朱恐龍
朱恐龍

媽的! (23858 views)
     

我今天信箱收到一封信。

這件事情我已經不只被煩過一次了。

Follow up:

To:阿宅萬事通事務所所長-朱學恆

你好!
我是PChome新聞台台長艾姬
不好意思,很冒昧這是我第一次發信給你
也可能是最後一次
你如果覺得不贊同我們的理念沒關係
但我請求你看完這封信
謝謝!

今日聽聞我的朋友小兒說,她曾寫信給你
請你支持聲援由我所發起的抗議色情守門員連署活動
但是收到你"熱血沒有燃燒"的回覆
我不知道這是不是等於"冷血"的意思?
如果是的話,那真是讓人非常失望
原來朱大就和大部分的人氣部落客一樣
私下喊加油喊得很大聲,但或許顧及不敢得罪中華電信這樣的大財團
所以選擇不公開表態?

(信件囉哩八縮加以刪除)

如果你看完以上的連結,
仍然覺得除了加油和支持之外沒有什麼好回應的
我還是謝謝你,在這個抗議的過程中給了我更深沉的體悟
何春蕤教授勉勵我:德不孤,必有鄰
可惜我在所謂的指標性人氣部落客身上,尚未找到任何人有道德勇氣
我以為你會是第一個...


冷漠就是毒藥,縱容就是幫兇


祝 好

本人的回應很簡單。你那文章我根本沒看完。

我沒有燃燒熱血的事情只能說加油。

你以為我這邊是觀世音菩薩有求必應大雄寶殿喔?



至於我要不要得罪大財團輪不到你來說。

我在得罪大財團的時候有要求你來支援嗎?

我家分離式冷氣現在每天晚上壞掉會在房間漏水,搞的我晚上睡不好,你不來幫我修冷氣是不是也是冷漠的幫兇!(害我現在搞了個水桶在房間接水!)

Lucifer

你自己不檢討一下自己的態度,趾高氣揚拿你家的事情來煩我,我們阿宅在受到壓迫的時候你在哪裡?

送你個加油還嫌不夠,那就叫你吃自己吧!

我生平最恨有人管我部落格寫什麼東西!

送你一個字,滾!

除了責備這種寄到我信箱的垃圾信之外,當然我們還是要感謝攝影大濕Hardworking~~~

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迴響(1404)

迴響 from: ryan [訪問者]
科 有求必應大雄寶殿
2008-09-18 @ 23:58
迴響 from: beth [訪問者]
猶豫著要不要放棄貳香,或者說些無厘頭的話... 應該已經落到十名外了吧...
2008-09-19 @ 00:02
迴響 from: Steven [訪問者]
哇 朱大生氣了
2008-09-19 @ 00:02
迴響 from: coffee [訪問者]
第一次排到前十名,有獎品嗎?
2008-09-19 @ 00:04
迴響 from: 私心 [訪問者]
朱大加油!
2008-09-19 @ 00:04
迴響 from: 大方羊 [訪問者]
滾得好!
2008-09-19 @ 00:05
迴響 from: 卡倫斯 [訪問者]
沒讓別人的熱血燃燒
自己要檢討咩~

下次寄得要附美女圖+更有意義的內容啊!
2008-09-19 @ 00:06
迴響 from: WILL [訪問者]
YA~~~超前面的
2008-09-19 @ 00:07
迴響 from: CCC [訪問者]
說的好....
滾!!
2008-09-19 @ 00:09
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者]
閱畢!
2008-09-19 @ 00:11
迴響 from: 簡尼夫。德萊尼 [訪問者] · http://www.gamebase.com.tw/mybase/kenneth1991/
朱大叔
幹得好!!!



齋戒的Beotos…
Blades of Chaos!!!
不能像以前的自在…
2008-09-19 @ 00:11
迴響 from: ping [訪問者]
WOW
PChome新聞台台長耶
嚇鼠人了,宅宅們趕快躲起來哦
2008-09-19 @ 00:12
迴響 from: A.P.O.C. [訪問者]
看是看完了,不知道對方是要幹嘛的!!來欠罵的吧!@!!
2008-09-19 @ 00:12
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
我有點看不太懂那個台長到底想要什麼耶= =

2008-09-19 @ 00:17
迴響 from: under [訪問者]
朱大還在燃燒呢 火氣真大0.0

這寫信的傢伙也寫的有點白目 好像人家欠他的一樣 阿宅最討厭被別人趾高氣昂的要求東要求西了
2008-09-19 @ 00:18
迴響 from: cchien [訪問者] · http://blog.pixnet.net/cchien

那個台長搞的好像某些宗教團體強迫人家捐錢一樣 ="=|||

2008-09-19 @ 00:22
迴響 from: barber [訪問者]
沒錯,

朱大真的得了不得罪人會死的病………
2008-09-19 @ 00:23
迴響 from: Maoke Jackson [訪問者] · http://dtxmaker.blogspot.com
滾得好!
2008-09-19 @ 00:25
迴響 from: S. Peter [訪問者]

「你以為我這邊是觀世音菩薩有求必應大雄寶殿喔?」

我想這是身材跟圓滾滾髮型造成的誤會……阿彌陀佛~~

也不會弄張正妹照放在信開頭當作自拍照,笨。沒事用HINET更笨(嫌自己網站被擋,讓人看不到者除外)……

話說回來,朱大每次都弄張超大圖,守門員怎麼還沒把萬事屋列為拒絕往來戶?


2008-09-19 @ 00:25
迴響 from: 札幌拉麵 [訪問者]
罵的好!
拜託別人是用這種態度的嗎?
好像不幫忙就是壞人似的
2008-09-19 @ 00:26
迴響 from: swanky [訪問者] · http://swanbear.blogspot.com/
我最近也有收到Hinet的電話
不過我蠻懷疑那能夠檔掉什麼東西
可能把無名也檔掉嗎??? XD
2008-09-19 @ 00:27
迴響 from: 摳B不來恩 [訪問者]

嫌守門員礙事,就想辦法找漏洞破解呀~
若不濟,網上也有許多熱血的有"種"哥們
願意義務充當色情領航員的勒~~
2008-09-19 @ 00:31
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
媽的你們這些冷漠的幫兇!回文沒有一個人提到怎麼修冷氣漏水的!

冷漠就是毒藥,縱容就是幫兇!

Lucifer

你們這些又毒又幫兇的混蛋!

2008-09-19 @ 00:34
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
"熱血沒有燃燒"
"是不是等於"冷血"的意思?"

---------------------------
當然不等於冷血阿~~
沒有燃燒的熱血,只是沒有燒起來而已阿

已經用"熱"來形容"血"了
這個血當然不會是冷的啊....

如果朱大說"熱血沒有高於攝氏25度"
那這個就有可能是冷血的意思了
2008-09-19 @ 00:38
迴響 from: crazyzac [訪問者]
哈哈哈…這是朱大最近好笑又簡短的文…

對了,恭喜朱大上了蘋果…

對了again,左邊那個的睫毛很好笑…

kukuku...
2008-09-19 @ 00:41
迴響 from: 過路人 [訪問者]
朱大

良心的建議


趕快找水電行吧


說不定水電行老闆有看朱大的部落格喔....




另外,那台長的口氣還真的很差

怎麼幹到台長的,原來是做新聞的.......應該是記者吧.......
2008-09-19 @ 00:41
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
媽的你們這些冷漠的幫兇!回文沒有一個人提到怎麼修冷氣漏水的!

冷漠就是毒藥,縱容就是幫兇!

Lucifer

你們這些又毒又幫兇的混蛋!


==============================================

阿那個漏水就讓他漏阿

反正環保局也沒再抓

2008-09-19 @ 00:41
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
等一下,我剛剛眼殘

水是漏在裡面阿@@

那就要找水電行了= =
2008-09-19 @ 00:42
迴響 from: JJ [訪問者]

看了這篇
今天終於有笑了
我要冷漠的開心睡覺了
2008-09-19 @ 00:45
迴響 from: Rick-第一次回文1 [訪問者]
分離式漏水的可能

1. 軟管鬆脫 (打開面板,就會看到漏斗)

2. 軟管塞住

3.排水管角度的問題

4.其它 (請洽冷氣師父)
2008-09-19 @ 00:45
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
冷凍空調科的請自行出列....
2008-09-19 @ 00:48
迴響 from: 小蔡 [訪問者]
朱大果然是指標性人物,
連色情守門員等等的事也要找你。

不過你家冷氣壞了,就修呀!(多簡單的方式)
我這邊有一批冷氣很便宜的,有需要打這支電話給我。(遞名片中~~)
2008-09-19 @ 00:49
迴響 from: 橘子特務 [訪問者]
這個人也太自以為是
憑甚麼別人一定要響應他的活動
建議朱大可以把『滾』字可以再放大一點
2008-09-19 @ 00:50
迴響 from: JJ [訪問者]
請新聞台台長先幫你發個新聞稿
都是颱風害你的冷氣漏水
甚至引發宅氣爆衝形成宅氣流
然後要求政府照顧
換台冷氣吧

我該睡了
亂扯一堆
2008-09-19 @ 00:51
迴響 from: Danann [訪問者]
不知道朱大冷氣是多久之前的??

根據之前修過水電的經驗

先檢查是不是水管接頭老化破掉或鬆脫了

通常問題是出在這裡


再不然真的要去請專家來看看了
2008-09-19 @ 00:53
迴響 from: jhpeng [訪問者] · http://www.jhpeng.com/
看完了,熱血沒有燃燒。

2008-09-19 @ 01:07
迴響 from: 斯帕達姆 [訪問者]
滾過來,又滾過去拉
2008-09-19 @ 01:13
迴響 from: 18公分 [訪問者]
色情守門員是當不住阿宅的

2008-09-19 @ 01:13
迴響 from: 路過的 [訪問者]
迴響來自: Rick-第一次回文1 [訪問者]
分離式漏水的可能

1. 軟管鬆脫 (打開面板,就會看到漏斗)

2. 軟管塞住

3.排水管角度的問題


大部份都是這三種問題
打電話叫修很快很簡單的
2008-09-19 @ 01:36
迴響 from: RR [訪問者] · http://roseroo.spaces.live.com/
好久不見的圓餅突變成好大一個滾字........

另外可以伸信件原文嗎?


對了,冷氣漏水的修法是:




























不要開冷氣(~ ̄▽ ̄~)
2008-09-19 @ 01:36
迴響 from: 迷失的阿德 [訪問者]
修冷氣漏水阿 防漏好招數 -------[不開冷氣]
2008-09-19 @ 01:39
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
我這邊比較本土,
本宮是開漳聖王廟,

林北有求必應啦!!!
PChome新聞台台長艾姬~我來幫你連署,何如??

ㄎㄎㄎㄎㄎ
2008-09-19 @ 01:39
迴響 from: 聽說「松島楓」現正在台北旅遊… [訪問者]
據說落腳「大直」附近會館…
2008-09-19 @ 01:42
迴響 from: 迷失的阿德 [訪問者]
為了打擊不合理的"色情守門員",來寫個"色情領航員"吧!

呵呵.....
2008-09-19 @ 01:43
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
她家文章我也看不完,
因為有邏輯與道德上需要探究的地方。
小弟我也沒被說服啦。



2008-09-19 @ 01:44
迴響 from: cchien [訪問者] · http://blog.pixnet.net/cchien

朱大你可以call台灣水電工阿賢幫你修冷氣 kerker

2008-09-19 @ 01:48
迴響 from: cchien [訪問者] · http://blog.pixnet.net/cchien

對了,那個松島楓已經回日本了
所以眾宅鬥士們不要再盲目地去堵她了

2008-09-19 @ 01:51
迴響 from: claudck [訪問者]
真是道貌岸然的一封性啊~~
如果是我要說服朱大加入, 肯定附上美女圖並說
"這些好東西我們自己私藏就好, 麻煩你幫忙不讓別人看"
2008-09-19 @ 01:52
迴響 from: 阿祥 [訪問者] · http://www.axiang.idv.tw
推…色情領航員…等阿德寫一個來XD…
2008-09-19 @ 01:53
迴響 from: 小宋 [訪問者]
為了節能減碳 做環保
朱大還是把冷氣關了吧
還可以省下一筆維修費
ㄎㄎ~~
2008-09-19 @ 01:58
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephealien
修冷氣啊

請找穿越時空回到三國救甘興的全國電子~


========================

我相信各位要嘛就用痞克幫或blogspot或是爛無名(因為對我而言比較簡單使用)

要嘛就學朱大一樣自己架部落格

實際上劈C轟新聞台也是個部落格而已

所以

各位不要被那好像很響亮的名稱唬住了
2008-09-19 @ 02:03
迴響 from: 賣宅的朱厚宅 [訪問者]
新聞台阿貓阿狗都可以開,那傢伙不一定是記者

要連署怎麼不去西門町或台北車道擺攤?人又多效果又快

還不用求

自己不肯付出什麼代價就要求別人幫忙,真是不會做人

起碼擺一桌再說
2008-09-19 @ 02:05
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephealien
補充:


那個愛雞自稱他自己開的新聞台

http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/news/cfsagnes





2008-09-19 @ 02:07
迴響 from: 科科鹿 [訪問者]
朱大加油阿
總是有一堆女生明明就不正...
偏偏自以為很正很有正義感...媽的...
每次都這樣搞....
管他是愛雞,愛鴨,還是愛神豬...
都不可以這樣侮蔑我們阿宅王國的神啦..
朱大這篇寫的好阿...心有同感
2008-09-19 @ 02:20
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephealien
另外補充


抵制嗨捏守門員的方法




就是換成彎彎大寬頻
(被打...)
2008-09-19 @ 02:26
迴響 from: 於兒 [訪問者]
朱大 帥呦!
2008-09-19 @ 02:34
迴響 from: 發了胖的羅密歐 [訪問者]
冷氣漏水幹麻要修
修好了
吹冷氣又要放盆水在房內避免空氣乾燥

更~~~
沒事找事做
2008-09-19 @ 02:40
迴響 from: 不小心認真了起來 [訪問者]
關於此事件, 這邊有個某部落格主十分佛心地寫了篇評論(個人覺得滿中肯的), 然後被一堆台長筆戰的案發現場 http://blog.libraene.com/2008/07/29/467 誰是誰非(或是誰的blog廣告連結比較多..)自在人心啊
2008-09-19 @ 02:58
迴響 from: iswave [訪問者]
我比較喜歡左邊那個。
2008-09-19 @ 03:52
迴響 from: gp99000 [訪問者]
常看到那種用自以為客觀的冷靜態度來表達純粹偏狹的主觀

看了一陣子吼,就會發現朱大有多麼的可愛,揪咪~
2008-09-19 @ 03:53
迴響 from: oskar-自從一見桃花後,直至如今更不疑 [訪問者]
不過 被鎖 為什麼要抗議啊???

挺好笑的耶
2008-09-19 @ 04:16
迴響 from: Leslie Lee [訪問者]
何春蕤的信徒嘛....(科科這樣是不是一次得罪兩個,看來我的引戰能力也不差)
2008-09-19 @ 04:23
迴響 from: oskar-自從一見桃花後,直至如今更不疑 [訪問者]
Libraene
寫得非常棒
文字精煉 條理分明 邏輯清楚 論點客觀
幾乎也沒有贅字
非常棒的文章

大家可以看看他的下面回應文
寫得真的不錯
2008-09-19 @ 04:25
迴響 from: oskar-自從一見桃花後,直至如今更不疑 [訪問者]
http://blog.libraene.com/2008/07/29/467 這傢伙 中文真得寫得好棒

比照起來
愛雞的中文信 寫得真是太差勁了
如果他真的是記者
我可以請他重修中文 跟多修幾堂作文課嗎?

(說不定她會放大絕 叫我一起重修呢)
2008-09-19 @ 05:23
迴響 from: Simparn [訪問者]
查IP大絕嗎XD...
2008-09-19 @ 05:37
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
其實那個守門員

很好騙= =
2008-09-19 @ 06:10
迴響 from: COBHC [訪問者]
激進地想打破某種權威時其實是在建立另一種權威..........
2008-09-19 @ 06:29
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephealien
迴響來自: Simparn [訪問者]
查IP大絕嗎XD...




這不是mini的大絕嗎?
2008-09-19 @ 07:34
迴響 from: Nefertiti [訪問者]
之前我家的分離式冷氣也會漏水,
水電師父來裝了個小小的抽水機,
把排不出去的水抽出去,以後就不再漏了,
但每次開冷氣都會有抽水馬逹的聲音...
2008-09-19 @ 07:38
迴響 from: linfavourite [訪問者] · http://linfavourite.blogspot.com
“你以為我這邊是觀世音菩薩有求必應大雄寶殿喔?”

这句好!

找人帮忙本来就应该做好心理准备:人家帮你是可怜你,人家不帮才是应该的!

可惜这个世界上还是很多人不了解这点……
2008-09-19 @ 08:10
迴響 from: 高雄一哥 [訪問者]
不敢開留言...
被她騙到人氣了...(無所謂)
愛雞的話就去養幾隻啊!XD
2008-09-19 @ 08:15
迴響 from: 不要讓我有能力站起來 [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/kmvsnm
阿哈哈哈哈,小叮噹的雕像真的很讚!

有理想和自以為正義,真的是兩件事
為什麼,總是有自以為正義的人,覺得自己是有理想的呢???
2008-09-19 @ 08:19
迴響 from: 哈哈 [訪問者]
色情守門員有什麼不好
是小孩子在抗議嗎?
2008-09-19 @ 08:22
迴響 from: TLHC [訪問者] · http://www.game.idv.tw
阿宅是不會管人家家的事的~
冷氣漏尿~就`找水電來看看吧
我是不會修要不就幫你修了~
漏尿小事啦
有看過房間內有引水道的嗎?
這才是阿宅
今天來去拍給大家看~
有圖有真相
2008-09-19 @ 08:22
迴響 from: 哈哈 [訪問者]
滾..艾姬,掰
2008-09-19 @ 08:25
迴響 from: 貓爸 [訪問者]
哦哦~管他,被擋就掛SSL-TUNNEL出去就好,我就不相信他有辦法封鎖

這樣弄的好像在學大陸的GFW資訊萬里長城一樣...中華電信是白痴嗎?
2008-09-19 @ 08:31
迴響 from: cmi [訪問者]
想了解過程的可以去看上幾樓提到的Libraene所寫的文章
http://blog.libraene.com/2008/07/29/467

看完了就大概知道是在爭什麼了
至於那個艾姬的什麼台就不用開來看了
不用去幫他增加人氣
信件寫成那樣,文章我也不想看了
2008-09-19 @ 08:42
迴響 from: 松鼠 [訪問者] · http://tec730721.blogspot.com/
個人解讀
"熱血沒有燃燒"=關我屁事

我用hinet也不會去申請這項服務阿XD
我還想用宅net 色情領航員呢

而且 該台長的文字真的不吸引人
--
Libraene 真的寫的很好
戰況一面倒阿
2008-09-19 @ 08:53
迴響 from: Venaisha../正咩...??? - 希望一切都是我多想蛤!! [訪問者]

冷氣漏水為什麼不叫廠商來修..= =???
2008-09-19 @ 09:04
迴響 from: 飛 [訪問者]
【滾】得好,朱大加油.
2008-09-19 @ 09:07
迴響 from: 斯 [訪問者]
老實說瞄了一下那封信的內容後,在下只想說一句就是樹大招風,為何那位艾X只找高人氣的部落格呢?還不是因為衝著樓瀏覽的人多,但是也可見她對於默默無名的部落格是視而不見的,當人對於捐款只向有錢人並且達到所要求的金額以上才接受,而不捐的人是冷血,這不是很怪嗎?(以上都不是重點,重點是阿母~我滴家啦)
2008-09-19 @ 09:10
迴響 from: 耗子 [訪問者]
簡單的說就是她寫了一篇文章(標題有情慾...)
被守門員列入黑名單所以不爽
開始連署要找中華電信碴

假公濟私 沒什麼好說的
2008-09-19 @ 09:19
迴響 from: 摸生 [訪問者]
這年頭開口請他人幫忙的人, 即便不需要低聲下氣..
但也理直氣壯到一整個驚人的程度..科科~
2008-09-19 @ 09:33
迴響 from: 海琴魔 [訪問者] · http://skiseiju.blogspot.com
我覺得很有趣的是
現代人都在討論網路色情的問題,然後推出色情守門員的黑net被罵的要死
怎麼以前沒有人在第四台要看鎖碼台時,會出來抗議說鎖碼台(解碼器)要收錢?


我還是同意那句話:你們有想過做父母的心情嗎?
2008-09-19 @ 09:39
迴響 from: 路過人 [訪問者]
朱老大

根據小的之前修冷氣的經驗跟您報告 冷氣會漏水最容易發生的原因就是排水不良

最簡單的方法就是拆開冷氣機的殼(請記得拔掉插頭,否則英年早逝就不好了)

巡管線去找出排水的地方 通常就可以看到問題出在哪了

可能情況:解決辦法
1.出水孔堵塞:被人堵起來、被葉子堵住、被隔壁老王的貓屁眼塞住....清理掉障礙物即可
2.排水管線破裂:輕微的拿膠帶捆一捆,嚴重的就要找人換管
3.排水管彎曲擋水:不明原因把管子扭曲、對摺導致堵住,請找超自然現象小組來研究....

( ̄0  ̄)y
2008-09-19 @ 09:40
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
拜託,PCHOME新聞台台長,說白話一點,就是PCHOME的部落格啦!
只是換個名稱好聽一點而已,他不是記者,也不是什麼了不起的人物,就只是一個沒啥人氣又愛靠腰的死部落客而已

各位阿宅,這種女人就是典型電腦壞掉找阿宅修,修好後跑去跟帥哥約會然後嫌阿宅不好的那種,不理他是對的!

中華電信的色情守門原有什麼好抗議的,他又沒強迫你裝,他打電話來你就跟他說「我他媽的整天看A片」就好了啊!

最後我想請問一下艾姬,你有沒有寄卡片給吳道源警員?如果沒有,你他媽的沒資格說別人冷漠!

滾回火星吧!地球是很危險的!
2008-09-19 @ 09:45
迴響 from: 冷血輪 [訪問者]
看完連署說明
的確讓人熱血不起來咧....
2008-09-19 @ 09:47
迴響 from: 歲歲平安 [訪問者]
不支持我就是冷血

不支持我就是不愛呆丸

好像哦。
2008-09-19 @ 09:47
迴響 from: MOCCA [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/andesmocca20
其心可議,其心可誅!
2008-09-19 @ 09:47
迴響 from: 丁 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/dses5621
他朋友的小兒?
所以是個未滿18的小朋友?

PChome新聞台台長?
所以是PChome自己被封鎖在不爽?

我早滿18了
可是因為我弟的關西
我家也是封鎖阿
難道要讓10初歲的小孩子接觸成人文化?

不要模糊焦點了
監護人的意願關中華電信屁事?
中華電信只是提供服務
妳怎麼不叫你朋友的小兒跟自己家長溝通?

更何況你號招大家 推動活動
妳怎麼不檢討是不是自己想法有問題
或是做法有問題?
為什麼有的人不認同 不能跟著你燃燒熱血?
沒有自覺的人 悲哀阿

滾!
2008-09-19 @ 09:49
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
此外,如果被中華電信列為色情網站,那是你自己要檢討,為什麼這世界上這麼多BLOG,就你被列為色情網站?而整天貼大張美女圖然後一堆阿宅對著電腦科科笑的BLOG卻沒事?

人必自侮而後人侮之(我不期望以你的程度能懂這句話,但我還是送給你,阿宅夠寬宏大量了吧!)
2008-09-19 @ 09:50
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
朱大
你的冷氣問題我也遇過,很有可能是排水孔堵住,因為一些棉絮或是空氣中的髒東西積久了造成的,建議您可以去看一下,把排水孔清一清,可能就「不藥而癒」了
2008-09-19 @ 09:53
迴響 from: Juan [訪問者] · http://j.cards.twirc.org
剛剛去查了一下
原來申請一個來嘮叨用的 blog
就會變成台長..

早就說台灣人喜歡 Title..
有 Title 講話就會變大聲

難怪以前的公司, 副總的數量快要比作業員還多

冷氣漏水的解決方法很簡單吧
就是







科科
2008-09-19 @ 09:54
迴響 from: 不曉得 [訪問者]
我也覺得是態度的問題

有求於人還這麼高姿態

至少要拿出點誠意滿足阿宅們的胃口

像是隨信附上幾張能代表夏天感覺的台長照片

說不定馬上就能引起大家的共鳴,整個燃燒起來了...

滾 and 加油~
2008-09-19 @ 09:55
迴響 from: 潛水夫 - 我想穿OOPS跟宅鬥士的T-Shirt [訪問者]
還加油咧!

天曉得她會不會來這看,來的話,就送她一個字
2008-09-19 @ 10:01
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
給愛姬:

當年尼安德塔人被智人消滅的時候你有站出來說句公道話嗎?
2008-09-19 @ 10:04
迴響 from: Alfie [訪問者] · http://alfie1980.blogspot.com/
滿口仁義道德只會讓人聽了難過。
治不了病也要不了命的...
2008-09-19 @ 10:09
迴響 from: 盧卡斯......捲袖子準備來跟客戶來一場..... [訪問者]
嗯~ 首先~ 我朋友會修冷氣漏水耶~ 有需要請跟我說

另外,其實我偶爾會去那個部落格看
以成人角度而言,那文章露骨的程度還真是.....只能隔靴搔癢,配中飯還可以啦
那邊發生的事情其實說白了就是跟電影分級一樣,要不要列為限制級這種問題

所以每個人有每個人的觀點~ 這也很正常
只是那個信的態度實在是差了點,要求援也要先做點功課了解一下吧 = =

至於中華電信,從以前到現在不覺得它是個好咖,只是個官寮的機器
不過我大伯在裏面養老很舒服,所以應該很適合大家退休後去看報紙喝茶的
好去處 推這個
2008-09-19 @ 10:15
迴響 from: fireman [訪問者]
漏水沒關係,再過一陣子它就不會再漏了,
冬天應該不會有人要吹冷氣吧XD

艾姬這件事還蠻無聊的,那我貼不露點的清涼照片,
被守門員封鎖,我也可以去靠杯囉?

上回有家客戶,亂發垃圾信,被國外組織列入黑名單,
居然找立委來對我們興師問罪,說我們封鎖牠們,
這二者還真有異曲同工之妙啊~
2008-09-19 @ 10:16
迴響 from: 宅友 [訪問者]
寄信的很真的很白目

就像得知首富捐錢,就躺到人家家門口,也求人家捐錢一樣



不過呀,把別人給你的信公開出來,其實不太好...
雖然,這封信是有點惡意啦...
2008-09-19 @ 10:19
迴響 from: Planet >>最愛科科笑的科幻女子 [訪問者]
該上班了
回來在留言...

大家寫得都好熱血啊=ˇ=(轉圈)
2008-09-19 @ 10:23
迴響 from: Telarin [訪問者]

:::私下喊加油喊得很大聲,但或許顧及不敢得罪中華電信這樣的大財團


人家朱大跟慈濟對著幹時

你媽媽還在重慶織襪子呢



你們吵架,把四川扯進來幹啥子哩
2008-09-19 @ 10:26
迴響 from: 亂入~~ [訪問者]
亂入~~


四川的
有看到包子 拿把大剪刀跑出來嗎?
2008-09-19 @ 10:30
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
啊不是情慾故事?怎麼不跟阿宅情慾一下?
我相信如果他跟阿宅情慾一下,阿宅可能會支持他
偏偏這種人就是有事找阿宅靠邀,沒事找帥哥情慾
阿宅不跟他一起靠邀,他就說阿宅冷漠
2008-09-19 @ 10:32
迴響 from: under [訪問者]
會漏水很好阿 很多人想弄都弄不出來耶 朱大該高興才是 真不懂在生氣啥
2008-09-19 @ 10:32
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
唉呀,老嚴啊,您別再打包子啦,再打包子,包子餡兒都給您打出來了
2008-09-19 @ 10:33
迴響 from: 天空 [訪問者]

艾姬小姐…尊重人家是否有意願要不要幫你?...否則一昧責怪別人冷血…是不太好的喔…

艾姬小姐…被大家xxoo…心情不太好吧…有時被ooxx是自己造成的…不要怪別人喔…去擁抱一下大自然吧…或許老天爺會給你答案…

朱大不僅冷氣壞了..(這種天冷氣壞了…真難為朱大了…電風扇前放個鍋裝大冰塊..冰融了你也睡著了…餿主意…真餿….)連電腦邊殼都用到壞了也沒換.…真是個勤儉的老大…..

2008-09-19 @ 10:39
迴響 from: Morris [訪問者] · http://changjiinglang.blogspot.com/
「反對抗議色情守門員連署活動」

現在我要發起「反對抗議色情守門員連署活動」
請各位阿宅"熱血支持",
如果反位不支持就等於"冷血"。
如果是的話,那真是讓人非常失望
你們可以很熱血寫信去支持吳道源員警家屬,但或許顧及不敢得罪PC HOME 某台長
所以選擇不公開表態?

(信件囉哩八縮加以刪除)

如果你看完以上的連結,
仍然覺得除了加油和支持之外沒有什麼好回應的
我還是謝謝你,在這個抗議的過程中給了我更深沉的體悟
何春蕤教授勉勵我:德不孤,必有鄰
可惜我在所謂的指標性人氣部落客身上,尚未找到任何人有道德勇氣
我以為你會是第一個...

冷漠就是毒藥,縱容就是幫兇

======================================

艾姬台長, 你現在知道自己的語氣有多雞巴了...

2008-09-19 @ 10:41
迴響 from: chaoyilu [訪問者]
另外,那台長的口氣還真的很差

怎麼幹到台長的,原來是做新聞的.......應該是記者吧.......

========================================================
PChome新聞台台長的意思:你去用PChome類似Blog的服務,
開一個Blog,就可以自稱台長啦!沒啥了不起。

因為本文,我去看了一下這個連署,
我覺得完全沒意義,人加付費的服務檔到你,
你又真的寫了些情慾的文章,怎麼要求人家放過你呢?
而且那個艾小姐的文章,應該也不是想寫給小朋友的吧?

發mail給朱大,應該完全是想打知名度吧!
2008-09-19 @ 10:42
迴響 from: Simparn [訪問者]
艾姬,掰!

2008-09-19 @ 10:47
迴響 from: elaine [訪問者]
我第一次看得懂朱大畫的圓餅圖!(媽!!我進步了耶)
只是我好奇的是...為什麼這麼多人總用"激將法"想要請朱大去做些什麼?
派正妹出來應該比較快達成目的吧?!
2008-09-19 @ 10:48
迴響 from: 冷眼 [訪問者]
根據靈學的角度,冷氣會漏水,還會漏在室內,主要會影響主人的身體狀況
朱大應該會有漏精,漏尿的情形反映在你身上
嚴重的話會不孕,
但這不是問題
因為單身一輩子的人沒有孕不孕的問題

最主要是漏尿的情形會越來越嚴重
最後可能會得到該邊養
進而截肢

可以試試益可夫

2008-09-19 @ 10:49
迴響 from: 蘇利猴 [訪問者] · http://sullivan0201.blogspot.com
如果是大金的冷氣
可以找我爸修...
2008-09-19 @ 10:51
迴響 from: ckkc [訪問者]
model真是不錯正啊
只是我非常怕女生戴很明顯的假睫毛...
會覺得
這不是人類~這不是人類~

(好像完全離題)
2008-09-19 @ 10:54
迴響 from: 貴妃 [訪問者]
語氣實在太差了

2008-09-19 @ 10:58
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/

under [訪問者]
會漏水很好阿 很多人想弄都弄不出來耶 朱大該高興才是 真不懂在生氣啥

---------------------------------
也要看水是從哪裡漏的阿.......

例如膀胱無力應該是不會有人高興的吧...
2008-09-19 @ 11:00
迴響 from: elkan [訪問者]
認真就輸了, 這種信件直接刪除才對
2008-09-19 @ 11:08
迴響 from: 科科 [訪問者]
幹,寄信那個人是智障吧?

我看了都不爽!!!
2008-09-19 @ 11:09
迴響 from: 神拳寺許大人 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/committee
老大你也可以說:
哩動最林北小叮噹喔我是小叮噹嗎)

要說像的話,也是技安才對.....

2008-09-19 @ 11:12
迴響 from: Simon [訪問者] · http://givemethepaper.blogspot.com/
會不會連賣藥的都來請你促銷啊?「想購買,請至各縣市指定的“大雄寶殿“指名購買。」
2008-09-19 @ 11:16
迴響 from: 神拳寺許大人 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/committee
老大你也可以說:
哩動最林北小叮噹喔我是小叮噹嗎)

要說像的話,也是技安才對.....
2008-09-19 @ 11:17
迴響 from: 邪惡阿宅 [訪問者]
驚~~~

朱大你死定了,誰不得罪卻得罪記者

牠一定會惡意報復的....唉 小人難防阿

2008-09-19 @ 11:28
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
樓上的,一堆人跟你說他不是記者了嘛!
不過就是個寫三流情色文學然後被hinet色情守門員擋在外面的死部落客而已
2008-09-19 @ 11:34
迴響 from: 夏夜 [訪問者]
美女圖中左二側臉者
可以處理一下嗎
謝謝
2008-09-19 @ 11:37
迴響 from: Blue [訪問者]
右邊的是我朋友耶.......
2008-09-19 @ 11:42
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
圖是直接連攝影濕滴,所以我沒辦法處理呀!不過下巴很可愛說~~~

Lucifer
2008-09-19 @ 11:53
迴響 from: 宅化中 [訪問者]
齁 發這個信的人名字取得真好
艾姬 唉妳個啥 G 8 毛阿

那個功能是使用者付費
大人沒時間陪小孩 24 小時上網, 所以弄個守門員機制來過濾妳是再靠腰三小有什麼意見嗎

有的人寫blog是在抒發自己的感覺和表達一些意念
妳自己愛寫情慾文然後被擋了在來靠腰
吃太飽撐著是唄 ?

守門員機制就跟保全一樣
今天我沒時間在家陪小孩 ~ 我希望我不在家的時候有保全來讓我放心 所以我付錢請保全 那是我家的自由

阿妳這個寫色文的傢伙就像推銷員 妳今天靠腰說 " 為什麼要請保全公司來看門 ? 小朋友有自己選擇要不要被推銷的自由 "
用這個鳥理由來想要進我家

真是 TA MA DI 靠腰神經病 !

====================== 我也靠腰完了的分隔線 ==============

朱豪宅老大 :

冷氣問題真的就像上面的人說的
是管子的三大問題 ~ 被堵塞, 被折彎, 脫落
打開來看看那個不乖的排水管怎麼了就可以解決
不過也記得要先拔插頭 因為有的冷氣是用 220V 的電壓
那個電到不是開玩笑低 我們不希望看 9/28 朱大用
" 電過的阿福柔朱豪宅 " 或是 " 電到皮開肉綻的脆皮朱豪宅 " 這兩個裝扮出席喔 ! 請小心

其實不修理也沒差, 在下面挖個浴缸這樣可以利用過濾循環水來洗澡, 超環保
2008-09-19 @ 12:03
迴響 from: 當宅已成往事 [訪問者]
白目台長滾 宅大加油〝〈*.*〉〞

色情守門員怎麼可能擋的住阿宅,哇哈哈哈...〈鼻孔朝天中〉

冷氣漏水只要漏斗、塑膠管、膠帶加臉盆就一切搞定,科科科
2008-09-19 @ 12:10
迴響 from: vxa [訪問者] · http://vxarx.blogspot.com/
快點叫消防隊~~
有棟豪宅起火了~火勢延燒的非常快速~
而且有逐漸向外擴散的趨勢~
2008-09-19 @ 12:12
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
Blue [訪問者]
右邊的是我朋友耶.......


-------------------------
ˋˊ
沒圖沒真相啦~~~~~
2008-09-19 @ 12:24
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
不想被擋就不要寫情色文章不就好了嗎?
2008-09-19 @ 12:39
迴響 from: 野獸醫生 [訪問者] · http://blog.xuite.net/siroyb/blog
TO Telarin,

迴響來自: Telarin [訪問者]
:::私下喊加油喊得很大聲,但或許顧及不敢得罪中華電信這樣的大財團
人家朱大跟慈濟對著幹時
你媽媽還在重慶織襪子呢
你們吵架,把四川扯進來幹啥子哩
2008-09-19 @ 10:26

看懂這個梗的人大概不多...

不要再打包子了,再打,包子餡都被打出來囉...

色情領航員......不是各大搜尋引擎都是嗎?只要輸入正確的關鍵字,找到的東西一輩子都看不完吧。
2008-09-19 @ 13:08
迴響 from: Dino Dino [訪問者]
朋友的兒子應該去拜"多兒滾",跑錯廟啦!



色情和情色有甚麼不同??
2008-09-19 @ 13:12
迴響 from: gamebug [訪問者] · http://gamebug-blog.blogspot.com
本日首推:「艾姬,掰!」

智障
低能
無聊

滾!
2008-09-19 @ 13:14
迴響 from: Adam [訪問者]
我真搞不懂艾姬台長是在抗議個什麼勁, 色情守門員是要付費的, 人家會選擇安裝也是為了保護家中未成年的小孩不會在上網時接觸到有情色內容的東西, 艾姬台長寫的文章應該不是為小朋友寫的吧? 這些小朋友被色情守門員擋住看不到她的文章應該也沒差吧? 難道艾姬台長是想靠情色文章幫這些小孩「轉大人」嗎? 那很多電影被歸類成限制級, 甚至鏡頭被剪光光, 艾姬台長要不要也去抗議一下? 不然也是等於「冷血」咩!

像艾姬台長這種不認同自己, 就把對方貶成「德之賊」的口氣, 怎麼跟寫政治文的人一樣啊? 我建議艾姬台長乾脆改寫政治文好了, 這樣不用怕會被色情守門員擋掉, 又可以燃燒很多人的熱血, 不是更好嗎?
2008-09-19 @ 13:19
迴響 from: wei [訪問者]
那兩個嘛斗 鼻子好像是做的

話說冷氣機漏水 底下放個杯子不就得了
口渴了還可以順便拿來喝蒸餾水
2008-09-19 @ 13:25
迴響 from: 王中之王的王 [訪問者]
幹他寫那內容簡直莫名奇妙到北七的程度....

這種人可以幹台長? 哇嗯甘灣啦!! 它公司縱容這種咖洨當台長才真的有夠冷血!!

----

冷氣漏水最好先用電扇頂,溼氣帶來的黴菌孢子不是開玩笑的。會長期影響呼吸道和皮膚。
2008-09-19 @ 13:41
迴響 from: 宅化中 [訪問者]
迴響來自: wei [訪問者]
那兩個嘛斗 鼻子好像是做的

--------- 照片看仔細後的分隔線 --------------

那個左邊那個有不實廣告的嫌疑 明明就沒那麼大碗嘛
2008-09-19 @ 13:49
迴響 from: 大話夢想家 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/JShan
請求別人幫忙的態度也太差了吧!

要不要幫忙是個人的事情,

沒有幫忙就冷言冷語罵人冷血,

這樣的態度能讓人相信你是為大眾討福利的嗎?




真是討罵...
2008-09-19 @ 13:49
迴響 from: 天空 [訪問者]

Adam 桑 說的好+1

那個下巴真的很可愛..老運應該不錯...哈哈哈........

希望她沒聽到....
2008-09-19 @ 13:49
迴響 from: LeoLiao [訪問者]
這個測不準的問題,問林一平教授的意見會不會好一點?

我記得他用自己的blog 進行過某方面的測試....但是我忘記了.因為他測完就說要把blog 關了.

2008-09-19 @ 13:53
迴響 from: pptra [訪問者]
朱大:
我們公司的分離式冷氣也「多次」請師傅來修。
「多次」的原因就在於簡單的清理,無法徹底解決水管堵塞的問題,尤其是在管路過長的狀況之下。
後來師傅還是很認份地(其實是我們終於願意多付錢了)把零件一一仔細拆洗才解決的,轉知供參。

另,門板上的洞給堵住了,對於有表現欲望的人而言難免顯得焦躁,你就原諒他吧!
畢竟,你也是某種「堵塞」下的受害人哪~XD

2008-09-19 @ 14:11
迴響 from: Juan [訪問者] · http://j.cards.twirc.org
對喔
突然想到上次新聞有報導
有人被冷氣水滴下來電暈了

ㄚ~~~~~~~

不過, 那個寫色情文學的艾x..
會不會是用這個方法來衝 blog 人氣阿?
2008-09-19 @ 14:12
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephealien
愛雞排~愛雞排~

大家都愛超營養雞排~
2008-09-19 @ 14:14
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephealien
迴響來自: Juan [訪問者] · http://j.cards.twirc.org
對喔
突然想到上次新聞有報導
有人被冷氣水滴下來電暈了

ㄚ~~~~~~~

不過, 那個寫色情文學的艾x..
會不會是用這個方法來衝 blog 人氣阿?




同意


菩提本無樹,何處惹塵埃

一切皆自食其果也~
2008-09-19 @ 14:17
迴響 from: alberto [訪問者]
我比較幸運
我家冷氣颱風天也會滴水,不過颱風過去後很神奇的就不藥而癒了,
估計只是單純被颱風嚇到漏尿而已..............

還有左邊那個model睫毛是不是走龐克風阿...
弄成這樣一坨太大陀不好看啦ˊˋ
2008-09-19 @ 14:27
迴響 from: 王中之王的王 [訪問者]
要衝惡評也只好成全他。

從善如流嘛
阿宅一向懂得"受人點滴,當泉湧以報"的道理。

噴幾滴口水
我們就應該開水肥車去好好答謝人家呀!!!!
2008-09-19 @ 14:31
迴響 from: Merage [訪問者]
她的留言版居然是關閉的..怕人家留言 O_O

叫她的信眾們換成彎彎大寬頻就好啦.
2008-09-19 @ 14:32
迴響 from: Carl [訪問者]
我把艾姬跟相關的連結文章大略看了一下,實在很難理解為何要對這樣的服務做抗議呢?這樣的服務是消費者可選擇,並不是選擇了中華電信就一定要接受這樣的服務,況且接受這樣服務的消費者也明白會有怎麼樣的限制,所以這樣的抗議訴求實無可靠的論點可支持,甚至與成人議題有關的團體也去抗議這樣的事,讓我覺得不可思議。

我想他們是在抗議什麼呢?

1.家裡有小孩,所以裝了色情守門員後,讓自己本來想看情色文章也不行?色情守門員使用時無法切換使用者的權限嗎?

2.是不是因為抗議的人是未成年使用者,因為家中裝了色情守門員,原本A圖A文都不能看了,現在想看「口味中等」的文章也不行,所以很悶很不開心,於是聯名抗議?

3.情色文章對於未成年人是否為可接受的資訊?我想這是每個法定監護人的權利去決定。如果是要訴求「未成年人應該接受多元的文化資訊」,那應該去辦公聽會來討論。如果普世價值都認可的話,那今天色情守門員就不會設置這樣的篩選功能。

這讓我想到之前有個新聞,一群年輕人在鏡頭前哭訴他們是為了台灣的健康在直銷昂貴的「健康有機蔬菜」一樣,都讓外人很難理解動機與價值在哪裡。

或許有些人喜歡吃嘎哩,有些人喜歡吃大便,只要吃的人開心就好了,我想就別去理會吧。
2008-09-19 @ 14:36
迴響 from: 小熊 [訪問者]
剛剛稍稍搜尋了一下,那位新聞台台主感覺上就滿偏激的,還好網路上也有理性的網友提出他的意見

http://blog.libraene.com/2008/07/29/467

事實上,這個抗議行動本身就很無聊,那位台主的口氣也很差勁
2008-09-19 @ 14:42
迴響 from: 王中之王的王 [訪問者]
靠!現在才發現原來所謂的"台長"只是寫屁稀鬨新聞台的....部落格使用者= =
而且還是寫一些讓人無言以對的東西、用那種理由在靠悲。

這種咖洨.....這種咖洨.......

(/‵′)/~ ╧╧(/‵′)/~ ╧╧(/‵′)/~ ╧╧

水肥灌她身上不值得.....我想要灌的東西台長自己也常弄來灌
阿宅幫不上忙。
2008-09-19 @ 14:43
迴響 from: SL [訪問者]
  有些事情要拜託也得看狀況呀……

  如果朱大響應了這個活動,而他又被檢舉他的硬碟有一堆A片不適合,又或者其實他的文章都很變態應該也要被擋,那該怎麼辦?Zzzz

  就算朱大已經不是小孩子了,有A片也是正常事,但問題是要我去支持我也無法去支持,這種事其實是有一點灰色地帶的,所以頂多只能說聲加油了,有些事情就是不是適合在公開場合說的嘛(茶)

  我只能說,你認為好,但你絕對不能強迫別人也要認為好呀……
2008-09-19 @ 14:55
迴響 from: SL [訪問者]
  喔,好吧,我錯了,他們的訴求完全看錯就留言,冏rz。我以為是要反色情之類的活動勒= ="
2008-09-19 @ 14:57
迴響 from: 迷思羊 [訪問者]
以下問題與本文無關

請問有人收到宅聚二次確認信了嗎?
2008-09-19 @ 15:00
迴響 from: 宅化中 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 迷思羊 [訪問者]
以下問題與本文無關

請問有人收到宅聚二次確認信了嗎?

沒收到 +1
我天天開信箱等ㄟ Q_Q
2008-09-19 @ 15:09
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
迷思羊 [訪問者]
以下問題與本文無關

請問有人收到宅聚二次確認信了嗎?

-----------------------------
報告!
沒收到....

發信的時候朱大應該會公告吧......
2008-09-19 @ 15:30
迴響 from: 天空 [訪問者]

己所不欲勿施於人…您也不希望您的小孩被色情所氾濫吧…..

己所欲..施於人…是有爭議的….EX:您喜歡抽煙喝酒嚼檳榔情色文學等等等..不是自己喜歡就要硬塞給人家…您自己喜歡的東西要跟人家分享…也請看一下內容吧…是否適合推薦….您說...是不是?是不是啊?

2008-09-19 @ 15:32
迴響 from: 路過的 [訪問者]
1.那個model假睫毛的造型原本就是作成那樣一束一束,假睫毛有很多種造型,好看與否見人見智
2.我個人比較偏好希望ISP提供色情領航員,幫助老宅如我,過濾那種會自動開一堆廣告視窗的成人網站
3.如果我們在這裡留言時一直鍵入如保險套或3P一類的關鍵詞,那事務所會被守門員封鎖嗎XDDD
4.冷氣如果在室內漏水真的要快修,因為室內牆壁一般沒作防水,水氣很容易滲入,小心牆壁得癌症:P
2008-09-19 @ 15:41
迴響 from: wei [訪問者]
那兩個嘛斗 鼻子好像是做的

話說冷氣機漏水 底下放個杯子不就得了
口渴了還可以順便拿來喝蒸餾水
2008-09-19 @ 15:57
迴響 from: kkk [訪問者]
右邊那位的大腿跟手的顏色
左右不一樣啊
好特別
是照片的問題嗎?可是都這麼大張了,
應該不是色差甚麼的吧?
2008-09-19 @ 15:58
迴響 from: 現在每天晚上壞掉 ~ 第1次留鹽 [訪問者]
每天晚上?
厚~到底多少天了
現在才講
2008-09-19 @ 16:14
迴響 from: 當宅已成往事 [訪問者]
迴響來自: kkk [訪問者]
右邊那位的大腿跟手的顏色
左右不一樣啊
好特別
是照片的問題嗎?可是都這麼大張了,
應該不是色差甚麼的吧?

---------- 挖是分介線 ----------

嗯~依本宅視診,應該很單純只是手腳內側跟外側地顏色差異而已〈推眼鏡〉

要確認只能靠觸診
2008-09-19 @ 16:22
迴響 from: elsa [訪問者]
ㄛ~去找相關的新聞與站台看看,懂了~她的站台文章被鎖,為何要朱大一起潦下去占聲啊?!怪

支持朱大~

朱大有勇又不鄉愿,水~

我家冷氣也漏水....
2008-09-19 @ 16:23
迴響 from: aiueo [訪問者]
1.請你支持聲援由我所發起的抗議色情守門員連署活動

2.何春蕤教授勉勵我:德不孤,必有鄰

3.網站貼人獸交圖何春蕤被告

4.支持SOGO論壇...不支持1~3...謝謝.

5.我看的懂才有鬼.
2008-09-19 @ 16:43
迴響 from: 十代目 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/luke1989
朱大爆氣了@@
吃碗豆花消消火吧~
2008-09-19 @ 16:53
迴響 from: 碧鹿 [訪問者]
熱血沒有燃燒~就是冷血嗎?
按~腦殘啊~
2008-09-19 @ 16:59
迴響 from: 車庫女人 [訪問者] · http://digicontent.blogspot.com
那個, 這確定是pchome新聞台台長的來信嗎?
好怪, 真的不像是官派人員的作風.
2008-09-19 @ 17:03
迴響 from: 第二次 [訪問者]
大事紀

2008/1/31 中華電信色情守門員封鎖PChome新聞台blog「艾姬的情慾故事」

2008/2/1  網友小颱風發現無法連結「艾姬的情慾故事」,mail給台長艾姬反應
      並陸續接獲透明雨、懸紅等網友的反應

2008/2/19 台長艾姬在新聞台張貼「搶救艾姬的情慾故事新聞台」,展開小規模
      的自救活動,發動網友向中華電信進行誤擋申訴,得到中華電信千
      篇一律的官方回函

2008/2/22 因申訴人數漸多,中華電信終於給予較具體的回應,回函強調,色情
      守門員是依照網路分級標準來辦理,該服務是經過ADSL申請人同
      意後,方能生效,非中華電信主動為用戶申裝。認定「艾姬的情慾故
      事」內的情慾小說和寫實小說符合限制級的分類。台長艾姬在新聞台
      呼籲搶救行動擴大進行

2008/3月  台長艾姬開始進行蒐證,以關鍵字蒐集一些色情網站,並請消費者小
      颱風幫忙檢驗,確認了色情守門員的確有許多漏網之魚以及證實了對
      於「艾姬的情慾故事」新聞台之選擇性辦案。艾姬發現中華電信色情
      守門員的服務是外包給普藍地科技公司,並找到普藍地在網路上徵求
      網頁分類工讀生的徵人廣告。因此,合理性地懷疑,色情守門員是以
       電腦關鍵字篩選+人腦不專業判斷的粗糙機制來做網站的分類和封
       鎖。對於文學創作遭受如此污名化標籤化的對待感到非常不合理,因
      此決定找尋媒體協助。

2008/4/29 投訴蘋果日報,記者來電詢問,回應說會進一步聯絡處理。

2008/5/6 台長久候得不到進一步聯絡,尋問蘋果日報是否可逕投他家媒體。

2008/5/7 蘋果日報再次來電,承諾會進行了解,請台長艾姬等候,卻不了了之

2008/6/11 艾姬轉而向自由時報進行投訴

2008/6/12 自由時報記者來電了解

2008/6/13 自由時報報導「文學部落格 被當成色情網站」

2008/6/14 針對中華電信色情守門員誤封鎖的事件請教有律師背景的黃珊珊議
      員,獲得議員承諾將找中華電信進行了解和協調。

2008/7/2 由立委黃義交國會辦公室主持中華電信&艾姬雙方的第一次協調會

2008/7/7  台長艾姬憑記憶所及,將協調會內容和過程書寫成會議紀錄,以不涉
      及主觀論述的方式張貼在blog上,希望由社會大眾公評
      以此案請教傳播補教界名師,並獲得善意回應和指教

2008/7/15  黃義交立委辦公室助理來函以協調會為秘密會議之由,要求台長艾姬
      撤除blog上的會議紀錄,台長為尊重主持協調的黃義交立委辦公
      室,當日即將會議紀錄撤除,但也質疑開會通知單未提及秘密會議以
      及認為此議題理應交由社會大眾公評

2008/7/16  黃義交立委助理來函表示,同意此議題可受公評。因台長艾姬憑記憶
      所書寫的會議紀錄能夠還原現場達80%,中華電信懷疑艾姬使用儀
      器來錄製會議過程而對台長產生不信任,因此助理建議移除文章以利
      後續協調處理。立委助理強調協調會著重在個案的解決,至於未提起
      申訴的受害者如何救濟、甚至相關法律規範的修訂、色情守門員對於
      創作自由之戕害等等,都不在本次協調會處理範圍內。

2008/7/16  艾姬去函立委辦公室,表明是第一次參加協調會,根本沒想到能不能
      使用錄音設備,但對於當天沒有錄音,因此只能還原80%而非100%
      以及對於中華電信以小人之心度君子之腹感到非常遺憾!艾姬表示
       無法理解可受公評之事卻必須秘密處理這樣的邏輯,並認為立委辦公
       室對於協調會的層級認知和顯然申訴者不同,在下次協調會召開前,
       有必要與申訴者先行溝通。艾姬表明自己的立場:要求撤除會議紀錄
       是立委辦公室害怕負面效應,中華電信害怕洪水效應,但小市民遭受
      迫害,卻沒有害怕的權利。

2008/7/19  成立抗議Hinet色情守門員行動聯盟(抗Hi色)招募活動幹部,網
      友阿鋼完成聯盟識別Logo,網友jas9完成網路串連貼紙

2008/7/22  針對此案請教律師意見

2008/7/26  第一次MSN線上會議
      網路串連活動起跑
      獲得何春蕤教授的支持,並同意擔任聯盟特別顧問

2008/8/5 抗議「Hinet色情守門員」網路連署正式展開( http://0rz.tw/934xe )


看起來很笨....
簡單說,他們不會處理,想靠朱大幫忙


不過,話說哪天朱大部落格被色情守門員檔了,會不會有人抗議?:p
2008-09-19 @ 17:03
迴響 from: 貼地超人 [訪問者]

我也不認為她有寄信給吳道源啦
憑什麼說別人冷漠
2008-09-19 @ 17:04
迴響 from: 阿鏗 [訪問者] · http://davidtsai.blogspot.com/
有點懶的去看相某人某事的相關記錄
這....這有什麼好抗議的
產品不是自己選的喔~無聊
2008-09-19 @ 17:12
迴響 from: AZNA [訪問者]
...滾!...

說的好, 朱大!

這些人真的是把朱大當成小叮噹喔!
2008-09-19 @ 17:14
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
迴響來自: 車庫女人 [訪問者]
那個, 這確定是pchome新聞台台長的來信嗎?
好怪, 真的不像是官派人員的作風.

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跟官派人員有什麼關係?
2008-09-19 @ 17:16
迴響 from: 阿鏗 [訪問者] · http://davidtsai.blogspot.com/
忘了講
熱血沒有燃燒是不是等於冷血?
我說那位小姐你不是天才...那是不是等於白痴?

朱先生怎麼沒有熱血
開水都燒到"滾"啦~
2008-09-19 @ 17:18
迴響 from: 頭鷹 [訪問者]
嘖.......

怎麼會有這麼無聊的人~
2008-09-19 @ 17:23
迴響 from: 宅化中 [訪問者]
迴響來自: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
迴響來自: 車庫女人 [訪問者]
那個, 這確定是pchome新聞台台長的來信嗎?
好怪, 真的不像是官派人員的作風.

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跟官派人員有什麼關係?

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車庫女人大概是誤解了"PCHOME 新聞台台長 " 這個頭銜的意義
這個名字不是說這個台長是 PCHOME 公司裡面管新聞台的台長
只是 PCHOME 把自己提供的部落格給的一個名字啦




2008-09-19 @ 17:23
迴響 from: 深藍IS [訪問者]
讚拉!
我最討厭自以為是的濫咖
還要求別人做事
就~~滾吧!!!!
2008-09-19 @ 17:24
迴響 from: kkk [訪問者]
中華電信的人常常都這樣啦
以前開會,台灣大哥大/遠傳都派副總來,PHS還總經理親自出席
中華電信派個科長,發言說他要回去請示才能決定

像ADSL last mile罵了這麼多年
不降價就是不降價
說他是民營企業,可以去看看股權結構.
董事長交通部說換就換,董監事改選也沒人改選得過交通部.

不過中華電信鳥歸鳥,老大歸老大,
而且我對這位新聞台長小蝦米對抗大鯨魚的困難度寄予無限同情.
但是這不代表其他人就一定要幫忙.
這樣亂發信是頗莫名奇妙的
2008-09-19 @ 17:27
迴響 from: 潛水很久第一次回應 [訪問者]
朱大說的對

你家事自己操煩吧......不是自稱是新聞台嗎

去你的冷血......誇張...

2008-09-19 @ 17:28
迴響 from: 當宅已成往事 [訪問者]
認真看完大事紀.....看起來很笨+1....

在此肯定色情守門員地功能,再1次避免爛文章污染幼小網友純真心靈
2008-09-19 @ 17:36
迴響 from: 車庫女人 [訪問者] · http://digicontent.blogspot.com
恩, 是我誤會了, 還以為是PCHOME管新聞台的官方人員
那麼講起來我也算是新聞台台長之一
2008-09-19 @ 17:36
迴響 from: W [訪問者]
老實說
我也不懂這個活動的邏輯

月費99元也不便宜耶
當然是“寧可錯殺100,不要放過1個“
不然付費買這個服務要幹嗎?
2008-09-19 @ 17:38
迴響 from: stevesh [訪問者]
個人覺得是擔心因為色情守門員是以整戶為單位
部落格被分類在黑名單內而連帶影響部落格的人氣吧!!!!!!!!!!!

態度又差 又仗著自以為是的正義.....

也是同意朱大的意見
怎樣來的就怎樣回去
2008-09-19 @ 17:44
迴響 from: Peter [訪問者]
廢話太多...我需要色情導航員服務啦!
每次要找A圖,常常會中木馬..假檔..
要找罐C的圖,也是找到一大堆釣魚的網站.
Hinet也要照顧成年的阿宅客戶群吧!
2008-09-19 @ 17:52
迴響 from: Nion [訪問者]
喵的 ~
最討厭這種先拿著帽子扣上去,如果我不照做,就用"我是屬於OOXX的人"的怪罪法。
喵的!!
2008-09-19 @ 17:57
迴響 from: 異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephealien
說到有求必應的哆啦a夢

就讓我想到蠟筆小新的惡搞

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=ATHu5FDtUeY
2008-09-19 @ 18:15
迴響 from: taddy [訪問者] · http://cuteclip.blogspot.com/
連署反色情守門員 .. 這種主題一看就覺得超沒力...
到底是誰會去連署...
2008-09-19 @ 18:51
迴響 from: 野獸醫生 [訪問者] · http://blog.xuite.net/siroyb/blog
什麼?
有人需要觸診?...(穿上醫師服,戴上聽診器)

我是野獸醫生,有什麼需要我服務的嗎?
2008-09-19 @ 19:26
迴響 from: yicheng [訪問者] · http://is0106.blogspot.com
常常遇到這種把自己的主見加上偏見的腦殘想法
強壓在別人身上

一副 "這都是為你好,你怎麼可以拒絕" 的嘴臉

好個頭啦

我尊重你的看法,但你有考慮過我的想法嗎

我最痛恨這種偽善的人阿!!!
2008-09-19 @ 19:41
迴響 from: palm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ruaypapa

我兒子最近上大號不關門
他說有幽靈.....
他媽快抓狂了........


我也要mail給朱豪宅幫忙啦~~


ㄎㄎㄎㄎ
2008-09-19 @ 20:09
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
艾姬,掰掰啦~

靠杯
好好笑...T0T...笑到都流眼淚了 哇哈哈哈哈!!
2008-09-19 @ 20:56
迴響 from: 大豬豬 [訪問者]
朱大,說得好丫~~~

更何況那篇訴求本身的邏輯就有問題了

PS:遇到會滴、滴、滴的冷氣,的確會讓人很火(小的以前有相同的經驗),

還好現在夏天快過了,用得到冷氣的機會就會少了許多
2008-09-19 @ 21:00
迴響 from: zxcvbn208 [訪問者]
什麼跟什麼= =?他是哪位呀?什麼東西?講的自己有多高氣節?()*&(&^%$^$%&*()(*&^%
2008-09-19 @ 21:01
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
我今年還沒有開冷氣...所以不會有什麼勞什子的漏水問題XD!
2008-09-19 @ 21:09
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: palm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ruaypapa

我兒子最近上大號不關門
他說有幽靈.....
他媽快抓狂了........


我也要mail給朱豪宅幫忙啦~~
=================
我在家上廁所也是都沒有在關門的啊.....自己住是關個屁啊XD!
2008-09-19 @ 21:10
迴響 from: 潛水夫 [訪問者]
看到大事紀的第二點,不禁覺得好笑。

家裡申請了色情守門員,有網站不能去了,怎麼不去怪家長(不能怪,那是金錢來源),反而去怪提供服務的人,本末倒置。

這幾位小朋友,腦袋有問題了,會不會是那個被鎖的網誌看太多所致?
2008-09-19 @ 21:24
迴響 from: 紅葉 [訪問者] · http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/news/redyeh
各位,其實朱大是很有道德心的,阿宅們是練過的所以無所謂,但如果各位家裡有小孩子在的話,你們也可能希望會有色情守門員這項功能存在的。

但與其說用色情守門員來防堵色情,到不如將色情這兩個字除罪化還要來的有意義,我想這也是艾姬台主的原意,但是艾姬台主想要借用朱大的影響力來號召群眾的這一點我並不是很認同。例如之前的吳道源先生以及為宅友集氣的事都是朱大認為有意義而自動自發的,而網友們的支持也是一樣都是自動自發而非由朱大所搧動的,所以我覺得艾姬台主與其覺得心冷,還不如想辦法將妳手上的行動改變的更有意義或是更有熱情,這樣一來不只朱大,網友們自然而然會去支持的,譬如之前松島小姐來台旅遊一事,如果有人可以專訪到她的話,那就實在是很有意義,也很熱血了............
2008-09-19 @ 21:30
迴響 from: GCVincent [訪問者]
>迴響來自: ninny [訪問者]
>我在家上廁所也是都沒有在關門的啊.....自己住是關個屁啊XD!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
不關門會造成一屋子屎味,這種事就不需要分享/或者繞樑三日了吧~
住小套房還是要關門的好。

不關心是一種冷漠,
不關門是因為鼻子不通吧?
如果不拉拉鍊很可能是因為年紀大了~
2008-09-19 @ 21:57
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: GCVincent [訪問者]

不關門會造成一屋子屎味,這種事就不需要分享/或者繞樑三日了吧~
住小套房還是要關門的好。

不關心是一種冷漠,
不關門是因為鼻子不通吧?
如果不拉拉鍊很可能是因為年紀大了~
=========================
開廁所的抽風機就好了啊.....哪會有一屋子屎味啊XD!
而且我住的是20坪的小房間,如果屎味可以灌滿整間屋子.......我大概也已經拉到脫肛了吧.........囧"
2008-09-19 @ 22:12
迴響 from: zepee0919 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/zepee0919
分離式漏水原因,
我之前是那個白色小方盒壞掉(接在室內機那個小盒子)
裡面有個小抽水馬達,因為長期浸在水中
所以壞掉去...
水就一直積在小盒子中...滿了就流出來這樣

所以,換個小方盒,1500,保固一年(?)...冷氣師傅說是消耗品....

在此要感謝我房東板橋廖太太,她是好人,幫我修冷氣還自己出錢,還會上來幫我倒垃圾,換燈泡,房租還很便宜...這樣好的房東哪邊找阿!!~~~
2008-09-19 @ 22:16
迴響 from: oldhan [訪問者]
不認同阿宅的人阿宅萬事通事務所沒有義務要幫忙,
這跟請鬼拿藥單沒兩樣(嗯這比喻很爛我知道,朱大不是鬼)
電車男真是好看到讓人痛哭流涕啊.
2008-09-19 @ 22:26
迴響 from: 擊鍵任宅 [訪問者]
肏!
越看越不爽!
愛雞小姐,妳以為妳是什麼東西?
亂扣別人帽子,
自以為是正義的化身,大放厥詞,
令人厭惡!
2008-09-19 @ 23:02
迴響 from: josesun [訪問者]
水~這就是阿宅的魄力!XD
2008-09-19 @ 23:05
迴響 from: 真夏 [訪問者]
謝謝紅葉

謝謝朱大

這是另一種加油...我們會繼續加油,並反省不該妄下定論

這讓我們能以另一個角度去思索,考量點並未非常周全

再次感謝!
2008-09-19 @ 23:17
迴響 from: 邪惡阿宅 [訪問者]
艾姬、掰

艾、姬掰

哈哈哈哈~~~笑死我了
2008-09-19 @ 23:36
迴響 from: palm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ruaypapa
小弟一時起寫的迴響
引起臭氣熏天
真是屎尿未及
ㄏㄏㄏㄏㄏ

首先說明一下
上廁所不關門
我並不覺得會怎樣
(因為我也不關,而且上廁所一定會脫光光……ㄏㄏㄏㄏ)
但是因為我家有三間廁所
一間在書房裏--是我專用的
一間在客廳--還要兼澡堂的功用
最後一間在臥房的衣物間裡……

因為對臭味極為敏感的小孩他媽的規定裡面有這麼一條
開始放洗澡水時
不准進去上大號

剛好今晚小孩要上廁所
在我的淫威之下
他們平常是不能自己進書房的
(因為裡面太多我的玩具了…ㄏㄏㄏㄏ)
所以他選擇了進臥室………
好死不死
他媽的衣服剛收好
要擺進衣物間
然後就有一個處女座的女人抓狂了……

在客廳陪女兒看電視的我
除了三條線 = =川
還能怎樣

處女座的女人要我教兒子
我也只能無言以對…………

還好氣出完就消了
血熱完自然就冷了

ㄎㄎㄎㄎㄎ

P.S
這篇這麼多關鍵字
不知道會不會被領航員搜尋到……

ㄎㄎㄎㄎㄎ

2008-09-19 @ 23:56
迴響 from: 便當 [訪問者]
如果那發起版主是正妹
不要說熱血被燃起來
連屌..............
抱歉...我低級了
2008-09-20 @ 00:01
迴響 from: 真夏 [訪問者]
樓樓上

朱大是人氣部落不用擔心被擋的問題

除非...那個工程師不認識朱大
2008-09-20 @ 00:07
迴響 from: 天將奔烈 [訪問者]
迴響來自: chaoyilu [訪問者]
另外,那台長的口氣還真的很差

怎麼幹到台長的,原來是做新聞的.......應該是記者吧.......

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原來做新聞的記者可以很容易幹到台長........

我也想要當記者...這樣就可以幹到........

我也很低級.......
2008-09-20 @ 00:16
迴響 from: 天將奔烈 [訪問者]
迴響來自: yicheng [訪問者] · http://is0106.blogspot.com
..................
強壓在別人身上

一副 "這都是為你好,你怎麼可以拒絕" 的嘴臉
...........
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我的腦袋在裝什麼阿.....

怎麼對這些東西這麼敏銳.......
2008-09-20 @ 00:18
迴響 from: 金色小黃花 [訪問者]
為什麼我笑了XDD
2008-09-20 @ 00:19
迴響 from: 貼地飛行的MING [訪問者]
是啊,爸,我就這麼點餡,拜託您就別再打了....

還有火車模擬人聲的段子...

回不去了,回不去了,回不去了...

應該有人看的懂吧???
2008-09-20 @ 00:42
迴響 from: 路過的 [訪問者]
樓上在說古嘎嗎
古嘎古嘎
迷有古哪有嘎

這一罈酒它是有歷史低XD
2008-09-20 @ 01:22
迴響 from: 撲朔 [訪問者]
把別人寄來的信件貼上網公開, 加上眉批, 外附一聲滾, 朱大, 您好氣魄, 好威風.

以前曾聽說有人把愛慕者寄來的信公開給別人看的事件, 我相當不認同這種行為, 不意今日在此見到, 雖然艾姬的那封信並不是愛慕信.

至於那些嘲諷辱罵的路人甲乙丙丁, 唉...我唯一的感想, 這真是教育失敗, 教出這麼一群用文字來幸災樂禍, 落井下石之徒.

對那些願意了解的朋友, 我大概說明一下, 色情守門員是由提供該服務的公司 "自行決定" 哪些是色情網站並加以封鎖, 讓它的使用者無法連上那些網站. 沒錯, 是由它的人員自行決定, 而且還是工讀生. 問題在於它憑什麼權力, 憑什麼標準決定哪些網站是色情網站?

它的做法, 很像以前國民黨時代所謂的黑名單. 政府可以依自己決定的標準, 將一些人士列入名單中拒絕入境. 名列其上的人未必知道自己被封鎖了, 等到入不了境才發現這個事實, 就算向政府申訴也不得要領. 當初被列在名單上的人, 當然氣炸了, 一如今日的艾姬.

另舉個近期的例子, 那就是中共的網路長城, 中共也是以自己的一套標準, 來決定它的網民可以連結的網站.

這其實並不是個個案, 因為很多人其實不知道自己是不是也被列管了. 唯一知道的方式, 就只有找申裝色情守門員的朋友來連自己的網站看看. 或許那時...各位會發現自己也是榜上有名.

撲朔拜上.
2008-09-20 @ 01:35
迴響 from: 偉 [訪問者] · http://jin.tw/jin
我好奇的是, 色情守門員是hinet強迫User裝的嗎???
如果不是....那你被檔關其他人啥事....
搞不懂有啥好吵
2008-09-20 @ 02:21
迴響 from: 撲朔 [訪問者]
to 偉:
對啊, 改天換你被擋時, 自然也不關其他人的事, 不是嗎? 嚴重地說, 就像當年納粹迫害猶太人一樣, 很多德國人也都認為不關他們的事, 但最後納粹不但迫害了猶太人, 也迫害和犧牲了很多德國人, 而這事也成了德國人永遠的國恥.

人與人之間的關係是互相影響的, 很難說某件事一定或不一定影響到你. 這件事跟使用者沒有相關, 因為他們根本不知道自己失去了什麼, 自然也不會在乎. 但跟被封鎖人的名譽有關, 子曰必也正名乎. 今天如果是有人拿著你的作品說那是色情作品, 你會作何感想.

一個人的力量有限, 容易被忽略, 因為會被視為個案, 是可容許的例外. 除非能像三鹿奶粉一樣, 形成強大的輿論, 不然很容易就不見了. 所以你說吵不吵? 不吵, 中華電信根本不會甩.
2008-09-20 @ 02:47
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  沒禮貌!
  這個部落格的台長:艾姬,這在自己發布的文章中,還寫下「資訊社會的應有禮節」,
原來「別人沒跟你口徑一至,就是對不起你的理念」,這就是請人家幫忙的態度。跟台灣前
政權政黨的行為一樣,過去8年教育的很成功嘛!
http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/news/cfsagnes/3/1310275482/20080917162636/


愛姬自行把「艾姬的情慾故事」留言板關閉了,希望他自己好好反省


[緊急消息 2008/09/19]

  收到網友通知

  愛姬你完蛋了!被喜歡色情資訊的阿宅們討厭!你惹毛一堆喜歡在網路中
無所不能來下載A片A圖的阿宅們!瞧妳是什麼態度,趾高氣揚,看看別人對你
的評價:

<一>
朱學恒的阿宅萬事通事務所 - 媽的!
http://blogs.myoops.org/lucifer.php/2008/09/18/fuckoff#feedbacks
(支持愛姬的人請對愛姬教育一下「客氣拜託人」的方法!)

<二>
迴響來自: taddy [訪問者] · http://cuteclip.blogspot.com/
連署反色情守門員 .. 這種主題一看就覺得超沒力...
到底是誰會去連署...
全文連結 2008-09-19 @ 18:51


<三>
迴響來自: yicheng [訪問者] · http://is0106.blogspot.com
常常遇到這種把自己的主見加上偏見的腦殘想法
強壓在別人身上

一副 "這都是為你好,你怎麼可以拒絕" 的嘴臉

好個頭啦

我尊重你的看法,但你有考慮過我的想法嗎

我最痛恨這種偽善的人阿!!!
全文連結 2008-09-19 @ 19:41



<四>
迴響來自: 撲朔 [訪問者]
把別人寄來的信件貼上網公開, 加上眉批, 外附一聲滾, 朱大, 您好氣魄, 好威風.

以前曾聽說有人把愛慕者寄來的信公開給別人看的事件, 我相當不認同這種行為, 不意今日在此見到, 雖然

艾姬的那封信並不是愛慕信.

至於那些嘲諷辱罵的路人甲乙丙丁, 唉...我唯一的感想, 這真是教育失敗, 教出這麼一群用文字來幸災樂

禍, 落井下石之徒.

對那些願意了解的朋友, 我大概說明一下, 色情守門員是由提供該服務的公司 "自行決定" 哪些是色情網站

並加以封鎖, 讓它的使用者無法連上那些網站. 沒錯, 是由它的人員自行決定, 而且還是工讀生. 問題在於

它憑什麼權力, 憑什麼標準決定哪些網站是色情網站?

它的做法, 很像以前國民黨時代所謂的黑名單. 政府可以依自己決定的標準, 將一些人士列入名單中拒絕入

境. 名列其上的人未必知道自己被封鎖了, 等到入不了境才發現這個事實, 就算向政府申訴也不得要領. 當

初被列在名單上的人, 當然氣炸了, 一如今日的艾姬.

另舉個近期的例子, 那就是中共的網路長城, 中共也是以自己的一套標準, 來決定它的網民可以連結的網站

.

這其實並不是個個案, 因為很多人其實不知道自己是不是也被列管了. 唯一知道的方式, 就只有找申裝色情

守門員的朋友來連自己的網站看看. 或許那時...各位會發現自己也是榜上有名.

撲朔拜上.
全文連結 2008-09-20 @ 01:35



<五>
請查閱《亞洲週刊》封面專題(2007-09-02)
http://www.yzzk.com/cfm/Content_Archive.cfm?Channel=ae&Path=227792981/34ae3.cfm

網民依法維權第一案 .李永峰
上海網民杜冬勁因網站被封而起訴中國電信,法院予以受理,揭開網民依法對抗網絡封堵第一案,但有學者

認為對中國政治難有大的衝擊。





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本篇作者致台灣的社會大眾,各位好:

我是科技遊俠「李麥克」,正在這個部落格發起一項活動:
本站歡迎「HiNet色情守門員」
Welcome HiNet sexy keeper
http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/news/welcomehinet
希望對所有寫部落格的台灣民眾,能夠捍衛自己言論自由。
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2008-09-20 @ 03:26
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: 撲朔 [訪問者]
把別人寄來的信件貼上網公開, 加上眉批, 外附一聲滾, 朱大, 您好氣魄, 好威風.

以前曾聽說有人把愛慕者寄來的信公開給別人看的事件, 我相當不認同這種行為, 不意今日在此見到, 雖然艾姬的那封信並不是愛慕信.

至於那些嘲諷辱罵的路人甲乙丙丁, 唉...我唯一的感想, 這真是教育失敗, 教出這麼一群用文字來幸災樂禍, 落井下石之徒.

對那些願意了解的朋友, 我大概說明一下, 色情守門員是由提供該服務的公司 "自行決定" 哪些是色情網站並加以封鎖, 讓它的使用者無法連上那些網站. 沒錯, 是由它的人員自行決定, 而且還是工讀生. 問題在於它憑什麼權力, 憑什麼標準決定哪些網站是色情網站?

它的做法, 很像以前國民黨時代所謂的黑名單. 政府可以依自己決定的標準, 將一些人士列入名單中拒絕入境. 名列其上的人未必知道自己被封鎖了, 等到入不了境才發現這個事實, 就算向政府申訴也不得要領. 當初被列在名單上的人, 當然氣炸了, 一如今日的艾姬.

另舉個近期的例子, 那就是中共的網路長城, 中共也是以自己的一套標準, 來決定它的網民可以連結的網站.

這其實並不是個個案, 因為很多人其實不知道自己是不是也被列管了. 唯一知道的方式, 就只有找申裝色情守門員的朋友來連自己的網站看看. 或許那時...各位會發現自己也是榜上有名.

撲朔拜上.
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可是艾姬台長的邏輯也確認讓人不認同
有求於別人還這麼沒有禮貌的,還虧她是一個部落格格主

再者,都說了這個東西是付費者同意才能安裝的,那也應該是由付費者出來連署抗議吧?人家擋了妳的網站,又沒有使用者出來抗議,不就表示對他們來說有沒有看到妳的部落格對他們來說根本沒有差........就那麼幾個朋友告訴妳他們看不到妳的文章,那就叫他們家裡不要安裝守門員不就好了嗎?

還有一個辦法就是去個國中小學與各校長、老師,及所有家長們對談,讓他們能夠接受他們的小孩子看妳網站的文章,如果他們無法接受請自己摸摸鼻子;如果他們能夠接受,就請他們都不要安裝守門員。
這不就好了嘛..........囧"
2008-09-20 @ 07:59
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]

請艾姬及其支持者不要濫用這裡充人氣...

我很久之前看過艾姬反對色情守門員那篇文章...看了之後我也沒什麼感覺
一方面我家沒裝,一方面我覺得這東西只是小眾市場,而且裝設是自由意志...
本來我沒有對那個部落格有什麼感覺,現在經過這樣一鬧...我必須承認我確實產生嫌惡的感覺...
當作是幫幫你自己...不要用這種方法充人氣。
2008-09-20 @ 09:03
迴響 from: Brian Hsu [訪問者] · http://bone.twbbs.org.tw/blog
說到色情守門員,我比較喜歡這一篇啦!

比起那個什麼鬼連署的有意義多了。
2008-09-20 @ 09:48
迴響 from: Brian Hsu [訪問者] · http://bone.twbbs.org.tw/blog
上一篇網址不見了,補上:
http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/news/leoncool/3/1297056313/20071019213058/
2008-09-20 @ 09:49

建議小掰
這麼怕文章被擋住看不到

可以去貼在Hinet的客服留言版或BBS上啊

色情守門員總不會擋自家的客服留言版吧


P.S.
真的這麼正義凜然
可以學朱大把本名端出來啊

2008-09-20 @ 10:05
迴響 from: 咕咕鳥 [訪問者]
抗議色情守門員連署活動??
可以取消啊?

ADSL是父母申請的..不能取消?
那自己不會去申請一條喔...

艾姬的情慾故事....
裡面的一些文章...是有點兒童不宜...
如果改成"艾姬的童話故事"
搞不好就不會擋了



2008-09-20 @ 10:13
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
對我不爽就去甲賽啦~~~又不差你這幾百個人不爽我,請到街角去排隊去~~~

Lucifer

這些什麼薄弱的邏輯還要浪費我的時間真好笑......






2008-09-20 @ 10:53
迴響 from: rainnylin [訪問者] · http://blog.xuite.net/rainnylin/blog
迴響來自: 撲朔 [訪問者]
to 偉:
對啊, 改天換你被擋時, 自然也不關其他人的事, 不是嗎? 嚴重地說, 就像當年納粹迫害猶太人一樣, 很多德國人也都認為不關他們的事, 但最後納粹不但迫害了猶太人, 也迫害和犧牲了很多德國人, 而這事也成了德國人永遠的國恥.

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這段話的語氣真的很熟悉,真像是某政黨要求民眾認同他們的理念的說法,不過通常有一群人是不會被迷惑低。
2008-09-20 @ 13:10
迴響 from: 路過的 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 朱恐龍 [成員] · http://www.myoops.org
這些什麼薄弱的邏輯還要浪費我的時間真好笑......

推這句就夠了
2008-09-20 @ 13:19
迴響 from: 撲朔 [訪問者]
第一, 我沒有對朱大不爽. 我只是覺得這樣公開別人的私信, 讓不相干的路人甲乙丙圍剿的作法不宜.

第二, 我人既來, 就不想去街角排隊. 邏輯薄弱之處, 還請朱大不吝指正.

第三, 我沒有打算藉此衝人氣. 純粹只是來同朱大聊聊. 如果說到這裡就可以衝人氣的話, 想來這裡的座上客都是人氣王了.

第四, 我再換個比喻來說明. 今天如果有人未經你的同意就在你家門口貼張條子 "內有惡犬, 禁止進入", 你會高興嗎? 如果有人要封路施工, 依法, 最起碼要向警察機關或業管單位申報並取得許可. 但中華電信作的這檔事, 連個依法都沒有, 完完全全地自把自為.

第五, 艾姬的網站確實有些讓人臉紅心跳的文章, 但是跟蘋果日報相比其實算不上什麼. 然而蘋果並不在封鎖之列. 這說明了色情守門員的封鎖機制並不一致.

第六, 那位李麥克先生, 你不是我們的盟友, 請你不要跟我們混在一起.
2008-09-20 @ 13:19
迴響 from: 新宅上路 [訪問者]
看完之後就是...
有個寫情慾文章的傢伙
部落格被色情守門員鎖了
然後到處找人抗議把事件鬧大
來找朱大贊聲
朱大跟眾宅們不想支持
就是這樣吧
那個愛機可以呼籲大家使用彎彎的
呆丸哥哥很大那一家的網路不就好了
話說
要是朱大這裡被鎖我還是看的到ㄚ
因為我滿18了家裡沒有守門員 ㄎㄎㄎ
2008-09-20 @ 13:43
迴響 from: 新宅上路 [訪問者]
看完之後就是...
有個寫情慾文章的傢伙
部落格被色情守門員鎖了
然後到處找人抗議把事件鬧大
來找朱大贊聲
朱大跟眾宅們不想支持
就是這樣吧
那個愛機可以呼籲大家使用彎彎的
呆丸哥哥很大那一家的網路不就好了
話說
要是朱大這裡被鎖我還是看的到ㄚ
因為我滿18了家裡沒有守門員 ㄎㄎㄎ
2008-09-20 @ 13:44
迴響 from: 小科男 [訪問者]
李麥克是李小克的old brother?
2008-09-20 @ 13:45
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/

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你一定很好奇我的底牌為什麼不是老k,你戴的那幅液晶體顯影眼鏡是美國過時的產生,我戴的這一幅液晶體顯影隱形眼鏡,是德國最新產品,價值11萬美金!
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2008-09-20 @ 13:45
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
中華電信並不是台灣唯一的ISP
色情守門員也並不是中華電信強迫搭配的服務

那張"內有惡犬, 禁止進入"並不是經過門口的人都會看到....


至於封路施工也只有要走那條路的人才會被影響到....

(幻海師範推薦:有靈力的人手裡的紙條才會變色)
2008-09-20 @ 13:55
迴響 from: 新朋友 [訪問者]
根據可靠消息, 那PC HOME站長年過30還是處女之身, 由於男人寧願瀏覽色情網站也不願碰他, 導致他身心不健全, 亂和你發怒...朱大你就行行好幫他解解渴吧 科科科
2008-09-20 @ 14:08
迴響 from: 撲朔 [訪問者]
to baabuu

當色情守門員使用者要連上該網址時, 螢幕就會跳出一個警示頁. 上面寫著要連的網頁是色情網站. 不過在艾姬找上立委陳情後, 中華電信己趕忙將它修改為兒少不宜.

我們爭取的不是受不受影響, 要作到這點其實很簡單, 私底下找有力人士叫他們把艾姬的網址從封鎖資料庫內移掉就好了. 我們爭取的是中華電信做不到的, 因為中華電信一方面於法無據, 一方面作法不夠周全. 它想改善也改不了.

然而這點不規範好的話, 那以後恐怕誰都可以隨便挖馬路, 隨便設路障了.
2008-09-20 @ 14:09
迴響 from: 撲朔 [訪問者]
新朋友? 還是該叫你李麥克.
2008-09-20 @ 14:10
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
中華電信應該要感謝你們,把一個支持的活動弄成自己分派系跟別人大戰的小鼻子小眼睛家家酒~~~

連旁人說個加油就叫冷血,你們是中華電信派來臥底的喔?

Lucifer

2008-09-20 @ 14:45
迴響 from: palm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ruaypapa
換個角度想
今天如果我心血來潮
想換換口味
我會用搜尋引擎
您說我會打上哪些關鍵字呢
色情、情慾、成人………
您說
我會不會搜尋到艾姬的文章呢
如果我看完她的文章
會不會讓我的熱血當場冷掉
然後幹聲連連呢

再換個角度想
再過個幾年
軟硬體會更發達
我兒子也長到我當年會帶A書到學校的年紀了
我想
我會跟當年被叫到學校領我回去的爹一樣
只是淡淡的說:
別告訴你媽
還有
別太相信裡面的情節
都在唬爛!!!!!

但是
如果他太過沉迷而荒廢學或業時
我想
到時應該會有關鍵字封鎖
您說
我會先封鎖哪些關鍵字呢

我會先封鎖
色情、情慾、成人………
再不行
就封鎖動漫
然後就是線上遊戲
再來…………
……………

為人父母者 不都是如此

Hinet
不就是在做這事麼


P.S
別跟我說什麼父母應該陪小孩一起上網學習
我以前會在爹娘睡著後爬起來打0204
現在也會在老婆小孩昏睡後上網看A圖
您說
我兒子會不會比我強
那我是不是要比他更晚睡囉

真要一起學習
那我要不要跟他一起去學校
學校有好老師、好同學
但也有爛咖老師和同學
我要不要幫他過濾啊

套一句皇四子他母后說的
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/sega2727/29033624
「她如果自己不想變壞,也沒人可以帶壞她,跟別人沒關係」


2008-09-20 @ 15:03
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
to 撲朔:
Hinet的色情守門員提供的功能有很多單機版軟體早就已經提供了,並且這些單機版軟體也是根據他們公司的判斷規則加以封鎖,當然這些規則一定是人訂出來的,所以照你的邏輯這些單機軟體應該也是於法無據,不夠周全吧。

還有就算不安裝這些單機軟體,就ie本身就可以在瀏覽器的功能設定內容警告器,這就是色情守門員所提供的功能,當然他參照的是國外的分類網站←這個一樣要收錢,有專門機構在收集分析網頁內的色情暴力資訊並加以分類。所以照你的標準這些國外的分類網站應該也是於法無據,不夠周全吧。

再來,你們口口聲聲所說的色情守門員根本就是台灣版網路長城,這更是荒謬到一個極致。請問一下一個是主動申請來保護自己家中未成年小孩的工具;一個是就算不申請都躲避不了,甚至還會招來公安到家裡泡茶聊天的非自願性監控工具,這兩者到底哪裡相同了?

幫個忙,回去把自己的說法想清楚,想清楚了再回頭看看自己的發言就會知道自己哪裡邏輯不清了。加油,好嗎?
2008-09-20 @ 15:11
迴響 from: 西方嘖 [訪問者]
給反對方:
還是一句話,Hinet只是一家私人企業,只是他口碑比較老而已
如果不滿意他的服務態度,可以跟他說
如果他的行為有違法,請去跟法院提告

你可以找一萬個網友連署
你可以在新聞上輿論上反對

這誰都管不著

反過來說,每個人都可以表達自己的主張
而我猜艾姬惹朱大不爽的原因是...激將法用的太強硬了
2008-09-20 @ 15:20
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
李麥克

是夥計的駕駛人

小時候禮拜六晚上中視有播

好像叫做霹靂遊俠的樣子
2008-09-20 @ 15:32
迴響 from: 新朋友 [訪問者]
撲朔, 還是該叫你愛姬??? 我是李麥克的話我會說我是李麥克, 不像你明明就是愛姬還取個什麼撲朔... 誰會無聊像你在網路取匿名掩飾匿名...

請你不要一直在這重複些沒人想聽的廢話! 這件雞毛蒜皮的事對你如此的憂國憂民的話, 你可以去選立委選總統來改變, 但到時不要再到處發信雞歪沒人投你票 .....罵朱大冷血前你為什麼不贊許他為某位警員做的事??!! 比你那啥鳥色情啥的有意義多了!! 請你 "滾!!!"
2008-09-20 @ 15:54
迴響 from: 新朋友 [訪問者]
To Chieeh:
美國NBC電台現在剛開始演新一代霹靂遊俠(Knight Rider)...他們網站上可以看, 我還沒機會看就是了...
2008-09-20 @ 16:00
迴響 from: GCVincent [訪問者]
是誰無事種芭蕉,早也瀟瀟,晚也瀟瀟。
據說德國人連沖馬桶都要加蓋,真是太無聊了。
啦賽吃啦賽大~

網有提供的連結,本日加鹽
>虽然三鹿奶粉有毒,但三鹿奶粉解决了中国数亿婴幼儿的吃饭问题,历史上谁能做得到?

造句
納粹雖然有罪,但是納粹解決了德國數百萬猶太人的吃飯問題,歷史上有誰能做得到?

其實毛主席透過文革永久解決了千萬中國人的吃飯問題,更強大~
跟不良基因排除法有異曲同工之妙。

Orz
2008-09-20 @ 16:09
迴響 from: 撲朔 [訪問者]
to 新朋友, 我是愛姬? 如果你真有可靠消息的話, 就不會問這麼蠢的問題了. 你繼續瞎猜吧. 我要戳破你謊話的用意已經達到了. 肛溫啦.

to 朱大, 關於這個李麥克, 是個不請自來的傢伙, 擅自運用我們的資料當作他自己網站的資料, 這樣講, 您應該知道他是個什麼樣的人. 我們沒有興趣跟他吵, 也不希望有這樣的人跟我們同一掛, 但是此人死纏不休硬要跟我們連在一起, 所以我要在此先說明, 免得讓各位誤會我跟他是一掛的. 相信你也不希望有人冒充是你的好朋友, 卻在你的留言版上撒野吧. 我當然很希望看到這個撒野沒家教的人被朱大版主管教管教, 但他是你的客人, 不是我的, 我不便在此要求什麼.

to 其他朋友, 由於要想一下怎麼回應較恰當, 晚點再回應.
2008-09-20 @ 16:34
迴響 from: 新朋友 [訪問者]
撲朔, 請分清楚我用意是在稽諷不是在說謊... 我以為我很明確的表達到沒人會笨的看不懂... 也沒有想花時間猜你是誰做什麼長啥樣 談話結束謝謝 朱大加油~
2008-09-20 @ 17:45
迴響 from: 艾達 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/amande
看到這篇文章,覺得寫得很好
其實
她的呼籲也不是人人認同
http://stwhy.blogspot.com/2008/09/blog-post_19.html
2008-09-20 @ 18:20
迴響 from: 艾達 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/amande


理直才能氣壯吧
艾姬跟撲朔的留言很硬凹喔
哪裡邏輯薄弱
已經有網友為文告訴你們了
兔眼看天下的那篇還看不懂的話
這裡有比較白話的

http://stwhy.blogspot.com/2008/09/blog-post_19.html



推朱大的「滾」



2008-09-20 @ 18:35
迴響 from: 我天天都路過 [訪問者]
害我現在搞了個水桶在房間接水------------啊是不會接一條水管喔.然後拉到外面滴到樓下做為奉荼咩(而且應該是涼的吧),,,,,,,,,,,后...好幾個在兔大那邊亂的也跑來這裏囉.........朱大你應該去收個仲介費
2008-09-20 @ 19:06
迴響 from: DUDU [訪問者]
因為口才不好...我用自己蒐藏的最佳引言來回覆吧。

to艾姬、撲朔:
「你想笑死我?」
「有種"我說的話就是證據的氣魄"」
「誰來告訴我正不正常該怎麼分辨?」
「人是會想辦法證明自己是對的生物,
 所以有時候腦袋裡有一種想法時,
 就可能會盡可能地找出理由說服自己是對的。」
「到法庭不要講法官不會相信的話!」
「不是這裡的人排擠你
 而是你的態度讓人有這種反應」
「這裡沒有人!聽不懂嗎?
 這裡只有阿宅,阿宅和成千上萬的阿宅!」
「愛因斯坦:和人類的愚蠢相比,我只知道宇宙是有盡頭的
 相良宗介:肯定的」
2008-09-20 @ 19:43
迴響 from: Ker Ker [訪問者]
原來不支持活動就是沒有道德勇氣喔XD不支持可以有很多原因阿,況且每個人對事情的熱衷程度本身就會有所不同啦。再說 連神明都沒有求必應了 卻要求朱大有求必應 也許在他心中珠大比神更強吧 ker ker
2008-09-20 @ 21:10
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]

我看...我這篇可以關掉了...
現在應該繼續吵的大部分都不是阿宅了...吧...

2008-09-20 @ 22:37
迴響 from: 紅葉 [訪問者] · http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/news/redyeh
響來自: 新朋友 [訪問者]
To Chieeh:
美國NBC電台現在剛開始演新一代霹靂遊俠(Knight Rider)...他們網站上可以看, 我還沒機會看就是了...

.....................................................................................

新一代的夥計是用福特野馬改裝而成,不但火力強大,而且還能變色,而且據說上一代的夥計及李麥克都還在,而且李麥克還是新一代主角的爸呢.......
2008-09-20 @ 23:05
迴響 from: 天將奔烈 [訪問者]
to艾姬、撲朔等人:

你們的邏輯怪怪的,手法也粗糙。

若中華電信不是以"色情守門員"這個需要申請的產品來阻擋色情資訊,
而是以isp的立場封鎖所有情色資訊,那麼你們的抗議才有基礎,
但是不用等到你們抗議,自然會有一群憤怒的群眾跑去包圍中華電信。
2008-09-21 @ 00:08
迴響 from: Chieeh 請大家十月二日來美和聽朱豪宅演講啊XD [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
要不要用色情守門員,決定權在消費者

所以只要你沒有使用,就不會被影響

所以你老爸覺得你還不到該接收這些內容的時候

你就有可能會看不到

想看這類內容其實跟同學要都有

所以有必要出動專門得罪權貴&財團的朱豪宅嗎= =?

如果哪天他看不到高樹瑪利亞

不用你寄信,他一定會直接撞進去ISP業者,而且還會猛力的撞、用力的撞
2008-09-21 @ 03:28
迴響 from: 撲朔 [訪問者]
HA, HA. That's a good idea. I will put it into consideration.
2008-09-21 @ 03:30
迴響 from: 新朋友 [訪問者]
本人瞄了下愛姬PC Home 部落後之感想

他自己部落的表達作風和在朱大這(email 和留言) 給我的感覺有異曲同工之處 不誇張有至少十篇是有關怨恨色守門員 並分散到至少五種文章類別裡

他很下流的一篇與大家分享
http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/news/cfsagnes/3/1308332842/20080623211629
這篇對女王(I'm Queen)充滿著妒嫉抨擊並辱罵女王的寫作才能 暗示著女王滿身銅臭味寫做能力平凡只靠外表和媒體包裝 ; 另方面才華出眾但無姿色的他(愛姬)卻孤落寡文... 連他多年效忠的PC Home也不鳥他卻會歡迎女王回去.. 應該是愛姬文章市場冷門, 長相不行, 又不懂自我行銷, 導致他人氣和銅氣不足而怨天尤人

本人偏見
1. 愛姬應該有OCD(Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) or Alzheimer, 因為同個概念他可以用不同詞句重複無限遍, 好的作家應該會避免把理念重複到讓讀者覺得是廢話垃圾..不解愛姬為何可自認清高自以為才華洋溢, 都是些通俗的情色色情文章, 我寧願去搜色情網站..本人倒覺得女王的非廣告類文章還滿有意思的 而且他會掌握自己的讀群市場~

2. 愛姬已經不是第一次亂咬人了..他在他部落裡咬過女王, 現在又跑來咬朱大一口, 誰人能把他鍊子綁回?? 不知他在那又咬過了誰... 愛姬阿, 真正的聖賢才子是不會去理會批評他人的行為舉止, 或他人對自己的批判要求 ; 你管女王寫什麼賺多少? 管誰軟體讓你部落變搜索不到? 管朱大不熱血普渡你? 何不做好自己的寫作和對人處事, 該自我簡討~
2008-09-21 @ 04:47
迴響 from: 新朋友 [訪問者]
"Chieeh: 要不要用色情守門員,決定權在消費者
所以只要你沒有使用,就不會被影響"

Chieeh 非常一針見血~ 雷同, 我如果知道這件衣服太醜, 會讓我吸引不到我想吸引的女人, 我不會買它或穿它 ; 但同時我也不會去法院告它公司做這醜衣服想賣給消費者.....

to 艾達, 謝謝你link 的文章 也是一針見血的公正角度~

但我還是覺得他們不是聽不懂就是不想聽懂
2008-09-21 @ 05:13
迴響 from: 撲朔 [訪問者]

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder?

新朋友, 願你這病早好.
2008-09-21 @ 05:22
迴響 from: 失憶老人 [訪問者]
我一向不喜歡看人家寫有關情慾之類的東西
可能我比較著重精神層面,覺得「情」才有需要探討的空間,而「慾」不過就是生理的發洩;所以一直不曾參與這個題目。
由於新朋友的推薦,好奇過去看了幾篇艾姬的文。
只覺得,艾姬約莫是文人相輕的發洩吧。
文字之於女王,是生存的工具,所以她行銷自己並沒有妨礙了誰,至少沒有消費他人(只能說她消費了「男人」和「女人」);
在這平台,文字之於我輩,是表達感想的工具,只要文詞流暢、語意清晰,讓人不至於看不懂即可。
我認為好看的文章,不需要鋪陳太過華麗的辭藻,但要讓人感受到裡面有股燃燒的熱情…
單就艾姬自豪文字運用不輸女王這點,當然沒錯;但你的熱情要燃燒起來。

那位撲朔先生不會也要戰我吧……我戰力薄弱+沒耐心…請不要罵我,謝謝。
2008-09-21 @ 09:32
迴響 from: ㄎㄎman [訪問者]
ㄎㄎ

第一次留言,

這次妹是我的菜阿,不然我才不會留言呢!!

說話真嗆!!

我再也聽不到怎麼辦\(^▽^)/~
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2008-09-21 @ 16:27
迴響 from: 濺嗓家 [訪問者]
不知它們這封信是不是??收件者改個名,就又寄給下一個部落客了
2008-09-21 @ 17:26
迴響 from: 黯腦 [訪問者] · http://WeAreMoney.net
朱大
GJ~
要人幫手都要注意自己的語氣
人家幫你不是你應份
2008-09-21 @ 19:30
迴響 from: 天將奔烈 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 撲朔 [訪問者]
至於家長在這方面應扮演的角色, 在 FOSI 這篇裏講的很詳細......
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* 所以家長們應該每天做這10件事情,而不應申請色情守門員這個服務嗎?


今天色情守門員到底封了什麼, 這些使用者根本一點都不知道, 全然的任那些工讀生為他們決定.
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* 今天色情守門員到底封了什麼, 這些使用者根本一點都不需要知道, 全然的任那些工讀生為他們決定就可以了,使用者只需要知道這個自己申請的產品可以過濾掉一些情色的資訊(雖然很好破解),讓他們的小孩不要太早接受到似是而非的情色資訊。

至於上法院告它? 這是個好建議, 大家可以試著找一下要用哪一條法條. 我之前找過一次, 結果由於網路是個新興的世界, 舊有的法律並不是很適用於這個虛擬世界. 並沒有多少法條適用. 比方說, 封鎖文學網站, 是否違反憲法規定人民有出版和言論的自由? 這點大家可以進一步討論一下.
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* 哈哈哈,嗯.......是的,我會好好找一下,我也會好好的進一步討論一下.......
.........你是哪根X......(翻桌)

但是我可以宣布因此事件禁止進口所有中國商品, 以此一商業制裁來逼迫該公司乃至整個中國改進
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* 是阿,你可以的........我也很希望你這麼做.......
兔眼看天下的論點都很清楚,你可以在他的回覆裡學到更多對你們有利的東西。

我的認知是你們邏輯怪怪的也沒有禮貌。

不過,既然你認為是大事且也在努力,我還是會替你加油的,經歷過此一事件,
相信對你的人生會有很正面的影響,希望你能在此事件改善你的邏輯能力及禮節。
(這不是嘲諷,我是說真的)


2008-09-21 @ 21:41
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: 撲朔 [訪問者]
我方的認知則是將這件事當作是違反人民言論自由的大事, 這是雙方認知上的差異.
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其實我倒是完全看不出來這件事跟違反人民言論自由有什麼關係?新聞台有被強迫關閉嗎?還不是照寫照罵!
人家家長就是不想讓自己的小孩看到這些情色文章,管它是不是藝術都不想看,這是他們的自由不是嗎?還是說不想看艾姬的文章就是不對、就是不行?等他們小孩有本事自己賺錢自己申請不要安裝色情管理員,愛看什麼片就一堆,但是,是等小孩長大有本事自己賺錢之後!


什麼違反言論自由......簡直是無限上綱..............囧"
2008-09-21 @ 22:18
迴響 from: 撲朔 [訪問者]

TO 天將奔烈, "...你是哪根X...", 閣下還真是有禮貌啊, 你這樣的人, 憑什麼教我什麼是禮貌? 只會撿拾別人的問答東剪西貼來作文章, 也配教我什麼是邏輯? 我聽你在放屁. 這樣對你夠禮貌了吧.


2008-09-21 @ 23:48
迴響 from: 艾達 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/amande
TO 新朋友
不客氣
我寫不出來
但是提供資訊倒沒問題

他們聽不懂是正常的
網路的好玩之處就在觀賞小白門宣揚小白星人的邏輯與理念阿

TO 撲朔

你引用的文章完全不是「兔眼看天下」寫的
是「魚的水族箱」寫的
「兔眼看天下」算是讀這篇文章的先備知識
你既然想挑起筆戰
就該認真一點
因為你的立論很薄弱阿

況且如果你不是艾姬本人的話
說話前必須注意禮貌
因為你正在幫他得罪他文章的潛在讀者...一群阿宅

雖然阿宅也不見得會要看他的文章(阿宅自有抓圖抓片的本事,什麼守門員都守不住的)
不過潛在讀者之所以成為潛在讀者
就因為他是潛在嘛

喔...不過...
艾姬如果真的夠有名
二十萬戶應該是不會看在眼內的啦
畢竟人家灣灣一天閱覽量就破十萬了阿

你說對不對?
2008-09-22 @ 02:44
迴響 from: 艾達 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/amande

TO 撲朔

哎呀呀呀
我又漏說一句(看看我這記性...)

如果你要反駁的話
應該去找原PO文者阿(就是那個魚的水族箱的格主)

偷偷摸摸PO在這裡
是怕說給原作者知道辯不過人家吧?

因為

你的立論基礎很薄弱阿



2008-09-22 @ 02:48
迴響 from: 發條烏鴉 [訪問者]
無聊

一罵家長管教小孩偷懶

二罵種花電信亂鎖人家網站

三罵「知名網路格主」冷血

四罵「無知網友」撿拾別人回答做文章


要搞得活動也搞得如此不堪,還遭眾人唾棄

我只能說,替自己行行好,別再胡鬧下去了吧


2008-09-22 @ 03:47
迴響 from: Colin [訪問者]
看到反對色情守門員這標題

就讓我覺得喊出這句話的人似乎還在包尿布吃奶嘴...

中華電信只是提供一項服務 給家裡有 "未成年人" 的 "監護人" 來保護其不受到不當資訊污染

真的想當面問問那不知所云傢伙...蠢字知不知道怎麼寫

如果長期都在看朱大部落閣的話

也應該知道朱大對於道德教育的用心與標準吧

"道不同不相為謀" 連這點都不知道的人到底是哪冒出來的...
2008-09-22 @ 10:35
迴響 from: Siva [訪問者]
嗯~真的要麻煩"撲朔"去看一下"兔眼看天下"的文章

樂穎跟小兒都有跟該格主回覆討論過了~看完回覆就知道

你們的論點立場真的很薄弱,兔眼看天下的格主也都有指出

我只想說,守門員是"付費服務",可供消費者選擇,而中國長城防護,是"公權力",是不能選擇的...請別拿兩者來比較,就算是同機制又怎樣呢??

該抗議的是守門員申請人(家長),因為有資格對該"付費服務"抱怨的是他們,而不是看不到艾姬文章的人~

兔眼格主也舉例大麥克漢堡例子,今天假設有工讀生,他也只是"操作者","決策者"並不是他們,所以工讀生專不專業,也不是你們來質疑,是"消費者"的權利啊!!
2008-09-22 @ 12:19
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
原來如此
所以照撲朔的邏輯,防毒軟體跟防火牆也是該抗議的了
把病毒跟惡意封包擋在門外,這是於法無據,不夠周全的
因為病毒跟惡意封包可是駭客們的程式技術的創作,就如同情色文學是文學藝術的創作一樣,我們不能因為這些東西對電腦或是未成年人有害,就付費購買相關軟體或服務,把它擋在外面,因為這樣是於法無據,不夠周全的

防毒軟體跟防火牆真是該死!因為他們不能夠100%把世界上全部的病毒、木馬、蠕蟲都抓到,所以這些防毒公司一定都是選擇性辦案,這些防毒軟體的偵測機制也都是人寫進去的,防火牆的過濾規則也是人寫進去的,所以只要有漏網之魚,這一定是於法無據,不夠周全的選擇性辦案啊!

我到今天才知道,原來製造病毒危害使用者電腦的人可以振振有詞的指責防毒軟體公司說他們的防堵是於法無據,不夠周全

我應該去跟我的朋友們說,然後找立委,找駭客界的網友連署,大家一起向趨勢、Norton跟卡巴斯基抗議,希望他們會比中華電信好溝通的多
2008-09-22 @ 12:21
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: 撲朔 [訪問者]

TO 天將奔烈, "...你是哪根X...", 閣下還真是有禮貌啊, 你這樣的人, 憑什麼教我什麼是禮貌? 只會撿拾別人的問答東剪西貼來作文章, 也配教我什麼是邏輯? 我聽你在放屁. 這樣對你夠禮貌了吧.

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人是互相的......我們在這裡也看你們放屁很久了.......我覺得已經算是客氣了.......雖然說不上所謂的禮貌.......囧"
2008-09-22 @ 12:57
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: 大法師 [訪問者]
原來如此
所以照撲朔的邏輯,防毒軟體跟防火牆也是該抗議的了
(以下恕刪)
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如果撲朔桑要去跟趨勢啊、賽門鐵克抗議的時候要記得通知我啊!這個我一定參加XD!
2008-09-22 @ 12:59
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: Colin [訪問者]
看到反對色情守門員這標題

就讓我覺得喊出這句話的人似乎還在包尿布吃奶嘴...

中華電信只是提供一項服務 給家裡有 "未成年人" 的 "監護人" 來保護其不受到不當資訊污染

真的想當面問問那不知所云傢伙...蠢字知不知道怎麼寫
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我知道蠢字怎麼寫.......就春天的兩條蟲.......囧"



可是中秋節都已經過了怎麼還有蟲出現XD!
2008-09-22 @ 13:01
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 撲朔 [訪問者]
對那些願意了解的朋友, 我大概說明一下, 色情守門員是由提供該服務的公司 "自行決定" 哪些是色情網站並加以封鎖, 讓它的使用者無法連上那些網站. 沒錯, 是由它的人員自行決定, 而且還是工讀生. 問題在於它憑什麼權力, 憑什麼標準決定哪些網站是色情網站?
2008-09-20 @ 01:35

to 撲朔
這是你在09-20所提的問題,憑什麼標準決定哪些網站是色情網站。

然後你在09-21回答了自己的提問如下:

迴響來自: 撲朔
第五條 出版品之內容有下列情形之一,有害兒童及少年身心健康者,列為限制級,未滿十八歲之人不得閱聽:
一、過當描述賭博、吸毒、販毒、搶劫、竊盜、綁架、殺人或其他犯罪行為者。
二、過當描述自殺過程者。
三、有恐怖、血腥、殘暴、變態等情節且表現方式強烈,一般成年人尚可接受者。
四、以語言、文字、對白、聲音、圖畫、攝影描繪性行為、淫穢情節或裸露人體性器官,尚不致引起一般成年人羞恥或厭惡感者。
2008-09-21

上面這些條文不就是標準了嗎?說明了以語言、文字、對白、聲音、圖畫、攝影描繪性行為、淫穢情節或裸露人體性器官,尚不致引起一般成年人羞恥或厭惡感者也就是這個標準,讓愛姬血的情色文章被色情守門員攔截,並對有裝設此服務的用戶提出警告。

迴響來自: 撲朔
色情守門員的機制跟中共的網路長城是一樣的, 透過資料庫比對, 封鎖網站連結. 當然, 在使用者的區別上則不一樣, 網路長城是強制性的安在他們頭上, 色情守門員則是使用者心甘情願付費自己套上的. 說難聽點, 今天色情守門員到底封了什麼, 這些使用者根本一點都不知道, 全然的任那些工讀生為他們決定.
2008-09-21

同一篇回應中提到網路長城跟色情守門員的比對,我在先前的回應裡就已經說明了:一個是主動申請來保護自己家中未成年小孩的工具;一個是就算不申請都躲避不了,甚至還會招來公安到家裡泡茶聊天的非自願性監控工具,這兩者到底哪裡相同了?

再說,如果花錢安裝的使用者就是不想要知道色情守門員到底封鎖了什麼,他們就是喜歡選擇當那個想要回到母體裡去,什麼都不想知道的人,那你管他那麼多要幹嘛?

你可以選擇去抗議中華電信,為什麼他的使用者不能選擇管他色情守門員封鎖三小網頁,只要我家小孩看不到色情暴力的東西就好了。

誠心的建議你,如果要訴之以理,請真的加強你的邏輯,如此你的立論才不會薄弱到漏洞百出;若要動之以情,那很顯然地以目前所看到你所貼的部分,沒辦法打動人,所以,加油,好嗎?
2008-09-22 @ 13:05
迴響 from: 無盡‧永恆 [訪問者]
囧興...錯字
讓愛姬"血"的情色文章,應為讓愛姬寫的情色文章。
2008-09-22 @ 13:08
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
to ninny
我也要去抗議啊啊啊!
只不過我們跟撲朔抗議的地方可能不太一樣
他抗議的是,防毒軟體公司憑什麼靠著資料庫病毒碼的比對來防堵病毒,這可是無數駭客們的心血結晶!這是違反創作自由!然後為什麼有些病毒攔得到,有些攔不到?這是選擇性辦案!

而我們抗議的是,他X的!你防堵率只有80%還敢跟我要一年990元的續約費用(是哪一家各位自行猜測),我們不管你用什麼方法攔到啥病毒,總之寧可錯殺一百,不可放過一毒,否則就退錢退錢!

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其實卡巴斯基就是採用這種通殺的方法來達到他的高防堵率,因此在玩遊戲或是執行一些程式的時候,常常會被卡巴攔截下來,導致不能正常執行,為了捍衛黑客創作病毒跟入侵使用者電腦的自由與權益,我們一起去跟卡巴抗議吧!科科!
2008-09-22 @ 13:24
迴響 from: simon~~大推紅葉大的小說!! [訪問者]
人嘞?
怎麼不再戰下去了?
快回來啊,小弟我還想看邏輯薄弱的人被修理啊~~

那位艾姬的新聞台俺去看過了,
圖很不錯啦,但就是不夠大,難怪人氣和朱宅的布落格的不能相比!!
2008-09-22 @ 16:41
迴響 from: 邪惡阿宅 [訪問者]
快來放屁吧,噗朔

戰吧~~戰吧~~

要克服逆境,努力迎戰

加油吧 ~~ 科科科.....
2008-09-22 @ 19:34
迴響 from: Colin [訪問者]

春天的兩條蟲

嗯...在下受教了 (被拖走
2008-09-22 @ 21:15
迴響 from: 撲朔 [訪問者]

TO 艾達, 首先請你回頭看一下自己9/20 18:20及18:35的留言, 如果你沒瞎的話, 你應該會發現你貼的2個網址是一樣的. 我可以原諒你的無心, 但是拿自己的錯誤來指正別人, 那是很滑稽的事. 請改進. 我不去魚的水族箱的原因也很簡單, 我沒那麼多美國時間. 這裡就夠我忙了, 我回你的留言只是證明你引用論點的謬誤. 當然啦, 如果你這麼希望我去的話, 改天等我有空, 必當登箱造訪, 那時還煩你替我引見引見.

TO SIVA, 感謝你支持我所說的兩者確實機制相同, 只是一個要錢, 一個不要錢. 這一點是回 無盡‧永恆 於9/20 15:11認為兩者是完全沒有相同之處的.

TO 大法師, 請參看http://law.moj.gov.tw/Scripts/Query4B.asp?Lcode=C0000001&LCC=2&LCNO=358. 中華民國刑法第 三六 章 妨害電腦使用罪

TO NINNY, 誰跟你互相, 我可沒對不起你的地方, 你這樣叫客氣? 喂, 這真的是太超過了.

TO 無盡‧永恆, 我要感謝你, 你恐怕是這裡唯一一個有認真看我回應的人. 因此, 我很樂意為您解答. 第一, 該 "出版品及錄影節目帶分級辦法" http://info.gio.gov.tw/ct.asp?xItem=18580&CtNode=3753&mp=3 只是個辦法. 它沒有所謂的執行機關, 依第四條規定, 它的分級還是由發行供應者自行分級的. 所以就算要作分級也是要由出版商分級, 若有爭議則得諮詢出版品分級專業團體意見, 它並沒有說可以由中華電信越俎代庖, 更別提工讀生.

其次守門員跟網路長城真的是同樣的作業機制, 當使用者要連線到某一網站時, 伺服器會比對資料庫內的清單, 若是黑名單內的網址, 就不准連線, 這是它們兩者的相同點, 這一點並不會因兩者收不收費的差異而有不同. (色情守門員並不是裝在使用者電腦裏的程式, 它是 ISP 端的一個工具)

對那些不想知道自己失去什麼的人, 我不會多說什麼. 我的目標是那些想知道自己失去什麼的人. 就像駭客任務最後一集, 人們最終有了選擇權, 選擇要繼續留在母體就繼續留著, 但想離去的則可離去. 我們的任務就是讓大家知道有這回事, 至於你要如何選擇, 那也是由你決定, 我不會逼你.
2008-09-22 @ 21:31
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: 撲朔 [訪問者]
TO NINNY, 誰跟你互相, 我可沒對不起你的地方, 你這樣叫客氣? 喂, 這真的是太超過了.
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你在這裡放屁這麼久了,我們也沒有人叫你去吃屎吧?
這還不叫互相叫什麼?
我們也沒有口出三字經,這樣還不算客氣嗎?

對那些不想知道自己失去什麼的人, 我不會多說什麼. 我的目標是那些想知道自己失去什麼的人. 就像駭客任務最後一集, 人們最終有了選擇權, 選擇要繼續留在母體就繼續留著, 但想離去的則可離去. 我們的任務就是讓大家知道有這回事, 至於你要如何選擇, 那也是由你決定, 我不會逼你.
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艾姬的新聞台我老早之前就看過了,不過對她的文章並沒有太大興趣,看不到她的文章對我來說根本無關痛養,啊人家家長就已經選擇了不要讓他們的小孩看到艾姬的文章了,然後你說艾姬搞這種反色情管理員的活動不是在逼人家的話,我覺得那才是太超過了!
2008-09-22 @ 21:47
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: simon~~大推紅葉大的小說!! [訪問者]
人嘞?
怎麼不再戰下去了?
快回來啊,小弟我還想看邏輯薄弱的人被修理啊~~

那位艾姬的新聞台俺去看過了,
圖很不錯啦,但就是不夠大,難怪人氣和朱宅的布落格的不能相比!!
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不會啊,他們的邏輯並不薄弱,反正講來講去就那些...........囧"
2008-09-22 @ 21:49
迴響 from: 所謂站長 [訪問者]
我這裡是"中立區"哦!
我只想留言給宅大
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看到宅大"飄逸"的長髮居然修短了
真是可惜
之前還出現在某雜誌封面說
**
PCHOME所謂的站長是指"個人新聞台"站長
其實就是一般的部落客
本身並不代表PCHOME
*
宅大為此特別寫這篇文章
這兩天必然為她的部落格帶來不少人氣
反而是
加持她
暗助她
推薦她
鼓勵她
頗符合"證嚴法師"的名言喲
嗯~ 真是佛心來的啦!!


2008-09-23 @ 01:04
迴響 from: 艾達 [訪問者]


TO 撲朔

我從頭到尾貼的兩個網址都是魚的水族箱的網址阿
兔眼看天下的連結在更上面的留言有
在我介紹的那篇文章也有
你自己都搞不清楚自己造訪的是那網站
還不肯承認自己不認真阿?

而且我幹嘛要幫你引見?
你來這裡留言又是誰幫你引見的阿?

還是一樣,你的反駁很弱阿

那個愛雞的網站我也看過啦,文章就是還好而已嘛
我是寫不出來這麼大一篇反駁你們啦
所以介紹一篇文章給大家

不是說知己知彼百戰百勝嗎?
你連人家最基本的論點都反駁不了
只能吸引一堆小朋友跟不具名的聯署人來聯署(職業還可以填新聞台台長喔?)這到底是能影響誰阿?

要發起這種無關痛癢的活動也是你們的自由啦
但是可以不要到處騷擾人家吧?
你們的自由已經影響到別人的爽快啦

還有阿
愛雞是作家是吧?
我看我也來發起一個「拒買愛雞作品」的聯署好了
搞不好比你們的聯署還熱烈勒

我可沒有發起什麼「要求愛雞與其朋友們改進態度與禮貌」的聯署喔
是「拒買愛雞作品」的聯署喔
這樣可算是我的言論自由了吧?



2008-09-23 @ 01:05
迴響 from: 所謂站長 [訪問者]
啊~~
打錯了
是"台長"才對
2008-09-23 @ 01:07
迴響 from: 邪惡阿宅 [訪問者]
TO 艾達

嗯~~好點子

可以弄個 "反愛雞" 的BLOG小貼紙,或是 "愛雞、愛.雞.掰" 的聯署活動呢

科科科...

嗯 愛雞的BLOG很難看呢 "噗"朔 要多多加油阿 火力很弱呢

是否想罵髒話又怕被告呢?? 不要忍耐會得內傷的 科科...
2008-09-23 @ 08:34
迴響 from: peggydoll [訪問者]
拍拍拍拍拍拍~~~
大家戰了六天...辛苦了辛苦了~!!
總之一句話把拔馬麻說什麼就是什麼...小朋友聽話就對了~!!
很多事等你長大了就會知道..現在不用急~!!
已經長大的也不用急...懂得虛心學習才會成長

我沒有小孩但是我支持色情守門員...
2008-09-23 @ 11:04
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
to撲朔

哈哈哈!就等你回這句!這條大魚上鉤囉!

出版品及錄影節目帶分級辦法 第2條
本辦法用詞定義如下:
一、出版品:指以文字記載或圖畫描述事物之刊物、冊籍及錄製僅具聲音
效果之錄音產品。
二、錄影節目帶:指經由電子掃描作用,在電視接收機或類似機具上顯示
系統性聲音及影像之錄影帶 (片) 等產品。但電腦程式產品不屬之。

刑法第235條 妨害風化罪
散布、播送或販賣猥褻之文字、圖畫、聲音、影像或其他物品,或公然陳列,或以他法供人觀覽、聽聞者,處二年以下有期徒刑、拘役或科或併科
三萬元以下罰金。
意圖散布、播送、販賣而製造、持有前項文字、圖畫、聲音、影像及其附著物或其他物品者,亦同。
前二項之文字、圖畫、聲音或影像之附著物及物品,不問屬於犯人與否,
沒收之。

兒童及少年福利法(雖然有人說他是惡法,但惡法亦法,在沒修法前,他就是法律)
27條
出版品、電腦軟體、電腦網路應予分級;其他有害兒童及少年身心健康之物品,經目的事業主管機關認定應予分級者,亦同。
前項物品列為限制級者,禁止對兒童及少年為租售、散布、播送或公然陳列。

29條
父母、監護人或其他實際照顧兒童及少年之人,應禁止兒童及少年充當前
條第一項場所之侍應或從事危險、不正當或其他足以危害或影響其身心發
展之工作。

30條第1項12款
十二、違反媒體分級辦法,對兒童及少年提供或播送有害其身心發展之出
版品、圖畫、錄影帶、影片、光碟、電子訊號、網際網路或其他物
品。

58條
違反第三十條規定者,處新臺幣六萬元以上三十萬元以下罰鍰,並公告其
姓名。
違反第三十條第十二款規定者,處新臺幣十萬元以上五十萬元以下罰鍰,
並得勒令停業一個月以上一年以下。

艾姬的行為,你竟然是用「出版品及錄影節目帶分級辦法」來當依據,這不是很適當,上面這麼多法律,你怎麼不拿來引用呢?從頭到尾只拿一個跟本案沒太大關係的來當依據,是因為這個對你們比較有利嗎?但很遺憾,根據該法第2條,出版品係指「刊物、冊籍及錄製僅具聲音效果之錄音產品」,網路的BLOG並不包含在其中,因此,你根據「出版品及錄影節目帶分級辦法」的立論,完全無效!

至於艾姬可能觸犯哪些法律,如同你所說,我不是執法人員,我無權認定,但我把法條列出來,大家自有公評,如果你要去告中華電信,相信法官也自有公評

中華電信是中華電信伺服器的所有人,得自由使用、收益、處分其所有物,今天他要提供守門員這個商品只要法律沒有規定不行賣,那就是可以賣!

最後,建議你在捍衛你的言論自由前,先去買本憲法教課書搞清楚什麼是言論自由吧!!你拿守門員跟網路長城比,說中華電信侵害言論自由,根本不倫不類!!

憲法對古典基本權的保障,是保障人民對抗政府的權利!! 請注意,中華電信並不是政府機關!!就好像你公司老闆不准你上班用辦公室電腦MSN,你能去法院告他侵害言論自由嗎?

中華電信不是不讓使用者看,是讓使用者有選擇的不要看!!使用者要看不看還是他的自由,懂嗎!!

別把自己說的那麼偉大,不要說理說不過人家就改哀兵政策,有本事就直接來法律攻防比較實際吧!在法院上,你這樣對法官說有用嗎?援引對你們有利的且正確的法條,讓你的論點能站得住腳,這才是王道!法官不會管你是不是母體,有沒有選擇權,看不看駭客任務,他只會管雙方引用的法條適不適當,夠不夠完整,哪邊比較有道理,依你目前連引用法條都搞錯,通篇邏輯錯誤的狀況來說
你只會得到「敗訴」二字

如果說誤導社會大眾是你們的任務,那撥亂反正就是我們阿宅的任務!(握拳)
2008-09-23 @ 12:16
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: 大法師 [訪問者]
(恕刪)

如果說誤導社會大眾是你們的任務,那撥亂反正就是我們阿宅的任務!(握拳)
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反正撲朔桑應該也不會有那個美國時間看啦.......真想問他是哪裡人,這麼愛用美國時間。


其實我還是相當期待他們去告中華電信、賽門鐵克...etc........科科科....
2008-09-23 @ 12:32
迴響 from: simon~~大推紅葉大的小說!! [訪問者]
迴響來自: ninny [訪問者]

小弟一直在細看某位仁兄的一段話:
「對那些不想知道自己失去什麼的人, 我不會多說什麼. 我的目標是那些想知道自己失去什麼的人. 就像駭客任務最後一集, 人們最終有了選擇權, 選擇要繼續留在母體就繼續留著, 但想離去的則可離去. 我們的任務就是讓大家知道有這回事, 至於你要如何選擇, 那也是由你決定, 我不會逼你.」

連這種傳教士的悲天憫人的情緒都出現了吔~~(大驚!!)
我還是覺得…邏輯超薄弱的…
好好笑喔~~
(不過…請恕我駑頓,我還是搞不懂這和駭客任務有啥麼關連吔…orz…)

大法師大大的回覆都直接攻到要害了,
那位仁兄快現身啊,快快快,別再躲了,
我還要看戰文,加油加油!!
2008-09-23 @ 12:41
迴響 from: simon~~大推紅葉大的小說!! [訪問者]
是「駑鈍」才對吧~~
小弟我打錯字了啦,果真是駑鈍的臭阿宅!!
2008-09-23 @ 12:42
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: 邪惡阿宅 [訪問者]
TO 艾達
嗯~~好點子
可以弄個 "反愛雞" 的BLOG小貼紙,或是 "愛雞、愛.雞.掰" 的聯署活動呢
科科科...
嗯 愛雞的BLOG很難看呢 "噗"朔 要多多加油阿 火力很弱呢
是否想罵髒話又怕被告呢?? 不要忍耐會得內傷的 科科...
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別醬說......阿宅們是對事不對人的,要也是舉辦支持色情領航員的這種活動啊!反愛姬只會讓這些人更出名吧?這就是他們的目的不是嗎?善良阿宅不要被利用了XD!

另,文章好不好看是看個人啦.......不過我是不會把艾姬的新聞台加入我的最愛就是了.......囧"

to:撲朔桑
想罵就儘管罵,我們都是善良的阿宅,但是我們竭誠歡迎您來參加我們9/28的聚會喔.....啾咪~
2008-09-23 @ 12:50
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: simon~~大推紅葉大的小說!! [訪問者]
(不過…請恕我駑頓,我還是搞不懂這和駭客任務有啥麼關連吔…orz…)
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我知道了!他是莫菲斯上身啦XD!
2008-09-23 @ 12:52
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
to ninny
也是啦!如果他稍微用功一點,就不會拿「出版品及錄影節目帶分級辦法」來做文章了,不過如果他太用功,那我就釣不到魚了.....科科

他給我看那一篇妨害電腦使用也是很莫名其妙(但我就是等他引這條給我),照他的邏輯來說,防毒軟體公司也不是該法的執法機關,他們憑什麼認定什麼程式是病毒,什麼程式不是?按他的邏輯來說就是侵害駭客們的創作自由,是應該被抗議,然後告他們,告贏的話,防毒軟體全部不准賣

結果他本人是覺得防毒軟體公司是可以依據這條妨害電腦使用的法律來判斷哪支程式是病毒,哪支程式為正常,而且防堵率不到100%也不算是選擇性辦案

但是,中華電信就不能依據刑法跟兒少法的規定去判斷哪個網站是兒少不宜,防堵率不到100%就是選擇性辦案

前後邏輯根本是自相矛盾,引用法條也錯誤,當然對於言論自由等觀念也是大錯特錯,功課不好好做,對法律一知半解搞不清狀況就散佈錯誤的資訊誤導社會大眾,這樣的教育,不知道算不算失敗?
2008-09-23 @ 12:56
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
大法師 [訪問者]
to ninny
也是啦!如果他稍微用功一點,就不會拿「出版品及錄影節目帶分級辦法」來做文章了,不過如果他太用功,那我就釣不到魚了.....科科
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他很用功啊!只是用錯地方了.........囧"

我想大家都說的很清楚啦,色情管理員只是中華電信所推出的一個幫助家長在沒辦法時時刻刻陪在小孩子身邊看小孩子上什麼網站時的一個保護措施,而我也絕對不相信他的防禦率能到100%,但是他的出發點也就只是這樣罷了......現在的小鬼電腦厲害的多的是,如果真的想要看,自己還是會想辦法的。
而他們的出發點也就只是一直在說看不到艾姬的文章好像是我們多大的損失一樣、無限上綱到違反言論自由,最後連駭客任務都出現了......多慈悲啊.......囧"
那就叫他把艾姬的文章介紹給他身邊的小朋友看就好了嘛!我都說了我認識的小朋友我是不會希望他在這麼小的年紀就看艾姬的文章啦........不要再逼我了XD!

真不知道是誰在逼誰.....囧"
2008-09-23 @ 13:19
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
「其次守門員跟網路長城真的是同樣的作業機制, 當使用者要連線到某一網站時, 伺服器會比對資料庫內的清單, 若是黑名單內的網址, 就不准連線, 這是它們兩者的相同點, 這一點並不會因兩者收不收費的差異而有不同. (色情守門員並不是裝在使用者電腦裏的程式, 它是 ISP 端的一個工具)」

哈!我剛剛漏看了這一段,剛好是我的專長(RHCT、CISSP)
2008-09-23 @ 14:10
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
「其次守門員跟網路長城真的是同樣的作業機制, 當使用者要連線到某一網站時, 伺服器會比對資料庫內的清單, 若是黑名單內的網址, 就不准連線, 這是它們兩者的相同點, 這一點並不會因兩者收不收費的差異而有不同. (色情守門員並不是裝在使用者電腦裏的程式, 它是 ISP 端的一個工具)」

哈!我剛剛漏看了這一段,剛好是我的專長(RHCT、CISSP)
2008-09-23 @ 14:11
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
1.防毒軟體也是類似的作業機制,還有網路掃毒聽過沒?網路掃毒也是同樣的作業機制,垃圾郵件防堵聽過沒?這也是同樣的機制,你要不要去google, yahoo抗議?抗議他們侵害電子郵件的創作權!垃圾郵件也是商人文學藝術的創作啊!憑什麼透過在ISP伺服器上的過濾程式,然後以工程師加入的過濾機制或演算法就判定誰是垃圾郵件,誰不是垃圾郵件?防堵率也沒到100%,是不是選擇性辦案?

2.分解人的屍體跟豬的屍體,也是同樣的作業機制,拿著刀子切割屍體,但前者是觸犯刑法,後者可以賣錢;引擎點火跟潑汽油縱火也是同樣的作業機制,前者可以讓機器發動為人類工作,後者觸犯刑法。作業機制一樣不代表就是一樣的東西,有胸部就一定是女人嗎?他很有可能是人妖!或是很胖的阿宅.....

3.能不能收錢根本不是重點,重點在選擇權,中國人民沒有選擇要不要網路長城的自由,色情守門員則有,而且預設是沒有這樣的服務,光這點就是天壤之別

4.程式在server端跟在client端有什麼差別?現在都已經是RIA時代了,你能分得清什麼在server端執行,什麼在client執行嗎?你認為在client端執行的程式,可能有一部份都是在背後送回server端做判斷的,同理你認為應該是在server端執行的程式,他可能是在client執行運算,請問一個網路服務分放在client端跟放在server端到底有什麼意義?

你不但法律知識不足,邏輯矛盾,連科技知識都不足
2008-09-23 @ 14:12
迴響 from: 新朋友 [訪問者]
大法師致命的一擊 把撲朔打落了谷底, 武功盡失 筋骨粉碎的撲朔到底可不可以起死回生???!!! 下回分曉???!!!

其實沒有色情守門員 , 我有未成年子女的話 , 也絕對不會讓他們去愛姬的部落看那類鹹濕的文章的... 如因我想當好把拔守門員, 而屆時被愛姬和其同黨追殺迫害, 懇請大法師伸出援手助除惡退魔...阿密陀佛 耶穌保祐 阿拉與我們同在~
2008-09-23 @ 16:23
迴響 from: 宅心仁厚 [訪問者]
朱大...
這篇文章只感覺到你很不爽,
不爽的是對方信件的態度,

文中表示應該有前一封信件希望爭取您的表態支持,
而您在前一封信沒有很積極在乎的熱忱,

我想當然不是每一件「應該的事情」都關你的事,你都得用力背書。
對方這種想當然爾的自我心態是荒謬的。

但是朱大這篇文章刊出,
除了情緒之外,我看不出您對整件事情背後的思考邏輯與想法是什麼,跟您其他深度文章相比,個人覺得甚為可惜。
2008-09-23 @ 16:44
迴響 from: simon~~大推紅葉大的小說!! [訪問者]
迴響來自: 新朋友 [訪問者]
大法師致命的一擊 把撲朔打落了谷底, 武功盡失 筋骨粉碎的撲朔到底可不可以起死回生???!!! 下回分曉???!!!

小弟覺得不一定吔,
說不定打落了谷底之後,
會撿到什麼武功秘集或是過期大還丹之類的好物,
不然就是使出「我是為你好~~」或是「希望各位從母體醒來」之類的大絕,
還有一個最終極的招式:「至於那些嘲諷辱罵的路人甲乙丙丁,唉...我唯一的感想, 這真是教育失敗, 教出這麼一群用文字來幸災樂禍, 落井下石之徒。」
一掌就把大家打啞了或打殘了…orz

不管啦,那位仁兄大大,我承認我是教育失敗的路人甲乙丙丁啦,
求你請快出現啦…
2008-09-23 @ 16:49
迴響 from: 邪惡阿宅 [訪問者]
擊鼓助威~~~~~~~咚 咚 咚 咚

搖旗吶喊~~~~~~~殺 殺 殺 殺

大法師說得很詳細了,"噗"朔 你懂嗎??你懂嗎?(搖肩)

科科科科....
2008-09-23 @ 16:55
迴響 from: Siva [訪問者]
迴響來自: 撲朔 [訪問者]

TO SIVA, 感謝你支持我所說的兩者確實機制相同, 只是一個要錢, 一個不要錢. 這一點是回 無盡‧永恆 於9/20 15:11認為兩者是完全沒有相同之處的.

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其實你可能誤會我的意思了......
無盡‧永恆說沒有相同之處,是指一個是"選擇性付費服務"(色情守門員),一個是"強制公權力"(中國長城防火牆)

就算機制相同又如何?誰在乎機制相不相同呢?
但不能因為機制相同就拿來比較啊,畢竟"本質"上根本就是不一樣的東西!!

套用兔眼看天下格主的論點:別把付費服務無限上綱至公權力。
如大法師指出,你們的論點到時候告上去,也只是敗訴罷了......

如果只是消極的連署自HIGH,也別浪費時間了,真的沒意義

首先,真的對此產品不滿意的"付費使用人"(我想應該都是家長吧),才是有權力對中華電信不滿的,你們要連署,要找的應該是這些家長才對!!

但是請回過頭來想想,為什麼家長要辦色情守門員?.?

說真的~小朋友如果吃喝拉撒睡都是靠家裡,那還是乖乖遵從父母的意思吧......
2008-09-23 @ 16:57
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
to各位阿宅
我覺得大家也不需要把艾姬等人妖魔化,就像我們不會把AV女優妖魔化一樣,限制級的東西本來就屬於創作的一部份,只是他不適合兒童及少年而已,也因此有家長付費買色情守門員,我今天也不是要把撲朔辯贏我就會很爽,是因為他抱著來說理的態度,所以我就跟他說理,他要上法院提出告訴,請大家提供意見,我就找我律師老婆(對,我是阿宅,但我結婚了.....)點出他的盲點,他要論網路以及程式一些機制的合理性,我就跟他討論這些東西(反正我自己是RHCT跟CISSP),如此而已,因為朱大這邊人氣很旺,我很不希望錯誤的法律知識及程式資訊到處散佈,尤其是對言論自由的錯誤主張,所以我多說了兩句

to艾姬
我跟你沒有過節,透過撲朔的片段文字,在某種程度上我支持你的看法
你的問題,不是不能解決,而且可靠法律途徑解決,只是你的法律攻防完全錯了方向,所以你這段時間都在原地踏步,挫折很重,毫無進展

這案子如果讓我來弄,攻防就不會這樣打,中華電信現在應該GG了

就好像有人被車撞死,他的家屬告殺人致死,結果敗訴,如果他改告傷害致死,就可能會勝訴了;又如同產權糾紛,被侵害人去告詐欺,結果敗訴,如果他改告侵佔,就可能會勝訴了,法律保障跟適用的範圍還有其背後的法益都不相同,但是字面上可能很像,你不先弄清楚法條,找到正確的切入點,就貿然行動,你怎麼可能會贏?如果你身邊的法律顧問是撲朔的話,我強烈建議你換一個,換一個懂法律或是受過基本法學教育的人,不然你只會一直輸

套一句我老婆的名言「沒有打不贏的官司,只有找不到有利法條的人」
2008-09-23 @ 17:44
迴響 from: palm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ruaypapa
>>迴響來自: 大法師 [訪問者]
>>2...........有胸部就一定是女人嗎?他很有可能是人妖!或是很胖的阿宅.....
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更~~
誰在說我跟朱豪宅...
2008-09-23 @ 20:10
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
劉兄,我的答案恐怕要讓您失望了
1.艾姬他們並不是我老婆的委託人
2.目前我與艾姬他們分屬敵對陣營
3.整件事我支持中華電信
4.法律永遠都有一體的兩面,就像殺人這件事,檢察官會以蓄意殺人起訴,但被告的辯護律師會設法從過失殺人切入,以求得他當事人的最大利益,今天如果我屬於艾姬他們陣營,我是有辦法從某些法律上讓中華電信站不住腳,以求得艾姬的最大利益,但很遺憾,今天我不屬於他們陣營,以後也不會
5.我透過我老婆的專業知識,找出各個中華電信可以援引的法條以及立論點,點出他們的盲點及錯誤的法律引用,讓他們不會因為一時衝動而敗訴,我覺得我幫的忙已經夠大了

基於以上5點,很抱歉,我不願意分享
只要他們有心,找個律師甚至是個法律系學生就好,我相信大家都能找到差不多的切入點,畢竟這案子一點都不難
2008-09-23 @ 22:49
迴響 from: AL [訪問者]
自己的部落格寫自己想寫的事情。
自己想發洩的情緒。
自己想幹嘛。

整個還要被人說情緒化就是了。

2008-09-24 @ 00:56
迴響 from: 艾達 [訪問者]


TO 大法師
給你一個崇拜的眼神....楸咪....


TO simon~~大推紅葉大的小說!!
我也是教育失敗的甲乙丙丁,我推支持色情領航員
但我想撲朔不會再出現啦
這些人都這樣阿
確定敗之後就會想說:我不想跟你們纏下去

TO 邪惡阿宅
感謝你的支持
但我畢竟跟她們這些無聊人不一樣阿
只是以前對愛姬沒印象,現在卻有印象了(壞印象就是了)
在下平均一個月購買六本新書
以後看到是他寫的書大概會直接跳過
這算是這次筆仗唯一的收穫
2008-09-24 @ 01:19
迴響 from: 邪惡阿宅 [訪問者]

完敗。(科..)

愛雞的分身如魔影一般,瀰天蓋地的撲來阿


真是好笑阿~哈~哈~~哈~哈~哈~哈~哈哈哈哈哈哈
2008-09-24 @ 08:23
迴響 from: simon~~大推紅葉大的小說!! [訪問者]
出現了出現了XDDD
啊,就這樣喔,真沒勁…orz

散場了散場了,本來還以為有精采的可看說…
2008-09-24 @ 09:38
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
呵呵.....
您的小釣竿要釣我這條大白鯊,恐怕沒那麼容易
感謝您透露的情報,原來你們已經找律師了,那法律的問題為什麼還要上網來跟大家辯證?有律師可諮詢不是嗎?
表面上是說要告訴大家言論自由如何受到侵害,但其實是利用鄉民的特性,蒐集正反雙方的說詞及立論,以作為你們訴訟攻防沙盤推演的材料吧!

因此,這是我最後一篇回應,不管理性辯證孰勝孰敗,結果對你們準備訴訟都是有助益的,我不願意資敵,提供你們沙盤推演的資料以及免費的網路法律課程

但為了避免阿宅們說我是戰敗而逃,我放完風殤、大炎跟三段再走

=======大絕分隔線=======
1.我之前已經說過,你所有建構在「出版品及錄影節目帶分級辦法」的立論,都是無效的!以你的論點來說,就好像有人打傷你家的狗,結果身為主人的你以刑法傷害罪提出告訴,不管你的立論再怎麼完美,刑法對傷害的定義再怎麼清楚,對方的犯行再怎麼明確,都是無效的!因為狗是動產,是物權個體,不適用刑法,你應該用動物保護法或是民法動產毀損提出告訴。同理,「出版品及錄影節目帶分級辦法」第二條已經明確定義該法適用範圍,你拿一個不適用的法條來當作你主要的立論依據,只因為他那邊定義分級的主管機關,上法庭根本是在自掘墳墓!

2.「出版品及錄影節目帶分級辦法」第一條明確指出,本辦法依兒童及少年福利法第二十七條第三項規定訂定之,換言之「兒童及少年福利法」是「出版品及錄影節目帶分級辦法」的母法,你捨母法不用而就子法,而且還是適用範圍不符的子法,只為了一個主管機關的定義而忽視所有母法上的規定,這不是邏輯錯誤是什麼?

3.照你這樣的攻防方式,如果我是中華電信的辯護律師,我只需要把艾姬的文字複製下來,以正式公文送目的事業主管機關進行分級認定,只要認定是限制級(這機率高達99%,我願意賭一把!),或是獲得「請貴管本於權責自行核處」這樣的回覆,我就可依法封鎖艾姬的BLOG
在法庭上,你們奉為圭臬的「出版品及錄影節目帶分級辦法」
到時將不是你們的護身符,而是你們的催命符!

言盡於此,好自為之!
2008-09-24 @ 10:03
迴響 from: simon~~大推紅葉大的小說!! [訪問者]
大法師大大…
您多慮了…我不太相信這裡會有人說您「戰敗而逃」,
只能說你很帥氣把某位仁兄逼到懸岸邊,
然後就放他一馬XDDD(真的超帥的!!握拳!!)

不過我猜這位仁兄搞不好會在你背後大笑:
「啊,大法師不帶種,落跑了啦…」
2008-09-24 @ 10:23
迴響 from: Siva [訪問者]
to大法師
新版大炎改弱了,風傷也改效果了說(誤

其實看完艾姬那邊後的感覺~
小人很單純認為她只是不爽自己的作品被冠上"色情"之名,藉此發飆罷了......

但回過頭想,"色情守門員"防堵的東西真的是色情之物嗎?
其實不然,色情守門員只是表面上的名稱,實質上,就是防堵"兒童不宜"的網路內容

今天艾姬的文章是界定於情色藝術之流,但使用人(家長)哪有時間管妳是不是藝術?他們付錢就是要達到最方便最無腦的效果(血兜狂塞XD),就是沒時間跟小孩講解藝術與色情的分別(可能還聽不懂!?),才請"色情守門員"來幫忙不是嗎?

艾姬是否太在意"色情守門員"這世俗之名了?
以為被色情守門員擋住的,都是色情,但了解該服務的"本質"後,應該就會發現,只要是兒童不宜的,都會擋住,"色情守門員"就只是個抬頭而已,為了個抬頭在生氣,有必要嗎?

再問,艾姬自己的作品,就算是文學創作好了,相對於守門員的本質,也是兒童不能觀賞的東西吧?

對守門員來說,妳的東西不是色情,只是兒童不宜罷了......
2008-09-24 @ 11:07
迴響 from: 我愛張台大 [訪問者]
"為什麼一個阿宅,可以追到律師當太太呢..."(驚)
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大法師本人應該也是法界高手啦,
誰說法官不能是阿宅?
2008-09-24 @ 11:48
迴響 from: peggydoll [訪問者]
大法師~~~orz orz orz
太...利害了...我相信這位阿宅(大法師)也是律師~ 才有辦法追到當律師的太太
拍拍拍拍~!!
2008-09-24 @ 11:50
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
剛好相反,我不是法界高手,我只是個程式設計師,好巧不巧,就是專門寫資料庫系統的

我追我太太整整追了10年,每天耳濡目染之下,不懂也懂了
況且就算有問題,也可就近直接問,以這次的回應來說,只要跟法律相關的部分,每篇都是經過他修改後我才敢貼出來回,所以,太座已經在不爽了.....

當你每天在職場上面對的都是一群伶牙俐齒的鬥來鬥去的人時,你會希望陪你一輩子的人是個很單純很會照顧你的阿宅,這是我們阿宅先天的優點,只有有智慧的女性,才懂得選阿宅當終身伴侶(茶)
2008-09-24 @ 12:01
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
to Siva
管他改強改弱?喝抗,瞬戒跳走就好了啊!
叫你帶抗不帶抗,全身名刀又怎樣?這下回溫泉了吧!
2008-09-24 @ 12:05
迴響 from: 冷冷熱熱 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 大法師 [訪問者]
剛好相反,我不是法界高手,我只是個程式設計師,好巧不巧,就是專門寫資料庫系統的

我追我太太整整追了10年,每天耳濡目染之下,不懂也懂了
況且就算有問題,也可就近直接問,以這次的回應來說,只要跟法律相關的部分,每篇都是經過他修改後我才敢貼出來回,所以,太座已經在不爽了.....

當你每天在職場上面對的都是一群伶牙俐齒的鬥來鬥去的人時,你會希望陪你一輩子的人是個很單純很會照顧你的阿宅,這是我們阿宅先天的優點,只有有智慧的女性,才懂得選阿宅當終身伴侶(茶)
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小弟佩服

我只能追辣妹.....

2008-09-24 @ 12:25
迴響 from: 五四三 [訪問者]
本文重點就是:媽的!漏水!
切~
開"除濕機"就好啦!
2008-09-24 @ 13:07
迴響 from: Siva [訪問者]
to大法師

我有帶~我有帶啊~~(淚奔

但最近新版的林之章實在太霸道了,遇到風魔帶林之章
就會被綁三次圍到死呢...

官方盃打完不知道會不會改唷?(謎之音:跳TONE跳到討論信長是怎樣XD
2008-09-24 @ 14:01
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
to Siva
吼~跟你說!聯合軍該出頭了啦!
一路走來聯合軍都被織田軍壓假的,偶而讓聯合爽一下啦!
基本上,風魔帶林之章,被綁到就直接去上廁所或喝水了,反正一定回溫泉讀秒
2008-09-24 @ 14:05
迴響 from: daniel [訪問者]
TO撲朔

大家對你真是太客氣了~~

我的意見是:更你娘~~你可以說我沒禮貌沒教養,跟你比不如站到沒教養那一群比較有文化。

為何意見是更你娘呢?因為以你的程度,只看得懂這樣的字,尊重一下我的言論自由吧!更你娘是不是罵你,以你邏輯來說可不由你來決定。

更你娘我家都裝了色情守門員,更你娘你們這群人都還想把有情色文章塞給我家小朋友,你是有幾個祖宗可以給人更!

如果你家也有小朋友,相信你會很高興我這不到1/10的情色回應,可以讓你家小朋友好好欣賞~~
2008-09-24 @ 15:18
迴響 from: 宅化中 [訪問者]
請問那個風魔帶林之章
是啥遊戲阿 ?

聽了就好想玩說 !!
2008-09-24 @ 16:03
迴響 from: Siva [訪問者]
to大法師
這樣說也是啦~以信長的歷史來講,織田軍AT面真的強勢很久了,但我是找不到人的RT啊~~~~(淚)

好久沒贏過了......我方贏面對面就跳,我方輸面我都秉持著熱血打到底~"~

to宅化中
是魔獸爭霸3的小地圖遊戲,現況跟真三小地圖一樣,分成新舊版2派,不過舊版就有如靠港的船,永遠不會再航行嚕~
新版則是有進步的空間,希望詩人FN能持續努力改版=W=
2008-09-24 @ 16:17
迴響 from: 邊上物權邊看戰場的異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephenalien
說那麼多

還不是用種花顛性用的爽歪歪?





這是個自由市場

彎彎大寬頻也很好用啊~

種子net的速度也很快啊~

索尼大學士net也不錯啊~

為何一直要巴著種花顛性不放?





換掉,是一種最直接的抵制手段
2008-09-24 @ 16:30
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
to Siva
我也是找不到人的RT
不如,我們私下約一約,skype開起來組AT吧!
哇哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈

我專用聯合的雜賀,自認用的還可以,你習慣用哪隻?
2008-09-24 @ 16:38
迴響 from: 邊上物權邊看戰場的異形,18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephenalien
siva說得很好

重點不在"情色",而是在"兒童不宜"

那種文章12歲的小孩子能看嗎?


不過,以法論法

就身為一個法律系學生的觀點來看,這CASE種花顛性勝訴的機會的確比較高......

(沒想到大法濕的老婆是律師啊......)



種花顛性也該改一下商品名稱吧
改叫做"18禁守門員"也可以啊
(但感覺名稱很芭樂......有更好想法的人就寫出來吧)
2008-09-24 @ 16:44
迴響 from: pptra [訪問者]
高來高去地,好像在看陳某的漫畫...
真有那麼神嘛??
佩服!!佩服!!(先佩服就對了)

對於我這種懶得花時間在爛人爛事的性情而言
飆完就移心他事了,再有乾坤又何干?
何來義務非得也給個深切觀點? 那要不要給支持者一一感謝回應啊?? 呿~
幸好我不是當事人(根本資格不符 =_=...)

朱大,話說您冷氣後來修好沒啊?
2008-09-24 @ 17:14
迴響 from: Siva [訪問者]
to大法師

哈~跟你死對頭耶...
我慣用最愛殺雜賀的服部(ˋwˊ)a

新版全部角色摸熟6~7成而已,陪你聯合,就用比較無腦的馬場好了XD

to邊上物權邊看戰場的異形,18歲

突然覺得種花是因為名氣太大才被盯上,我看他們還是棄守門員別做了,改當色情領航員還比較有賺頭~~
一樣家長申請,小孩還是需要有密碼才能使用,不然一樣看不到,然後加強了色情網頁的搜索,每天奉上各國閱覽量排行表,豈不是更有賺頭@..@?
只怕艾姬人氣就更低了,因為沒法跟正牌的色情網頁相提並論,但一樣會被擋起來就是...(誤很大,看看就好
2008-09-24 @ 17:58
迴響 from: 異形, 18歲 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/stephenalien
Siva [訪問者]
to邊上物權邊看戰場的異形,18歲

突然覺得種花是因為名氣太大才被盯上,我看他們還是棄守門員別做了,改當色情領航員還比較有賺頭~~
一樣家長申請,小孩還是需要有密碼才能使用,不然一樣看不到,然後加強了色情網頁的搜索,每天奉上各國閱覽量排行表,豈不是更有賺頭@..@?
只怕艾姬人氣就更低了,因為沒法跟正牌的色情網頁相提並論,但一樣會被擋起來就是...(誤很大,看看就好


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沒錯

人家彎彎大寬頻也有相類似的產品
http://points.anet.net.tw/pagefiltrate/

種子net也有啊
http://apply.seed.net.tw/apply/cobrand/ce.htm

索尼大學士net好像也有(網路上是有相關資料啦,但是他的官網沒有)




為什麼不順便連這三家也寫出來?

為什麼為什麼為什麼?(搖晃)
2008-09-24 @ 18:30
迴響 from: 撲朔 [訪問者]
to 大法師, 我想我說的很清楚, 我此來是意見交流, 不是來打仗的. 你當我是卒仔還是小人? 正反雙方的意見對我們來講, 都很重要, 這點有助於釐清我們的立論點和弱點. 律師方面, 只是諮詢, 尚未正式準備提告. 你又何需太過擔心? 搞不好, 我們到最後評估結果就不告了, 這也未可知? 我們不在乎最後結果如何, 重要的是過程中學到什麼.
2008-09-24 @ 19:58
迴響 from: 傑森 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 撲朔 [訪問者]
to 大法師, 我想我說的很清楚, 我此來是意見交流, 不是來打仗的. 你當我是卒仔還是小人? 正反雙方的意見對我們來講, 都很重要, 這點有助於釐清我們的立論點和弱點. 律師方面, 只是諮詢, 尚未正式準備提告. 你又何需太過擔心? 搞不好, 我們到最後評估結果就不告了, 這也未可知? 我們不在乎最後結果如何, 重要的是過程中學到什麼.

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to 撲朔:
先前儘管您的發言被圍剿,但對我來說,您的發言權利是應該被尊重的。
但,老實說看到這篇,我真的覺得您是得了便宜又賣乖。人家大法師是所有發言裡面對您們最有助意的,您還以小人之心度君子之腹?什麼"你當我是卒仔還是小人? "這種話都出來了?

***引言開始***
...
另, 艾姬另外有找律師幫忙, 這點你可放心. 其他各點, 容我再想想.
2008-09-24 @ 01:31
***引言結束***

您講這句話,不就說明律師已經介入了?您一句"律師方面, 只是諮詢, 尚未正式準備提告. 你又何需太過擔心?"您在先前留言這麼咄咄逼人、殺氣騰騰,任誰都認為您們是打算提告了,大法師才會這樣的提醒您們,結果您們還這樣酸他。現在想想,我為大法師不值。

***引言開始***
中華電信是個很難溝通的公司, 艾姬早已跟它講過了, 但它從不當回事, 才因此把她惹毛. 至於上法院告它? 這是個好建議, 大家可以試著找一下要用哪一條法條. 我之前找過一次, 結果由於網路是個新興的世界, 舊有的法律並不是很適用於這個虛擬世界. 並沒有多少法條適用. 比方說, 封鎖文學網站, 是否違反憲法規定人民有出版和言論的自由? 這點大家可以進一步討論一下. 各位的意見應該能表現出在法院中可能面對的情況, 雖然上法院這條路並不是好走的路, 但我給艾姬的建議也是告它. 這要是告贏了, 色情守門員大概就非去掉不可. 只是艾姬似乎並不想把它去掉, 只想它檢討改善機制, 所以並沒聽我的.

2008-09-21 @ 02:54
***引言結束***

"至於上法院告它? 這是個好建議, 大家可以試著找一下要用哪一條法條. 我之前找過一次, 結果由於網路是個新興的世界, 舊有的法律並不是很適用於這個虛擬世界. 並沒有多少法條適用. 比方說, 封鎖文學網站, 是否違反憲法規定人民有出版和言論的自由? 這點大家可以進一步討論一下. 各位的意見應該能表現出在法院中可能面對的情況..."這句話可是您說的,您提出這樣的議題希望大家討論,結果您竟然去羞辱最認真回應您、跟您討論的大法師。所以基本上大家的結論沒錯,您的邏輯真的既奇怪又薄弱,您不好好謝謝大法師就算了,還消遣他?艾姬真是何奇不幸,怎麼會有您這個幫倒忙的朋友?
2008-09-24 @ 20:30
迴響 from: 我也在學習 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 撲朔 [訪問者]

希望您也能學習到,先放下「預設的敵意」,想清楚自己真正的立場與真正想要「滿足」的。

同時,也能學習到--可以對願意付出心力幫助您在這過程中學習的「他人」--有基本的「尊重」。不是每個人都理所當然有義務要成就您的學習的。

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To 大法師:

GJ!!!

2008-09-24 @ 21:19
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
迴響來自: 撲朔 [訪問者]
to 大法師, 我想我說的很清楚, 我此來是意見交流, 不是來打仗的. 你當我是卒仔還是小人? 正反雙方的意見對我們來講, 都很重要, 這點有助於釐清我們的立論點和弱點. 律師方面, 只是諮詢, 尚未正式準備提告. 你又何需太過擔心? 搞不好, 我們到最後評估結果就不告了, 這也未可知? 我們不在乎最後結果如何, 重要的是過程中學到什麼.
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什麼!原來搞了這麼久、寫了那麼多信要別人支持,可是你們竟然連自己的論點跟弱點都還沒有搞清楚?!
然後到最後發現其實自己的論點跟立場都很好笑,就決定不告了XD!


我的老天爺啊........................囧"
2008-09-24 @ 21:39
迴響 from: 邪惡阿宅 [訪問者]
對阿對ㄚ

噗朔~ 我們都是壞人ㄚ,看您這高風亮節的樣子真是令人噁心ㄚ。科科..

你問"你當我是卒仔還是小人?"

當然是.... 小人ㄚ!!!

但就是喜歡你胡搞瞎搞的態度,死纏爛打的精神。簡簡單單的問題可以複雜化

到這種程度,真是佩服、佩服。

就是喜歡你這隻嘴,真是國寶啊~~~~科科科...
2008-09-24 @ 21:39
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
to Siva
口胡!這沒可能的!
我最討厭服部,最討厭了!!!!!
服部被稱為雜賀殺手,一點都不為過,我對服部的陣亡率最高

對了,你玩不玩12.1c啊?我朋友們都是玩12.1c,我自己也覺得好像舊版比較好玩耶?
糟糕,我來這邊找信長的咖,朱大會不會殺我啊?
2008-09-24 @ 22:20
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
to 撲朔
請別誤會,我並沒有把你當成卒仔或小人,相反的,在我見過這麼多筆戰中,你被眾人圍剿還不口出惡言,風度令我欣賞!

但一碼歸一碼
我也說的很清楚,你之前擺明來意見交流的,所以我就扮演辯方律師的立場來跟你做攻防,我如果不把自己設定成跟你們是敵對立場來攻防,對你們跟對版上的阿宅們怎麼會有幫助?可能攻防過程很尖銳,但我相信絕對有助益,最起碼幫你們省下找法條跟解釋法條的時間

好了,現在你已經表明你們有律師了,就算目前是諮詢階段也一樣,諮詢也是要付談話費的,所以這就跳出網路討論的範圍了,因為律師本身是營利的,我跟我老婆沒有必要幫他做白工,因此我必須停止跟你討論,況且我自問以網路討論來說,之前的文章應該對你們有幫助

我並不擔心你們,你們勝訴或敗訴,要告或不告都與我無關啊!因為我不是你們兩造雙方的利害關係人,但我覺得在討論沒結束前,我都得扮演好辯方律師的角色,演什麼像什麼嘛!現在我已經卸下這個角色了,所以我開始聊電動了不是嗎?
2008-09-24 @ 22:31
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
to 撲朔
剛剛忘了提到一點,我覺得一定要在乎結果如何
上法院打官司是很累很累的,耗人力、物力和時間,而且心情一定很緊繃,加上你案子這又不是刑事庭一翻兩瞪眼,民事庭更煩,如果沒有設定好作戰目標跟方向,就貿然出手,只會賠了夫人又折兵啊!

當然過程中一定能學到東西,只是我們要衡量付出的代價是不是過大
每個人都可以實現心中的正義,但正義是要付出代價的,而法律訴訟永遠都是最後的手段

這就是為什麼會有協調會、簡易庭和調解委員會的產生

因此激情過後,冷靜下來重新思考,看看正反雙方的見解,或許能找到不上法院但又能實現你們心中正義的方法
2008-09-24 @ 22:43
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
to劉兄
出社會這種事發生的或然輪等於零啊!
什麼叫零?看到這硬幣沒有?一邊是公,一邊是字,沒有中間的啊!
2008-09-24 @ 22:52
迴響 from: 撲朔 [訪問者]

to 大法師, 有人說我沒感謝你. 我現在說應該還不晚吧, 感謝你的指教, 真心希望你能繼續不吝賜教.

http://law.moj.gov.tw/Scripts/Query4A.asp?FullDoc=all&Fcode=P0050021 電腦網路內容分級處理辦法 (民國94年10月17日修正) 你說的, 應該是這個吧.

第10條 電腦網路服務提供者應自本辦法施行之日起十八個月內,完成電腦網路分級之相關準備措施,並進行分級。期限屆至前,應依台灣網際網路協會訂定之網際網路服務業者自律公約,採用內容過濾或身分認證等措施機制,防制兒童或少年接取不良之資訊。

http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:5udwYM2_gSMJ:nospam.ntumc.org/TEXT/02-self-policing.html+%22%E7%B6%B2%E9%9A%9B%E7%B6%B2%E8%B7%AF%E6%9C%8D%E5%8B%99%E6%A5%AD%E8%80%85%E8%87%AA%E5%BE%8B%E5%85%AC%E7%B4%84%22&hl=zh-TW&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=tw&lr=lang_zh-TW
網際網路服務業者自律公約草案
會員得無償或收取一定費用提供過濾產品或類似機制供用戶使用,使父母、老師或法定監護人可以自行防止未成年人接取有害其身心的網站內容。

所以依這點, 中華電信就不是於法無據了, 我會仔細再想想.
2008-09-24 @ 22:59
迴響 from: 撲朔 [訪問者]
另外, 艾姬其實早在發出這信的隔天就又寫了封信向朱大道歉了.
2008-09-24 @ 23:12
迴響 from: 天空 [訪問者]

大法師&撲朔的風度都值得佩服!
2008-09-24 @ 23:13
迴響 from: 傑森 [訪問者]
迴響來自: 大法師 [訪問者]
to劉兄
我不是說追她追十年嗎?
當然是學生時代就在一起啦!他是我社團學妹
這樣說明滿意嗎?
2008-09-24 @ 22:45

===========================

這樣的說明...一點都不滿意噫嗚哇啊啊啊啊~~~

什麼社團會交到讀法律的美女學妹??

1.SOS團
2.去死去死團
3.全力學園棒球社
4.電玩社
5.以上皆非

(跪求大法師明示)
2008-09-24 @ 23:27
迴響 from: Siva [訪問者]
to大法師
我是新版的,但你想玩12.1C也是OK啦...
雖然我快半年沒碰那個版本了~

to傑森
我選3全力學園棒球社
你問我為什麼?因為那是我花錢去百事達租過的片,目的當然是真希妹妹

啊?原來你沒問我喔......
2008-09-25 @ 00:38
迴響 from: 天將奔烈 [訪問者]
嗯.....原來,撲朔兄是來釣魚的,是要利用我們的.....

撲朔兄,抱歉,我把你想的太單純了。

我要更正之前的話,你應該不會學到禮節,你會學到以後如何更小心的面對鄉民,來達成你的目的。

(抱歉,我想裝風度,但是我就是裝不出來,所以只好真誠的做自己囉!)
2008-09-25 @ 00:38
迴響 from: 大法師 [訪問者]
to撲朔
其實道不道謝不重要啦,我也不在乎這個
只要能把你們稍微拉住一下,再重新思考方向,這樣就夠啦!
訴訟真的是很累人的!如果輸了會更幹!

你現在已經轉的方向就慢慢正確囉,不要去攻模稜兩可或是對方優勢的地方,這樣的進攻才是對的
你們可以跟律師再討論看看

此外,根據我們的經驗,這類事情通常請目的事業主管機關進行認定時,往往都會得到「請貴管本於權責自行核處」這樣的回應,原因很簡單,公務人員不想負責任,所以會用一紙公文授權給執行單位,你方便我也樂得輕鬆,所以不要往分級那邊走,絕對討不了好

好啦!就這樣啦!我要寫程式去了!byebye囉!
2008-09-25 @ 00:38
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to Siva
兩人組at太薄弱了,我是想烙我朋友再加你,這樣組at才有希望
2008-09-25 @ 00:41
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什麼社團會交到讀法律的美女學妹??

1.SOS團
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3.全力學園棒球社
4.電玩社
5.以上皆非

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法律系無正妹!!!!!!
(爆)
2008-09-25 @ 02:19
迴響 from: 當宅已成往事 [訪問者]

哎丫丫......錯過好戲ㄌ〈淚〉

只能一邊看一邊遙想大法師大大當時,小美女律師初嫁了,雄姿英發。羽扇綸巾,談笑間、撲朔(艾姬?)灰飛湮滅........... 〈茶〉
2008-09-25 @ 09:38
迴響 from: Siva [訪問者]
to大法師

我都ok的啦~我在低調的XXC平台遊走@@
你呢?

假如要用SKY多方通話,我就要弄個麥克風嚕XD
2008-09-25 @ 14:38
迴響 from: 撲朔 [訪問者]

TO 大法師, 謝謝. 其實上法院還真的是很累人的一件事. 小小一件案子拖個經年累月不說, 有的法官還忙到不知什麼是 yahoo, 什麼是網路, 碰到由這種法官來審網路的案子, 那真的是臉上三條線. 不過這也不能怪他們, 因為他們確實人太少事太繁, 根本沒空去學新東西.

to 天將奔烈, 不錯啦, 不過你可以更 radiant and warm. 我沒有要利用人的意思, 如果討論就是利用的話, 那同學間的討論不就也是利用同學了. 學習本就該是多元, 正反各方的意見都要找出來參考琢磨才對. 這樣怎麼能說是利用. 最起碼, 我確定我沒有利用到你. 這點請見諒 :p
2008-09-26 @ 00:30
迴響 from: 教育失敗的路人甲 [訪問者]
「把別人寄來的信件貼上網公開, 加上眉批, 外附一聲滾, 朱大, 您好氣魄, 好威風.
以前曾聽說有人把愛慕者寄來的信公開給別人看的事件, 我相當不認同這種行為, 不意今日在此見到, 雖然艾姬的那封信並不是愛慕信.
至於那些嘲諷辱罵的路人甲乙丙丁, 唉...我唯一的感想, 這真是教育失敗, 教出這麼一群用文字來幸災樂禍, 落井下石之徒.」

奇怪了…這些到底是那位被成功教育的優秀人士寫出來的?
還勸人要更radiant and warm?笑死人了,
我怎麼看到一個之前氣熖囂張的傢伙軟下去了?
被大法師還有各位大大修理了之後變成來學習討論的??
啊,真沒勁啦,就好像前莊主秘說的小「不好」「不好」~~
朱大那句「呷塞啦!!」實在是太適合這位專程來討論的教育成功者了!!
2008-09-26 @ 09:26
迴響 from: 鄉民roger [訪問者]
1.艾姬不是正妹,所以被朱恐龍打回票
2.這裡是國父紀念館


另外建議艾姬將情慾文章鎖起來
把密碼用e-mail寄過去就可以啦
2008-09-26 @ 12:55
迴響 from: 艾達 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/amande
to 撲朔

我也覺得你是辯不過人家所以只好「變成」是來討論的

你以前明明很兇又很機車

這難道就是所謂的「欺善怕惡」?(KEROKERO)

那現在你們是打算怎樣?

暫停連署嗎?

還是改為連署要求中華電信推出色情領航員以方便找到艾姬的文章阿?

照你這樣說

整個連署不就是笑話一件嗎?

2008-09-26 @ 15:17
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to 艾達, 其實不是我後來變成討論, 而是我本來就是來討論的. 我們需要更多的朋友加入, 所以根本就不適合用吵架的方式, 就算吵贏了, 把人罵跑了, 那還是沒人支持我們, 終究不過是一場空. 另一個重點在於, 我們也需要知道反對者的想法. 知道這點才能就自己的訴求進行改進. 至於這是不是一場空? 結局不是我們能預定的, 過程中學到什麼才重要.
2008-09-26 @ 15:43
考量在這裡已打擾一個禮拜, 老婆對我這些天來半夜鬼鬼祟祟上網的行為也極不諒解, 小弟就此告退, 並再次感謝大法師等諸位朋友的指教.

後續若各位朋友有想指教之處, 歡迎至明日報小弟部落格. 以避免再佔用朱大資源, 不過, 我可能還是不太能常回應, 這點先請見諒.
2008-09-26 @ 17:17
靠,搞了半天是來炒人氣的嗎~~
呿。
還在那裡硬拗是來知道反對者的想法?
「而是我本來就是來討論的」
各位去瞧瞧這位仁兄先前的留言,像是來討論的嗎?
被電就被電啦,這種下軟蛋,還振振有辭的的傢伙,真令人反胃。
2008-09-27 @ 08:50
迴響 from: 邪惡阿宅 [訪問者]
來騙人的~~~

哇勒~吵人氣

還好從頭到尾我都把你當小人看待,現在終於水落石出啦。

天蒼蒼 眼盲盲 風吹草低 趕羚羊



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反正也不會有人罰錢
但是要用水桶接好像有點嚴重......
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2014-12-21 @ 22:00
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2014-12-21 @ 22:03
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2014-12-21 @ 22:26
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2014-12-21 @ 22:58
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