滿洲第731部隊.....

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迴響 from: 腐女 [訪問者] · http://blog.pixnet.net/imbluecat
First ?!?!
2008-11-28 @ 14:38
迴響 from: Wenson [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/Heraklitus
真是「樂樂ㄉㄥˊ」的一篇,
很少看到朱大PO這種幾乎都是引用文的文章。
更罕見的是.....
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怎麼沒PO正妹照???
2008-11-28 @ 14:43
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]
這是筆記文嗎?
2008-11-28 @ 14:46
迴響 from: 不曉得 [訪問者]
*****
我要進前十....
2008-11-28 @ 14:46
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
這是我小時候很沈迷的一段歷史啦!

Lucifer
2008-11-28 @ 14:48
迴響 from: 宅爸 [訪問者]
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管他內容是什麼先留搶前十在說
2008-11-28 @ 14:48
迴響 from: 蘇利猴 [訪問者] Email · http://sullivan0201.blogspot.com
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top10!! :)
2008-11-28 @ 14:51
迴響 from: 路過人 [訪問者]
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阿木阿 挖滴佳....

好冷的一篇

第二?
2008-11-28 @ 14:51
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]
迴響 from: 路過人 [訪問者]
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阿木阿 挖滴佳....

好冷的一篇

第二?
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可能是沒有正妹的關係...
話說閣下是用什麼丟封包的...第二過很久了
我文章都已經掃過第二次了
2008-11-28 @ 14:55
迴響 from: 潛水夫 [訪問者]
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各位,把信鴿換一換吧!
都不知PO幾篇了,還在第二?

好長,回家再慢慢看。
2008-11-28 @ 14:56
迴響 from: yoyo [訪問者]
前十?
2008-11-28 @ 15:01
迴響 from: 迺嘴 [訪問者] · http://blog.udn.com/yangnaijen
只要是中國人,都不能忘掉的歷史。
2008-11-28 @ 15:17
迴響 from: 自由人 [訪問者] · http://cruhsu.plog.mlc.edu.tw
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這可惡的小日本
ㄟ...小弟竟然有11
第一次留言就有好成績啊
科科....
2008-11-28 @ 15:24
迴響 from: 小白 [訪問者]
小時候就沉迷這樣傷痛的歷史啊~~真是憂國國民來的!
2008-11-28 @ 15:26
迴響 from: Darlenian [訪問者]
跟納粹的集中營一樣可惡
資料移去美國了
讓我想到潘朵拉處方這本書...
陰謀論真的很有趣
但也很恐怖
2008-11-28 @ 15:31
迴響 from: 朱厚宅 [訪問者] Email
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聽說AIDS也是人為散播的...

不過我們是受[請自己填上名字]神眷顧的宅

輪不到我們的
2008-11-28 @ 15:40
迴響 from: expo [訪問者]
先發作一下阿宅的歷史癖。

731這個事情應該要有一點新說法,最近10年有一些新資料、新觀點出來,尤其日本有不少相關的文件新研究。這件事可以不用講的那麼陰謀論。

簡單的說,我覺得731只顯示日本的生化戰力一整個無力,大約只有西方國家在一次大戰的水準。這方面可以參考1930年的霧社事件,陸軍省臨時要求陸軍科學研究所製造200枚催淚彈。我們看莫那魯道的英勇,就知道日本人的水準了。

然後,731比較像是日本陸軍內部的一些人,在天高皇帝遠的地方胡搞,並不算是軍方的政策。這方面,可以對照廣島的大久野島事件,以及日本軍方在1899年之後對於生化戰的概念。

而且,就算他們有意要發展生化武器,預設的施用對象也不是中國人,而是當時的蘇聯。這部分,可以參考1939年前後,陸軍與海軍在戰略上的爭執,以及他們諾門罕事件的反應。

另外,不太懂731跟林一平教授有什麼關係?
2008-11-28 @ 15:55
迴響 from: Smiling Dino [訪問者]
還是恭喜宮崎葵當選VOGUE的年度最佳女性吧!!

幸福能像細菌一樣傳播就太好了:D
2008-11-28 @ 16:04
迴響 from: expo [訪問者]
剛剛打太快。

補充一下,最重要的一點是,「731的東西後來移交給美國」的說法,可能是個誤解。

其實美國在這方面是領先的。當時國府在「遠東軍事法庭」提出關於731的證據未被接受,並不是因為美國看上731的研究成果,而是,美國擔心,731這件事公開之後,無異於宣告生化戰完全成為非法,美國還想留一個武器來對付蘇聯。

簡單的說,就是政治考量。日本人的技術能力沒有那麼高啦。
2008-11-28 @ 16:08
迴響 from: RR [訪問者] · http://roseroo.spaces.live.com/
泯滅人性...
小時候會很恨日本,但是現在持平看待了~

不過印象深刻的是四川大地震時,PTT數吱版的發言:
"任何能使中國人減少的天然災害我都歡迎"

已是另一種人性的淪喪
2008-11-28 @ 16:08
迴響 from: ㄎㄎman [訪問者]
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哇哇哇哇,好前面喔!!
2008-11-28 @ 16:44
迴響 from: LunaSea [訪問者]
為何正妹不能像細菌一樣



擴散在我整個房間的空氣中XD
2008-11-28 @ 16:46
迴響 from: 失憶老人 [訪問者]
太殘忍我看不下去…

這應該是朱大的文裡面我永遠看不完的一篇
2008-11-28 @ 17:37
迴響 from: 簡尼夫。德萊尼 [訪問者] · http://www.gamebase.com.tw/mybase/kenneth1991/
今天去了畢業禮= =



齋戒的Beotos!!!
2008-11-28 @ 17:38
迴響 from: 機殼 [訪問者]
沒人注意到文章的譯者是溥儀的胞弟嗎

就是流轉的王妃的老公
2008-11-28 @ 17:38
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
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閱畢~~~
2008-11-28 @ 17:45
迴響 from: 路過的 [訪問者]
731部隊的殺人研究家,曾把人叫做「木材」又叫做「猴子」,

印象中電視有播過這個專輯
當時OS對實驗對象(根本是受虐對象)的翻譯稱呼是「人柱」
很血腥的一段歷史
2008-11-28 @ 17:48
迴響 from: SL [訪問者]
人柱力嗎?(抖)
2008-11-28 @ 18:07
迴響 from: 啥。 [訪問者]
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日本的731...
金門的831比較有趣。

多了100分就是不一樣
2008-11-28 @ 18:28
迴響 from: augustinus [訪問者] Email
731 的漫畫?有啊,《彼岸島》
2008-11-28 @ 19:29
迴響 from: Black Sabbath -結晶體 [訪問者] Email
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我來看看..閱讀中
2008-11-28 @ 19:37
迴響 from: 艾米爾 [訪問者]
每看到這段歷史....總有種反胃的感覺....
2008-11-28 @ 20:21
迴響 from: S. Peter [訪問者]

從菲利普‧金巴多教授寫的《路西法效應》(並不是指大家看到朱恐龍大就會科科的效應),在極端情境下,會做出符合一般道德觀決策者才是異類。

也就是說,隨便從本版抓一個人丟到當年731部隊成員所處的情境下,會拍拍屁股辭職不幹的大概也沒幾個。這是情境因素壓倒性力量的現實,所以也不用覺得要多無惡不做才會幹出慘絕人寰的事。當年紐倫堡大審阿道夫‧艾希曼時(鄂蘭女士後來將其寫成名著《Banality of Evil》)一位心理學家就寫到「無論如何,他的精神狀況比做完他精神鑑定之後的我還要正常。」

所以,人人有機會,各個沒把握。戒之!慎之!如臨深淵、如履薄冰。
2008-11-28 @ 20:23
迴響 from: 秋名山之恥 [訪問者]
*****
真是罪孽啊...
所以我現在該仇日嗎?那我的D槽怎辦...(羞)
2008-11-28 @ 21:55
迴響 from: PLUS [訪問者]
樓上的"戒之!慎之!如臨深淵、如履薄冰。"

真是擲地有聲的警惕啊!!
2008-11-28 @ 22:23
迴響 from: 朱厚宅 [訪問者] Email
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我不用戒.....因為我是那種會抗命辭職砲轟上官的怪人

陳樹已經被擊落了
2008-11-28 @ 22:40
敵乎? 友乎?
對日本不用太在意過去的歷史,他們本來就會是敵人,也會是朋友。

我們一樣可以快樂的看著日劇,使用日貨,抓盡他們的A片,還可以存錢去日本援助交際,中出的時候大喊"啊~~~~~~嘶~~~~~ 中華民國萬歲~~~~"

但是我們也不可以遺忘他們過去的錯事,因為歷史是會重複的,我們若對於他們對於我們做的錯事不關心,那麼這種事情一樣會再度發生。

所以對於日本竄改教科書是必須譴責的,因為他們企圖不讓他們的後代承擔這個責任,且美化他們過去的錯事。

這對於受害者的我們,在心情上是無法接受的,
他們的後代若不知錯,錯誤可能就會再度發生。

所以我要好好存錢去日本援助交際......
2008-11-28 @ 22:40
迴響 from: 阿弊呀礙呆丸 [訪問者]
To:天將奔烈

回來記得出個「極樂東瀛」自拍專輯
以慰陣亡將士英魂
也饕餉眾位宅宅啊~~
2008-11-28 @ 22:58
迴響 from: S. Peter [訪問者]


迴響 from: 天將奔烈 [訪問者]
「所以我要好好存錢去日本援助交際......」

樓上外行,蒼井空今天人就在台北你也不會把握……

12月櫻井莉亞和松島楓都會來,自己好自為之……不認識這幾位的請去問本站路家二老……

2008-11-28 @ 23:15
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
以下是引述自維基百科【徐蚌會戰】條目的文字:

第三階段
1949年1月6日,共產黨軍隊對包圍的杜聿明所部發起總攻...蔣中正更曾經親自下令使用國際法禁止的催淚性毒氣彈,以「甲種彈」為名掩人耳目

中國人也對自己人丟毒氣彈過
蔣中正的信徒看到這段不知道會怎麼想
為了消滅萬惡的共匪,做任何動作都可以嗎?
2008-11-28 @ 23:27
不好意思,總是想要追根究柢。

霧社事件中從飛機上掉下來的不是催淚彈,而是瓦斯毒氣彈。造成一些戰力的瓦解,一部分人投降,一部分人自殺。

將生化兵器應用在戰場上,主要有
晉南肅清作戰
徐州會戰
武漢作戰
湘贛攻略戰
華南作戰
宜昌會戰
太行山肅清作戰.......等等戰役
都有得到相當的戰果.
這是戰場上的使用,其他在村莊的"試驗"就不用說了。

美國發現這些資料之後,國務院發了一封電文給麥帥指示日本的細菌戰經驗對於美國的細菌戰研究計畫有很大的價值。要其不追究石井等人的責任。

而美國獨吞成果主要是為"國防利益"及"國防安全"著想,所以避免公開審判,不然怕這些資料會被蘇聯拿到手。
所以就不追究石井等人的責任,還給他一筆錢,這些人後來都任職大醫院的重要位子,所以日本醫學是很發達的,因為台灣人最喜歡去日本買藥。




2008-11-28 @ 23:34
迴響 from: vita--erase [訪問者]
有影響力權力、社會地位的人,
環境給其的肯定讚美,
常使其得到力量而能顯得飄逸且自信,
但自信常會使性格裡自我的意識漸加深,
要求更多極致,
越發注重美好的最終結果,
久了就不能再細微地感覺到別人的苦痛了
2008-11-28 @ 23:56
迴響 from: vita--erase [訪問者]
>大家永遠都只會挑對自己好的說,對吧。>


羞愧

2008-11-29 @ 00:02
迴響 from: vita--erase [訪問者]
林教授到底有什麼八卦呢

2008-11-29 @ 00:06
迴響 from: vita--erase [訪問者]
TO朱厚宅 [訪問者]
...
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陳樹已經被擊落了


陳樹怎麼了嗎?官場來來去去滴
2008-11-29 @ 00:34
迴響 from: 仰角60度浮出 [訪問者]
不知道那幫石井混帳有沒有想過 他們製造的高毒性病菌 會跟著他們的子子孫孫 世世代代的活在同一個地球上?
2008-11-29 @ 01:24
迴響 from: 哈哈哈哈哈 [訪問者]
朱大在這邊PO這個東西,其實一點用處都沒有。
檯面上的強國私底下都有生化武器儲備啦
而只要些許的生化武器就可以輕鬆的耗盡一個國家所有的防疫能量。
就算你在這邊轉貼了這些731部隊的事件。
美國還是取得並使用了731部隊所得到的數據呀。那朱大要不要罵美國也是邪惡軸心XD

以我長久的觀察,這一類恐怖的事情很快就會從大家的腦海裡淡去,人最關心的還是賺錢與娛樂XD
人類唯一知道的教訓就是人類永遠記不起教訓
2008-11-29 @ 03:43
迴響 from: gunbuster [訪問者]


為什麼要在這篇文章裡搜尋 銀河飛龍 呢?

企業號有參與細菌戰嗎?
2008-11-29 @ 04:17
迴響 from: 朱厚宅 [訪問者] Email
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因為金管會的組成要件不足

只有金沒有管,導致有錢[你存進去就是它的]

有勢[用錢買出來的,例如預先知道一億元交保的辜家]

的銀行為所欲為的賣保證虧本的連動債[這個以後有機會或許會跟媒體講上個一整天],一般法檢無可奈何

極度尊重法律的總統一知道這件事,首先就是把管事的抓去問嘛!

怎麼問都讓人感覺[你這傢伙真是當大官的材料,這個小位子真是委屈你了]

所以就被換下來,另有重任
2008-11-29 @ 07:20
迴響 from: 丁丁 [訪問者]
流感的菌…也是很恐怖的!
感冒真不是件好事兒:
1.在車上看書,鼻水會不自覺流下來…乾脆不看!
2.在車上打噴嚏、咳嗽…會吃到好多顆白眼珠,所以要戴口罩。
3.戴了口罩又想睡覺…可是還得去上班~~
4.上班時,腦袋不靈光,運轉失靈..於是變成丁丁…
5…..Orz
6.罄竹難書, 族繁不及備載…
各位鄉親請多保重..要注意保暖啊!
2008-11-29 @ 09:33
迴響 from: gamebug [訪問者] · http://gamebug-blog.blogspot.com
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我比較好奇的是,731部隊和star trek之間的關連性...
2008-11-29 @ 09:54
迴響 from: Colin [訪問者]
印象中資料應該是美蘇各保存一份
蘇聯那份源自於滿州閃電戰
美國那份似乎是戰後由日本所移交過去的(?

記得很久以前看過某節目有介紹拍攝美國保存這些資料的731檔案室...

Wiki上也有部分軍籍資料
http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=731%E9%83%A8%E9%98%9F&variant=zh-tw
2008-11-29 @ 11:34
2008.11.29 那羅部落電腦教室教學進度

進度:用e-mail寄信

發現部分中年級小朋友看不懂小寫英文,未來會安排英打練習。

欣茹講話開始會用"請",跟身旁的小朋友互動良好。

有小男生迷戀珍珠美人魚,很喜歡邊看片頭曲邊唱。
2008-11-29 @ 11:46
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
*****
看了這麼久...
我發覺我把林一平誤以為是林一方了
還好沒有誤認為林一陳
2008-11-29 @ 11:48
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
彼岸島是一個越打越大的線上遊戲啦,跟731牽連不太大啦~~~

Lucifer
2008-11-29 @ 11:50
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
彼岸島是一本很恐怖的漫畫.......囧"
2008-11-29 @ 16:21
迴響 from: 白森 [訪問者]
我果然有眼殘的毛病,看成澳洲第731部隊,心裡還在想說:馬的!澳洲人也不是好東西(誤)
2008-11-29 @ 19:01
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關於731部隊的漫畫我是沒有看過啦!!不過有一本由"遠藤周作"所寫的小說"海與毒藥"裡面有描述了這些事件.相當好看且發人深省.推薦給大家!!
2008-11-29 @ 19:14
迴響 from: Vergil [訪問者] · http://www.washivaca.blogspot.com
推荻島靜夫的日記,不過最有價值的南京事件疑似被刪了。
2008-11-29 @ 20:06
迴響 from: i bon sai [訪問者] · http://blog.xuite.net/nt200.wey/blog/19365536
推張純如的 錢學森傳

不過殷允芃沒鳥蛋再版
2008-11-29 @ 20:09
迴響 from: stary9 [訪問者] · http://stary9.pixnet.net/blog
覺得奇怪,二戰期間,怎麼會有彩色照片呢?
2008-11-29 @ 20:32
迴響 from: 水餃 [訪問者]
松島楓之前好像有來過?
2008-11-29 @ 23:22
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
沒錢買碳,但是還有錢付網路費或是在網咖?!



對不起...我今天喝了檸檬汁.....講話超酸
2008-11-29 @ 23:56
迴響 from: hydra4 [訪問者]
好吧....田中芳樹的創龍傳有寫一點點其中相關的內容

不過人物是虛構的,用來在書中陪襯主角的角色這樣
2008-11-30 @ 05:16
迴響 from: 不小心路過 [訪問者]
我猜林教授的八卦是[好在他不是學醫的這樣?]
2008-11-30 @ 10:33
迴響 from: lakatos [訪問者]
朱委員,

如果你在美國,應該可以在圖書館找到Japan at War: An Oral History (1992)這本書,裡面145-167頁有三個前731人員的口述歷史。
2008-11-30 @ 10:39
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拿到的資料,或可一讀?!
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2008-11-30 @ 13:06
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去吃點愛吃的東西
恢復元氣吧1
2008-11-30 @ 13:33
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張開你的眼睛,
陽光、星星、月亮高高的掛在天空,
從來沒有走開。

深深吸進一口氣,
再慢慢呼出……
呀~~~
身體的細胞說,
我還要……

什麼都是假的!!
只這一刻的呼吸是真的!!!
你活著!
這是真的。

(喝點熱熱的什麼吧。身體會感激你的。)
2008-11-30 @ 13:53
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...
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2008-11-30 @ 14:11
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昨天吃東西用了3百多
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2008-11-30 @ 17:20
迴響 from: 同土去半一 [訪問者]
這裡果然是個什麼文都會有人搶香的地方....
忽然抬頭看到桌上的日本漫畫讓我有點囧....
2008-11-30 @ 17:47
迴響 from: vita-erase [訪問者]
From 朱厚宅 [訪問者]
因為金管會的組成要件不足
只有金沒有管,導致有錢[你存進去就是它的]
有勢[用錢買出來的,例如預先知道一億元交保的辜家]
的銀行為所欲為的賣保證虧本的連動債[這個以後有機會或許會跟媒體講上個一整天],一般法檢無可奈何
極度尊重法律的總統一知道這件事,首先就是把管事的抓去問嘛!
怎麼問都讓人感覺[你這傢伙真是當大官的材料,這個小位子真是委屈你了]
所以就被換下來,另有重任



接下來好像是陳冲吧,
之前在經濟看過他的專欄,
我沒有能力判斷他的有些看法,
只是感覺他是個相當老練也胸有成竹的人吧
2008-12-01 @ 01:09
迴響 from: 丁丁 [訪問者]
對~喝點熱熱的會恢復元氣~3Q~
2008-12-01 @ 08:29
迴響 from: oskar-其實我有觀察到民進黨有老國民黨化的現象 [訪問者]
*****
以前上細胞學
講到lysosome這個胞器的時候老師很沈重的講了這邊這一段故事,給大家聽,希望大家其他部分沒學好無所謂,但是這邊一定要好好的學。
因為近代lysosome的研究,絕大部分都是來自於日軍731部隊在中國人身上做的人體試驗所得到的數據而來。
原來他也不知道這段歷史。
他去國外唸書的時候,
老師上到這個部分,特別問了一下班上有沒有亞洲人(中國人),然後說了這些研究的來源。
其實就像宅霸說的,
二次大戰後,石井四郎就是用了這些在人體上所得到的數據作為交換條件,換取她們一夥人平安無事,躲過東京審判。
2008-12-01 @ 10:31
實驗內容結果我只記得女人比男人耐寒。

難怪不管天氣有多冷,都可以看到女生穿少少的。
2008-12-01 @ 16:46
to oskar

你這句話,讓我想到以前李敖講過的一句,
民進黨比國民黨還國民黨....
2008-12-01 @ 16:47
迴響 from: 路人甲 [訪問者]
有一個都會傳言提到,戰後因為有大量的七三一部隊成員被日本的製藥廠挖角,所以戰後日本的製藥工業突飛猛進,當時甚至台灣有人到日本旅遊和洽公,都會被親朋好友拜託帶幾瓶日本成藥回來。
另外,遠藤周作的[海與毒藥],背景並不是七三一部隊,而是當時東京帝大醫學院以美國B-29轟炸機機組員進行的人體解剖實驗事件。日方對七三一部隊的相關研究,目前以森村誠一的[惡魔的飽食]最為有名。森村誠一當時為了這本書,還受到日本極右派的攻擊。
2008-12-01 @ 16:56
迴響 from: expo [訪問者]
我手邊的資料是,關於日本與化學戰的資料,大致是到1983年才出土,在此之前,學者通常無法論斷日本的化學戰戰力,所以有各種說法。關於731的正式文獻,也是在這之後被發現,據說是慶應大的松村高夫在舊書店找到的。

至於日本的化學戰的技術啟蒙甚晚,直到1925年之後,才從德國找人來做技術移轉,印象中,這一年是「宇垣軍縮」,日本藉裁軍來提升戰力。在此之前的一些「成品」,與其說是武器,還不如說是化學實驗。1931年之後,才有比較成熟的化學武器,不過主要還是催淚彈為主。

1933年,日本軍方才設立宇志野學校,開始培養化學武器的操作人員。

日本軍方在1941年的內部檢討資料,唯一明確的,是承認他們自己能夠生產一次大戰的所有毒氣,至於一些「新」的化學武器,只有芥子氣、液態氫酸勉強可用。

以日軍在中國戰場所實施的作戰,特別是陸軍參謀部核准的化學戰作戰計畫來看,日軍在化學戰上的能力實在很貧弱。義大利在1930年欺負北非人所用的化學武器,日本都還不到那個水準。

所以,我很懷疑731的研究到底有多先進。而且,731只是日本化學戰的眾多研究單位之一,他的任務是配合關東軍在實戰上的需求,特別是對蘇聯的需求,並不是要搞「尖端」的研究。

不過,諾門罕事件後,關東軍也意識到,日蘇之間的戰力差距太大,就算用上化學武器,日本也打不過蘇聯。人家蘇聯派的可是朱可夫啊。

比較學術、前瞻的研究,應該還是留在日本本島的陸軍科學研究所。可是,從後來廣島的大久野島事件來看,他們的研究應該也不怎麼樣。

不過,朱大的這篇應該還是要談林大教授吧?
2008-12-01 @ 19:32
迴響 from: 鄉民roger [訪問者]
****-
推薦看「黑太陽731」這部電影
不過有點殘忍就是了
2008-12-03 @ 01:55
迴響 from: 路人甲 [訪問者]
補充樓上expo的留言,當時七三一部隊的研究項目主要以細菌戰為主,因為就當時的日本政府而言,使用化學武器不但容易留下把柄,對當時在國際上宣傳要建立[王道樂土][大東亞共榮圈]的日本而言,也會有負面影響。細菌武器最大的優點在於不容易找到證據,只要打死不承認,被害者很難確定是受到細菌武器攻擊,或是一般的傳染病大流行。
當時的七三一部隊研究項目附了像鼠疫,霍亂,斑疹傷寒之外,在駐紮地還有農場及溫室,表面上是為了供應駐紮人員的糧食,其實是為了培養像稻熱病,麥角菌之類以植物為主要寄生對象的細菌及病原體。
2008-12-03 @ 17:40
迴響 from: 頭鷹 [訪問者]
*****
回來的第一篇就看到此文..
狗日的,我要殺光這些倭寇 !!!!!!!

2008-12-03 @ 19:29
迴響 from: expo [訪問者]
關於731與美國軍方交易的說法,起源應該是1981年Gomer Powell寫的文章,從那之後,就有各種「陰謀論」的說法。

對岸的文章常常都有類似的論調。原因之一就不用講了,大家都知道。另一個原因,和「抗美援朝」、冷戰的敵對有關,中方一直有一個八卦,就是美軍在韓戰時使用過生物武器,而技術的來源,與731有關,可以證明美帝資本主義的邪惡。

其實,有些資料可以更新一下。關於731的陰謀論,相關的資料幾乎都已經公開了,一個來源是美國的國家檔案局,他們在2006底、2007初把日本在二次大戰的檔案開放,其中就有731相關的資料,據說有10萬頁左右(?),而且據說,大陸有把部分的內容,特別是關於交易陰謀論的部分翻成中文。另一個是哈爾濱社會科學院的731研究所,他們也蒐集了不少資料,好像也有公開。

至於細菌戰的部分,大部分的資料都提到石井四郎在日本的重要性,據說有到「XX之父」的程度。假設他真的很重要,從事後的資料來看,日本的細菌戰水平其實也很有問題。

因為看到的書面資料不多,我的判斷是這樣:
一、日本的細菌戰啟蒙甚晚,據說是1930年石井到美國考察後才建議成立研究單位。
二、日本的細菌戰戰力低落。因為人才不足,幾乎沒有看到相關的學校,似乎所有人都是邊學邊做。
三、日本的細菌武器數量不多。這可以從陸軍部在塞班、硫磺島失利後,想用細菌戰「反攻」時看出來,當時參謀本部坦承,「細菌數量不夠」,意思是放了也沒用。
四、731到了1941年之後,開始用人體做實驗,是因為他們被逼急了。據說當時日軍高層眼看戰力吃緊,曾經想出要用氣球放毒到美國,所以就開始研究炭疽菌對美國人的傷害。不過,這說法有點怪異,查論文就有了,何必自己做實驗。
五、更重要的是,到1944年左右,陸軍部的高層,最擔心的是他們只會放毒、不會防毒。他們強調「如果我們有足夠的疫苗,就可以確保人員的安全」。

簡單的說,日本是在技術不足的情形下惡搞,日本最多只是能放毒而已,真要把人都給毒死了,日本軍人可能會拒絕進入「災區」。這大概也是大戰快結束時,各地一直有日本放細菌的傳言,因為那些地方都算是交戰區的後端。

然後,一些關於細菌戰的八卦,其實有點弄混了資料來源,在731之外,日本還有長春100、南京1644部隊等單位。有很多地方的細菌戰,其實是這些單位搞出來的。不過,看那些單位的編制,我覺得他們自己還比較擔心自己的衛生問題。
2008-12-04 @ 18:40
迴響 from: shunnon [訪問者]
看完之後真是讓人費解...撇開中國人不說, 台灣被日本統治時代其實也夠慘夠黑了, 看到現在某些老人跟年輕人哈日哈中哈到恨不得跪下舔腳指, 別說別人看不起我們台灣人,台灣人根本就是奴性十足作賤自己嘛
2008-12-10 @ 07:02
迴響 from: 民族主義不過是政客的工具 [訪問者]
**---
咳~同一件事情,不同角度可以有不同結論.

731的罪惡是誰的問題?你可以說是萬惡的日本人,也可以說是社會達爾文思想,或是帝國殖民主義,沒有什麼理所當然大是大非的.

把眼界放開點,同時間希特勒墨索里尼作的,還有二戰後十幾年在柬埔寨的大屠殺,不比731邪惡嗎?不要再給憤青愚弄了~
2008-12-19 @ 12:41
迴響 from: 777 [訪問者]
朱大你好
有一本日本人專寫的731部隊的書
當時作者還受到日本極右派的打壓
叫做"惡魔的飽食"
此書是作者訪問731隊員所寫的書
研究方法還有部隊設備都寫的非常清楚
我看來看去現在有在販售的似乎只剩下簡體版
或是你可以到屏東市陸興中學圖書館找
因為那是我10幾年前在那唸書時看到的了
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