-03 @ 01:18
迴響 from: 阿堯 [訪問者]
1.李家同教授以他對高科技的理解,曾經表示過:「網路及部落格的文章..................................................

部落格及網路的誕生
其中之一就是要加速人類在知識上的開放及快速交流

就像是朱大(的團隊)在翻譯開放式課程的時候
難免都會有些和本文不符或語意錯誤的現象
但如果我們老是拘泥於那些瑕不掩瑜錯誤
一個課程可能就要多一個月來做精確的翻譯
這樣怎麼能給讀者取得最快最新進的知識?


依李教授的觀點
文章是因為"不合邏輯,矛盾"而受到歡迎
我對此點非常的不同意
據我觀察朱大的Blog之所以受歡迎的原因
超乎大家想像卻十分中肯有趣的觀點
(例如:正妹生物學,電子西施)
以及用簡單的方式分享當今的新科技及趨勢
(EX: WiMAX的應用)

再看看其他熱門的BLOG&網站(mobile01,彎彎部落格)
哪一個不是用專業來服人?
哪一個真的是用錯誤的訊息吸引他人?


2.李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,
「英文不好、數學好,根............................

雖然有點想用非p則q 這種高中邏輯數學來證明
但用字應該比較好了解

基本上
我們必須先定義在"現代社會存活"的定義是甚麼
像在我家在街角賣雞排的阿輝伯只有小學學歷
不要說英文好數學佳
不但連中文都不太會講 也常常找錯錢給我
但他常常跟他的厝邊說他的兒子孝順,孫子優秀
人生過的真的很快樂
在它身上真的看不出無法存活這個現象 ~科科

我目前才大三
但我知道在我老爸那年代
學生普遍的英文能力都不太好
但出國念研究所的學生往往能很快的跟上國外學校軌道
主要就是他們專業能力有到一定的水準
反觀目前台灣學生英語能力雖進步了
但普遍在專業領域上以落後對岸
以至於在申請時常常那不出專長
或到國外後因為所學太淺必須花大把銀子去國外練基本功的例子實在很多

(當然近年來台灣放洋的人數減少
這只是因素之一
但各人覺得專業不足造成的問題比語言還要來的嚴重)

當大學快要變成16年國教
想考不上大學指考前一天還要去拆寺廟褻瀆神明
以求考試當天全答錯的年代
我想上大學的門檻已經沒有李教授像的那麼高了
而且如果我是個數學資優生
就因為不會說英文
(我家裡窮沒錢補習阿~~ 數學生隨便算一算就出來的唄~)
就不能念大學的話
是不是很多英文考不到10的人也該放棄就讀?
那是不是因為我英文不好
國家就沒有義務去栽培我這數學頂呱呱的人才?



3.李家同教授曾經以他的國際觀表示過:
「我們不妨看看所有工業技術高的國家,他們也許有經濟不景氣的時代,...................................................

我想由於李教授位高權重
基本上應該都去觀光日本的高級社區或特權地段
日本網咖難民的現象已經不是一年兩年的事了
每年因為經濟壓力導致的瘋狂殺人案數量非常驚人
日本股市多年來還是沒從泡沫陰影走出來~
如果日本人民真的是不受經濟不景氣影響
我想一到石油危機
大家都應該舉家移民到日本德國這些工業基礎強大的國家去~~
2008-09-03 @ 05:00
迴響 from: 阿堯 [訪問者]
4.李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:
「至今耶穌的後代........................

2的70次方 = 1180591620717411303424
我想我數學沒有李教授好
但我用膝蓋想也知道耶穌後代沒有這麼多人
(全地球生物加起來也沒有那麼多...)


5.李家同教授以他對技職教育和對美國的瞭解,表示:
「美國的吹玻璃工人薪水高到和學校校長一樣。」請問他的說法是否正確!


我數學還是不太好
但比大小我會
以朱大的資料看來
每年八萬到二十萬跟
三十四萬六千美金
明顯是校長勝!!
2008-09-03 @ 05:02
迴響 from: 95年國中基測作文「血淚笑話集」..購物台 [訪問者]

95國中基測 國文作文 題目:體諒別人的辛勞

◎我家境'小開'

◎爸媽很辛苦,我要照顧他們的「下半身」(無言)

◎最辛苦的人是藝工媽媽(那個學校有表演團體?)

◎現在的小孩已經不再是小孩(那是什麼呢?)

◎很多父母在幫我

◎媽媽說:「以後我(主詞是媽媽)嫁出門時,要你爸爸請菲傭跟我一起出嫁。」(到底在寫什麼?)

◎我要用盡心機報答爸媽,用花言巧語報答爸媽

◎我最尊敬的爸爸是位會計師(不尊敬的爸爸是做什麼的?)

◎清道夫不求回抱的行為令人拍手叫我(無言)

◎親長做錯事情我會用慈悲心糾正他(好慈悲啊)

◎人生這條路我走過幾十年的'風花雪月'(這個孩子人生好不同!)

◎清道夫很辛苦,全身都是臭水溝(無言)

◎打從一出生我什麼也沒有,是爸媽給我這個身體,媽媽供我養分(這孩子生物讀真好)

◎客人將孩子留給我「保管」

◎ 一日之所需,百工斯為備-正確用法
錯誤用法:
1.一日之需,百絲為攻
2.一日之所需,百工師為備
3.一日之所施,百工斯為需
4.一日之所思,百工斯為倍

◎人都需要彼此相互照映(你是電燈泡嗎?)

◎這個社會感恩跟寬容都被漠落了(???)

◎我從出生在一個家庭中(不然?)

◎當爸媽把我生下來那一刻,我感到非常高興(這麼早就有知覺?)

◎每一個人都是媽媽所生下的(不然勒?)

◎清道夫是一個渺小的偉大啊(!?)

◎我的全力大一點,要養父母(只要長大就可以了,不用權力)

◎父母的心我們要寬容啊(是體諒吧?)

◎我要把飯菜啃食乾淨

◎我一生下來,就很多人幫我,醫生幫我接生,母親用力把我送出來(好寫實啊)

◎媽媽背著九個月如巨石般的肚子,為神麼他要這麼拼命呢?(答:肚子在背上,真的要很拼命)

◎喜怒「衰」樂「粉粉」湧上心頭

◎在我的'映象'裡(你是電視機嗎?)

◎謝謝你們,不然我也不會有成功的一天(你已經成功了嗎?)

◎為什麼要我體諒別人,別人都不會體諒我,幹 (這個人零級分)

◎為了不讓父母傷心,所以我在母親節買了蛋糕(?!父母也會哭鬧嗎)

◎我學爸爸打了妹妹一個'熱烈'的耳光(不是通常是熱烈掌聲嗎?)

◎俗語說:'祝'人為快樂之本

◎有句俗語是這樣說的:「即時行孝,即時孝」(這誰編的?)

◎我的筆被用壞了,我同學跟我講,用火燒會變好,我做了,結果筆不聽使喚,也沒有甦醒(......)

◎家裡很窮,爸媽很幸苦,為了回報他們,我要給他們生活費。(你哪裡來的錢?)

◎每次媽媽做這些事,所雖很辛苦,但是媽媽一點悔意也沒有。(是無怨無悔吧?)

◎假如你幫一位窮人,送他魚吃,也教他釣魚,那下次他就送你一台漁船(這麼好)

◎一杯不起眼的牛奶,每滴都滴需要乳牛,用500公克的血製造;一片可口的燒肉,是一隻豬提供自己的身體(幻想力豐富)

◎根據調查,學生感謝爸媽最常說的就是好好讀書,第二名是幫爸媽按摩,有個學生寫:爸爸很辛苦,我每次都幫爸爸按摩,都會摸到硬硬的(驚嚇!!不過應該是指肌肉僵硬)

◎我有天,遭到天外去,爸媽安慰我,我變的有如睛天劈瀝。(不知寫什麼?!)

◎受人點水,要擁泉以報(?)

◎我是媽媽一手帶大的,媽媽一個禮拜回家一次(那剩下時間勒?)

◎努果(看半天,原來是鼻音很重的如果)

◎每個人幾乎都是父母養大的(或是狼人嗎?)

◎爸媽一借一借的辛勞,我感到很深

◎爸媽從小飼養我

◎我從小就有兩個人服侍我,沒錯,就是我的爸媽!(不肖子)

◎媽媽晚上很辛苦,我看著這樣堅酸刻薄的畫面,流下眼淚(意思用錯又寫錯字)

◎我'默許'自己要好好孝順父母(是默默許下諾言吧?)

◎我要爸爸帶我出去玩,爸爸說:「你爸今哪裡沒瑩啊!」(好寫實的音譯)

◎我以前亂丟垃圾,自從我當了一日清道夫之後,我以後不會亂丟垃圾了,這就是所謂的「養兒方知父母恩」吧!

(這有啥關係?硬要用成語就對了)

◎忙碌的街道上,還殘留清道夫的背影(洗潔精才會殘留吧?)

◎我很感謝爸媽生下我,媽媽生我很痛,要不是爸爸這麼勇,不然也不會有我(誠實的小孩)

◎老師對我們很好,所有的講義的字 都是老師的血。(好恐怖)

◎媽媽很辛苦,生我的時候,爸爸過世,所以媽媽獨力扶養我跟「弟弟」(家庭秘密?)



唉....................
2008-09-03 @ 06:49
迴響 from: Mooky [訪問者]
科科~~
如果數學不好,英文也不好,
但是老爸是廟公,
還有正妹老婆,
身體一點營養不良的跡象也沒有,
請問,這樣算生存的好還是不好呢?
2008-09-03 @ 21:17
迴響 from: BranMartell [訪問者]
朱老師

你曾經有貼過一偏有喜酣兒月餅的文章在哪一偏啊

我好像有在你這篇看過
2008-09-13 @ 18:24
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
喜憨兒月餅是在黑暗騎士那一篇。

Lucifer
2008-09-13 @ 18:45
迴響 from: RO [訪問者] · http://blog.roodo.com/robbie1976
1) 現在影響國家前途比較多的應該是區長吧?!
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2008-09-13 @ 23:48
迴響 from: RO [訪問者] · http://blog.roodo.com/robbie1976
1) 現在影響國家前途比較多的應該是區長吧?!
2) 不正確,日文好、俄文好不行嗎?? BTW,我家門口的阿郎賣鹹酥雞賣得可好了!
3) 天皇的子民國果然比較厲害,不景氣也不用去燒炭….
4) 啊啊?這什麼言論?驚~~~~~
5) 台灣趕快納為美國的一州吧,大家都來學吹玻璃!

還來得及參加嗎?

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2008-09-13 @ 23:49
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
都抽完啦!

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2008-09-14 @ 00:13
迴響 from: ishida [訪問者]
我覺得站上的文章大都挺有趣的,但是這篇讓我不太高興 請問朱大有仔細看過李家同 每本書嗎?你提的問題很多都斷章取義,挑他語病。 如果他蔑視英、數不好的孩子,就不會無償替弱勢兒家教。周杰倫、方文山很紅 沒錯,但並不是每人都有此才華,多數人不求大紅大紫,只求安穩工作,而學習 正是弱勢者翻身的契機。李家同只是擔心英文不好看不懂教科書罷了,他很多觀點都是從弱勢者出發,和朱大的觀點不同。並不是每個人都有機會看你的開放式課程。你可以不欣賞一個人,但你若不曾仔細了解他,請不要惡意批評。我從小 就是個資源豐富的孩子,也幸運考上前幾志願的理工科系。我一直希望將來能像 李家同,對社會弱勢盡一份力,也許只是幫忙課輔也好,這並不是什麼假清高, 而是這個社會太冷漠了
2008-09-14 @ 03:28
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
我覺得李家同寫的書,
教訓味道很重,
看他的書時,要先讓自己接受自己卑微,要先讓自己覺得自己已犯無數過錯,
否則他文章、故事裡,突如其來的教訓,
看多了會很不是滋味,
我覺得他對事情的態度總是認為理所當然的該如此如此,
永遠都要有人扮演犯錯角色才行~

何謂弱勢???
李家同在某些人身上冠上了弱勢的符號
2008-09-14 @ 04:05
迴響 from: palm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ruaypapa
TO
vita

還沒睡喔
剛吃完晚餐ㄇ

ㄎㄎㄎㄎ


明天下午才要吃早餐嗎
2008-09-14 @ 04:10
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打錯
是今天下午才要吃早餐嗎





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一個小時前晾的衣服
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迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
喔喔,
嗯~嗯~
不然我先把明天,不,今天要吃的早餐---奶酥麵包,先吃掉好了。

2008-09-14 @ 04:33
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早點睡

是說
吃完早點就睡ㄇ

冷~颼~~

好冷

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外面的風越來越熱了....
我五歲的兒子打完楓之谷
來叫我ㄑ睡了.....
2008-09-14 @ 04:42
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
好像小小孩睡多一點,對腦部發展較好啊~~

晚安吶~~
2008-09-14 @ 04:58
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
ISHIDA看了李家同寫的幾本書就覺得真的瞭解了這個人?

這世界上有更多比下筆假裝出來的清高更真實的真相。

我建議你當面問問看李家同對於那些信佛教的弱勢小還有什麼看法,對於技職教育的學生有什麼看法?

Lucifer

要不是我跟他當面開過會,聽過他親口說的真相,我也以為這傢伙是個好人。
2008-09-14 @ 09:53
迴響 from: RO [訪問者] · http://blog.roodo.com/robbie1976
啊?!抽完了!(泣~~~~)
2008-09-14 @ 14:24
迴響 from: ㄎㄎ桑 [訪問者]
雖然認真就輸了 但是我還是很想給他認真一下

一、高科技:甚少或不會

感覺上年輕人不太因李教授的想法,而影響到自身的行為。

二、教育:正不正確是個人想法,我的看法是不完全是

不然在夜市賣雞排也沒這麼多歪國人可以來消費;哭哭偉在哭哭的時候誰曉得他的英數好不好,他不是一樣很愛讀大學。但我會認為李教授的這句話只是要表達英文在現今社會的重要性。

三、國際觀:不清楚

我決定馬上動身去日本調查電車癡漢人口的變動,並撰寫一篇"癡漢人口結構變率與國內經濟發展動向之交互關係"論文,且發表於國語日報上向國人說明此提的答案。

四、人類學:回答這一題之前必須對"後代"做出明確的定義,但我想每個人的想法都不一樣。

2^70=1.18059162 × 10^21,如果我今天收了一隻蟻后、兩隻蟑螂、三隻藍綠藻、四隻變形蟲、五隻酵母菌、六隻大腸桿菌(6種就好,掰不下去了)做我的養子養女,我想兩千年以後,我的後代可能不只70次方了。雖然不知這句話有無上下文,但我想李教授可能是因為信仰或是其他的原因發表了這段談話,很多情況下我都尊重他人的想法並保持著開放的態度。

五、技職教育:我數學不好,不會算

每個工作都有層級,而薪水當然也不同。校長就分很多種了,地區、公私立、學習階段。如果真的是要單純比較薪水的話,就把全美大部分的吹玻璃工人和校長的薪水統計紀錄一下,也許找個統計系的算個什麼數值出來,或是總和平均也行。所以我真的不會也不想算。

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如果被選上的話當天會有正咩嗎XDDDDDDDDDDD

沒有的話就缺乏一些動機了耶
2008-09-14 @ 15:32
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
to ㄎㄎ桑


迴響來自: 朱恐龍 [成員]
都抽完啦!

Lucifer

先哲有言....
你家是用信鴿在送封包喔?
(開玩笑別介意阿~~~)

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to ㄎㄎ桑

你沒看宅聚報導的第一張照片嗎?
現場都是正妹阿~~~~
2008-09-14 @ 15:59
迴響 from: 忍匠 [訪問者]
李家同教授曾經以他對人類學的瞭解,說過:「至今耶穌的後代一定至少有二的七十次方,這是天文數字,」,請問耶穌的後代是不是至少有二的七十次方?

ans: 二的七十次方喔! 這數字應該是全世界有史以來所有雄性動物的精蟲數!
2008-10-03 @ 17:28
迴響 from: 學弟 [訪問者]
李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

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我只知道英文不好,OOPS玩不起來;數學不好,不會知道二的七十次方是天文數字
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李家同教授曾經以他對教育的研究說過,「英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學。」請問這句話是否正確?

-->
我只知道英文不好,OOPS玩不起來;數學不好,不會知道二的七十次方是天文數字
我只希望阿宅可以用中文和msn表情符號統治全世界 :>
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不知道你是不是沒看懂...
不過這裡的意思是說...
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有時間...在去進修其他的,我相信沒人會阻止你...
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