朱恐龍
朱恐龍

通往未來的道路..... (10049 views)
     

(這是我替工研院翻譯的一本書所寫的前言,妙的是這本書並不公開發行......所以你想買也買不到)

裡面我還安插了以前翻譯的一本科幻小說的篇章,所以篇幅相當的長....^_^

Follow up:

在我最喜歡的科幻小說《基地》中,其核心思想是一個被稱為心理史學,足以預測未來的學術理論。由於銀河帝國即將瓦解,而根據預測,人類將會因此而承受三萬年的黑暗時代,因此主角組成了一個團隊,試圖運用這個團隊的知識和能力來減少人類將會承受到的磨難。

我原本在翻譯了魔戒之後,下一個想要翻譯的就是艾西莫夫(Isaac Asimov)的基地系列(Foundation)。因為這系列的作品在許多方面啟發了我成立基金會,以及後續一連串的人生規劃。

不過因為那時我已經開始了開放式課程計畫,兩相權衡之下,最後我捨棄了文學上的《基地》,開始了現實世界中的基地計畫,希望終有一天可以替華文世界建立一個夠大的知識庫......

下面是我當年已經翻譯的一個章節。留在這裡,就當作對於我青春的一個記錄吧!

也許將來有一天,我能夠翻譯完這套作品也說不定。

這場審判(加爾認為這應該是場審判,只是整個進行的過程和他所知道的法律流程和交叉質詢相差非常多)並沒有持續很久。這場審判到第三天的時候,加爾的記憶已經難以追溯第一天的經過。

他自己幾乎可說是毫髮無傷。強大的火力幾乎都是瞄準著謝頓博士而來。不過,哈理‧謝頓只是無動於衷的坐在那裡,似乎一點都不受到影響。對加爾來說,他是這整個崩潰世界中唯一的穩定的地方。

聽眾非常稀少,因為他們都是從帝國的公爵中精挑細選出來的參與者。媒體和公眾更是被徹底蒙在鼓裡,外人可能根本不知道正在進行一場對謝頓的審判。這裡的氣氛對於辯方可說是劍拔弩張,充滿了敵意。

審判席上坐著五位公安局的成員。他們穿著金紅相間的制服,以及非常伏貼的塑膠兜帽,象徵他們具有審判的權力與地位。公共安全局的局長陳林基坐在正中間。加爾之前從來沒看過這麼位高權重的貴族,不禁露出敬畏的神情。在整場審判的過程中,陳局長不發一語。他讓人清楚的感覺到多言是對他地位的一種降格。

公安局的控方律師隨著質詢的進行,小心的看著手中的筆記,謝頓則是仍然在質詢台上。

問:謝頓博士,請教您一下,你所帶領的計畫有多少人參與?
答:五十名數學家。

問:包括加爾‧多尼克博士嗎?
答:多尼克博士是第五十一位。

問:喔,那麼我們有五十一位囉?請仔細思索一下,謝頓博士。或許有五十二或是五十三位?甚至還有更多?
答:多尼克博士尚未正式加入我的機構。當他加入的時候,我們的成員會變成五十一位。現在,就像我之前所說的一樣,是五十位。

問:不是一萬人?
答:數學家嗎?不是。

問:我說的不是數學家。所有領域的參與者是否有十萬人?
答:如果計算所有領域的參與者,你所說的數據可能是正確的。

問:可能是?我的數據就是正確的!參與你計畫的人數是九萬八千五百七十二人。
答:我想你應該把婦孺也都算進去了吧。

問:(提高音量)我的重點是在於有九萬八千五百七十二人參與這個計畫!沒必要吹毛求疵。
答:我同意這個數字。

問:(再看看他的筆記)那麼,我們就先不爭論這個議題,來看看我們之前已經深入討論過的另一個議題吧。謝頓博士,你願意重複你對於傳特未來的看法嗎?
答:我已經說過,在此我再重複一次:傳特在未來的三個世紀內將會化為廢墟。

問:你不認為自己的說法是叛國的行為嗎?
答:不,科學的真理是超越忠誠的事實。

問:你確定你的看法代表了科學的真理?
答:是的。

問:以什麼為基礎?
答:以心理史學的數學推導為基礎。

問:你能夠證明這個數學推導是正確的嗎?
答:恐怕只有數學家才會瞭解。

問:(帶著微笑)那麼,你聲稱你所說的事實複雜到一般人無法瞭解。但是,我心目中的事實應該是更清楚的,不那麼神秘的,更開放的。
答:對許多心靈來說,這門學問是很開放的。我們將能量轉換的物理學稱之為熱力學,這門學問從神話時代直到今天都是清楚的真理;但在場的諸位中也許有些人沒辦法設計出引擎來。即使他們有多聰明都是一樣。我很懷疑博學多聞的公安局成員—

就在這個時候,台上其中一名公安局高層彎身朝向控方律師。外人聽不清楚他的話語,但可以感受到那話聲相當不客氣。控方律師脹紅了臉,打斷了謝頓。

問:謝頓博士,我們並不是來這邊聽你演講。假設你已經說出了重點。我認為,你對於災難的預測目的是為了一己之私,摧毀公眾對於帝國政府的信任!
答:並不是如此。

問:我認為你會聲稱在這所謂的傳特化為廢墟的時間之後,星球上會充滿了各種的動盪不安。
答:你說的沒錯。

問:而你準備只靠著這個預測,希望讓傳特度過這危機,因此你才會準備了十萬人的部隊。
答:首先,你的第一個假設是錯誤的。而且,即使它是對的,你如果調查的夠仔細,就會發現我的工作人員中僅有一萬人屬於服役年齡,而這些人都沒有受過武器的訓練。

問:你是替其他人在安排這些事情嗎?
答:律師先生,我並沒有獲得任何人的資助。

問:你是完全中立的嗎?你僅為科學服務?
答:是的。

問:讓我們來看看你是如何獻身服務的。謝頓博士,未來是可以被改變的嗎?
答:當然可以。這個法庭或許在未來幾小時內會爆炸,或許不會。如果它爆炸了,未來毫無疑問的會產生些微的變化。

問:謝頓博士,你又偏離主題了。我問的是,人類的宏觀歷史大勢能夠被改變嗎?
答:可以。

問:很輕易的嗎?
答:不,極為困難的。

問:為什麼?
答:單一星球人類的心理史學趨勢擁有極大的慣性。要改變這趨勢必須要用相同慣性的力量來相抗衡。如果不是用同樣的人數來對抗,就是必須要以相對少數的人以極長的時間來改變。你明白這推論嗎?

問:我想我瞭解。如果有極端眾多的人類決定採取行動,傳特可能就不會被毀滅。
答:你說的沒錯。

問:就像以十萬人的力量嗎?
答:不,律師先生,這太少了。

問:你確定嗎?
答:考慮到傳特擁有超過四百億的人口,再考慮到這股邁向滅亡的趨勢並不僅屬於傳特,而是整個帝國的走向,而整個帝國擁有超過一萬億以上的人類成員。

問:我明白了。那麼,或許這十萬人和他們的子孫努力三百年就可以改變這個趨勢。
答:恐怕不行。三百年太短了。

問:啊!既然這樣,謝頓博士,我們僅能夠從您之前的聲明來做推論了。你集合了十萬名的人類參與你的計畫。這些人不足以在三百年內改變傳特毀滅的命運。換句話說,不管他們怎麼做,都無法阻止傳特被毀滅。
答:很不幸的,你說的沒錯。

問:換句話說,你的十萬人並不準備執行任何違法的計畫。
答:完全正確。

問:(心滿意足的緩緩說)既然這樣,謝頓博士,請你仔細聽好,因為我們想聽到你的答案。你這十萬人的目的是什麼?

控方律師的聲音充滿了信心,他的陷阱開啟了,他把謝頓逼到了角落,讓他絕無法自圓其說。

聽眾開始不停的竊竊私語,甚至連公安局的成員也開始交頭接耳。穿著金紅相間制服的他們左顧右盼,只有局長不為所動。

哈理‧謝頓露出冷靜的神色,他靜靜的等待這喧鬧結束。

答:是為了將這毀滅的效應降到最低。

問:你這究竟是什麼意思?
答:我的解釋很簡單。傳特的毀滅本身並不是孤立於人類歷史之外的單一事件。這將會是幾百年前就開始,目前正逐漸加速的一股歷史大勢的最高潮。諸位,我所說的就是銀河帝國瓦解和最終徹底毀滅的歷史大勢。

法庭內原先的竊竊私語聲成了震耳欲聾的噪音。控方律師也失控的大喊,「你公開宣稱—」但群眾中傳來的「叛國!叛國!」的大吼讓他不再需要畫蛇添足。

慢慢的,公安局長舉起鎚子,輕輕落下。這空洞的聲音在法庭內迴響著。等到回聲結束之後,群眾也跟著安靜下來。控方律師深吸了一口氣。

問:(戲劇化的)謝頓博士,你清楚你所提到的帝國矗立了一萬兩千年,度過了無數個世代的動盪,擁有一萬億人民的愛戴嗎?
答:我很清楚帝國過去的歷史和目前的狀況,我無意冒犯,但我應該比法庭內的大多數人都瞭解這一切。

問:但你還是預測了它的衰亡?
答:這是由數學推導所做出的預測,我並沒有任何的道德立場。我個人很遺憾推算的結果是如此。即使帝國的存在是件壞事(而我並不認為如此),但帝國崩潰之後的動盪將會是更糟糕的狀況。我的計畫所要對抗的是這段動盪不安的時間。諸位,帝國的瓦解是個無比巨大的事件,無法輕易的改變。它的演變是來自於不停增加的高度官僚化、處處喪失主動的群體意識、社會階層之間的流動停止、好奇心的消失等等數百個原因。這樣的演變,就像我之前所說的一樣,已經進行了數百年,這個演變太過巨大,已經無法阻止了。

問:庭上的諸位應該都很清楚知道帝國和以前同樣的強大。
答:你們身邊就是帝國強大力量的展示。看起來似乎永遠不會消失。不過,律師先生,腐敗的樹幹平時外表看來並無異樣,似乎一樣的堅韌,直到強風吹來,它才會攔腰斷折。現在帝國的天際就已經隱隱起風了,如果你以心理史學的工具側耳傾聽,你就會聽到樹幹內部的斷裂聲。

問:(不確定的)謝頓博士,我們不是來此—
答:(堅定的說)帝國和它的榮光都將會隨之消逝。所累積的知識都將灰飛煙滅,它所維持的秩序也將土崩瓦解。星際戰爭將會永無止盡,星際的貿易將會消失,人口會不停的減少,各個行星將會失去和銀河主體間的聯繫—狀況將會持續惡化下去。

問:(在一片死寂中一個無力的聲音)永遠嗎?
答:心理史學可以預測它的衰亡,自然也可以計算接續的黑暗時代。諸位,帝國就像剛剛我們所說的一樣,已經矗立了一萬兩千年。接續的黑暗時期將不會是一萬兩千年,而是三萬年!在那之後,第二帝國將會崛起,但在它和我們的現存文明之間將會有一千代的人類受苦。我們必須對抗這趨勢。

問:(似乎恢復了一些鎮定)你自相矛盾了,早先你說過你無法阻止傳特的衰亡,所以也無法阻止帝國的瓦解。
答:我所指的並不是我們可以阻止這趨勢。但要縮短這黑暗時期為時並不算太晚。諸位,如果我的團隊現在就開始行動,我們還有可能將這黑暗時代縮短為一千年。我們正處在歷史上一個微妙的轉捩點,這股龐大,看來莫之能禦的趨勢可以被稍稍推離一些,僅有這些微的差距,不可能太多,但這就足以替人類免去兩萬九千年的痛苦。

問:你要如何做到這一切?
答:保存人類全體的知識。人類的總和知識超越了任何單一的個體,甚至超越了幾千人的智識總和。在我們的社會秩序被瓦解之後,科學將會碎成千萬個片段的知識。每個人都僅能擁有過去知識的斷簡殘篇。他們將會孤單無緣。這些斷簡殘篇的知識將無法繼續傳遞下去。數個世代之後這些知識就將會失落。但是,如果我們現在開始儲備人類所有的知識,這些知識就將被保存下來。未來的世代將會藉著這些養分而茁壯,不需要重新發現這些知識。一千年的努力就足以完成原本要三萬年的掙扎。

問:這一切—

答:這就是我計畫的目的:我的三萬名男性工作者和他們的妻小都努力的籌備《銀河百科全書》。他們這一生將無法看到它的完成。我甚至只能看到這計畫剛開始的模樣。但等到傳特陷落時,全套的《銀河百科全書》將傳遞到銀河中的每個大圖書館去。

公安局長的鎚子舉起又落下。哈理‧謝頓離開證人席,安靜的坐回加爾旁邊的座位。
他笑著說,「你覺得我的表演如何?」

加爾說,「你簡直是光芒四射。但接下來會怎麼樣?」

「他們將會放棄這場審判,試著跟我私下達成協議。」

「你怎麼能確定?」

謝頓說,「說實話,我不知道。這關鍵在於公安局長身上。我已經研究他好幾年了。我試著分析他的工作,但你知道在心理史學的方程式中帶入個人的變數有多麼冒險。但我心中還是有著希望。」


(這好像是某個設計獎的圖,與本書無關)


(Holst Centre的外型)

我覺得Holst Centre在做的是跟基地一樣的事情。菲利普以一個企業的力量推動數個研究中心的合作,讓學生、研究人員、工業設計師之間能夠有充分溝通、集中主題的交流。這樣的模式運作非常像是麻省理工學院的媒體實驗室(Media Lab),他們有一句非常有趣的名言:「Good idea is Cheap, Good implemantation is expensive.」,好的點子很容易找到,但好的執行卻非常昂貴。而好的執行就是必須讓這些研究奠基於實際的需求之上,實際吸納不同的機構真正的執行能力和觀點,這才能開發出真正有利於社會進步的產品來。

Holst Centre其實就是將新鮮的活力點子,和研究的學術理論,以及工業設計的執行力結合在一起。透過對於趨勢和需求的研究及規劃,讓企業界可以從這些研究與點子中找到新的可能性和應用。

而Holst Centre一直強調的Open Innovation其實也是很重要的一個觀點。研究單位若是能夠盡量將其研究成果公開,方能夠帶進更多新的可能性與發展。許多企業不是不需要新的研發和規劃,他們是苦於不知道究竟有多少人已經找出不同的解決方案來了。麻省理工學院的媒體實驗室就曾經發生一個很有趣的小故事,他們受雇於賭城的一個魔術師來設計一款複雜、有各種感應器的特殊椅子,表面上看起來這項技術大概只能夠讓魔術表演變得更為華麗、驚人。但因為某家日本的大企業在媒體實驗室有派駐長期研究員,他們一看到這個椅子就聯想到,汽車上的嬰兒安全座椅經常會因為不清楚嬰兒的位置而造成氣囊爆發時的傷害,但如果他們可以像是這個椅子一樣,在嬰兒安全座椅上安裝便宜的感應器以確定嬰兒的姿勢呢?

就這樣,這家日本的大企業就由這個概念開始設計新一代的嬰兒座椅,並且獲得了極大的成功。

但如果類似的創意不能分享呢?魔術師的椅子可能永遠都只是魔術師的椅子,而日本的大企業可能還在苦思如何設計出新的嬰兒椅呢!一個人的果汁可能是另一個人的調味料,但你如果不夠開放,永遠就不會知道是否還有更多的可能性。

Holst Centre教我們的另外一件事情就是創意不需要石破天驚,創意可以單純只是為了解決身邊的一個小問題而執行。就像書中的智慧型藥丸包裝,跟照明嚮導兩個概念設計一樣;前者是為了解決吃藥不定時或是不定量的問題,而後者則是為了解決我們到了許多新的建築物去洽公或是開會,經常容易迷路的問題。這兩個問題不見得會解決經世濟民的問題,但卻是確切為人們所需要、願意購買的創意。這樣腳踏實地的創意反而會比許多妄想要一步登天的創意來得更能夠落實,更有商機。

從Holst Centre的概念中,也許我們可以學到的是,執行力才是研究機構的關鍵,點子則是越分享、越公開越好,若能更朝向這個方向邁進,或許我們也可以看到一些嶄新的可能性!

感謝攝影大濕Hardworking拍的台北Fashion秀.....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/likephoto/

MODEL很眼熟,但不認識是誰.....囧。



藍海年代專訪朱阿宅
9/20(星期六)晚上10點 50台 年代


強子對撞的應景照片.....

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迴響 from: 碎棉布族 [訪問者]
頭香嗎
2008-09-11 @ 13:42
迴響 from: Visson [訪問者]
哇!! 頭香??
2008-09-11 @ 13:42
迴響 from: simon~~大推紅葉大的小說!! [訪問者]
?
第一次進前十…
媽~~我在這裡!!(揮手!!)
2008-09-11 @ 13:46
迴響 from: simon~~大推紅葉大的小說!! [訪問者]
錯了啦,
我要說的是,小弟我現在正在看朱大翻譯的一本小說,
叫「故土」,
講的是黑暗精靈的故事,
好看爆了!!
推薦給大家~~
2008-09-11 @ 13:49
迴響 from: 笨是一定要的 [訪問者]
唉呦 都是樓下 賣涼麵的排隊太長 不然還可以拼前三呢

推一下 內湖路的四季涼麵 真的還不錯吃

繼續 吃著涼麵 喝半糖烏龍綠茶 等著看今天值日生
2008-09-11 @ 13:49
迴響 from: feng [訪問者]
今天新生講習第一天,
學生聽說有安排朱大來演講,
很............
朱大來了就知道.
2008-09-11 @ 13:52
迴響 from: 雅同學 [訪問者]
難得有前十

露一下臉 哈哈~~
2008-09-11 @ 13:52
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephenalien
依照朱大所言

現在的台灣是個毫無創意、原地踏步的社會啊?
2008-09-11 @ 13:53
迴響 from: TLHC [訪問者] · http://www.game.idv.tw
怪了不是都是半夜發文的喔
現在這早也
2008-09-11 @ 13:54
迴響 from: TLHC [訪問者] · http://www.game.idv.tw
不發行,但是借的到吧~
2008-09-11 @ 13:59
迴響 from: aiueo [訪問者]
林葦如這張不好看
嘴唇部份...
2008-09-11 @ 14:00
迴響 from: 有疑問的潛水員 [訪問者]
>>帝國的瓦解是個無比巨大的事件,無法輕易的改變。它的演變是來自於不停增加的高度官僚化、處處喪失主動的群體意識、社會階層之間的流動停止、好奇心的消失等等數百個原因。
>>這些知識就將被保存下來。未來的世代將會藉著這些養分而茁壯,不需要重新發現這些知識。一千年的努力就足以完成原本要三萬年的掙扎。

帝國的瓦解不是因為知識的缺乏, 已有的知識也不能阻止帝國毀滅, 為什麼保存這些知識可以縮短人類的"黑暗時期"呢?

人類能不能幸福, 重點在於有沒有知識嗎 ?
2008-09-11 @ 14:07
迴響 from: 陸仁賈 [訪問者]
model的眼睛是被人打了嗎?
2008-09-11 @ 14:09
迴響 from: 宅化中 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 有疑問的潛水員 [訪問者]
>>帝國的瓦解是個無比巨大的事件,無法輕易的改變。它的演變是來自於不停增加的高度官僚化、處處喪失主動的群體意識、社會階層之間的流動停止、好奇心的消失等等數百個原因。
>>這些知識就將被保存下來。未來的世代將會藉著這些養分而茁壯,不需要重新發現這些知識。一千年的努力就足以完成原本要三萬年的掙扎。

帝國的瓦解不是因為知識的缺乏, 已有的知識也不能阻止帝國毀滅, 為什麼保存這些知識可以縮短人類的"黑暗時期"呢?

人類能不能幸福, 重點在於有沒有知識嗎 ?

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跟潛水員您分享一下我的讀後感

因為這些知識的保存, 可以使人們不用在經歷過無數漫長的摸索後才得到一些我們覺得很簡單的知識和科技

例如說大家覺得燈泡是個很平凡的生活用品
但是如果沒有保存燈泡的製造方式, 那我們要從用火照明進化到使用燈泡 大概又要花費好久的時間 而這些因為知識和科技的缺乏而導致生活不便的時期 或許就是他所意指的 " 黑暗時期 "

" 黑暗時期 " 並不是說沒有照明所以黑暗, 而是只人們要靠摸索而成長 ~ 就像在黑暗中找路一樣 ~

人類能不能幸福跟知識是否有關
那端看你對於幸福的定義是什麼 ... 我想這個問題就很難去界定了
2008-09-11 @ 14:26
迴響 from: 黯腦 [訪問者] · http://forum.OTZ.com
人類
最終會變成機娘嗎?
2008-09-11 @ 14:30
迴響 from: 摸生 [訪問者]
翻譯內容明明就是豪宅的告白..
果然是正港男子漢, 可惜面對的不是正妹. 唉唉..
2008-09-11 @ 14:45
迴響 from: 貴妃 [訪問者]
那個黑衣服女生的妝....好像被打兩拳
2008-09-11 @ 14:50
迴響 from: 妖孽 [訪問者] · http://sealegslin.blogspot.com
難得這麼前面,推一個
2008-09-11 @ 14:50
迴響 from: 鼎:一切有為法如夢幻泡影如露亦如電應作如是觀 [訪問者]
" 黑暗時期 " 並不是說沒有照明所以黑暗, 而是只人們要靠摸索而成長 ~ 就像在黑暗中找路一樣 ~
人類能不能幸福跟知識是否有關
那端看你對於幸福的定義是什麼 ... 我想這個問題就很難去界定了
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來宣傳一下佛法

先進知識要直接傳授給原始人 要克服的問題不只是大腦進化程度

例如你要如何跟現代非洲原始部落 說明手電筒為何會發亮  光那個電的概念他們就要想破頭了

也就如佛經中佛所說的佛法與法界真相  一般人也不會輕易相信  因為領先這個世界太多  

例如二度空間的人 看不到事物的全面  有個比喻是這樣

現在有一個正方形的透明魚缸 裡頭有一條魚  正面與側面各裝了一台攝影機連接到一個房間裡的兩個銀幕上

此時有一個二度空間的人與一個三度空間的人同時在房間監看兩個銀幕(提示有兩條魚或是不提示)

一開始這兩人都不會發現這是同一條魚  但是三度空間的人很快就會發覺這兩個銀幕拍的是同一條魚  而且還能看出攝影機拍攝的角度 與分成兩畫面的因果關係  二度空間的人則無此能力

當三度空間的人很熱心的向二度空間的人指出這兩個銀幕是同一條魚 以及攝影機等設備   二度空間的人是無法接受與想像的  因為他看不到背後的因果

佛來世間說法  也面臨同樣的問題  眾生觀察世界的工具有限  看不到萬事萬物相關聯的真相  所以不信受

說到萬物相關

阿個人最近發現一個隱藏密碼  牽涉到國家領導高層的機密  

如果有人想知道  就留個言  我就再度公開



2008-09-11 @ 15:06
迴響 from: baabuu-阿宅聚會照片請按右邊網址 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
1.閱畢!

2.眼熟的原因應該跟補習班女孩沒關係吧.....

3.偶家沒第四台啦...
2008-09-11 @ 15:13
迴響 from: 莎菲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/s534480
朱學恆大哥你好!
我是清大中文系一年級的新生,
謝謝你在新生講習時的演講,真的很發人深省^_^
很久以前就看過非凡的專訪(OOPS),對大雞排沒什麼印象就是..OTZ
你說「如果你只剩一年可以活,你想做什麼?....那你為什麼不現在就去做。」我覺得很棒。
現在的我對於未來還是有點迷惘吧,即使立志要修輔系、學德文,在眾多名校同學的包圍下,有時候讓我覺得無力,不知道自己「真的辦的到嗎?」
不過我也不是會輕易放棄的人,請不用擔心,呵,我只是希望自己築夢踏實,九把刀說「不要讓夢想變成夢X」,我還是會用力探索自己的各種可能,只是希望不要變成成天把夢想掛在嘴邊,過於天真爛漫的人。
一直覺得你是個很酷的人,沒想到可以和你近距離接觸(後來才發現自己太緊張了,忘了握手好後悔>_
2008-09-11 @ 15:13
迴響 from: jhtsau [訪問者] · http://blog.jhtsau.riceball.net/
看了一下部份的譯文,對這本小說還蠻感興趣的,裡面所謂的心理史學感覺起來跟系統動態學好像有點像?
不知道圖書館裡找不找的到這系列的書...

model的眼粧真特別...
2008-09-11 @ 15:14
迴響 from: 莎菲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/s534480
>_
2008-09-11 @ 15:15
迴響 from: 莎菲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/s534480
很開心,只要我行有餘力,非常樂意做些能夠幫上忙的事,也許有天我也能夠為OOPS翻譯柏林大學的課程也說不定=)。
附上那天的照片(坐在最後一排的我,本來以為你會直接從側門走掉呢)
http://www.wretch.cc/album/album.php?id=s534480&book=36
謝謝你,希望有機會可以再見面!
2008-09-11 @ 15:15
迴響 from: kuangX2 [訪問者]
請問[基地]要從哪裡開始看?順序是....
《基地》《基地與帝國》《基地前奏》《第二基地》

剛剛到博客來找了一下,好玩的是,
基地系列套書(四冊)優惠價:9折1134元
如果單本單本買,四冊 NT $945 元
2008-09-11 @ 15:16
迴響 from: Venaisha../正咩...??? [訪問者]

裡面我還安插了以前翻譯的一本科幻小說的篇章,所以篇幅相當的長....^_^

↑為什麼我覺得這句話後面的笑臉....
 有機...車呢?
2008-09-11 @ 15:17
迴響 from: 強尼戴噗 [訪問者]
有必要翻基地嗎?

葉李華都把全套翻完了啊
2008-09-11 @ 15:17
迴響 from: R.H. [訪問者]
如果保留的知識將導致下一次更大的毀滅時,那麼這些保留的知識是否有必要存在
這就好比將一位窮凶惡極的罪犯釋放,即便已預知道此罪犯勢必將再犯下更令人髮指的罪行一般
有時候反而返璞歸真才能恆久不衰,世事無絕對 唯有情無價~
2008-09-11 @ 15:21
迴響 from: 潛水夫 - 我想穿OOPS跟宅鬥士的T-Shirt [訪問者]
親愛的莎菲小妹妹:
朱大要的不是握手,下次見到人時,請不要只記得照相、握手,記得要享用朱大的肉體給朱大一個用力的熊抱!

歡迎常來!又有正妹來吔!希望她不是那位”清大正妹”
2008-09-11 @ 15:24
迴響 from: gunbuster [訪問者]
推基地三部曲~
是一部精采的小說

如果我早點起來就可以拿頭香囉

科科科科~
2008-09-11 @ 15:24
迴響 from: 賣宅的朱厚宅 [訪問者]
人數盡,天地合
2008-09-11 @ 15:29
迴響 from: 宅化中 [訪問者]

迴響來自: 莎菲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/s534480
很開心,只要我行有餘力,非常樂意做些能夠幫上忙的事,也許有天我也能夠為OOPS翻譯柏林大學的課程也說不定=)。
附上那天的照片(坐在最後一排的我,本來以為你會直接從側門走掉呢)
http://www.wretch.cc/album/album.php?id=s534480&book=36
謝謝你,希望有機會可以再見面!
全文連結 2008-09-11 @ 15:15

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我只是想說 ... 你把朱大豪宅的名字寫錯了
應該是恒 不是恆
罰妳下次熊抱朱大十下
2008-09-11 @ 15:34
迴響 from: gunbuster [訪問者]
三部曲的順序應該是這樣:

基地 -> 基地與帝國 -> 第二基地

基地締造者 基地前奏 基地與地球 基地邊緣...
這些順序我就不知道了,其中有前傳的故事

《基地》之外, 甚至還有帝國三部曲呢(不確定是幾部)

真的是氣勢磅礡的史詩巨著~!
2008-09-11 @ 15:36
迴響 from: 垂哥 [訪問者]
大家都搶得好快...

還是秋之回憶好!

沒人搶...
2008-09-11 @ 15:43
迴響 from: RR [訪問者] · http://roseroo.spaces.live.com/
日光燈,這個人人熟悉的日常用品。

一開始只是長長普通的燈管加個燈罩
花了10年,進化成燈罩有了銀色反光塗裝以增加(對地的)照明度
又花了10年,進化成現在所謂省電型燈管(捲捲的有點像燈泡,包括安裝也像燈泡)

20年.........................只進步了這樣
人類從火把進步到蠟燭,從蠟燭進步到燈泡,又花了多久呢?
2008-09-11 @ 15:47
迴響 from: 盧卡斯......忙到落枕更痛了 = = 機車勒 [訪問者]
喔~ 帥喔~ 我幾乎很少看國外的科幻小說 因為故事架構不熟
加上翻譯的問題讓很大部份的科幻小說閱讀起來有點吃力

但是看這篇雖然架構還是要想一下,但是閱讀起來果然順暢多了
我還真的把這一小章看完了呢~ 也不算太長啦

另~ To 鼎
你講的問題讓我想到另一個故事,NASA徵求太空中可以用的筆的故事
網路上傳很久了,就不綴述

有時候不要把太簡單的事複雜化,對大多數人來說
可以用,知道怎麼用,就夠了,對於背後的觀念不需要太多了解
那是少部份研發人員做的事,對於這些人,不用說他們也會來主動詢問的

同樣的,對於大多數二度空間的人來說,魚是不是同一條很重要嗎? 我想不
他們只要確定該看到的東西出現在該出現的位置就行了 不是嗎?

宗教我想也是如此,大多數人不需要知道佛法或神的恩惠多高深多麼豐富,
他們只要知道,需要的時候,可以從所信仰的地方得到能量或平靜等等...
就夠了,不是嗎? 其它的自有僧侶、或神學人員去進行深究


2008-09-11 @ 15:47
迴響 from: gunbuster [訪問者]

覺得自己說不知道真是太不負責樂~
所以去查一下

基地前傳: 基地前奏 -> 基地締造者

基地後傳: 基地邊緣 -> 基地與地球

這些只是大基地系列的小部份而已耶~
長知識樂~
2008-09-11 @ 15:53
迴響 from: 阿呆 [訪問者]
朱大

9/24的演講看到了啦
等你喔...
2008-09-11 @ 15:56
知識的累積是脫離黑暗的道路

朱大~~你上的節目剛好是我不看的節目呀......大學生了霉(敲碗)

宅宅馬都只看卡通,只是不知道CartoonNetwork會不會邀請朱大上節目

朱豪宅-vs-keroro"夢幻豪宅與鋼普拉魂的世紀對談"

科科科~~~好像不太可能吧。








2008-09-11 @ 16:01
迴響 from: 宅化中 [訪問者]
CartoonNetwork 正在計畫的新節目

朱學恒的阿宅萬事通事務所 vs 德克斯特的科學實驗室

敬請期待 ...
2008-09-11 @ 16:04
迴響 from: 莎菲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/s534480
OH!對不起!>_
2008-09-11 @ 16:04
迴響 from: 莎菲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/s534480
OH!對不起!>_
2008-09-11 @ 16:05
迴響 from: 夏夜 [訪問者]
基地寫的太好了
超越了科幻小說
是新形態的文學
2008-09-11 @ 16:06
迴響 from: 莎菲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/s534480
(留言被切掉了?)
相簿那邊已經改過了,下次會更小心的
天哪虧我還唸中文系啊...
2008-09-11 @ 16:08
迴響 from: jhtsau [訪問者] · http://blog.jhtsau.riceball.net/
迴響來自: 宅化中 [訪問者]

我只是想說 ... 你把朱大豪宅的名字寫錯了
應該是恒 不是恆
罰妳下次熊抱朱大十下
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囧..到底是恒還是恆?恒是恆的異體字,朱大自己的事務所是寫「恒」,但是維基百科上寫的是「恆」,還是朱大覺得可以通用?
寫錯別人的名字總覺得不太好意思...
2008-09-11 @ 16:09
迴響 from: 潛水夫 - 我想穿OOPS跟宅鬥士的T-Shirt [訪問者]
莎菲小妹妹:
在這兒不能用”小於符號”,一但用了,”小於符號”後面的字都會被吃掉。

朱大吃多了,所以才........
2008-09-11 @ 16:11
迴響 from: baabuu-阿宅聚會照片請按右邊網址 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
TO 莎菲

1.
<這個符號因為牽涉到網頁語法,所以在這個符號後面的字會不見
2.
據某人自己表示,字打錯但是牠懶得改.....
2008-09-11 @ 16:13
迴響 from: 席可拉 [訪問者]
這篇看了有點感慨…我覺得大部分的國人都以"商業機密"為由,情願閉門造車…
可是我覺得知識應該是流動的,是共享的(我沒有倡導盜版的意思)
如果知識被封存起來,最後只會失傳而已…
2008-09-11 @ 16:20
莎菲......?

也是清大的耶~該不會是說"所以我很多文章都跳過不看"的那位吧
2008-09-11 @ 16:21
迴響 from: 肉絲馬力 [訪問者]
其實朱豪宅可以義賣你的熊抱來籌基金會的經費啊!捐款1000元可得朱大抱到吐血,5000元可得朱大抱到噴腦漿──以上是正妹的價錢,阿宅的話乘以10倍。這樣的話,很快基金會就不愁沒有經費了........
2008-09-11 @ 16:25
迴響 from: 松鼠 [訪問者] · http://tec730721.blogspot.com/
收到版友熱情贊助的喜酣兒月餅啦~
感謝熱情版友 朱大及俏助理群~
阿宅中秋節快樂!!
2008-09-11 @ 16:30
迴響 from: 潛水夫 - 我想穿OOPS跟宅鬥士的T-Shirt [訪問者]
肉絲馬力:
你錯了,真正的募款活動為:
正妹 - 捐款1000元,可以熊抱朱大一次;捐款一萬元,可以享受朱大肉體一次。
宅男 - 捐款1000元,可以讓朱大熊抱一次,以吐血為限;捐款一萬元,可以讓朱大抱到噴腦漿。

這樣,你覺得如何?
2008-09-11 @ 16:37
迴響 from: 鼎:一切有為法如夢幻泡影如露亦如電應作如是觀 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 盧卡斯......忙到落枕更痛了 = = 機車勒 [訪問者]
另~ To 鼎
有時候不要把太簡單的事複雜化,對大多數人來說
可以用,知道怎麼用,就夠了,對於背後的觀念不需要太多了解
那是少部份研發人員做的事,對於這些人,不用說他們也會來主動詢問的

同樣的,對於大多數二度空間的人來說,魚是不是同一條很重要嗎? 我想不
他們只要確定該看到的東西出現在該出現的位置就行了 不是嗎?

宗教我想也是如此,大多數人不需要知道佛法或神的恩惠多高深多麼豐富,
他們只要知道,需要的時候,可以從所信仰的地方得到能量或平靜等等...
就夠了,不是嗎? 其它的自有僧侶、或神學人員去進行深究
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我親愛的盧卡斯

人類與一切眾生 到底需要知道多少真實的知識 對人對己才會有益 我們無法清楚量化界定 但是有兩種趨勢是可預測也是很正面的

1.眾生都應該保持好奇心不斷求知求真相 所以有大強子撞擊機 研究人腦等進展 佛法是鼓勵要實證的 若有興趣深入 自然會發現佛法具科學方法的一面

2.若人能清楚明白所有事物的因果關係 (不只是善有善報惡有惡報現世報來世報那麼表面)  一定會改變自己的內心想法與行為 更不必說犯罪或是做些以為沒有人知道也不會被懲罰的惡事

大多數的人不好奇這世界真相嗎?大多數人不想在知道萬物因果後可讓自己心行如法行之獲大智慧大利益(不是指世間利益)嗎?

我想未必

阿你也不想知道國家領導高層的隱藏密碼嗎? 

2008-09-11 @ 16:43
迴響 from: 碧鹿 [訪問者]
第一次,沒有看完全文就來推文了,噗
2008-09-11 @ 16:45
迴響 from: 宅化中 [訪問者]
To 鼎 ;

po 密碼吧
2008-09-11 @ 16:48
迴響 from: 鼎:一切有為法如夢幻泡影如露亦如電應作如是觀 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 宅化中 [訪問者]
To 鼎 ;
po 密碼吧
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很多人都質疑為什麼我們的馬總統總是那麼斯文

斯文到有點女性化(性別平等 僅客觀描述)  

其實答案就在這一句話當中

--馬總統他姓馬--

簡稱

--他.馬.馬(TA MA MA)--



報告完畢

2008-09-11 @ 16:54
迴響 from: aaaaa [訪問者]
的確啊,葉李華教授翻譯的基地系列與帝國系列都翻得很好啊~
2008-09-11 @ 16:57
迴響 from: 宅化中 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 鼎:一切有為法如夢幻泡影如露亦如電應作如是觀 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 宅化中 [訪問者]
To 鼎 ;
po 密碼吧
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很多人都質疑為什麼我們的馬總統總是那麼斯文

斯文到有點女性化(性別平等 僅客觀描述)  

其實答案就在這一句話當中

--馬總統他姓馬--

簡稱

--他.馬.馬(TA MA MA)--



報告完畢

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靠 ! 在看完之後我的血液瞬間凝結了 ...




真他媽的冰風暴 ...... 這麼冷的東西你也想得出來
2008-09-11 @ 17:00
迴響 from: 盧卡斯......陳亦迅的歌還滿耐聽的 [訪問者]
哈~ 鼎兄

我認同眾生都應該保持好奇心這一點,但是各人好奇心的方向因人而異
就好比歐巴桑跟少女好奇的東西不會是一樣的~ 瞭解我的意思嗎?

我們當然知道那是很好很棒的知識,但是生命自主最重要的一點就是
有自我意志,可以做選擇,當然可以被導引,但是最後的選擇權還是在自己
所以還是回到前一段,每個人好奇,或說,選擇想去了解的東西不一定一樣
就像我每次進書店我都很頭痛,我知道很多知識我想學習想了解
但是也想多看點文學類的來培養對文字的敏感度,又覺得該多了解一些新的
財經知識~ 結果最後可能受限於時間,可能只挑了其中兩本,這也是選擇

「大多數的人不好奇這世界真相嗎?大多數人不想在知道萬物因果後可讓自己心行如法行之獲大智慧大利益」
我想會好奇的,但是會真正有行動去追求真相的人,是選擇他們想要知道
這方面真相的人,我雖然好奇,但是並不會太刻意追求這方面的真相
因為,我比較入世吧,就算知道了,日子還是一樣過

另,我對政治比較冷感,所以不是對密碼很好奇就是了 XDD

2008-09-11 @ 17:03
迴響 from: 鼎:一切有為法如夢幻泡影如露亦如電應作如是觀 [訪問者]
靠 ! 在看完之後我的血液瞬間凝結了 ...
真他媽的冰風暴 ...... 這麼冷的東西你也想得出來
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嗯嗯 我是看了朱大上上篇我愛有柏中大家的回應才有的靈感

感謝大家
2008-09-11 @ 17:05
迴響 from: 鼎:一切有為法如夢幻泡影如露亦如電應作如是觀 [訪問者]
我認同眾生都應該保持好奇心這一點,但是各人好奇心的方向因人而異
就好比歐巴桑跟少女好奇的東西不會是一樣的~ 瞭解我的意思嗎?
我想會好奇的,但是會真正有行動去追求真相的人,是選擇他們想要知道
這方面真相的人,我雖然好奇,但是並不會太刻意追求這方面的真相
因為,我比較入世吧,就算知道了,日子還是一樣過
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先不論少女有天會變歐巴桑

只要您保持著對世界的好奇 不斷求知 最後還是會殊途同歸

但未必是這一世就見效就是了

ㄟ 您應該也看過駭客任務 就是這樣學習下去就對了
2008-09-11 @ 17:10
迴響 from: crazyzac [訪問者]
強子對撞照裡的筆電是微軟系統耶…

沒救了…這實驗…


確定為遵守三大定律的機器人留言
2008-09-11 @ 17:11
迴響 from: 盧卡斯......陳亦迅的歌還滿耐聽的 [訪問者]
噗~ PO完才看到密碼,真是好一記阿宅科科科啊~
2008-09-11 @ 17:13
迴響 from: 盧卡斯......陳亦迅的歌還滿耐聽的 [訪問者]
哈~ 我的確也知道所有好奇的追求最後都會殊途同歸

不過一直都覺得那都是理論~ 畢竟那個某一天實在太遠 對我有點不切實際

好奇心是一直有的~ 那就等待某天我們殊途同歸吧~
2008-09-11 @ 17:15
迴響 from: 鼎:一切有為法如夢幻泡影如露亦如電應作如是觀 [訪問者]
不過一直都覺得那都是理論~ 畢竟那個某一天實在太遠 對我有點不切實際
--所以才要實驗看看 當你實驗成功 就會產生信心 也就很實際不遙遠 其實 你目前只是沒興趣(緣) 謹記無緣不能渡 目前能與你在文字上結緣是因 未來有合作機會是果

好奇心是一直有的~ 那就等待某天我們殊途同歸吧~
--一定會滴 茫茫人海就您會回應我 見面之日不遠矣
2008-09-11 @ 17:20
迴響 from: 路過人 [訪問者]
既上篇的閃光彈

又推出高冷冰風暴

切~~~~~~~~~~~( ̄. ̄)



颱風要來了嗎?( ̄3 ̄)a 



2008-09-11 @ 17:22
迴響 from: baabuu-阿宅聚會照片請按右邊網址 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
什麼抱?
什麼血?
什麼噴?
什麼漿?
什麼體?

嘖嘖嘖嘖.......(搖頭)

完全不輸給那篇台灣親親與木驢啊.....
2008-09-11 @ 17:28
迴響 from: rune [訪問者]
今天朱大的......好長
2008-09-11 @ 17:41
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]
收到喜憨兒月餅了,謝謝朱大以及助理小姐還有提供的捧由。
2008-09-11 @ 17:50
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
莎菲多加油嚕~~~

Lucifer
2008-09-11 @ 18:10
迴響 from: Martian----中獎了~感謝n大人提供的餐劵! [訪問者]
果然是有颱風~

看完上面新進們的回應~
吹來一陣超級大冷風~

冷颼颼~

ㄎㄎㄎ~
2008-09-11 @ 18:31
迴響 from: 十代目 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/luke1989
看完這篇小說的節錄
更加深我對朱大的佩服
翻譯開放式課程的計畫太偉大了
而這卻沒獲得政府.學術機構.企業的支持
朱大真是讓人振奮的人
不時看看您的文章
就有股力量湧上來
讓我想提起幹勁
努力的在大學中學習
為這個社會做小小不起眼
卻大大不平凡的貢獻
又想起魔戒那四位小哈比人了...
2008-09-11 @ 19:06
迴響 from: COBHC [訪問者]
想問個私人問題

朱大你是不是都不用睡覺?
不然你如何在這麼輕的年紀完成這麼多事?



還是說,其實你不是人類.........
2008-09-11 @ 19:29
迴響 from: baabuu-阿宅聚會照片請按右邊網址 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
上禮拜在哈拉影城那邊有看到倒店貨絕版書

裡面就有漢聲版的機器人系列與基地系列
總共大概十幾本吧

可惜的是這兩個系列都不完整
每部書是都完整的,只是有缺幾部而已,
例如沒有機器人短篇XD

老闆說
原價七千
特價兩千八......
我到現在還在猶豫中. . . . .
(是的,我有收絕版書來跟朱大做對的隱性癖好.....)
2008-09-11 @ 19:41
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
要回答COBHC 的問題其實很簡單,我的成就算是很小的啦!

你看我又沒有創立設計公司,成為六年級膽識的代表,也沒有成為什麼幽由卡公司的董事長,跟他們比起來我算什麼哩~~~

Lucifer
2008-09-11 @ 19:58
迴響 from: UV [訪問者]

熱...
血.....





你你我我萬萬千千人人可以做的
(握拳)


(晃)

2008-09-11 @ 20:07
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
我來回報一下,中午左右收到月餅了。
謝謝提供月餅給我們抽獎的各位
謝謝抽到我的正妹助理
謝謝朱堅強大大提供了這個地方讓眾阿宅們可以在這裡玩耍

還有,喜憨兒的綠豆椪很好吃。
2008-09-11 @ 20:09
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: 鼎:一切有為法如夢幻泡影如露亦如電應作如是觀 [訪問者]
很多人都質疑為什麼我們的馬總統總是那麼斯文
斯文到有點女性化(性別平等 僅客觀描述)  
其實答案就在這一句話當中
--馬總統他姓馬--
簡稱
--他.馬.馬(TA MA MA)--
報告完畢
================================
我的血液瞬間凝結成冰..........囧"
2008-09-11 @ 20:38
迴響 from: 大豬豬 [訪問者]
果然是很長的一篇~~

知識的累積與分享,對人類是很重要的一件事

看看人類發展史就可以映證了,早期文明的進展還很慢,到了工業時代,就越來越快了,

到了現在網路時代,很多知識與觀念可能不用到一年就被更新了~~~

這又讓我想到「文明帝國」這個遊戲了~~~
2008-09-11 @ 20:54
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: 鼎:一切有為法如夢幻泡影如露亦如電應作如是觀 [訪問者]
很多人都質疑為什麼我們的馬總統總是那麼斯文
斯文到有點女性化(性別平等 僅客觀描述)  
其實答案就在這一句話當中
--馬總統他姓馬--
簡稱
--他.馬.馬(TA MA MA)--
報告完畢
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我的血液瞬間凝結成冰..........囧"
2008-09-11 @ 21:31
迴響 from: 失憶老人 [訪問者]
收到月餅,謝謝朱大及助理小姐
2008-09-11 @ 21:33
迴響 from: ckkc [訪問者]
沒記錯的話,畫熊貓妝那位女model是叫林葦茹吧~
才一天沒開電腦,朱大又火速發了二篇文
真是史上更新速度最快XD
2008-09-11 @ 21:47
迴響 from: 王中之王的王 [訪問者]
為什麼連上節目都要透過阿同伯婊媒體.....||||OTZ

昨天看上集感想是"王偉忠還蠻敬重你的"XD
2008-09-11 @ 22:10
迴響 from: 流浪鄉民-小米 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/max9797
說到"數學家"~

今天因故去看了ptt數學版的第一篇m文~

"1 m14 1/11 plover R: [問題] 請問1+1=2是如何證出來的"
ans:

We will proceed as follows: we define
0 = {}.

(吧啦)
(吧啦)
(吧啦)
(吧啦)
(吧啦)

把 n = 1 並且注意 2 = 1^+, 故 1 + 1 = 2.

END



原來這就是數學啊(-.-菸_§)
2008-09-11 @ 22:38
迴響 from: 天將奔烈 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 大豬豬 [訪問者]
果然是很長的一篇~~

知識的累積與分享,對人類是很重要的一件事

看看人類發展史就可以映證了,早期文明的進展還很慢,到了工業時代,就越來越快了,

到了現在網路時代,很多知識與觀念可能不用到一年就被更新了~~~

這又讓我想到「文明帝國」這個遊戲了~~~

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我想到的是"第三波" 這本書
2008-09-11 @ 22:58
迴響 from: 陷入沉思 .購物台 [訪問者]
“基地”---很有深意的小說…讓我陷入深思…

謝頓博士感覺很像星艦迷航記中耳朵尖尖的那位..叫外星人史巴克是吧…永遠冷靜..智慧超群...當大夥都沉淪時..只有他洞見幽微..不為境轉..適時地把被整得七葷八素的夥伴們救出來….小時候看這片子…就覺得..這號人物真不得了!宇宙生物中的極品!!...而容易迷亂的人類…顯得..脆弱….

“單一星球人類的心理史學趨勢擁有極大的慣性。要改變這趨勢必須要用相同慣性的力量來相抗衡。如果不是用同樣的人數來對抗,就是必須要以相對少數的人以極長的時間來改變。你明白這推論嗎?”

好像地球暖化(看過相關報導,絕大部分來自於太陽本身自燃溫度大幅提高..還有黑子問題等等,才會暖化這麼嚴重).....氣候丕變異常..來勢洶洶..沛然莫之能禦…害我可愛的北極熊快要沒地方住了(泣)..…感覺地球快掛點了…

但我心中還是有著希望。心淨國土淨…天不亡善良國度的群生….

朱大真的很厲害..做那麼多事情..又那摸會演講..又造福那麼多學子(跟宅宅兄弟姐妹…)...^^b…所以請您不要亂吃東西亂拉肚子..謝謝!...

Dear all ~~~晚安~~~

也希望我親愛的北極熊們…夜息時能有個安穩的落腳處…

2008-09-11 @ 23:03
迴響 from: Z.M. [訪問者] · http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/zong-ming/
知識與智慧 應該公開才能促進進步

但是也要那些握有主權的審判者
先進步到理解這一點並能夠去改變行為

否則就如同那些 不願面對的真相
明明事實都擺在眼前
也知道世界將要毀滅
許多國家與人民依然 絲毫無改變

最後那個受審的先知只會如同 蘇格拉底一般
2008-09-11 @ 23:22
迴響 from: 季彥 -> 煌熇 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/jeeyenspaintingblog
迴響來自: 宅化中 [訪問者]

很多人都質疑為什麼我們的馬總統總是那麼斯文

斯文到有點女性化(性別平等 僅客觀描述)  

其實答案就在這一句話當中

--馬總統他姓馬--

簡稱

--他.馬.馬(TA MA MA)--

===============================

...是我笑點很低嗎? 囧lll

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話說沒看過基地...

但是一看上面的小說就看到欲罷不能阿~
突然斷掉好囧阿~~~~!!!!!!!!
好想看...
沒錢先去圖書館借好了~~ のもの
(還欠圖書館罰金阿...
2008-09-11 @ 23:48
迴響 from: COBHC [訪問者]
看到有人提到地球暖化,
我想在此請大家看一下這一系列影片再對地球暖化下價值評判

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggaVcMu-5Q&feature=related

如果我是政治家,我將不知道該如何做才好,因為常常知識只是知識,它並不是真理....

不過我同意知識應該被公開,因為常常權力決定何為真理是因為某些知識公開的機會被剝奪了....

2008-09-11 @ 23:49
迴響 from: 季彥 -> 煌熇 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/jeeyenspaintingblog
忘了說

我迷上謝頓這個角色了!!!

2008-09-11 @ 23:50
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
希望在「不知結果在何時、甚至不知有沒有結果」的路途上,
總有許多的力量支持著我們所持的信念讓我們不覺得孤單,然後可以勇敢向前,
之前聽朱大的演講,我很喜歡「你的人生不會辜負你過去的每一分每一秒」這一句
(對不起我大約背不精確~~~)
所有的最後,都是一點一滴累積起來的結果,一個畫面一個聲音讓我們無時無刻不在累積
即使在累積的過程,有很多猶疑很多犯錯很多失意,也許要繞很多路才能想明白,
「結果」時時都會在的~~~
做了,一定有些什麼就改變了~/


希望朱大有一天把他翻譯完成~~
2008-09-12 @ 00:12
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
我覺得朱大在節目裡很蒼白
氣色不太好說~~

2008-09-12 @ 00:16
迴響 from: andywolfer [訪問者]
我看到這篇文章,感動的地方是會想把夢想變成開放式系統。

前面不少人看到文章很有興趣,但是我想到的是為了開放式系統要付出多少努力,現實是殘酷的,很多東西當成寶貝,但是沒人在乎。

只想說一句,加油
2008-09-12 @ 00:21
迴響 from: 簡尼夫。德萊尼 [訪問者] · http://www.gamebase.com.tw/mybase/kenneth1991/
呀~~~
每個月除了少賺$8000
又少賺多至少$5000



齋戒的簡尼夫…
Blades of Chaos!!!
面對現在
自己只能苦笑幾聲…
2008-09-12 @ 00:28
迴響 from: 毛毛 [訪問者]
翻譯科幻小說的篇章
真有寓意....^^
2008-09-12 @ 00:30
迴響 from: Angela => Planet 最愛科科笑的科幻女子 [訪問者]
敲碗!!

給我接續拜託(跪)
2008-09-12 @ 00:38
迴響 from: BB先生 [訪問者] · http://www.mrbbyang.com/blog
一開始覺得銀河帝國統治1萬億人人很誇張
不過算起來其實也只有166.6個地球左右的人口,好像也不多...^^"
2008-09-12 @ 01:13
迴響 from: steadyandgo [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/steadyandgo
朱大我知道 那是林葦茹!!
2008-09-12 @ 01:31
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
迴響來自: 簡尼夫。德萊尼 [訪問者] · http://www.gamebase.com.tw/mybase/kenneth1991/
呀~~~
每個月除了少賺$8000
又少賺多至少$5000

簡尼夫先生是學生就賺錢了,
真了不起~
唉~是不是很無奈呢。
加油唄

大家晚安了~~

(很想睡的vita)
2008-09-12 @ 01:42
迴響 from: 肉絲馬力 [訪問者]
to潛水夫:
果然還是你的意見好啊.......
下次宅聚朱豪宅應該可以開始義賣了!
不過只要10000塊就能享用朱大的肉體會不會太便宜了那些正妹?
是用台幣還是美金?
再胡扯下去不是被發吃屎卡就是被一拳打到地下室了.......
2008-09-12 @ 02:59
迴響 from: lulu [訪問者]

豪宅先生在大學生了沒
看起來一整個陷入放空狀態
錄影錄了多久阿?


2008-09-12 @ 06:08
迴響 from: lulu [訪問者]

看到公告文
覺得少了什麼
可以請豪宅先生註明一下時間和地址
及哪一樓哪一室嗎?

在高中的演講就算大家有空也去不了
校警不讓進

非高中的演講
也不曉得有沒有門禁

只有在大學的演講
大家都去得成

那可以請豪宅先生把自己的演講
拍下來放youtube 上嗎?
除非是已經有預定錄影播出的場次
否則主辦單位應該不會計較
更何況豪宅先生還是賠錢辦演講
對方更沒有立場計較了

至於拍攝人員
豪宅先生在這裡隨便吆喝一下
應該有幾個阿宅願意自備DV
免費當豪宅先生的錄影義工

既然是豪宅先生的助理
跟著出入各高中自然不成問題
這樣的好康應該有夠多人要報名啦
帶兩三個錄影助理出巡
多威呀
考慮一下吧


2008-09-12 @ 06:10
迴響 from: 麗姬媽 [訪問者]
好精彩的小說!
2008-09-12 @ 08:16
迴響 from: TLHC [訪問者] · http://www.game.idv.tw
9/24那場我報名了~
地點位置很多(阿宅不知多不知就是了)

不過下午2點的演講會不會想睡呀@@
當天可俸送寶山包,如果不克前住
會請大奶"正妹"送去
(反正報名又不用錢,先報先贏)
2008-09-12 @ 08:42
迴響 from: FIGHT [訪問者]
基地啊!

看來該去買來觀賞。

雖然目前的目標是牧師五部曲,

黑暗精靈也還沒收齊...

2008-09-12 @ 10:16
迴響 from: 繞口令購物台 [訪問者]

這段蠻繞舌的…但我很喜歡~ ~

山後有座廟
天天貓來尿
不知是貓尿廟
還是妙尿貓

來來來…換您了..…. 最愛用來試有”標準台灣國語”腔的朋友

…ㄎㄎㄎ…粉好笑喔…^^...不信您試試….
2008-09-12 @ 11:05
迴響 from: smallsand [訪問者]
『孤單無緣』是不是『孤單無援』的筆誤阿?
2008-09-12 @ 11:58
迴響 from: suno [訪問者]
小弟對Holst Centre非常有興趣
不知朱大是否方便告知工研院這本翻譯書的原著或翻譯書名?
又 上面設計獎那張圖裡面的作品是07年法蘭克福車展賓士區
有興趣可看 http://www.markgraph.de/cms/index.html
感謝朱大啦~~
2008-09-12 @ 14:08
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
對這本書有興趣的人可以聯絡工研院:他只有四百本,可能甚至不會上市。

yiyi.fan@itri.org.tw

Lucifer
2008-09-12 @ 17:03
迴響 from: eugenegx [訪問者]
朱大真是強悍...
只是放出了一小段基地就能讓大家對科幻刮目相看

...其實我所屬社團是某科幻社...
話說今天社團聯展的時候雖然有二十幾個人對科幻有興趣...
但是聽完介紹後在背地裡嘲笑我們的不知道有幾百人啊~~哭哭
科幻明明就是好東西...在美國和日本更是如此
但是在台灣只被當成宅來嘲笑!!好生氣啊~~
難怪台灣的創意跟未來發展性不如人家啊...哭哭
2008-09-12 @ 21:44
迴響 from: bachfugue [訪問者]
基地是我最喜歡的科幻小說,
架構上來說比機器人系列還宏大,

故事的基本模型是羅馬帝國的衰亡史,
Asimov的創見是加入了"心靈史學"的概念,
就是一種心靈的動力統計學,
嘗試去影響歷史的發展,

這本書裡, 描寫的最好的就是新文明的起源和演化,
前進基地加入了心理學的概念,
第二基地加入了控制系統的觀念,
想看的人, 建議直接從"基地"這本書開始,
其他的前傳後傳都只是補充和延伸這個核心故事而已,

另外, 謝頓博士其實就是艾西摩夫的自我投射...

希望宅神有機會翻譯全套,
2008-09-13 @ 02:23
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
山後有座廟
天天喵來尿
不知是貓尿廟
還是妙妙喵

>>我唸出來便這樣 哈哈


我想讀"基地",早已耳聞許久
去拜大神買一本英文的好了..

只是
這本小說專有名詞量,不知能不能負荷 @@
2008-09-13 @ 02:55
迴響 from: bachfugue [訪問者]
>帝國的瓦解不是因為知識的缺乏, 已有的知識也不能阻止帝國毀滅, 為什麼>保存這些知識可以縮短人類的"黑暗時期"呢?
>人類能不能幸福, 重點在於有沒有知識嗎 ?
這裡要稍微解釋一下,
基地的帝國模型是古羅馬帝國,

西羅馬最後被蠻族徹底毀滅,
中世紀的黑暗宗教統治,
把當初的希臘羅馬的文明知識完全銷毀,

當初羅馬就有近代的高速公路, 里程碑和休息站,
每個大城市裡都有上下水道系統, 劇院, 競技場..
這些在中世紀完全消失...

要不是當初阿拉伯百年翻譯運動,
西歐又花了百年翻譯回來,
文藝復新時代不會來臨,
近代西方文明也不會高速展開.

這就是謝頓明面上保存知識的理由...
2008-09-13 @ 02:59
迴響 from: 台灣格以 [訪問者]
迴響來自: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
山後有座廟
天天喵來尿
不知是貓尿廟
還是妙妙喵

>>我唸出來便這樣 哈哈
----------------------------------
真的耶....哈哈哈....
2008-09-13 @ 09:05
迴響 from: 大寒民國高力人生正關莊 [訪問者]

根據本莊數日來縝密嚴謹觀察:

謝頓博士確實具有ㄏㄢˊ國人血統..

而全民運動-烤肉合家歡-源自於ㄏㄢˊ國民間運動..
2008-09-13 @ 09:10
迴響 from: 天將奔烈 [訪問者]
這篇讓我想到台灣的未來........
2008-09-13 @ 21:53
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: 天將奔烈 [訪問者]
這篇讓我想到台灣的未來........
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請問閣下是指那個"一萬兩千年"的部份嗎XD?
2008-09-14 @ 00:11
迴響 from: 失憶老人 [訪問者]
我想到的是「亞特蘭提斯」。
傳說在一萬兩千年前就建立高度文明的古帝國,科學家已能控制氣溫和水,並進而想要控制四大元素:風、水、火、土;最後造成地殼變異,地震、水災使亞特蘭提斯陸沉……

如果亞特蘭提斯當時的文明知識有留存下來,是否現今的人類不用再繞那麼多遠路,早已能探索更多的星球、更遠的銀河系?
是否科幻小說落伍的速度,會比現在淘汰電腦組件更快?

但這一定是好的嗎?

雖然科技的發展,使人類生活更便利,但我們忘了很重要的一件事:
心靈,才是決定一切的主宰。
歷史告訴我們,發展極致的文明社會,最終常因逸樂、貪腐(好熟的字眼)走向滅亡…
如果保存了完整的文明知識,
如果我們最終也因種種原因滅亡了,
如果代我們而起的新人類發現了這些知識,
如果他們因運用這些知識而導致快速的發展……

他們會加速走向滅亡嗎?
還是他們的心靈會比我們更堅毅?
也許,
他們將會撿拾我們的化石、拼湊我們的骸骨、揣測我們的生活…
然後,
得出一個結論:



「人類主宰地球,靠的是運氣好!」

(嗚嗚嗚……好悲啊…我不知所云了…)

2008-09-14 @ 10:55
迴響 from: WILL [訪問者]
基地系列真的是超讚的小說
2008-09-14 @ 12:07
迴響 from: kaws30 [訪問者]
以前拇指文庫(沒記錯吧)就有出版過艾西莫夫的基地系列跟機器人系列不是?
朱大還要翻譯一次?
2008-09-14 @ 13:07
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
kaws30 [訪問者]
以前拇指文庫(沒記錯吧)就有出版過艾西莫夫的基地系列跟機器人系列不是?
朱大還要翻譯一次?


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魔戒在朱大翻譯之前也有兩間出版社翻譯過托爾金的魔戒跟小矮子歷險記不是?(其中有一間還是聯經)
朱大還不是再翻譯一次?

-------------------------------
不同人翻會有不同的風格
以魔戒來說
朱大版的註譯/解說等輔助閱讀的部份就做的很詳細,
前兩個版本就沒有
朱大版的龍槍系列據說也是這樣,
我朋友就非常喜歡有輔助閱讀的版本...

所以....還挺期待朱大版的艾西莫朱系列.....
2008-09-14 @ 13:55
迴響 from: SillyDuck [訪問者]
+1 我想再看一次朱大翻譯的艾西莫夫

覺得拇指翻譯的比較沒有小說的張力
2008-09-14 @ 21:40
迴響 from: 9531028 [訪問者]
請問朱大這篇你貼的Holst Centre那兩張書的照片的書名是什麼?
我想買ˊˋ
2008-09-15 @ 04:14
迴響 from: 天將奔烈 [訪問者]
迴響來自: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: 天將奔烈 [訪問者]
這篇讓我想到台灣的未來........
==============
請問閣下是指那個"一萬兩千年"的部份嗎XD?

----------------------------------------------

呵呵 我指未來30年
2008-09-15 @ 12:45
迴響 from: Jeff [訪問者]
朱大果然勇氣可佳,挑了一個冷到底的概念,估計這篇跟主題有關的回應應該是破新低 -- 即使這裡是國父紀念館。

有多冷?COH(City Of Hero)算是網路遊戲的代表作之一,國內似乎連個影都沒有,商人不做賠本生意吧?

小的對基地三部曲的最早印像似乎是來自學校圖書館中「星際出版社」(黑色封面,出版社名稱應該不對,請見諒,那是屬於「前」網路時代),可能是閱讀習慣的關係,以翻譯的流暢度而言,小的認為星際出版社 > 葉李華 > 朱大,當然,這樣的比較不盡公平,朱大的只是初稿,而初戀永遠最美。
2008-09-15 @ 13:03
迴響 from: baabuu-阿宅聚會照片請按右邊網址 [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
就是這個光....

果然就是19本
http://ansonbook.myweb.hinet.net/hs27.htm
http://www.ansonbook.com.tw/detail.asp?bookno=0420

http://ansonbook.myweb.hinet.net/index.htm
現金價10260 特價2200

購買圖書滿1000元免運費,低於1000元自付運費100元(限台灣本島)。


呼呼~~還好還沒去哈拉影城買~~
2008-09-15 @ 13:29
迴響 from: rainny [訪問者] · http://blog.xuite.net/rainnylin/blog
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