朱恐龍
朱恐龍

大學生真的需要被拯救嗎? (60665 views)
     

先看一下這個新聞。

http://udn.com/NEWS/NATIONAL/NAT1/4753956.shtml

然後我要跟你說幾個故事。

Follow up:

我經常去很多大學演講。

有些有錢,有些沒錢。

有些排名很前面,有些排名很後面。

有些有拿到卓越教學計畫,有些連申請經費的計畫書都寫不太好。

所以我看到不少東西。

教育部的卓越教學計畫後來有把語言能力當作一個評估實施結果的標準。

你也知道我對英文等於國家競爭力的看法相當的不同意。

但是因為那個標準最低階的規劃是「全民英檢」初級。

初級具有基礎英語能力,能理解和使用淺易日常用語,相當於國中畢業程度。

你都讀到大學了,甚至是大學畢業了,總不會連英文的國中程度都沒有吧?

那等於是高中和國中都形同白過了耶。

所以我也就接受了。

據說也有不少學校開始將這個英檢合格的部分設為畢業門檻。


(當然,每個學校和科系都會自己規定)

也有學校還會補助學生去考英檢的報名費,只要考過了,都可以全數退還。

直到有一天,我去某所學校演講,才知道一個奇妙的事實。

我當時客氣的詢問校長,全民英檢現在大概已經都變成各校的標準了,不知道學校執行起來有沒有什麼困難?

校長很為難的說:「我們有設置協助學生提升語言能力的語言學習中心,也有補助英撿費用的方案,但是效果一直都不好。」

我想說,當然嘛!大學生對於這樣的額外要求是一定會抗議的。不好,大概就是只有八成通過這類的吧?

校長的臉色還是不好看,他說:「委員,不瞞你說,我們全校的全民英檢初級通過率只有15%。

然後他就上台致詞,然後我就上台演講了。

然後等到我坐著高鐵回到台北後,我才突然意識到......

這代表的是那所學校竟然有85%的學生英文能力沒有國中畢業的程度?!


(這學校平面圖相當可愛,暫時借用一下)

等等。 我知道你心理在想什麼。 你可能就像是幾天之前跟我吃飯的台大教授一樣,會說:「台大學生應該都沒有這個問題啦。應該都是那些學校太爛。」

對,我知道全民英檢初級不過這個問題也許這不會發生在頂尖學校裡,但我要說的重點不是這個。

請你聽完我下一個故事。

(作者:米奇鰻......但我不吱道他為啥畫這麼大~~~ http://bremen.blogspot.com/

於是我又去了另一個學校演講。

路上詢問來接送的老師同樣的一個問題。

她說:「對,我們學校把全民英檢初級訂為畢業門檻時真的遇到很多阻礙。去年有個學生,因為這樣差點畢不了業。他就又找立委,又找家長來鬧,把大家都搞的雞犬不寧。」

我想,的確,這類的事情我們聽過不只一次。有學生找蘋果,有學生找議員來關說.....

但我們的作法很簡單,把獎勵的控管標準訂在那邊,壓力施在學校上,學校自然要想辦法解決。

我的想法很簡單,學校挺不住,後續經費就拿不到。

他們自然要想辦法。

學校挺住了,學生的能力就可以有保障,後續的企業獲得的人才素質就可以達到標準。

我也不知道今年還會不會擔任相關的審查職務,你也知道,我一向很惹人厭的。

但我覺得這個邏輯很合理。

我甚至希望有些取消學分比例不及格退學制的學校恢復這樣的要求。 不過,這是另外一回事了。

然後,我就問那個老師:「事情鬧了這麼大,最後怎麼收尾呢?」

那個學生最後還是畢業了。

不過,前幾週學校收到他寄回來的一封信。

原先全民英檢初級都沒有通過的他。

現在已經通過了全民英檢中級。他正在準備全民英檢高級的考試。

他寫信回來是要向學校道歉當初造成那麼多困擾,現在看起來實在很不懂事。

至於他為什麼會心甘情願的去考全民英檢?

原因很簡單。

他在大吵大鬧畢業之後,寄了很多履歷去找工作。

卻連一個面試的機會都沒有。(這是2008年夏天以前的故事,所以狀況跟現在不一樣。)

他一直搞不清楚為什麼。

好不容易有一次獲得了一個面試的機會,主考官當面告訴他,連全民英檢都沒有通過的人,公司不太放心你使用機械設備和生產線的產品。

他只得拼了命的保證一個月之內一定會考過初級。(可能他運氣好剛好應徵時間靠近考試時間)

在面對考不過全民英檢初級就會丟掉飯碗的壓力下,他考過了。

後來,過了幾個月,相當珍惜這個工作機會的他工作相當努力,上司想要拔擢他當小組長,但是.....

於是.....後來就......

你應該知道後來怎麼了。

這是那個老師告訴我的故事。

你要認為這個故事太過勵志也就算了,我也沒有要強迫你相信。

雖然你可能還是不相信,但這個故事的重點也不是在全民英檢。

而是在於我國的教育體系教導出來的學生,本來就會和社會上需求的人才有一些差距。

有的是學校教育不夠周全,那麼畢業後的學生在找工作碰壁的時候,自然知道自己應該要更努力補足,或者是再去更好的學校進修。

有的是學校教育有要求,但學生在沒有需求,沒有壓力的狀況下,根本不可能相信師長的苦口婆心,多費力氣去提昇自己的能力。

同樣的,他在面臨生活壓力,找不到工作的時候,自然就知道自己必須有哪裡需要加強,從而主動的提昇自己的能力。

我不是沒有拿過政府案子的人,今年我的基金會也有接到一個政府研究案。

但根據報導裡面的分析,實在讓人覺得很難以想像這預算有經過周全的考慮。

該計畫主要是為了促進大專畢業生就業,其中竟有高額經費得用於支付給人力銀行,每名臨時工需加計薪資3成支付外包人力派遣公司費用,就連宣傳推廣等事項,也要透過人力派遣公司進行。

這就跟我在審一個學校文化創意產業的企畫案時,看到內文中寫著「擬在學校電梯及重要建築門口裝設大尺寸LCD,播放文創產業相關內容,以促進學生對文化創意產業的認識。」

我一時之間就他媽的心頭火起,冷冷的對著站在台上的校長問道:「校長,裝設LCD這件事情我相信對我國的面版產業有所幫助,但我看不出對文化創意產業的幫助在哪裡?

顯然我又得罪人了。

但感謝上天,至少這個計畫沒有過關,沒有拿我們繳的稅去買不太需要的LCD。

看到這個經濟部工業局與商業司配合推出的「產學聯合研發計畫」,我也必須要問:我看得出這個計畫對於我國的人力銀行和人力派遣公司有所幫助,但我看不出來對於長期就業職務的增加幫助在哪裡?」

人力派遣公司和人力銀行一點也不在乎這三億五千萬能不能夠創造出長期職缺,他們只要找到一個能夠把這個人安插一年的工作就好了。就算把這三成利潤跟那家公司對半拆帳都還有賺頭!!!

你說這樣是不是極為有助於人力銀行和人力派遣公司?!

另外在教育部的「培育優質人力促進就業計畫」中:

http://www.cepd.gov.tw/m1.aspx?sNo=0011504

二、計畫內容摘述
(一)計畫目標
本計畫係以近3年大專畢業生至企業及教育基金會從事職場實習員、行政及職涯輔導之專案管理人員、及進用從事研究與研發性質之高科技產業失業人員為主要對象,就其不同性質與需求研擬相關促進就業措施。目標如下:

1. 提供近3年大專畢業生至企業或基金會實習機會。
2. 提供近3年大專以上畢業生創業計畫。
3. 短期進用從事行政專案管理及職涯輔導教師。
4. 短期進用專業人才到高中職學校協同教學。
5. 短期進用高科技產業人才到大專校院協同教學。
6. 短期進用專業人才至國立社教機構協助辦理館務。
7. 擴增學術研究人員,並建構博士後研究機制,以促成大專校院與高科技產業共同合作研發等措施。
8. 透過學研合作的研發模式,鼓勵企業結合國內大專院校共同研提研究計畫,組成研究團隊,發揮國內大專校院及學術研究機構之研發能量,共同進行產業關鍵技術之合作研究。
9. 解決國中、小專長教師之不足,以偏遠及小校為優先考量,增置教師員額以提升教師教學專業化及學生學習成效。
10. 加速縣市政府整合各級學校體育運動重點發展,建立系統化培訓銜接體制。
11. 促進農業轉型,提升農業競爭力。

這些我查不到詳細執行方案,但相信一定是公務人員們拼死拼活在極短的時間裡面擬出來的,因為通過和繳交特別預算書之間的時間極短。

只是,光是短期這兩個字就出現了四次,原因很自然,因為即使「本案期程為98至99年,所需經費為292億5,770萬元。」,你也沒辦法硬逼著沒有需要的企業產生出不需要的長期職缺來。

而且,我最擔心的是,那些「近三年的大專畢業生」們,有多少是本來應該經歷職場和社會磨練,從而得知自己不足,並且更加成長變強的人,現在卻因為「博士學歷薪資逾5萬元、碩士月薪4萬3350元」這個更為優渥的待遇,而跑回頭來搶這特別創造出來的短期就業機會?

我剛剛打電話問了幾個在科技業任職的朋友,問了一下他們用人的大概狀況,基本上科學園區碩士新人晉用的確接近四萬三、不過那是一年前的價碼,他們都已經人事凍結很久了。台北的一些跨國科技公司則是不再聘用正職員工,全都是約聘的人員,但他們行銷的新人晉用薪水大約三萬出頭,有很多還不用沒有工作經驗的人。其他的一些公司則是趁這個機會希望可以用比較便宜的薪水雇用到比較優秀的人才~~~

而這創造出來的6.9萬人就業,是不是又反而把那些原先可以用較為便宜薪水晉用的研發、行政人才從本來應該會去應徵的企業手中搶走了呢?

換句話說,這樣的計畫,至少以我有限的能力看起來,是攔截了企業本該獲得的(包括失業回籠,中年重新就業)的低廉人才,也阻止了畢業生面對社會真正壓力自我提升、自我覺醒,甚至是獲得真正工作經驗的磨練機會。 它真的夠好嗎?還是有其他的辦法?

如果讓這些人真正經歷社會的磨練和失業的壓力,不就能夠用更低、甚至有些不合理但可以餬口的薪水雇用到他們,從而用這些更低成本的研發能力把握這機會進行新的開發和研究!

(慘了,看完才發現我還認識部會聯絡人.....希望他不要打電話來剿我~~~)

至於你問我有沒有什麼好方法? 我只能說我能力也很有限。

只是前幾天跟麻省理工的人開會的時候,才知道即使是在金融風暴中,連麻省理工都必須終止很多新計畫和新建築的時候,新加坡卻正準備要花費更大筆的經費投資在教育上,委請麻省理工從頭開始替他們新規劃一個結合麻省理工研究和教學人才的新大學......

不,我講的不是找幾個MIT畢業生來做的這種小家子氣的計畫。

我講的是趁著這波金融危機,趁著連麻省理工都很好講話的這個時刻,真正開啟大型的合作計畫,真正引進大量的研究資源和所謂的核心關鍵技術,也許這是一個機會。

多年前沒有人願意出那六千萬美金跟麻省理工合作在台灣引進師資和資源,建立亞太創業中心。

就像當年杜邦本來因為覺得成品還有瑕疵,要廢棄尼龍前身的聚合物研究,卻因為美國1930年代大蕭條的關係,重啟這項研究,加派更多工程師和科學家給計畫負責人,並且進而讓尼龍成為杜邦最重要的產品,也成為二十世紀最大的工業突破之一。

唉呀,但這只是我野人獻曝而已。我相信那些大教授一定看到這麼多的資源會很高興吧,我在寫部落格的時候,大家一定很辛苦的在寫研究案吧?但你們真的那麼厲害,可以在短短幾週之內變出原來沒有的前瞻性研究計畫?

我不吱道啦。吱吱。

Lucifer


去遊戲橘子演講,感覺相機有很厲害的柔肌模式!

厲害,PTT網友andypan帥氣手動做出的光華商場地圖.....感覺可以做光華商場阿宅消費促進計畫之用......

靠邀忘記補充,看完這篇發表意見者可以抽《異數》四本和《神火之賊》一本~~~一週之內抽出~~~

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迴響(1368)

迴響 from: SWP [訪問者]
等等, 我是頭香嗎

媽, 我在這裡!! (揮手)
2009-02-24 @ 23:07
迴響 from: 卡倫斯 [訪問者]
*****
語言很重要
是溝通的工具
但這工具每個人使用起來都不盡相同

為了有衡量的標準
會讀完唐詩三百首的老外
就會是全民中檢初級?

不過感覺現在的英國字彙...跟10多年前的課本...
有差耶~~~

現在教的比較深?學生程度比以前高?
呵呵...
2009-02-24 @ 23:10
迴響 from: SWP [訪問者]
再留一次, 我看完了。
是很嚴肅的文章啊, 提到英檢但重點不在英檢, 提到拯救但似乎重點也不在拯救....

政策這種東西啊....
2009-02-24 @ 23:13
迴響 from: 小觀眾 [訪問者] Email

聽說「靜夜思」有版本爭議

有人說是
舉頭望山月,低頭思故鄉
而非「舉頭望明月」

科科科
2009-02-24 @ 23:14
迴響 from: Emil [訪問者]
真的假的...仔細看完全文還有前10!!!
2009-02-24 @ 23:19
迴響 from: Emil [訪問者]
不過科技業的徵才真的是個問題啊....BTW,現在科技業的碩士起薪可沒有43000這種價碼了.....
2009-02-24 @ 23:20
迴響 from: 卡倫斯 [訪問者]
*****
帶槍女子我們居然在上下樓捏~ (握手)
哇勒~我都不知靜夜思這居然有爭議 -.-

不過這麼不景氣的年頭
如果真能有大型的跨國合作一定很屌
企業看來是沒望,學校也要靠提案才有可能

如果那位政府部會連絡人看到
擬出個案子提出也不賴
顆顆顆顆...
2009-02-24 @ 23:22
迴響 from: DFY [訪問者]
終於看完,二香嗎?
2009-02-24 @ 23:23
迴響 from: DFY [訪問者]
可惡,都是那張「地圖」
2009-02-24 @ 23:25
迴響 from: 唉唷 [訪問者] Email
我覺得不管景不景氣
本來就是要靠自己
大學生應該要很慶幸不景氣發生在自己還年輕的時候
是的
我很慶幸
也對未來保持樂觀的態度
2009-02-24 @ 23:26
迴響 from: 人生四十宅開始 [訪問者]

搶救大學生,也是為了搶救大學

不然念大學的變少了,大學退場的機制就要提早進場了

2009-02-24 @ 23:26
迴響 from: 副班長 [訪問者] · http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/my3098-088883939/
見鬼
看完還有前10
潛水那麼久 真沒想到搶得到
是這篇太嚴肅嗎

哈 羨慕朱大有正妹合照
2009-02-24 @ 23:27
迴響 from: BIN [訪問者]
現在每天新聞80%都是不景氣,企業就算想徵才,也會因此龜縮下去了,而大有為的政府勒,只想為了失業率好看,搞些有的沒的名堂,只為了不被噹,可悲喔
2009-02-24 @ 23:29
迴響 from: vivi [訪問者] · http://vigundam.blog.shinobi.jp/

喔喔喔 我是看的懂古代文字的強者!!

---------------------------

英檢啊....

台灣大學生很多問題都是出在說吧?

因為要考上大學不用開口說的關係,這塊比較弱
偏偏英檢又要考....

我自己是聽跟看都沒問題,畢竟很多課本是原文書嘛
不過說我就不太會說了,考試又不會叫我朗誦考卷...(理科)

而且我也還沒去考過英檢...
2009-02-24 @ 23:30
迴響 from: 矮子 [訪問者]
唯有失敗 才會造就成功 了解自己的痛處!
大家加油!
2009-02-24 @ 23:31
迴響 from: 奪命圖畫紙 [訪問者]
科科
2009-02-24 @ 23:36
迴響 from: ICE [訪問者]
對於有惰性的學生和沒有學習動機的人
GEPT的測驗還是有幫助的
>容易與國際接軌
能做第一手為何要第二手?
獨立學習是很重要的!!
2009-02-24 @ 23:37
迴響 from: Kirin Lin [訪問者] · http://kirin-lin.idv.tw
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衝著可以抽獎的分上,我看完文章實在沒有什麼太特別的感想,但是還是要留言等抽獎。
2009-02-24 @ 23:38
迴響 from: 亨利爸 [訪問者] · http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/henryyark
*****
我也贊同!想抽異數
2009-02-24 @ 23:43
迴響 from: ShinPing [訪問者] · http://simon0412.spaces.live.com/
全文閱畢!!
還有前20嗎??

要說心得...
我只能說...能看懂"千年古文"真的很驕傲!!
2009-02-24 @ 23:44
迴響 from: 風吹樹動 [訪問者]
全民英檢or其他的英文檢定真的很重要~就我目前工作的感想...沒英檢想升官什麼的~難啊!還好我有通過英檢。
通常在學校時很少人會想去考~除非學校規定什麼的,但是,就業沒英檢幾乎混不下去啊!
不過就像朱大說的,語言只是工具,重點是要充實自己
2009-02-24 @ 23:45
迴響 from: 小梅子 [訪問者] · http://jacobmei.blogspot.com
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現在的問題是:就算提案寫過了,錢下來了,執行的人是豬頭,還是沒有解決問題。
2009-02-24 @ 23:46
迴響 from: fishopen77 [訪問者]
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看完之後感觸良多...
難得有那麼一篇讓我那麼沈重的
2009-02-24 @ 23:47
迴響 from: Layzer [訪問者] · http://blog.murmurhouse.com
教育一直是不被重視的東西啊
每個人用說的都很厲害
但是實際上真正做的都跟它沒什麼關係

就連我們系上的課
畢業之後還是要有一堆課程要報名之後才能工作
當然我們系算是特例

台灣的大學只傾向培養做事的人
而不是思考的人
我不喜歡 所以我在畢業前就當完兵了XD
結果礙於企業會看學歷 所以我又要回頭去考試
真是亂七八糟XD
2009-02-24 @ 23:47
迴響 from: Simparn [訪問者]
那個傢伙該不是就是我們學校,屏科大的學生吧。(聽說是個女的,當時還上中興研究所)...
2009-02-24 @ 23:50
迴響 from: Jon [訪問者]
圖好大~~~抽獎湊人數~~
2009-02-24 @ 23:52
迴響 from: h5i [訪問者]
我想看書 抽到我!!!
2009-02-24 @ 23:55
迴響 from: 過來人 [訪問者]
計畫有些單位真的亂寫

小弟從事身心障礙就業

也要寫計畫跟政府要錢來幫助身心障礙者找工作

說實在

台北市政府勞工局這邊就管的很嚴

相對於教育單位來說差很多(就小弟經驗)

對比於執行成果就真的差距很大

全民英檢

幾年前考過中級,居然沒過...完蛋了我

今年要在準備考一次,不過價錢真的不便宜
2009-02-24 @ 23:59
迴響 from: Chen [訪問者] · http://derchao.wordpress.com
朱大說的好阿 ㄎㄎ

話說回來, 本地的高等教育也很少會反思阿
比如說明明出現時間比別的華人地區久的管理教育 竟然沒辦法在管理教育有一席之地 或著說取得領導地位阿 XD
2009-02-25 @ 00:00
迴響 from: 私心 [訪問者]
面對到該面對的
人就會這樣子的活下去
非常的理所當然,也不令人意外
不過政策總是會自然而然的遺忘這一件事情
或許這就是這個時代的另一種悲哀吧
我是一個剛好在這波不景氣的大學畢業生
我現在在當兵
大家覺得我至少可以躲過最不景氣的這一年。但實際上,我依然覺得該面對的總是會面對的。
題外話,我的英文弱到靠北
我也對此感到淡淡的憂心
但實際上的我
我想有六個字最適合像我這樣子的人

到時候...再說吧...
2009-02-25 @ 00:00
迴響 from: 七三么~~毒氣屎 [訪問者]
研究目的:
為了因應全球金融海嘯對台灣科學環境的衝擊,本研究目的旨在針對OOXXOXOX進行分析探討,以..............................,.............................................,並將本實驗結果提供給產、官、學、研等各相關單位參考,以期達成增進人民福利與創造全民福祉之目的。
關鍵字:OOXX,OXOX。

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2009-02-25 @ 00:00
迴響 from: Carl [訪問者]
這波政府想救失業率的政策下,的確肥了很多人資公司。
2009-02-25 @ 00:01
迴響 from: CK [訪問者]
*****
真是越來越令人擔憂了
以我一個高三聲而言
上大學容易
上好大學難
現在再看看......
幹我以後找不找得到工作阿!
朱大
我是板橋高中的學生
你之前來我們學校演講我有(翹課)去聽(那次祇有高一高二去聽,沒開放高三)
真是太精采了
我也意識到以後的競爭會是多麼激烈
卻也讓我知道不該這麼容易就放棄
但是看看我同學那醉生夢死的蠢樣子
幹未來的國家競爭力在哪裡阿阿阿阿阿阿!!!!!!
2009-02-25 @ 00:03
迴響 from: weedyc [訪問者] · http://weedyc.pixnet.net/blog
教育就是這樣子的,真正懂的沒有權力,真正有權力的一點都不懂。XD

但我是為了書來留言的!哇哈哈!
2009-02-25 @ 00:03
迴響 from: 三毛 [訪問者]
第一次留言, 其實我是想抽書......
2009-02-25 @ 00:03
迴響 from: yumi22 [訪問者]
語言大概不是真的頂尖重要,但我看過有些大學生的能力實在太差勁了,大概也浪費了受過的國民教育了吧:〉

我也想抽書!!

圖太大啦 根本看不出是什麼東東耶
2009-02-25 @ 00:04
迴響 from: Mattlovecat [訪問者]
炒短線的心態一日不改,
就會有更多像朱大提的這些鳥政策冒出來......

但真的是出社會工作了才會知道企業到底要什麼樣的人什麼樣的技能。

附帶一提,
對於朱大提到審某校企畫案的花絮,
敢於直拳對決校長的真男子漢行為,
小弟真的非常敬佩。
2009-02-25 @ 00:04
迴響 from: IEFIVE [訪問者]
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嗯,同意政府干預會讓市場虧損。
"如果讓這些人真正經歷社會的磨練和失業的壓力,不就能夠用更低、甚至有些不合理但可以餬口的薪水雇用到他們,從而用這些更低成本的研發能力把握這機會進行新的開發和研究!"
只是說,這類的磨練是有真有必要嗎?如果能避免我覺得也不錯,就像當兵我覺得沒必要一樣qq
個人淺見。基本上還是同意朱大說的,這個計畫並沒有經過深思熟慮,而且讓企業損失一個便宜收購人才的機會。

關於英文檢定呢,其實教育部有明文規定國立大學畢業生確實要符合上述條件,但是我個人是覺得朱大說的,等學生有此需求,就像故事中主角,一個月內馬上考上!我相信人都是有壓力的,今天要求這個是基礎,不但拉高水平(無優勢),也同時讓這種檢定的業者賺翻!畢竟有些人從事的行業跟這些檢定考試無關(雖然有的話好像威一點)。
2009-02-25 @ 00:05
迴響 from: 小白 [訪問者]
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希望將來的學校能夠啟發學生,幫助學生,讓學生們知道自己要追求什麼,需要學習些什麼,而不是只會通過一關又一關的考試...
2009-02-25 @ 00:06
迴響 from: gamebug [訪問者] · http://gamebug-blog.blogspot.com
不過話說回來,有些時候明明某項技能也還可以,偏偏考運相當的糟糕;也有人滿手證照,但是在工作面試的時候,簡單的小問題一碰就倒。
有些時候體制造就了很多很會對付考試的人,但是環境卻培養不出能充分應用技能的人...
2009-02-25 @ 00:07
迴響 from: 貼地超人 [訪問者]

聼我同學説清大餐廳擺了一台 $ONY 52 吋液晶電視就爲了放些統計資料之類的..
2009-02-25 @ 00:09
迴響 from: mono [訪問者]
*****
想到我們號稱全台北最窮的公立大學的電梯口居然有螢幕播放就感到有點心寒!

英檢執行有困難可能跟報考時間(一年兩次)和報名費(近千元)有關,教育部為什麼不投注外語教學的經費而是要大家去考檢定|||
2009-02-25 @ 00:09
迴響 from: noodle K [訪問者]
大學生不需要被拯救,因為太多
但是,可以在各方面提昇
包括英文學習
2009-02-25 @ 00:09
迴響 from: 班恩 [訪問者]
*****
朱大得罪的人更多了@@
阿彌陀佛!我會每天回向給您的。
2009-02-25 @ 00:10
迴響 from: Nion [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/nionwu
*****
說的太好了 ...
這半年多來真是看夠了幼稚園學生一般的治國法。
景氣本來就不好是事實,但是不敢面對這個現實,卻找些偷機的技巧來掩飾,真的是很差勁!難怪會有人戲稱九流蕭馬戲團...

那些短期的工作、拔草、養魚、一年的景點導覽員... 除了創造出失業率下降的假象之外,能帶來什麼不一樣的結果嗎。

同樣是工作,為何不用在擴大公共建設,為國家10年後或20年後的硬體作準備,為何不能用在教育上 (看一下第四名的孩子 http://www.businessweekly.com.tw/webarticle.php?id=35881)

想到自己選個笨蛋就生氣.... 喵的XD
2009-02-25 @ 00:13
迴響 from: Larry Wu [訪問者]
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關於審企畫案的那段很有感觸…
社會上還是有太多為拿錢而亂搞的事了…
2009-02-25 @ 00:15
迴響 from: 讀者 [訪問者]
朱大 看完這一篇 其實又多了更多的問題 學界與產業界之間有重大的落差應該是眾所皆知的事情 我想說的事 如果產學有落差 為何不叫企業出來開大學 用來培養企業真正需要的人才 大學到底屬於通才教育 還是專才教育呀?
2009-02-25 @ 00:17
迴響 from: 我是來抽獎的.....XD [訪問者] · http://blog.vis.tw
*****
嘿嘿.....我要異數.....XDDD
2009-02-25 @ 00:21
迴響 from: spike [訪問者]
我高中就離開了教育的環境~
其實,一開始覺得自已應該完蛋了~
但是開始工作之後~
要學的不是一推能百萬年薪的第二語言,也不是百萬年薪的電腦技能~
而是對於自已想做的工作,自已想要的能力和自已應有的修養。

能夠吸收、觀察時事,善於助益自已~
不過,這應該是教育該有的~

不過,近來的教育環境有種說不出來的奇妙感..
2009-02-25 @ 00:22
迴響 from: 白 [訪問者] Email
*****
需要被拯救的重點是什麼
1.學校給予的語言能力?
2.政府的好心政策?
3.適時的讓還在就讀的人早點認清現實面?


撇開成績好的學生來說好了(但也有可能包含在內),有多少個人知道自己到底畢業後要從事何種工作?就算知道了,有多少人知道到底企業要的是怎樣的人?你能符合多少企業的期望?

成績不好的讀私校,就這麼一路從高中讀到了大學or科技大學,每天在學校裡翹課打工,若真的是為了自己的興趣及熱情就算了,還是要用家境不好的藉口來打工翹課也罷,根,看似完好其實已經腐爛了吧?

語言能力,如果自己沒有覺醒的一天,我想會有多少人是為了混畢業,而硬去考過的呢?

要拯救,該拯救就的學生心態問題,該用何種方式去拯救,才是政府該做的事吧?

後續提出的那些拿出多少錢、給多少的短期工作機會,看起來都是亡羊補牢了。

(最後的照片是在福朋喜來登拍的啊,不是在橘子裡面,阿反正也在附近啦XD)
2009-02-25 @ 00:25
迴響 from: 鯨魚 [訪問者] Email
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看著政府再亂花錢就會很憂心!
這就是所謂的憂國憂民嗎?

哈~我要異數!
2009-02-25 @ 00:25
迴響 from: 朱厚宅 [訪問者]
召喚朝廷狗官......... 把事情解決一下吧
2009-02-25 @ 00:26
迴響 from: augo [訪問者]
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所以說
自己想要遠比學校逼來的有用啊
2009-02-25 @ 00:29
迴響 from: clio823 [訪問者] Email
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政府為了應付民意草草擬出的計畫...
只能說在上位者都很沒有遠見...

我也聽說台灣台中那邊本來會蓋迪四泥..
結果現在是月x...
知名度差太多啦...

這樣有沒有書抽XD
2009-02-25 @ 00:31
迴響 from: hydra4 [訪問者]
不在於大學生要否拯救...
而在於大學生想不想要被拯救


回想當年在念書時,老師一直說:外面工作環境如何、所以在校也要比照之類的....

結果出來工作了,摸到的東西卻是另一套XD
不過學到的基本剪接技巧及企劃寫作方式就是一直用得上了(小弟曾是電視節目的幕後工作人員xd)

現在的教育環境,問題在於前緊後鬆
國高中因為大考壓力,搞得大家青少年時間被書包壓垮了,興趣?社交?休閒?時間管理?閱讀習慣?全被一巴掌打掉了,可這是一生用得著的課程啊。

所以大學後,沒有統一的教材、考試及管理後,一下就無所適從,只得從這時才拿起以上的東西從頭學起,太慢了、太慢了....


2009-02-25 @ 00:32
迴響 from: swanky [訪問者] · http://swanbear.blogspot.com/
遊戲橘子好棒阿~~~
2009-02-25 @ 00:32
迴響 from: archer [訪問者]
政黨輪替來輪替去都是一樣的人在做事
做出來的也一樣是那些狗屁倒灶的東西
在政府真正把人民血汗錢當錢看的時候
才有機會生出真正有幫助的政策吧
2009-02-25 @ 00:41
迴響 from: CHT [訪問者]
我覺得推動的這些計畫最後幫到的對象一樣是那些名校的好學生,問題在於他們根本就不需要這些幫助吧...?!
2009-02-25 @ 00:43
迴響 from: 路人 [訪問者]
*----
"如果讓這些人真正經歷社會的磨練和失業的壓力,不就能夠用更低、甚至有些不合理但可以餬口的薪水雇用到他們,從而用這些更低成本的研發能力把握這機會進行新的開發和研究!"

我覺得寫的太樂觀了...
台灣公司賺錢的時候也不重視研發,
設研發部主要只是為了節稅,現在景氣
不好,你要公司廉價找一批人來研發?
大概只有廉價是真的。

就像前陣子政府說要多消費刺激經濟,被批成腦殘一樣
"連吃飯都有問題了,還買一些有的沒的?"
"趁放無薪假出去玩?白痴政府!"

http://www.libertytimes.com.tw/2008/new/dec/6/today-p3.htm
2009-02-25 @ 00:46
迴響 from: jhpeng [訪問者] · http://askgods.com
*****
推,中國的神古代文字
反而成為一種特色!
2009-02-25 @ 00:48
迴響 from: Q毛 [訪問者]
有時候看看這些不合邏輯的事也會被長官們通過而且執行,真是猜不透他們啊.....
2009-02-25 @ 00:51
迴響 from: 哈哈哈哈哈 [訪問者]
*****
這讓我想到了羅伯特 T 清崎的名言
政府對解決不了的問題就是當鴕鳥或是丟給下一代,不過看到這些隨便擬出來的計畫,就讓人氣打不從一處來呀。

好吧,現在小的也在求學最後階段,不過我至少知道要去準備語文工具,研究所畢業沒有英檢中高級過感覺很鳥,當個動畫宅不會日文更是鳥上加鳥,不過這一次報名的時間好像過了
所以只好等年底那場了

看完了貨幣戰爭之後,我只想政府趕快存一些黃金吧,政府趕快去買石油吧,趕快去去買礦業公司,總而言之就是學系大陸,去搶奪天然資源吧,我寧願現在節衣縮食也不藥以後沒得用呀

對了我要抽異數

還有你的一萬小時別忘了
2009-02-25 @ 00:51
迴響 from: Marx [訪問者]
來本[異數]讀讀吧
說實在的,現在台灣的大學哪一所不是向錢看
學校要錢,學系要錢,學科要錢,學生會要錢,
學長要錢,學姐要錢....想進各種名目就是要錢
教的東西又理想化到跟社會工作脫節...fuck...
咦....
幹!我對[沒救的人事物]浪費這麼多口水幹麻...orz不講了,講了也沒用
來本[異數]讀讀吧
2009-02-25 @ 00:52
迴響 from: claudck [訪問者]
話說朱大驚覺85%沒有國中層度我有問題...該校有讓全部學生去考全民英檢嘛? 15%我認為是全校可能只有1/5的人去考, 而去考的人有80%左右的人通過, 佔全校15%左右這樣...
2009-02-25 @ 00:53
迴響 from: 哈哈哈哈哈 [訪問者]
迪士尼那個喔
因為當年迪士尼要來時,他們向政府要求要蓋個高速公路接到樂園,結果政府拒絕,迪士尼就去香港了

結果現在月眉還不是高速公路接過去
2009-02-25 @ 00:55
迴響 from: 外文系畢業但也雙手贊成英文只是工具的lanman [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/lanman/article/15959659
那天和一個堅持理想因此不小心從去年中失業到如今的朋友聊天,原本我們都相信儘管想要的理想職缺機會很少,但是夢想值得等待(我們倆個想做同ㄧ途)。

但比她幸運的我提早進到業界,發現這職缺在今年恐怕是更難找了我建議他先隨便找份工作,好在「現實經濟」和「工作方向」的兩大壓力下,至少先解除一個,才能更勇敢去拿他要的工作理想。

我們討論心中理想以外的工作,若要找個亂做來糊口,「臨時公家單位職缺」和「低價工作職缺」會選哪一個去做?
我倆的答案都是:如果後面有計畫(準備考試、出國..),當然選錢多又無舉足輕重不用花腦筋的政府就業方案工作,時間到了就可以拍屁股閃人;但如果後面沒有計畫也在找方向(OR等待夢幻機會,因為有時候想要的不見得如你想像),千萬別貪圖每個月多幾千元,年輕人ㄧ定要到私人公司去給人家折磨,況且搞不好會做出興趣有新的發展也說不定。(可惜他媽媽認為他女兒有錢不賺太不受教了!)
2009-02-25 @ 00:58
迴響 from: 屁王--我是來抽獎的 [訪問者]
*****
請一堆短期做雜工,
讓公務員 "銀仙仙",
讓替代役還能呆在宿舍打電動。
不過就是浪費公帑,
不如以多少發包計劃案,附帶增聘條款,
讓人有收入,廠商亦能有成果、業績。
2009-02-25 @ 00:59
迴響 from: 字數多到要分段PO的lanman [訪問者] · http://blog.yam.com/lanman/article/15959659
我待過累人的房仲業也待過沒把人當人的公司,如果能正面看待那些不合理,將來去啥公司你真的都會過的非常開心。

我也有長期失業過,這期間除了要對抗人情冷暖,最難的其實是你會不斷跟自己PK,在重組信心又自行摧毀之中渡過,是相當棒的自我探索的經驗,更是訓練同理心的最好時機。(當然,前提是沒有忘記找工作。)
2009-02-25 @ 01:02
迴響 from: 失憶老人 [訪問者]
我覺得很多人的心態要調整。
總是要求學校必須負起全部責任,包括自己不努力、不上進、不深入研究…
所謂「師父帶進門,修行在個人」。
學校教育有一定時數,在菜單必須面面俱到顧到你的各種營養要求下,各科能分配到的時間是有限的,能教授的內容也只是重點。最重要是自己必須再深入去研究。
我不懂當學生個人不願意獨立思考,每項作業都只求敷衍了事的情況下,何以能質問學校沒有給他們應有的東西?!
當所有的閱讀心得都只寫「很好看」、「很有趣」…之類的內容草草交差時,如何能將寫不出作文的困窘怪罪於學校教育失敗?
反求諸己,也是很重要的啊。

2009-02-25 @ 01:02
迴響 from: 湯姆等一下 [訪問者] · http://blog.coryma.idv.tw
最近獵人頭公司的朋友在幫他客戶找人
熟Cloud Computing,英語溝通無礙
薪水無上限, 無上限的意思就是說超需要這個人,他們已經找了九個月,找不到合適的.

所以是個人材的話,景氣不好,你要高薪找到工作還是有可能

另外英語只是個溝通的工具,你常講,講一個月的英文,再爛人家也大概猜的出你在講什麼.尤其專業領域的術語其實都是用英文.老外不可能不知道你在說什麼

就像老外講中文,他講在爛,你大概猜也猜的出來他在說什麼

回過頭來,台灣哪有熟Cloud Computing還要有經驗的人啦!!這東西也這幾年才炒熱的(Cloud Computing不等於Grid Computing也不等於平行運算)
2009-02-25 @ 01:02
迴響 from: 大白 [訪問者]
對未來感到很悲觀
朱大得網誌雖然常常在靠腰
但還是苦口婆心阿
2009-02-25 @ 01:03
迴響 from: 想要抽 就有感而發打太多的lanman [訪問者]
政府的就業方案我很不認同,很多臨時工作只是讓失業者延後找工作的痛苦罷了!容易懈怠的人類安逸了半年後還不是回歸到失業問題,治標不治本和吃止痛藥ㄧ樣!況且,讓這些剛出社會的人去做「錢多事不關己類似工讀生」的工作,很有可能誤導他們以為工作隨便做做就有錢領了,這種方案根本是草莓族訓練營吧!(我記得初入社會第一的震撼就是:ㄧ切來真的,馬虎不得!別以為你還是學生在交作業隨便亂做錯了也無傷大雅,別說年紀小不懂事,你有領薪水,個人造業就要自己擔!)

但是在沒有工作機會的狀況下,的確這可以暫時解決某些人的經濟問題,所以我也都會狂傳網頁給我失業的友人!哈哈ㄏ..
2009-02-25 @ 01:04
迴響 from: lulu [訪問者]
覺得自己可以看懂古文好厲害啊!!PS:我也想要抽書
2009-02-25 @ 01:05
迴響 from: lzy [訪問者]
現在許多比較後段的大學生普遍還是無法理解某些的課程與方針的設計跟安排的用心
導致常會發生讓人很感慨的狀況出現
今天也才跟系上的老師討論過一些就業學程的事情
感想如下 ...
沒遇到都不知死活,遇到了就來不及死了 ...
(用台語念會順很多)
2009-02-25 @ 01:13
天下雜誌做過教改十年回顧,看過之後覺得升學壓力這種東西,還是有點用的.

未來很多工作,可能是現在教育無法敎授的呀!朱大在說我都有在聽!

所以,這整個重點應該是,到底我們國家,想透過國民教育,怎樣培養我們的國民去面對未來!
2009-02-25 @ 01:20
迴響 from: JJ [訪問者]
政府到底有沒有想過未來二十年的台灣應該是什麼樣子
如果連想像力都沒有
那寫出來的計畫只是廁紙
針對英文學習部份
我舉個人失敗例子
大學聯考英文連低標都不到
(我就是李伯伯說的英文不好,數學成績好也不該(還是不能)上大學的。偏偏我還是社會組)
研究所在職專班考英文也是同學成績的一半
但是現在我每天聽不到、用不到十句英文
只會講中文的我月薪只有五萬(不算阿魯)
但是我可以接受這樣的生活
我做過十幾個工作,很多是大學生不想做的
但是現在我不怕失業,還有工作繼續找我
因為我會做我能做我做過
如果要做靠英文拿高薪當然要努力學習英文
但是有更多不需要英文卻要你嘗試碰壁學習的工作
你要不要做
還是領四萬多元做一年臨時工後
繼續等腦殘政府花納稅人的錢編預算養少數人
2009-02-25 @ 01:25
迴響 from: alun [訪問者]
*****
語言真的是一個很重要的工具
2009-02-25 @ 01:26
迴響 from: trago [訪問者]
****-
真正有想法的人也不一定就會去當公務員啊,現在很多公務員都也只是為了混一口飯吃而已,對於什麼十年大計,百年樹人的,真的有理想有抱負的多嗎?至少呈現在政策上的結果是不太令人期待。

但是說實在的,現在的大學生多到招牌掉下來十個裡面中八、九個,需要被拯救的是技職教育吧?
2009-02-25 @ 01:30
迴響 from: noblegas [訪問者] · http://johnchao0712.blogspot.com
我要抽中異數
2009-02-25 @ 01:41
迴響 from: 恨 [訪問者]
我還在想我們學校為什麼要多出了那麼多大尺寸LCD在學校電梯及重要建築門口

畢業那時侯在想說要怎麼避開監視器拿回家玩360

朱大你弄的嗎
2009-02-25 @ 01:42
迴響 from: 恨 [訪問者]
孫串出說
語言只是一種工具 不是最後的目的

不過

「誰理他」

2009-02-25 @ 01:43
迴響 from: 恨 [訪問者]
最後
我覺的在這裡的我們好像一群唐吉柯德


也不懂政府到底是給花朵蓋溫室

還是給花朵噴殺蟲劑

柚木..你說呢
2009-02-25 @ 01:57
迴響 from: Willy [訪問者] · http://willyfeng.blogspot.com
*****
好吧
我承認這是為了抽獎才留言
不過朱大要說的話
真的是一針見血
目光如豆加上剛愎自用
才會有這麼鳥的政策出現
2009-02-25 @ 02:02
迴響 from: 夆 [訪問者]
最近有很多鳥計畫出來
ex創業補助之類的....
搞不懂當初感覺還不錯的學者內閣,怎會變成現在這樣,病急亂投醫

亂世雖然難過,卻也是富含最多機會的時代
金融整併、取得核心技術、教育紮根發展
這個時間點可以達成很多事情,可是政府始終搞不出來@@

或許政府運作有千絲萬結的複雜原因吧~
2009-02-25 @ 02:03
迴響 from: season [訪問者]
好多警訊阿這篇
單憑青春無敵的畢業生是應該體驗一下渴求陌生人一個微笑也很好的境界...
我想看異數..
2009-02-25 @ 02:15
迴響 from: Died [訪問者] · http://died.tw
我部門上周才有新人來三天說"工時太長"而離職

不過就是兩天沒回家吃晚餐啊
2009-02-25 @ 02:28
迴響 from: kuo [訪問者]
有沒有可能把演講內容放到youtube. 你說有沒有 ,有沒有, 有沒有 (握女生的手)


(Lucifer:有人放過效果很不好呀!而且你最後握那個什麼手!
2009-02-25 @ 02:45
迴響 from: thicky 厚片人 [訪問者] · http://thicky.pixnet.net/blog
"我國的教育體系教導出來的學生,本來就會和社會上需求的人才有一些差距。"

當年唸書的時候,學生們花了很多時間在背誦中國哪個省產什麼東西,哪個皇帝又做了什麼事情所以有XX之亂,摩擦力怎麼算,方程式怎麼解。

並不是說這些東西就不值得學,但是我們高中所有學的東西通通都跟我們的生活無關,大學如果比較不接觸活動的人也可能就一直鑽研課業,對生活所需的知識,都是等遇到了再來學。

我們很晚才知道正確的性知識,很晚才知道如果被車撞了要怎麼保護自己的權益,很晚才知道稅要怎麼算,很晚才知道什麼才是謀生的工具,很晚才學習理財,很晚才看懂很多政策背後的內幕,甚至有人一輩子也沒搞懂過。

剛出社會的年輕人都像羊一樣,乖巧,沒有腦,看哪裡有食物就往哪裡跑,看大家都一起往哪裡移動就跟著走,遇到狼的時候,幸運的人可以轉型成狼,但是多數人就是被吃了。

成功的人絕對都是很努力的。
2009-02-25 @ 02:54
迴響 from: alan [訪問者]
*****
總是只見招拆招

失業率就這樣解決 不景氣就亂下猛藥

讓民眾暫時看的好像沒事就算避過鋒頭

卻沒想到一年之後過去並不會有多大改變?

明明就是裝做沒看到 解決給看淺的人看

到底還是沒辦法出個好政策

天下太平的時候 是不會創造出英雄豪傑的

這也正是發揮出逆境求生存的時機阿



2009-02-25 @ 02:59
迴響 from: chimaera(下一年就得開始找intern了...) [訪問者]
****-
認清職場需求,那internship(或相關的開放參觀)應該是個不錯的選擇
如果能強制大學生在"在學時期"就已經跟職場有稍微接觸也許可以讓他們更認識自己想走的路是不是對的,以及需要加強的地方吧?
(不過經費之類的我就不清楚了...)
2009-02-25 @ 03:37
迴響 from: cchien [訪問者] · http://cchien.pixnet.net/blog
*****

針對英文這方面,稍微寫一下我的感想

個人認為對於專業理工阿宅來講
英文能力必須分成三大部分,那就是

清新 健康 專業

啊~不對~這是PTT某謎版的萬年版標(絕不承認自己進去看過)
其實是

日常 科科 專業

日常就是生活英文,個人是覺得這在台灣比較難學好
若還在套用何嘉人美語的「How are you? I'm fine, and you?」那就太公式化了。
要問怎麼學好這種,說正格的,在台灣我不知道
我是到美國邊聽邊學才慢慢懂得
所以說這一部份可能比較需要靠環境的輔助

科科呢,就是一切會讓阿宅們做了後會科科的事情
比方暗黑啦~魔獸啦~CS啦~世紀帝國啦~星海爭霸啦~
其實這也跟環境有關,只是不是現實環境,而是網路虛擬環境
想當年我打暗黑為了要收集各種綠色套裝
也是努力查了字典才知道原來「憤怒」還有那麼多不同的英文單字
至於那個什麼 fire in the hole
若有CS魔人能夠把他應用到把咩上的話
那就真的是讓科科英文應用到極致啦
以前在玩魔法門的時候
也是一直勉勵自己
千萬不要灌中文版的

最後就是專業了
身為理工阿宅
這是最最最基本的
看不懂原文書好歹也得看懂程式語言
這是每天都在接觸的本科領域
不想去懂那些艱澀的英文專有名詞
在教授的大刀淫威之下還是得屈服
其實在美國我也看過不少大陸人
英文也是講的5566
可是一寫起程式或推起公式來簡直進入神的領域
當然要發paper也不困難
因為在他們的專業領域裡面
那些英文名詞都是一直每天在重複使用的
所以阿宅們要視情況部分增強英文能力就好
雖然有人說
程式寫的好,要飯要到老
或者是
推導公式不如推倒正妹
但阿宅們一定要有這種堅持
就是不放棄自己的專業以及會讓自己科科的興趣
當然顧好專業英文是不分地區的
如果不出國的話
再把科科英文弄好就差不多了
有什麼比在battle.net跟老外互嗆還爽呢?
當然防範老外在交易時詐騙也是很重要的

把專業+科科英文搞定
對理工阿宅來講一點都不困難
日常英文就看時機了
不需要出國唸書或工作的話根本沒差
如果覺得學好生活英語可以上夜店去把洋妞....
只能說:阿宅,醒醒吧!
擁有這種技能還不如擁有30cm!

回到以阿同伯教授所擔心的
目前學子們甚至不懂mother這種單字而有損於國家競爭力
其實阿同伯太杞人憂天了
至少他可以這麼想:

「至少學生不會對著我喊:f**k your mother!」


希望這個推文可以抽到書啊
不過上次中獎後我一直沒有收到朱大助理的來信
不要因為我在海外就把我取消啊 囧>

2009-02-25 @ 03:45
迴響 from: 異鄉客 [訪問者]
哎呀,搞計畫就是這樣,沒什麼。
現在還有人記得蘇貞昌的「2015年經濟發展願景與目標」嗎?也是以2015年每人GDP達到3萬美元為目標呢。有幸躬逢其盛的公務員應該難忘當時爆肝的慘狀,焚膏繼晷只求預算是否合理,哪管計畫是否合宜呀,自然經不起仔細檢驗,也就人去政息。
而今情勢更嚴峻,時間更壓縮(無論是計畫擬訂或執行期間),會審諸公又只好大放水了。
2009-02-25 @ 03:56
迴響 from: Nefertiti [訪問者]
有豐富的工作經驗和很強的工作能力,還是可能找不到工作的。--->就是在說我自己啦~
滿街都是大學生,淹没了真正優秀的大學生。
我要抽書,失業太久總希望有點進帳,即使是一本不能吃的書....
2009-02-25 @ 04:05
迴響 from: butter [訪問者] · http://blog.roodo.com/butter
*****
Sorry, I don't have Chinese input system on this machine.

Language is really nothing more than a tool, but it's an important tool.

Since the major language used on the world right now is English, we have no other choice but do our best to "use" it. Or to make use of it. To get benefit from it.

Sometime I would think that my view was too narrow before I go abroad to pursuit a degree in the U.S. Now, I "use" English to learn knowledge, and open my eyes for what is going on on the world, instead of gaining the second-hand and biased information from the media in Taiwan.

2009-02-25 @ 04:08
迴響 from: butter [訪問者] · http://blog.roodo.com/butter
*****
Maybe I should say English is the major language used in the developed countries.
The developed countries cannot be representative for the whole world, but our objective should be to learn the experiences of these countries.
2009-02-25 @ 04:12
迴響 from: gp99000 [訪問者]
難怪學校多了這麼多大尺寸LCD在沒人看的地方

目前只是混吃等死等畢業等當兵的大學生
未來日子不好過的話,我就乾脆上網拍賣手工黑糖,還管他未來三小

我要異數,在附近書店找不到= =
2009-02-25 @ 04:21
迴響 from: Eugene [訪問者]
請朱大師出來參選
2009-02-25 @ 04:45
迴響 from: 成小山。 [訪問者] Email · http://blog.yam.com/momoms/
每次來看你的文章,都要先轉成文字檔來看,
因為照片大到整個螢幕的破格了,
無法閱讀,
是只有我的電腦會這樣嗎?(我是mac)
還是原本就這樣呢?

不過這篇文章的重點是...?
不要管大學生死活嗎?哈
(sorry 我沒有其他意思,總之廣告的書我會抽空去看的^^)
2009-02-25 @ 05:42
迴響 from: GGK [訪問者] Email
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這篇文章好無奈啊.....
政策這種東西 
要是照常理去判斷都會變得很奇怪的

沒錯  我相信他們一定是深思熟慮過
這政策在一百年之後會對台灣整個發展產生決定性的影響!!!
.......................

在學術合作方面 我覺得台灣大部分教授應該是
有錢給我就好 幹麼跟別人合作 的心態
所以要合作很難的......

不過現在學校真的很缺錢
我現在就讀加州大學某分校
加州快破產了 州內經費都到不了位
另外美國政府給的學術經費也有延遲的現象
系上連助教都快請不起了.....
2009-02-25 @ 07:10
迴響 from: ccccc [訪問者]
簡單來說就是大學生太多了。

程度差的學生上了大學也難專心學習,

一堆學生上大學反而是打工比學業重要的。

人數一多,就劣幣驅除良幣。

年輕人不出社會工作,增加社會生產力。

反而浪費太多時間在空泛的教育了。

有多空泛? 拿格鬥界來比方,人家都在練地板戰了,我們還在吹噓寒冰掌的威力有多麼的驚人。
做些各立山頭互虧互捧的事情。

現在的大學教育顯得本末倒置了。

這就叫做學歷通膨嗎
2009-02-25 @ 07:12
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
老話一句....日子不好過,不會是日子的錯

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身上沒有真本事的大學生太多了,何不讓社會機制真正的淘汰這些人呢?
到時候真正想向上的人就會認真去學習了.......囧"
2009-02-25 @ 07:45
迴響 from: Shih [訪問者]
政策 有人贊成 有人反對
不過在這資訊不對稱的社會
能夠精確的判斷對錯嗎

2009-02-25 @ 07:45
迴響 from: boto [訪問者] · http://there-desert.blogspot.com/
腦殘的大學生不需要被拯救,因為大多數的學生都是溫室裡花朵,需要的是歷經大自然考驗而不是小心翼翼地呵護,他們有最大的優勢就是年輕力壯,絕對還有更多需要大家伸出援手的人,只是政府常把焦點放在這些討好的政策上,這樣大學生有糖吃,政府也討好社會大眾。
2009-02-25 @ 07:48
迴響 from: wind [訪問者]
當去標一些政府案子時,聽到評審講的那番屁話...就知道很多都是不管執行效果,綁標綁的超嚴重~~
另外,目前台面下的消息是要在上半年就把所有的標案全部公告出去...意思就是要在上半年衝刺,就像我有廠商2月標到案子,結果政府單位希望他們9月才執行一樣...真想叫他們吃大便~
2009-02-25 @ 08:40
迴響 from: Danny [訪問者]
*****
一定要寫意見嘛?可以純推嘛?
2009-02-25 @ 08:52
迴響 from: Alex.J [訪問者]
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雖說英文能力不代表專業能力或做事能力,不才在下是設備工程師(高級黑手),許多程序都喜歡也習慣用中文直接簡短的表達,以期快狠準的完成工作。但公司的mail和報告總是英文用的好的人來的吃香,說真的那些英文報告內容總是文不達意,問過許多人真的看過了解的沒幾個...語言不就是表達用的工具嗎? 就如朱大曾說的[原文書學習的效果,總不如中文來的直接有效]。最後回歸現實,大學生滿地都是,良莠不齊,英檢也只是各大公司拿來評量的工具罷了...
2009-02-25 @ 08:58
迴響 from: Titan [訪問者]
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現在政府許多政策都很重視"數字"。
甚麼政策都是先推出來緩一緩不停下降的失業率等等。
但這又是誰在推波助瀾呢?
高孔廉的形容真是對極了。
2009-02-25 @ 09:10
迴響 from: Notme [訪問者] Email · http://onlynotme.blogspot.com
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如果上面這些官員一天到晚
眼睛只看的到數字 數據
那麼解決問題的方式就僅止於如何降低數字

失業率數字提昇 沒錯 就會被媒體報導
被在野黨及談話性節目攻訐

可是難不成沒有人去看問題的本身嗎?
失業率提高 企業不願意僱用人才嗎?
(其實今年大舉徵才的企業 仍然是有的)
他們反而用更低的薪資 取得更好的人才
特別是有工作經驗 身經百戰 又有國際觀的人才

任何一個時間點 都會有一定的人在社會上
是被淘汰的世代或族群 數字高或低
只是反映當時的情況有多少人被歸類到這裡面

勞委會應該管的是 這些人輔導就業
(原本勞委會創立宗旨就是該做這件事)
什麼叫輔導就業 並不是幫你找工作
而是授予你謀生的技能

講了這麼多 其實也只能代表一件事
就是 阿宅真的很會放嘴砲
要我提出更具體的建議 唉~ 我也是市井小民
無法更有見地

當年美國擴大內需 推行新政
做了多少有益的事 而不是只執行預算 降低失業率而已
現在台灣的擴大內需計畫 裡面有多少藏污納垢
相信仔細看過計畫的人 都會覺得
這真的是我們需要的建設嗎?

馬囧 不要再找學者來做官了
麻煩找找企業界的人才吧!!
2009-02-25 @ 09:11
迴響 from: SD [訪問者]
如果沒有讓學生意識到學習是一種需要
只當成應付學校的動作
那是效果永遠是短暫且低落的阿
2009-02-25 @ 09:28
迴響 from: 半路 [訪問者] · http://blog.monkeypotion.net/
對於英文的學習來說,可能很多大學生只有感受到大人們所講的「未來的需求」或者「為了未來著想」而造成莫大的壓力吧。我們對於「需要」的東西,很容易會變成自己的壓力;如果是對於「想要」的東西,就能夠變成自己的動力。

以壓力為主的學習動機,雖然有時候效果很好,但也常常會造成負面的效應,甚至是以逃避或者放棄等等行為來反應。只是以畢業門檻的規範迫使大學生去學習英文,很難想像能夠有多好的成效。如果要提升學生的英文程度,除了提供教學、輔導與方法論之外,師長們更應該做的是激發他們學習英文的動力才對。

以前在大學的時候,我為了要接觸遊戲設計的知識,而不得不自行閱讀很多英文書籍與英文網站,還特別買了課本之外的原文書每天抱著啃,幾乎是靠著翻譯機才能讀完整本書。我想,如果不是因為有學習遊戲設計知識的動力的話,我也不見得會願意接觸各種英文的知識與媒體。

回標題,我認為不是大學生需要被拯救,而是整個教育體系需要被拯救。而目前所見的就業問題,不過是由教育的「因」所生成的「果」罷了。
2009-02-25 @ 09:33
迴響 from: Asoka [訪問者]
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我畢業的學校也傳來類似的就業輔導"實習"計畫

簡而言之...只給月薪1萬元.然後上班八小時

像這種計劃都是讓公司多賺些錢用的

只是騰個空間放人罷了!

尤其當我去受過"職訓"想增加些能力時

發現到這些急就章的計畫的目標就只是

讓官方數字好看..例如:失業率等等

實際的作為的公式就是不管錢怎麼花~
就是要人多多去過水把數字衝出來

真有3.4萬這種待遇嗎?哈...少數缺額吧!!

像總統去訪問找到就業人士並且問他們的月薪
這種活動.....我只能說是底下的人安排好的
讓"不知情"的高階長官來演一齣戲罷了!

跟當兵一樣瞎!


2009-02-25 @ 09:39
迴響 from: 迷失羊 [訪問者]
*****
識得古文字者仍有
懂得古文字者已稀
2009-02-25 @ 09:39
迴響 from: 豬豬人 [訪問者]
看看我們的桃園機場就知道政府作事情的決心。
牛肉麵被罵很貴。從250降到210。

靠腰~問題不是出在那40元上面阿~真是笨蛋
2009-02-25 @ 09:41
迴響 from: cyber runner [訪問者] · http://orz18.blogspot.com
現在由科科改成吱吱了嗎
2009-02-25 @ 09:42
迴響 from: 機殼 [訪問者]
同意

學校
政府
企業

三方面都有檢討的必要
畢竟三方面考慮的都不是全面

政府想要短期的帳面數字
打算至少兩年內可以不被這問題困擾

只是
長期的規畫往往超出高層的任期

這也許是選舉制的弊病
"必須"有四年內可以看到成效的政策

四年以後的事等連任了再說
當然並非全部政策都如此

只是
台灣要面對下一波的轉變
還需要更長期更全面更精闢的政策

當初口號喊的震天價響
上台之後給人的感覺也沒有煥然一新

喔有啦
新聞煥然一新了....

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學校方面

我同意朱宅所說
社會的壓力會讓新人知道自己缺少些什麼
而這些是學校裡的小孩子完全無法切身體會的

現在的大學培養出來的學士
有很大一部分是完全不具戰力的
我現在在念碩士
我敢說有很多碩士的戰力也薄弱到靠北

我想
問題的癥結還是在於

台灣社會對大學教育的病態迷思
造就目前低戰力大學人口如此龐大

我一直希望教育部能盡快強化退場機制
不論是對學生對教授還是對大學

精實高等教育比精實國軍來的重要

淘汰無心向學的懶散學生
淘汰虛擲光陰的草包學者
淘汰無競爭力的三流大學

把這一部分資源人力都投入更有需要的地方

目前的台灣需要的不是空談的學者
而是苦幹實幹的社會動力


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企業方面

小弟還沒進入職場
說企業只會貽笑大方.....


2009-02-25 @ 09:45
迴響 from: 我是過來人,但不是阿宅 [訪問者] Email
我以前讀書的時後,就是非常痛恨英文的學生
每次考試都作弊,不然就用猜的
一直到要準備聯考
我開始k英文,因為程度太差,非常後悔,因為看了後面忘了前面,再回來看前面,又忘了後面,單字量太大,所以聯考又是用猜的

出了社會,一開始在local的公司,沒人用英文,還是對英文不好沒有感覺

運氣好,在英文不好的奇怪巧合下,進了外商公司,你才發現,local的公司根本不是人待的,外商的公司才叫人生,但這時真的有很大的危機感,英文要學好,才算的上是個人才啊,各位阿宅,但我不是說英文好的就是人才,朱大不要誤會
2009-02-25 @ 09:47
迴響 from: S.D [訪問者] · http://www.ducknest.com
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也沒有通過全民英檢說..

但是英文本來就只是一種溝通工具...

拿來評論人的高低...太膚淺..

連哥哥跟弟弟都無法完全區分的語言阿...

阿....我是索羅馬大學畢業的..
2009-02-25 @ 09:48
迴響 from: jones [訪問者]
*****
現在很多大學都聘用外國老師全程用英文上課,不過能夠聽的懂的學生有幾個呢?在學生程度還沒提升之前,這樣的做法對學生有多少幫助,我實在很懷疑。
2009-02-25 @ 09:50
迴響 from: alexhu7 [訪問者] Email
*****
"民主選舉,只是從兩個爛蘋果中,選出比較不爛的那ㄧ個"。最近馬政府的這些白癡行為證明了一切。但至少可以讓爛蘋果的基因慢慢被淘汰吧!

不過,我覺得扁政府對台灣的遺害,次嚴重的是毀了台灣的舊文官體制,又沒建立新的,導致現在一大堆豬頭在管台灣。(最嚴重的是帶壞社會風氣,貪婪、暴厲之氣充斥。我強烈要求"娘家"停播!)。

這算政治文嗎?會被移到別板去嗎?ㄎㄎ!

2009-02-25 @ 09:51
迴響 from: 太平洋 [訪問者]
細心拜讀了上頭諸位的內容後覺得:
靜夜思確實小學就學過了,而大學後的大家尚有在使用嗎?我自認對那千年歷史的神古文還有點了解,但除了平常書寫時會文謅謅到皺巴巴之外,我不認為會有什麼好處,有時候還要附帶白話翻譯檔。

但我認為這是我們國家的文字,身為中國人,懂中文是很理所當然的一件事。政府狂推猛送第二外語的重要性,那大學生中文能力低落的問題就足以輕忽?

好吧,你說'一般'大學生,聽說讀寫都沒有問題(忽略錯字連篇),何必在神文字上鑽死胡同?那問題就更大了,在高中課本規定研習的單字中,使用的文法,有些對'一般'外國人而言還是Big word及不會使用的說法(就像你平常會使用倒裝嗎?)。我同意大學生需要有一定程度的英文讀寫口語能力,但不該在'全民英檢'上得到證明,那是個'財團法人'所定出的測驗標準,並不具有國際認證性,況且政府以這評定大學的學生能力之一,是否有圖利某特定廠商之嫌?
2009-02-25 @ 09:53
迴響 from: Sampkao [訪問者]
關鍵在驅動力。

官員們會制定出三流政策,主要是這些政策做成做不成,與他們都沒甚麼相干。若這些政策會直接影響到他們,甭管再怎麼不瞭解狀況,也會慎重其事,多往下思考幾步。

大學生也是這樣,考都考上來了,還哪來的甚麼學習動力,就業甚麼的離大學生太遠,哪有線上遊戲可愛?等到了真正面對時,驅動力才終於來了,只好摸摸鼻子認命。

缺乏驅動力,那麼就該製造一些出來,只可惜我們這個社會,製造驅動力的方法,永遠是恫嚇。

公務員的恫嚇,可以用績效考核來辦到;學生們的恫嚇,可以用考試升學來辦到。公務員用這方式還說得過去,但學生呢,我們的學生也是公務員嗎?

恫嚇只會讓人失去熱情,而缺乏熱情的學習,終究難以地久天長。熱情來自趣味,來自興趣,來自正向的競爭,來自爭取勝利的成就感。

以上這些,我很少在正式的課堂上看過,反倒在超級星光大道裡看到了不少。

多可惜啊,這就是我們的教育。



2009-02-25 @ 10:05
迴響 from: 過動教師 [訪問者]
*****
說真的!你問我英文念來幹嗎?
我會回答可以方便閱讀國外領先的研究!
但是!
我是現場的老師,我有空唸書的時間實在太少!
可是想知道的有很多!
那位什麼那些有空多唸點書的教授們,
卻總是關在象牙塔裡,引用少少的國外文獻
幾乎一個學校頂多一兩位會給我們最新的特教資訊呢?

你都不愛翻譯了!
學生怎麼會愛啦~

2009-02-25 @ 10:08
迴響 from: 披著狼皮的羊 [訪問者]
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阿,好像是第二次留言:
據說消費卷要推出之前我們偉大的政府設立了一個專門回答有關消費卷問題的部門,月薪三萬,為期一年(嘿,未經求證,數字可能不準確),說是為了創造就業機會,但是這一年三萬新水的一群人,除了可以學會接電話和講電話之外,不知道還能學會些什麼,我同意朱大的說法,這些奇奇怪怪的政府就業補助,都,沒辦法真正提升學生的素質,我很堅定的相信,只有爛學生,沒有爛學校。(CCC.其實只是想要書,嗚,我好想要異數)
2009-02-25 @ 10:08
迴響 from: 小葛 [訪問者]
很多政策都是本末倒置啊~
新鮮人起薪低這個議題也是前幾年新聞就開始炒作了,也不見起色,
如果這個"短期"就業計畫可以短期的改善,那些政府高官搞不好來要沾沾自喜自己的英明哩。

包括LED那個。
離題講一下,
本國發展文化創意產業似乎一直發展不起來,
上禮拜還聽說以前廣告公司的同事說聯廣被媒體公司以廉價買走了,真是沒落了~

最後,我也好想跟朱大合照喔,臉應該會看起來比較小一點。
2009-02-25 @ 10:09
迴響 from: 阿盛 [訪問者]
生命會自己找到出路

學校本身是否願意提升競爭力,自然會提出各項方案措施,輔助自己的學生出社會之後,是否比起其他學校更有優勢,學生眼睛應該也是明亮的,去好學校才有自己的競爭力。

反觀學生的部份,大大舉的例子非常好,出社會之後才更可以體認自己的不足,好好充實不足的部份...相信這不是靠任何人、機關單位就可以單方面搞定。


2009-02-25 @ 10:11
迴響 from: Colin [訪問者]
其實經濟問題某方面來說也有資訊不對稱的因素在裡面吧
就像今年我們老闆年前花數千萬買豪宅...而我們卻只有1/3個月不到的年終
感覺這種金額似乎是在叫我滾
沒有年終的感覺都不會這麼差
不過我真的沒本事啊...


以上題外話

遙想當年
我在國中上英文課時英文老師一率將所有學生當作有在補英文處理
所有東西簡短帶過
雖說我後來被學校送進資源教室(因為某些科目表現被師長列為"可回收再利用")
然而我卻對英文再也沒興趣了...

或許就像朱大前幾篇提到的
在不同環境成長的孩子對同一件事情會有不同的處理態度
我好像只學會逃避了呢(苦笑
2009-02-25 @ 10:16
迴響 from: 張大俠 [訪問者] · http://changjiinglang.blogspot.com/
****-
大學生”自認”有需要被拯救嗎?大部份是能混就混吧,他們沒有危機意識的話,再怎麼苦口婆心跟他跟講也沒用, 直接讓他們在外面碰得頭破血流,他們才會明白自己哪裡不足,也才會有動力去學習。

因此,個人認為他們的問題是不知為誰而戰,為何而戰 ... 沒有動機,但關於動機這個議題,要他們自己去想了,自己想要什麼,不想不要什麼 ...很基本的問題,他們得要自己找答案。

上了大學,應該會有許多老師強調獨立思考,這點,多出幾個報告(要有觀點,不可以全抄)就慢慢會了...
2009-02-25 @ 10:17
迴響 from: andywolfer [訪問者]
只想現在的人還是比較多,當生活都有問題,家裡沒人攥錢養家的時候,那些人想要提升自己實在也很有難度...

我同學研究所都考上了,還得放棄去工作,那這樣要如何提升自我?

本意我很認同,但是實際上很悲哀
2009-02-25 @ 10:17
迴響 from: Fi [訪問者] · http://dasschutz.blogspot.com/
我英檢其實也考不好耶....
不知道為什麼不是寫作不過或是講話不過....但是我托福還不錯高...囧
而且...我現在還常常幫人改作文....囧
英檢是我心中的痛啊!
2009-02-25 @ 10:18
迴響 from: 我要抽獎 [訪問者]
你明明是個阿宅,為什麼跟正妹左擁右抱,為什麼...

回到正題,現在的政府只重視帳面數字美化,簡直跟掏空資產的上市櫃公司沒兩樣。那不如直接發失業券好了,每個失業的人發50萬,然後從失業人數刪減,還遠比現行做法有效率得多。
2009-02-25 @ 10:18
迴響 from: dataride [訪問者] Email
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剛好在金石堂看到神火之賊,翻了一下,瞄到朱老大的推薦序,似乎是好書一本....

但,有鑒於經濟不景氣,決定參加這次抽獎活動,看能不能抽中這本書,祝我好運!
2009-02-25 @ 10:23
迴響 from: 脆脆暴力熊 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/azz760616
*****
原來我們都是羅賓
2009-02-25 @ 10:23
迴響 from: celavior [訪問者]
的確
一般大學畢業生的能力跟社會所需是不對稱的
這句很有感觸阿
所以沒能力的確就該在學校好好培養起來
2009-02-25 @ 10:24
迴響 from: 于文強 [訪問者] · http://blog.wendellyu.com
***--
英文能力根本就不應該被迫學習,會上進的人自己就一定知道不學不可了,就像我書中寫的一樣,希望有一天看到台灣的教育部長是朱學恆先生
2009-02-25 @ 10:25
迴響 from: chaochen [訪問者]
*****
英文檢定標準雖然大學生都不是很喜歡
但若念到大學了
英文的能力卻還是停留在國中階段?
試想?這是多可惜的一件事情
故學校要求檢定標準
我想我還是會支持
畢竟,有壓力 大學生們才會去進步。
2009-02-25 @ 10:30
迴響 from: longaong [訪問者]
*****
朱大上文
重點不在於英檢 而在於個人成長
重點不在於就業 而在於國家發展......
微言大義 發人深省
透著一股力挽狂瀾的豪放之氣
卻也有一絲淡淡的哀愁瀰漫......
天佑臺灣 天佑阿宅
2009-02-25 @ 10:32
迴響 from: coolanus [訪問者]
**---
英聞出社會後真的滿重要的....
我也是出社會後才體悟到= =
2009-02-25 @ 10:36
迴響 from: longsong [訪問者]
*****
朱大上文
重點不在於英檢 而在於個人成長
重點不在於就業 而在於國家發展......
微言大義 發人深省
透著一股力挽狂瀾的豪放之氣
卻也有一絲淡淡的哀愁瀰漫......
天佑臺灣 天佑阿宅

(哈哈 歹勢 人老了 打錯名稱與信箱 重發)
2009-02-25 @ 10:36
迴響 from: fireman [訪問者]
同意樓上,230名,一個人成本150萬?
那直接一個人給75萬,可以給460人一年的薪水。

台灣現在執政的都是敗家子嗎?錢這樣亂花?
過去8年是這樣,近一年來也是。

難過的想哭...
2009-02-25 @ 10:36
迴響 from: 約翰走路 [訪問者]
*****
許多官員沒有"願景"
或者說不敢有"願景"

在短期內沒有做出具體成效就會被圍剿的壓力下
往往都只能擠出這種近利短視的政策

也許根本不是想要根治"失業率"
只是想要修飾數字,帶給人民,社會一個有希望的氛圍,然後讓自己有個台階下?

至於教育的本質
究竟是為了就業
還是提升個人素質?

若是單純為了就業
為什麼技職體系總至被歧視?

培育了那麼多沒有專業技能
又對前途茫茫而不斷抱怨的大學生
難道又合乎那些政策制定者的期待?

2009-02-25 @ 10:38
迴響 from: Leo [訪問者]
一直以來,我就覺得公家機關是個很神奇的單位,能進去的人多半是菁英,因為公職很難考,所以公務人員都是一時之選,才可以為人民服務,不過一個菁英進去之後,好像並沒有因此增強公務機關的能力,反而變成一個"傳統的公務員",為此我對於他們的精英抹殺能力,印象非常深刻
我想,在這個經濟不景氣危急的時刻,應該啟動公家機關的再造,我認為這是首要,不然一根漏水管子的效用,我是相當存疑的,反正情況不會比現在更慘了,此時不做更待何時
關於英文能力等於跟國家競爭力有關這件事,我想這應該不全然,我想我們需要的是,更多的人將國外先進的圖書翻譯成中文,讓更多的人可以讀懂,這是更重要的事,就像朱恐龍大大的"開放式課程計畫"我想政府應該在這方面投入更大的經費及預算,古人說的好"教育是百年大計",這是跟我們整個國家的競爭力有關係的,唸書時常常聽到"終身學習",不過若是一個國家的人民所學到的常常是一個過時的觀念或是知識,哪麼,我認為這個國家也是"過時的",學習是為了創造知識,不該只是學習技能,這是我的想法
至於創造就業機會的問題,我在想,如果我是公務人員,也許我也會做一樣的事,因為每年編列的預算都要執行完畢,若沒有執行完畢,也許會被冠上"預算執行不力"的罪名,所以我想這部份也有修法之必較,總之,這是一個最壞的時代,也是一個最好的時代,期待新政府能有一番作為
2009-02-25 @ 10:43
迴響 from: chuck [訪問者]
shit~我們學校電梯外有裝LCD耶~~~
誰不知道預算都嘛亂花,卓越計劃的確是對研究有幫助
不過被浪費掉的比例還是很高
唉~無奈啦
2009-02-25 @ 10:45
迴響 from: ㄚ宅28號 [訪問者]
阿同伯跟其他豬公們一直推英文很重要跟世界接軌什麼的..
有些笨笨的公司行號就跟著走啦


對機台操作員來說
有人跟他解說完機台上英文的"符號"是幹嘛的
不是也可以操作機器
不必了解機台上"符號"的意思吧...




話說
朱大也不會去考英檢這玩意吧....

2009-02-25 @ 10:48
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
*****
***
閱畢~~~

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這個議題有點類似昨天的新聞評論

救助某某產業某某公司,
是不是等於在懲罰營運優良公司?

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朱大愛得罪人的習慣真討人喜歡....(羞)

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我是不介意再拿到一本[異數]啦...

上週在雅虎購物中心訂了一本284元.

反正呢,[不可來]的精裝本售完,
平裝本一樣賣284元,
而且還要運費!!!

超商取件,拆包裝,

喔!!!
首刷限量收藏版

不過呢,封面裡的螢光紅真的很刺眼,
以致於我把導讀與序看完就覺得眼睛快瞎了....
(眼睛好痛.....有閃光...?)
(不.....是有紅光.....囧)
2009-02-25 @ 10:50
迴響 from: ickai [訪問者]
這篇和之前那篇修理阿同伯的文章合起來看
大約感覺到朱兄對於語言的看法

既然提到新加坡 就說說個人的觀察與一點淺見
雙語一定是個優勢 所以大家就別再掙扎了 拼下去吧 台灣不是只要自己關起門來就有飯吃的 要走出去和外國人搶飯吃才行
新加坡正在規劃第四所大學 完成以後 小學畢業生才有25%可以讀到大學(我們是多少?) 台灣浪費了大量的教育經費在很多欠缺競爭力的大學上面 偏偏這些大學學程或是培育標準又和業界所需的人才嚴重脫節 而政府 偏又不太能清楚的講出來未來5到10年的產業政策是什麼 讓學校知道要培養什麼專業的人才供給社會需求 這種種的脫節 是蠻讓人心驚的
新加坡這個社會 社會新鮮人起薪也不算高(大學畢業生大約台幣4-6萬左右) 但是新大和南洋理工的排名都在世界前50名 我們台大在100名之外 如果學校能提供的資源已經落後很多了 學生還沒有比較努力的話 競爭力在哪裡?
重點是 這個政府在國際上不豎立敵人 視野廣闊 效率很高 中高級公務員素質之強 獲取的薪資完全對應於能力 沒有年資輩分的問題 看看人家 想想自己 我們政府改革還在注重減少幾個政務官 似乎沒有討論到如何改革簡化立法與行政作業流程(或是媒體也不重視?) 當我們的高級官員拿的薪水跟業界高層管理人員完全不能比擬時 遑論欲留住一流的人才在公務系統裡替全體國人規劃未來發展? 新加坡的政府景氣好時敢大幅加薪 2007年開始討論下一代的政務官要如何產生(以35歲一代的年齡層來規劃培養) 2009景氣不佳高級公務員立刻減薪 因為政府的績效沒有以往優越 這些 怕都是我們做不到的 或是礙于種種鈍重性而無法達成 台灣永遠不缺議題 但是一直沒能達成結論 所謂的民主成果 真的不能是只有政黨輪替而已 現在蘿蔔蹲都蹲完了 下次換誰?
好像吐了很多口水 當然新加坡也不是樣樣都很好 見贒尤不能思齊...
2009-02-25 @ 10:54
迴響 from: 跑步者 [訪問者]
看這篇文章前
我考完多益
分數雖然有達到老師要的標準
但我知道我還不夠強
加油囉
2009-02-25 @ 10:55
迴響 from: 我要抗議啦 [訪問者]
*****
看到獎品這麼豐富 就算是這麼沉重的文…留言回覆的人一定是要創新高的 我是一個急性子的人 但是多年處事經驗讓我知道越是急的時候 動作及思慮越是要放緩 不然急就章的情況很容易幹下蠢事或是無法挽回的事情 這個拯救人力銀行就業方案就是慌張下的產物 用不著朱大的說明.光是聽投入與產出的比例就知道這是一個賠錢的買賣 偏偏還有臉寫出來..算了算經濟風暴以來到底出檯了多少拯救財團經濟及胡搞瞎搞有利民生消費的方案就知道政府有多慌張了
2009-02-25 @ 10:59
迴響 from: ruaypalm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ruaypalm
有學歷,有證照又怎樣
跟面試者落落長的說了一堆後
面試者冷冷的說了一句
『你有經驗嗎????』
『.............』
『再連絡』
....................
....................
2009-02-25 @ 11:01
迴響 from: 賢哥 [訪問者]
當全世界都在學中文的時候,我們下一代也拼命的在學外文,但難過的是,中文也沒學好.......
2009-02-25 @ 11:02
迴響 from: Arthos [訪問者]
我真的不明白,
砸錢跟拯救失業與經濟有何相關?
這些案子的CP值都太低了吧!

難道 官員都不唸經統或管理的嗎?
就算不唸 好歹也要會加減乘除啊!

未來 官員任用標準中 應該要附一項---
"國中數學及格"的條件才對!!!!
2009-02-25 @ 11:08
迴響 from: Cy Young Chaos [訪問者]
冰凍三尺,非一日之寒
國內的畢業生不是只有單純英文不好而已,
連中文的表達能力也不見得可以靈活運用,
在大學的專業學科不管是原文或中文,有多少學生是願意附出心力去理解的,當年在下讀書時也只願附出心力在某些學科而已,但至少仍有自覺知道競爭力不足。
但現在的學生呢?會感到自己的競爭力是否足夠嗎?
很多事情不能光靠政府"消化預算"式的計畫,而是要自己願意放下身段去學習才有用,今天不是說碩士,博士找不到工作才是問題,而是願不願意做別人眼中的苦工才是問題,現在不是30年前努力就有成果的年代,卻是一個不努力鐵定沒成果的時代;錢多事少離家近這等好事已不多,除了祖上有德留筆橫財或是有個企業以可以罩子孫的,其他人等只能努力避免被淘汱(以前是努力換取成功)不然就是依靠不切實際的機運看可不可以中樂透。
總歸,事在人為,想有工作做,就要願意付出,而不是等政府出手,不是只看別人的成功就好高鶩遠作白日夢;唯有自助,才會人助,才會天助。因此,不止大學畢業生不用救,所有人都不用救,願意自救的,才能得到其應有的幫忙,不是任由企業不用35歲以上的人,想工作的人應得到其工作權,至於那些不付出(只想領薪水不作事的),等別人幫的(連工作都懶得找的),就讓他們自生自滅吧。

ps.我果然是個惡魔
2009-02-25 @ 11:10
迴響 from: edwardbee [訪問者]
*****
 在職場數年下來,深知制衡力量的重要性(也就是說比起國父的五權分立共生共榮的理想主義,美國的三權分立的制衡論調才是現實社會的王道),沒有制衡的力量,再完美的人都會出現盲點,更何況這世界沒有所謂完美的人。
 我是個市井小民,沒辦法看的清龐大的政府體系的整體考量,但我只希望政府如果夠有誠意想好好執政,那如朱大所處的這種委員會能多多存在,且能實際的給予政策規劃的單位一些平衡式的意見,好讓這些不管是有誠意還是只是想達到業績還是想畫眾取寵的單位能夠聽到他們沒想到的層面(或是想到但不願面對),然後把錢花在該花的地方。
2009-02-25 @ 11:17
迴響 from: 夏夜 [訪問者]
***--
之前就說過了, 政府目前的重要工作
就是綁樁啦~

反正大安區一樣會選出泛藍政客
整個北部就像個大安區
而台北觀點, 自然就代表台灣觀點~

看久了, 目光自然如了~
管他的, 反正我就是愛國民黨, 科科科

消費卷第二波發放, 也"蓄勢""待發"了~
用一次大絕也不過800多億而己, 其他小錢會在乎嗎?

公務員只乎預算有沒有按照公文規定用完
成果成效如何, 是不會在意的!
更何況又不是扁在執政, 你沒瞧見現在都沒燒炭新聞了嗎? 倒是熊貓怎麼睡覺比較重要~
2009-02-25 @ 11:23
迴響 from: edwardbee [訪問者]
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 BTW, 要消除舊包袱就得面對既得利益者,擺不平既得利益者施政滿意度就會下降,施政滿意度下降選票可能就不夠,所以我是能夠理解有很多事情不是一朝一夕能扭轉的。
 但是,一個憂國憂民、想好好做事、充滿誠意的政府,就不應該再繼續製造包袱,讓包袱(債務、問題政策、環境限制)這種東西越累積越多誰都會,但要把國力越累積越強(外匯存底、國民競爭力、教育體制)才是大家想要的。
2009-02-25 @ 11:25
迴響 from: Eddy [訪問者] · http://blog.pixnet.net/eddyshieh
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語言的重要性
在於夠用就好了
不然
你現在是在台灣
又不是在usa
路旁的阿婆是跟你講台語
也不是講英文
2009-02-25 @ 11:43
迴響 from: gavinx2 [訪問者]
終於看完,只能說還蠻無奈的~唉!
2009-02-25 @ 11:51
迴響 from: kurt [訪問者]
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總之我給自己的原則就是反求諸己,不忘初衷,自己能力夠不夠,學英文到底是為了誰為了什麼?我要抽書!!!XD
2009-02-25 @ 11:53
迴響 from: susweet [訪問者] · http://sunsweet.pixnet.net/blog
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我同意你的想法
如果是我年輕時,我不會參加英檢,
因為我相信我的經歷一定可說服人,我的英文不差,
我很贊成與MIT合作的想法而且最好一次簽個20-50年合約,以免景氣好時,MIT落跑.
教育為百年樹人之崇高志業,非小鼻子小眼睛政客所了解,列出與MIT合作優點
1.提升國家形象(政府平時發了多少錢)
2.增加台灣產品形象,廣告可打"MIT=MIT"
3.提升研究素質
4.培養下一代的創業家,發明家
2009-02-25 @ 11:53
迴響 from: 彌 [訪問者]
據說...某個北部港口招募 堆高機駕駛 也是要求要通過 全民英檢初級 ......
2009-02-25 @ 11:57
迴響 from: rainy [訪問者]
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壹年過去之後,還有幾個壹年去消耗呢?佔個臨時缺,每天呆在辦公室裡面吹冷氣上網,只是把自己競爭力消磨掉而已,難道明年再等等看短期就業方案嗎?
2009-02-25 @ 11:58
迴響 from: Woody [訪問者]
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首次留言
整篇看完就是"基本心態"問題
參加過政府專案,基本上是所有專案會計主導,不是業務主導,只要能核銷,就算花錢買臭鼬都會被編列出來

這是不求有功但求無過的官僚心理阿

英文能力,其實回歸市場機制,有需要的自然會加強,只是台灣的大學生比較受保護,像是越南的台商請一個會講中文+國貿科系+英文能力佳+副修會計的越南大學畢業生,每個月不用一萬台票,台商怎麼會想要請台灣的大學生來工作?

台灣的大學是比誰比較會考試,不是培育職場人才的地方
2009-02-25 @ 12:01
迴響 from: 呼拉圈 [訪問者]
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農委會的計畫書看起來像是把上位計畫拿來抄一抄,再加上『短期』兩個字,所以包山包海什麼事都寫到了。

各單位的計畫書的確是蠻趕的,基層作業時間不到一個禮拜,不過因為只能聘用一年,而且為達績效恐怕不能太挑人,所以要搞出什麼大事業來是不可能的,像我們是找些人來做資料建置跟文獻整理,一方面容易管控進度,一方面也有實益。小弟覺得這東西其實像替代役一樣,食之無味又棄之可惜,萬一遇到奧客就等著銼屎。

關於薪水,教育部規定,為符合公平正義原則,依標準薪資打85折,大專實領22.5K(含勞健保26K),碩士實領26.5K(含勞健保30.5K),博士含勞健保46.7K,而我們預計採用『個人承攬』方式辦理,所以沒有被派遣公司抽頭的問題(不過多了很多其他的問題啊~~~/a 大哭跑走)

回頭看看中國的擴大內需,不過是把原訂要執行的預算提前執行,而可以迅速決策的原因在於事先有長期規劃(目前好像是第11個五年計畫吧),但台灣最根本的原因在於沒有針對全國的發展做長期規劃。除此,金融海嘯發生至今,官員們還是一直粉飾太平,一直美化數字,一直不肯面對『未來真的會很糟糕』這件事實,所以無法針對『很糟糕的未來』擬定具體的因應策略。

如果把安定就業(就是上述這個很瞎的計畫)的經費,以半年或一年為期進行縝密的規劃,那至少一年後我們就有辦法把錢花在刀口上,而不是每季都對民眾說『由於經濟局勢預測錯誤,經濟復甦必須延到下一季』,然後一直請臨時工到公園撿菸蒂這樣。
2009-02-25 @ 12:04
我還記得我的前一分工作,只是跟老外設備技師比手畫腳一下,全公司就都認為我會英文,也開始得到重用(下場就是爆肝),
我才開始努力的去進修英文。
2009-02-25 @ 12:15
迴響 from: s05064 [訪問者]
我的看法是政府一直以來都沒有弄清問題是什麼,況且台灣人有種強烈的逃避跟不合理寬容心理,以致只有有人敢開罵,就會人去收爛攤,而這個收拾的人也不做功課,只是想讓問題趕快過去,不要再被罵了~~~就這樣,大家都在圈圈裡面繞,弱者永遠沒有看到、學到翻身的契機,而強者因思考與觀點不同,早就不知跑那去了~~~~

我要抽異數!
2009-02-25 @ 12:17
迴響 from: ICE [訪問者]
to 阿宅28號
你永遠只會是機台操作員的level
2009-02-25 @ 12:26
迴響 from: DFY [訪問者]
"古人"說:「盡信書不如無書」。

而"古人"這傢伙一定是看完許多書了才說這句話。

而大聲說"英文不重要的",一定是英文已經好到某種程度了,才敢言。


總之,我還是要抽書。
2009-02-25 @ 12:31
迴響 from: Frog [訪問者]
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原來我領的不是園區薪水....
2009-02-25 @ 12:36
迴響 from: visiteur [訪問者]
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首先一定要提一下,遊戲橘子右邊那個女生好漂亮阿!!事務所可以提供她的部落格嗎?

咳,再來就是就業問題了。我只能說企業那方面的心態也差不了多少。看過某些公司的徵人條件是"無進修計畫";只用派遣也是差不多的心態。就是能操、不會跑掉就好,當然自己也要進修不足的地方。像我之前待的公司也說人事凍結,不過一個UCLA經濟系畢業GPA 4.0的人過來還不是生一個正職缺給她。╮(′~‵〞)╭
遇到這種人真的要很努力很努力才能搶(??)到她的位置吧。
說到底還是自己要上進沒錯,但是比較麻煩的是在政府、奴隸銀行、業界三方夾殺之下勞方狀態跟心情都不是太理想。這樣的狀況造成一個很可怕的連鎖,只有強者才能擺脫的連鎖。

結論???不夠強運的話還是好好進修吧....
2009-02-25 @ 12:44
迴響 from: 小浮塵 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/sunnyhsia
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遙想多年前念研究所時當大學部助教,
當時要求學弟妹交報告必須按規定格式列印才收,
結果被連署要求罷免…原因是大家都拖到最後一天才去電腦教室排隊列印Qrz

多年後我在職場聘用一位履歷記載有5年工作經驗的大學畢業生,交出來的工作報告卻讓我感覺像剛畢業…先別說英文程度如何,連中文都經常會打錯字…我很懷疑對方到底是因為注音輸入法不小心,還是根本不認為那是錯字?

2009-02-25 @ 12:57
迴響 from: RR [訪問者] · http://roseroo.spaces.live.com/
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好沉重的一篇文章
政府部分,我覺得要去美化數字已經變成一種不得不的行為了。看台下可是有些人磨刀霍霍就等著找理由修理你...戰力可強了,三四個人就可以癱瘓議會。

BTW...
>趁著這波金融危機,趁著連麻省理工都很好講話的這個時刻,
>真正開啟大型的合作計畫,真正引進大量的研究資源和所謂的核心關鍵技術,
>也許這是一個機會。

上次朱大寫的關於塗鴉的文章,我已經轉給北市府。
這篇文,各位阿宅們認為熱血應該往哪邊燒?
2009-02-25 @ 13:01
迴響 from: 無薪男 [訪問者]
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留言抽書 ya
語言是個工具,很多時候要用到時才發現都沒學好Orz
2009-02-25 @ 13:06
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
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逢低買進嘛?
2009-02-25 @ 13:13
迴響 from: 芝萁 [訪問者]
閱畢。
2009-02-25 @ 13:22
迴響 from: Sasha [訪問者]
英文教育的面向很廣,我一向感佩Oops計劃主持人的精神,但也要在此替從事英教工作的人背書,
你們不是oops(口語)
2009-02-25 @ 13:22
迴響 from: leoliao [訪問者] · http://www.yvtc.gov.tw/info.php
--但感謝上天,至少這個計畫沒有過關,沒有拿我們繳的稅去買不太需要的LCD。

如果花國家錢的人都會這樣想就好了.

其實我曾經接受過青輔會的職業訓練.
受訓不用錢!
當時深深感謝國家有這個德政呀~
所以我都不好意思逃稅~但也沒有繳很多就是了...
2009-02-25 @ 13:27
迴響 from: azheng [訪問者]
還是要有點誘因,才會刺激大家學習吧,語言只是一種工具去幫助你學習更多元的知識,這樣規定一個門檻...好像不是一種好的做法
2009-02-25 @ 13:38
迴響 from: 阿帕 [訪問者]
我做人派業的,公家機關的人派案有3%利潤我們就偷笑了,三成我看不是跟要派企業拆帳,而是跟官員拆吧。
2009-02-25 @ 13:42
迴響 from: 陸仁賈 [訪問者]
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朱大後面那個人一臉不爽的樣子, 不知道是被檔到不爽, 還是沒和正妹合照到不爽....
2009-02-25 @ 13:47
迴響 from: 小PP [訪問者]
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朱大那張跟正妹合照的照片嘴角微微下彎
是妹不夠正還是因為你避暑?
我想,除了英語能力與能力不成正比之外
小弟的公司更多是學歷與能力不成正比的人
會唸書不一定會做事啦...
偏偏我又是那個不會唸書只會把工作做好的人
難道說這就是林新......= =!
2009-02-25 @ 13:48
迴響 from: 老彼得 [訪問者] Email
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我想語言是很重要的工具,但是也是對於外國語言的理解和掌握還是會有差距的。我在美國遊學了幾年,語言上雖然有進步。但是在靈活運用和有效的表達上還是有侷限的。就算是身為理科男,對專有名詞的掌握有一定的了解。和要組織出一篇優秀的學術文章還有是有距離的。

而且即使是出國留學的碩士生,兩年之內也只是訓練的不怕英文,而很少真正在語言上有長足的進步。(除非自己有認真下功夫)

書唸了很久。但是我發現能夠很有效的傳達自己的意見給別人輕易的了解,並不是一件容易的事情。但是基本上還是要從基本的母語開始做起。如果國文作文都寫不好的,英文作文也不可能寫得好。

當企業在徵才的時候,要求的到底是需要讀?還是讀和寫都需要?這也是不一樣的。好險我公司的老闆以實際的測試來看我的英文程度,不然我也沒有英檢成績可以給他們參考啊~ 真正要邁向職場的時候,是真正了解自己有多少實力和有哪裡有不足需要加強的時候!心態的調整才是進步的關鍵!

政府用政策美化了失業率,但是人員的素質並沒有真正提升。急就章的預算編列看起來洋洋灑灑的會提供很多機會,但是能夠達成多少效果咧?真的很令人質疑啊~

ps.不過我怎麼覺得我的薪水怎麼沒有那麼高~ 難道我也該回頭搶他們的頭路嗎?
2009-02-25 @ 13:57
迴響 from: pioneersu [訪問者]
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新加坡真的是很有遠見的一個國家&城市!值得借鏡!此外,研究案這樣的東西...當然不可否認對國家人才培育以及科學發展有所助益,但是某些經費常常也是被浪費掉的說~最後,謝謝朱老大能分享這樣的訊息!
2009-02-25 @ 14:04
迴響 from: 小怪獸 [訪問者]
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我要寫信給馬英九 叫他偉大的閣員來看朱阿宅的文章!
2009-02-25 @ 14:06
迴響 from: Wei [訪問者]
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看了就很無言
我們國家的高知識份子
就這樣浪費我們的稅金
政府也拼命在耗盡國庫
真是慘兮兮的國家
2009-02-25 @ 14:16
迴響 from: Punjt [訪問者]
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老是想著錢砸出去就有成果,倒是沒想想怎麼用最有效率。我還觀望著五年五百億能不能衝出一個百大的大學呢。
2009-02-25 @ 14:19
迴響 from: 大頭さん [訪問者]
我只相信物競天擇適者生存,
該被淘汰的大學生就讓它淘汰吧。
2009-02-25 @ 14:19
迴響 from: Daniel [訪問者]
培養學生獨立思考 提升危機意識 了解自己的競爭力 或許是學校該做的事
2009-02-25 @ 14:27
迴響 from: GM [訪問者] · http://www.pixnet.net/gm911
哀~ 實際意義微弱的灑錢方案不只這一遭啊,史上最強之國家債製造政府...
2009-02-25 @ 14:34
迴響 from: Siva [訪問者]
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不知道朱大演講行程,有無夜間或者假日的啊?
白天都要上班,都沒有機會親耳聽到您精闢的見解...
2009-02-25 @ 14:49
迴響 from: character [訪問者]
大學生不需要被拯救,需要被踐踏。
解決大學生的問題,我認為最方便又最有效的,是加強現有的高職比例,並砍掉幾十個大學。

語文能力是重要,我期望考高中的基測,國文方便取消選擇題,全部以作文代替。

朱大三月要來嘉義耶,要請假去嗎?﹝煩惱中﹞
2009-02-25 @ 14:49
迴響 from: Britishsun [訪問者]
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朱大這篇實在是太中肯了!!!
感覺有時候真的搞不懂政府這種頭痛醫頭 腳痛醫腳的辦法

之前山服社上山去照顧山地的小朋友
他們英文其實沒有想像中差耶 基本的單字造句都會
只不過他們其實蠻討厭學英文的
因為對他們來說 完全不知道學這個要做什麼用
我覺得英文還是要教啦 只是與其用填鴨式的去教 不如想辦法引起他們的興趣 比較重要

畢竟等到進了職場才發現自己的不足 要再學就很難了
2009-02-25 @ 14:57
迴響 from: hikari [訪問者] · http://eibsee.blogspot.com
想要讀「異數」

未來在哪裡?
國家的錢都亂花無怪乎人人搶當公務員。
2009-02-25 @ 14:58
迴響 from: ladyous [訪問者] Email · http://ladyous.blogspot.com/
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每次看到台灣教育與政治
就是無奈啊
沒想到我也從熱血青年
現在只會長噓短嘆
能掙口飯吃就偷笑了

有空倒是還滿想試試回去念書的
這點倒是中肯
2009-02-25 @ 15:24
迴響 from: cousinanson [訪問者] · http://www.tide.com.tw
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忽然發現
原來能看看三國演義、聊齋、
是很酷的一件事耶

繁體、簡體我是覺得沒什麼差
至少現在比較有看頭的歷史著作
都是簡體的啦
2009-02-25 @ 15:50
迴響 from: 宅爸 [訪問者]
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這些官員腦袋裝屎阿,教育本就要以長遠的規劃,這樣急就章的方式,還不如抽700大專生,每個人給五十萬還比較乾脆。
2009-02-25 @ 15:53
迴響 from: uu [訪問者]
第一次看網誌這麼痛苦的
圖真的大到想殺人了

話說,阿同伯這個時間正在本公司演講大量閱讀的重要性
我好像應該要去聽才對
怎麼還坐在這邊看大圖呢


Lucifer:麻煩打聽一下阿同伯演講費,我很想要知道~~~
2009-02-25 @ 15:54
迴響 from: 宅男子 [訪問者]
*----
政府這類的政策層出不窮
老實說
沒有一個政府官員認為自己執行的政策是愚政
反正再怎麼蠢
都會有人歌頌
都會有漂亮的數字佐證
不知道何時才會能被聽到真正的聲音
朱大快創立阿宅獨立國啦
2009-02-25 @ 16:09
迴響 from: PaTrick [訪問者]
看完了
英檢看來不是最大的重點
重點是自發性的學習能力吧
很多時候都得用到時候才知道
還是平時多看看未來可能需要什麼
多朝自己想要的方面多學習學習才可以
2009-02-25 @ 16:14
迴響 from: michael [訪問者]
「產學聯合研發計畫」...寫那方案的說不定全部都用抄的...只是換個名稱..這樣....
2009-02-25 @ 16:21
迴響 from: Lindy.Lin [訪問者]
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  嘛,說到這個大學,總是學生嫌老師混、老師嫌學生沒程度;學校嫌政府不支持、政府嫌學校太浪費;人民嫌官員尸位素餐、官員嫌人民無腦聲音大。(扯遠了)
  看到那個產學合作案,我在想這樣的研究是能跑多遠,為了產業利益還不是做短期內能拿來賣的東西。

  話可以扯很遠,做事都只能看現在。

  是啊我也是為了抽獎來留言,然後我家娘親總說我沒偏財運真討厭。(掩)
2009-02-25 @ 17:08
迴響 from: kiwi [訪問者]
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難得一見的認真文必須迴響一下。

依照這個趨勢,假以時日(成語,對不起我思想懶惰了) 對學生來說能夠讀寫英文也變成很酷的事情了。
2009-02-25 @ 17:25
迴響 from: iamnotgm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/iamnotgm
*****
看完全文包括回應花了我快一小時Orz

每次看到這樣的不景氣的消息
我總是會想到火鳳燎原裡面的某一幕
董卓騎著車壓過朝廷百官身上
地上滿滿是他們流的血的畫面

我總是在想
這個時間點是需要這個世界
把這樣的污血清除掉的時候了吧
雖然我可能也是該被清掉的存在之一 (苦笑)
2009-02-25 @ 17:31
迴響 from: 9527 [訪問者]
圖太大了。。。朱大一定要這麼任性嗎?

看完本文然後又看到這則新聞 http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/090224/17/1f0hp.html
真的覺得該移民了,以後這些人有能力繳稅支付我們的年金嗎?
2009-02-25 @ 17:33
迴響 from: Al [訪問者]
大學生
有濫竽充數的,宅科科的,
有好命無後顧之憂的,歹命要賺學費的
有呆呆認為科學研究可以救世界的, 也有僅僅下半身進到大學到處採花的, 把握機會跳板到外國的
有好人,有孝子,有社交花蝴蝶,有天縱奇才,有庸才蠢材,也有平平凡凡又不知所措的慘綠少年

還記得當初拿獎學金入學時, 就是被嚇說
看你左邊, 再看你右邊,還有你自己, 3人中只有1人會畢業,其他2個在4年中就會再見. 沒想到是真的, 一開始自己也差點失足. 沒有補習班, 沒有參考書,沒有家庭照護,只有助教,只有課本, 只有自己與同學, 朋友與室友, 或許還有網友. 要尋找宇宙真理,要研究的路本來就很寂寥枯燥. 所以每次看電視都不了解為什麼大學這麼便宜,社會對大學生這麼慷慨,為什麼最後浪費時間浪費資源,碩士身分只是用來篩選大學生,而不是培養台灣國際學術人才

能讀該讀會讀的讀不了
亂讀不讀招搖撞騙的賴著不動
台灣有許多可能性,自己卻浪費掉,內鬥掉,消耗掉.
英文基於國文, GRE分辨不清楚的字換成中文一樣不清楚, 先要有根才有花朵.到一定程度後,就是自己努力的問題, 就如同世界上許多事情一樣

政府花錢不是不好, 只是它沒有整體前瞻性地亂花,800億的大絕一直發, 自己失血等下就被別人TKO都沒發現

還能說什麼呢, 只能說 天佑台灣,天佑宅宅

還有3月17的Project10to100希望有人可以救地球

我要抽 "神火之賊"
"異數"感覺太牽強的事後諸葛了
Plurk我也聽說不錯玩
2009-02-25 @ 17:37
迴響 from: 伊凡斯 [訪問者]
現在的政策看起來就跟華爾街那些所謂的分析師,理專,精算師一樣,一切為的就是做數字操控,以為將數字調的好看就解決問題了
2009-02-25 @ 17:51
迴響 from: T [訪問者]
***--
我的想法有兩方面:
1. 剛出社會, 對大多數的人來說薪資酬勞是第一考量, 一畢業就有一屁股的助學貸款, 為錢找工作是人之常情

工作一兩年後, 慢慢了解自己的性向與職業生涯規畫, 有的人就會繼續進修或摸索向自己的目標前進; 有的人就在那一個月多一兩萬塊錢的工作裡輾轉流連

長期看來, 社會這個機制已有了第一次的人才篩撿

2. 人才培訓如果只靠政府或教育體系, 本來就會有供需斷層....公共部門與私人企業營運的機制不同, 想法與做法自然不一樣

台灣的企業何嘗不狹隘短視?! 客戶下單多就多請些人, 銀行要賺錢就多找些理財專員
一兩年沒賺錢就改變方向, 我也沒聽說哪家公司有培養誰來從事永續經營的事業.....除非你是企業家第二代之類的

結論: 這是個全球化世界, 競爭來自各方
同樣的, 機會也來自各地. 人才也是資源的一種, 在全球少子與人口老化的社會結構下, 怎麼讓自己變成人才才是王道吧!
2009-02-25 @ 18:02
迴響 from: 不知 [訪問者]
*****
有種很傷痛的感覺...

說不出來倒底是為什麼...

2009-02-25 @ 18:20
迴響 from: aiueo [訪問者]
我覺得只要把公務人員薪水分1/2...就能多2倍工作名額
薪水1/3...就能多養3倍
還能長期.
應該不錯.也不用多花錢.
2009-02-25 @ 19:07
迴響 from: ckkc [訪問者]
現在想想,我們習以為常的文字其實並不尋常呢
更何況中文是全世界碩果僅存的圖像文字,其它國都是拼音文字啊
流傳這麼久又那麼罕有,真是該好好珍惜


抽書抽書!太棒了!
2009-02-25 @ 19:27
迴響 from: 乾肝幹 [訪問者]
*****
之前的博士學長因為公司裁員所以回學校去蹲博士後,我覺得其實博士後是一個非常不錯的制度,一方面可以養高階人才(跟他的家人),一方面可以讓高階人才不間斷地貢獻所長給國家,這或許很符合朱大的想法只可惜目前資格限博士而且如果不善加管制的話容易被濫用。如果今天將預算給學校讓畢業生可以先不離開學校而以碩士後或學士後的身分參予研究,一方面教授可以不用再感嘆大型計畫人力不足,一方面也可以養活這些人。
2009-02-25 @ 19:28
迴響 from: Star [訪問者]
*****
很多不管是在學術界或政治圈的,
往往都嘛只是頂著高學歷,
然而事實上所作所為根本一點都沾不上所謂真正的知識份子嘛。
2009-02-25 @ 19:44
迴響 from: 我想抽異數 [訪問者]
*****
台灣的人力銀行本來就跟一般人想的不一樣

友A向我抱怨他在查號台銀行投遞履歷都沒回應
或是投了履歷
公司卻回應沒有適合他的職缺
可是他卻不斷在查號台銀行看到徵求相關職缺的訊息

台灣的人力銀行並不是求職者的靠山
重點不在能為求職者爭取多少
而在人力銀行的員工能拉到多少CASE
這份職缺能從公司抽到幾成
人力銀行的員工只是變相的業務

台灣的企業大多數也不在乎人才培育與教育訓練
畢竟多花的時間就是成本
早就已經不知道聽過多少次
公司要求求職者無給薪的職前訓練
訓練完卻又說資格不符的事情
(當然我相信這只是少數企業)

總之在這波經濟不景氣下
人力銀行的剝削只會變本加厲
他們只會不斷灌輸求職者工作有多難找
有工作就要偷笑
無薪假也"應該自動到公司加班"這種吃人不吐骨頭的想法

但是求職者在沒有背景沒有社會經驗
以及新聞不斷推波助瀾的影響下
只好不斷犧牲自己的權益
求一個能溫飽的工作


我想抽異數~~~~~XD
2009-02-25 @ 19:48
迴響 from: Naga [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/nagashodow
****-
我個人還滿討厭英檢的。

英檢的效力比不上托福或多益,但是價格高昂,我不記得我國中的時候考有那麼貴。那時候初級的初複試一共應該是800出頭,但是不久前去看,已經漲到一共要1100左右了。

我真的不知道他們漲什麼意思!

蔬菜水果可以因為颱風漲價,石油可以因為短缺而漲價,但是我不要看到一群吃得腦滿腸肥的專家嫌錢不夠多而漲價!!

那這不就表示,窮人家的小孩就沒有考試的權利了?
2009-02-25 @ 19:51
迴響 from: chieh [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
看完之後,小弟感觸很深啊
小弟現在就讀的學校,其實算是技職體系中
地位較尷尬的
因為她不算頂尖、卻也距離爛透了還有一大段距離
(起碼跟118比起來是差了一點)
想知道事實嗎?
從我們學校每年量產將近1000名護理人員
約一百名的企管人、及財稅、生技、老人照護等等的人才
但是我要告訴各位,這些人通過英檢初級的比例
連應外系一起算進來,大概是一成左右
也許應付內需沒有問題,但是如果要面對外來競爭
連小弟本身都沒有把握能夠緩慢的跟老外對談
用寫的文法也是該死的亂七八糟
但是小弟卻有英檢中級檢定合格
語言這件事其實靠撿定是考不出實際狀況的
但他起碼是個指標,過濾掉連要砍掉重練
DELETE還不見得按得出來的人
而這就是競爭門檻的依據
是好是壞,其實我也沒有資格評論

朱大所言,其實早就是不能輸的祕密了吧
小弟有幸,父執輩中不少教授級的長輩
他們在瘋言就是真心對於知識的推進奮鬥
但聽長輩言,即便在南部著名醫學中心
為了經費而亂寫計畫申請補助的人,在所多有
也有為了利益幫廠商寫友立論文的
更有假產學合作之名,行自肥之實的
而這些人往往提出看似可行的計畫
左右我們政府的政策

不論是哪個政黨執政,都一樣
如果在台北國的官員們,在下決定前
願意脫去西裝、擺脫隨扈悄悄下鄉來看一遍
就會知道,失業率絕對高於帳面數字
就會知道,不只是高等教育,連普通教育都在崩解
就會知道,物價該死的降部下來的原因
就會知道,有多少悲劇是新聞不會報,但真在一次次上演
就會知道,有多少辛酸被掩蓋在漂亮的數字中
......

寫不下去了,等一下還要為了理想趕製企劃書
胡言亂語,望各位誤見怪

2009-02-25 @ 20:08
迴響 from: 陳露西 [訪問者]
我支持應該要把精神花在研發跟教育上的,不是現在這樣的多開的教育,是增加硬底子有實力的人才的那種;畢竟,人才是立國之本。
關於英文與我,記得高中的英文課文很蠢,所以我基本上沒打開幾次(厭惡狀);英文程度是大學的時候自己想學想看小說什麼的稍為累積一點起來的;後來進了科技業,往來的信件幾乎都是寫英文,看來蠢,不過的確轉信誰也不知道會不會轉到美國法國還印度的,統一語言就不用浪費時間翻譯,這點我還蠻喜歡的XD
嗯,其實個人是同意多少要會一點英文啦,不過重點不是在於英文本身,重點應該是用英文乘載的訊息上,學英文,是因為想多開那扇窗呀;廣而言之,不同的語言多會一點也都不錯呀(笑)
2009-02-25 @ 20:22
迴響 from: 亞伯山姆 [訪問者]
不才小弟的家父是對就業政策有影響力的人(其實他是幕僚,決策還是在老闆),我會把這篇文章轉給他看,只是,我可能得編輯過以後在轉,不然他應該會看得很辛苦。

之前在別的網頁上也看到類似的文,

短期促進就業措施是什麼
http://leplab.blogspot.com/2009/02/blog-post_16.html
我把那一篇轉給我爸看,似乎效果不彰...

所以雖然立意良好,但對決策的人而言,要調整並不是麼的容易。

(我來抽書的)

(Lucifer:其實搞不好伯父也喜歡看爆乳妹的~~
2009-02-25 @ 20:29
迴響 from: 卡倫斯 [訪問者]
*****
喔喔喔...
好想聽建良兄爆料喔~~~

迪士尼 想找我們不成,轉去香港蓋
MIT 出不起六千萬,轉找新加大遠距教學
法國要送全世界第六個Guimard地鐵入口給台北捷運,但遭捷運局拒收!

小小的台灣,還要捐多少錢給不知名國家換得邦交?
小小的台灣,還要放棄多少可以走出去的國際機會?

sigh...

BTW, 1萬小時別忘了! (用力推)  
2009-02-25 @ 20:33
迴響 from: Obty [訪問者]
*****
說真的!
寫的真的好
政府真的只會花錢
但卻很少花在刀口上
2009-02-25 @ 20:43
迴響 from: 恨 [訪問者]
我只是想上來留個言

吱吱~
2009-02-25 @ 21:00
迴響 from: Marco.co [訪問者]
***--
感激分享

最近沒在工作了 都在看書

抽抽

[異數]

^_^
2009-02-25 @ 21:20
迴響 from: 便當 [訪問者]
委員?
朱大是什麼委員
有紅包收嗎
2009-02-25 @ 21:33
迴響 from: phc [訪問者]
原本以為之前看到的短期就業計畫之一 (請大學生去撿狗大便)就已經是最糟糕的情況
沒想到還有這種三成"爆利計畫"
真是既誇張又愚蠢
回想起公司為了出版企劃案卻四處碰壁
而這種鳥案子政府卻砸下大錢
真是心寒~
ps.說到LCD,我的大學校門口附近也有一個,而且是放個假回來後冒出來的,突然想到難道也是某個計畫亂花錢的關係嗎?
2009-02-25 @ 21:46
迴響 from: r2qo [訪問者]
我覺得重點還是要真正懂得自己到底學到了什麼吧。

雖然目前是個介於大學和高中的人,但是我相信有些同時期的人還是不懂自己到底三年學了什麼。
話說回來還是要自動自發,而不是為了成績或PASS而努力,應該是要思考是否畢業後還記得到底學了什麼、到底能不能應用到目前所遇到的狀況。

我真的很討厭追求成績。
2009-02-25 @ 22:00
迴響 from: 秋名山之恥 [訪問者]
*****
我朋友也說要趁現在撈一些"便宜的優秀人才"進公司...不知道該喜還是該憂...
不過就政府政策來講是個大好機會就是了...
2009-02-25 @ 22:24
迴響 from: 大話夢想家 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/JShan
老師家人老闆都說英文很重要, 可是平常根本用不到~ 和朋友聊天扯淡根本不會用英文,上班也是講公事時學霹靂火那樣一句中文裡插幾句英文,寫公文寫E-Mail都要用英文,明明寄件者和收件者都是台灣人,如果不是天天講,學半天也是馬上忘.. 話說政府的企劃案都像是臨時想的,花錢都沒在計算開銷的樣子 =.= (花很大~ 花不用錢~ ) 不過這樣我就會去想爭取那個短期超高薪,比起現在每家公司所提出來的二萬二到快三萬之間的薪水高很多!
2009-02-25 @ 23:01
迴響 from: licia [訪問者]
那個文創LCD很....XD
竟然還有抽書這種好康!XD

感謝你幫我們讀懂很難懂的消息.
根據你幫忙整理的重點想想~

1.能力來自於磨練

這我也認同,但這也意味者教育出了嚴重的問題.這關鍵教育政策如看待生命的態度.

個人在該念書的時候我不愛念書,因為不知為何而念,老師教的無聊我也啥都不懂不知要懂啥.即便打罵、考試,都很難讓我有任何動機,當時的興趣也不在學科範圍內.等到出社會才發現世界的廣闊,反而為了滿足好奇心與自我對工作龜毛的要求而念.

教育離現實太遙遠,如同你舉山上的兒童因為協助家計無法好好念書一樣的道理.有時做為職員都要想盡辦法讓老闆願意懂工作提案,教育何嘗不也該如此?
且要是教育無兼具啟發性與實用性,來滿足做為人對生命的期待,我也真不知能做啥.

以上,要是念書還要人逼,的確表示教育很無用,不如
直接上社會大學,然後把稅金退還人民....


2.政府就業計畫的敗筆

(1)人力銀行經費比例過大
看來市政府在做超越能力之事,是勉強生出來的計畫.乾脆開但書請人力銀行執行此專案,必須雇用失業人士如何?

雖然這案子本來就是餿主意~內需又不是假造來的,要是趁機提昇國內原有的弱項,倒還有機可趁.

(2)薪資大於市場水準
這要看工作內容價值是否與薪資相符,
另反對大拿納稅人的錢去創造假的就業機會.

3.善用低潮經濟價值
你提到新加坡的案例模式還不錯,況且目前的失業潮我隱約認為和研發能力與執行能力的銜接有關.案子經費從中提撥另案重新評估為佳~

4.其他
我一直覺得所謂的經濟危機是一種啟示,不在於拯救不拯救的問題,因為該倒的不倒留著就無循環可言.可能是人對生命價值判斷的方法是否正確的結果...還沒個頭緒就是了~

恩...循環....
2009-02-25 @ 23:02
迴響 from: 大豬豬 [訪問者]
雖然我也是公務體系的一份子,但我也承認政府很多時候花錢都沒有真正的對治問題,然而我也必需說,這不完全是公務人員的錯,因為民眾往往喜歡短期出現成效的東西,但對於需長期推動才能獲得重大效果的事物或政策,卻缺少多給一些支援與鼓勵,因此上位者為了在短期就能夠討好民眾,政策上往往就過於粗糙。所以我覺得一流的政府是建立在一流的國民之上,當大多數的國民都能認清真正對我們有利的政策,政府才能有效發揮作用,才不會把錢花在嘩眾取寵的事物上。(如小小的台灣,蓋了三個國際機場)。

也因為如此,我覺得朱大推廣知識中文化的作為非常好,如此知識的傳播就不會因為語言的隔閡,而只在少數人之間流傳,藉由把知識散播開來,才能有效提昇民眾水準,進一步把政府效能提高。
2009-02-25 @ 23:05
迴響 from: 拉歐 [訪問者]
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"我甚至希望有些取消學分比例不及格退學制的學校恢復這樣的要求。 不過,這是另外一回事了。"
可以請朱大談一下這另外一回事嗎?
2009-02-25 @ 23:15
迴響 from: J [訪問者]
我也要抽書.....

嗯,圖真的大到10分鐘還再跑同1張圖......= =+

是說
原來中級考過就可以直接準備高級了.....這讓才中高級初試通過的我感到十分慚愧......

又,幾乎所有人都勸我沒必要浪費那個時間和"金錢"去考複試,大家都說以後好好準備托福或多益比較實際.....
2009-02-25 @ 23:32
迴響 from: licia [訪問者]
另,"廉價人力"一詞指稱,看來表示不重要與不需要的工作人力....

to:大豬豬
責任是大家的,只是當政府代表人民行使權力時,要有專業能力顧及何謂全民真正的需要,而不是人云亦云啊!

比如:有人說貓懶因為全民叫好,所以絕對不是錯誤的政策.全民是誰?再來,官要是這麼簡單,誰都會做吧?!
2009-02-25 @ 23:44
迴響 from: 貴妃 [訪問者]
我選小馬的
說真的
它的政策真讓人失望
2009-02-25 @ 23:45
迴響 from: Brian [訪問者]
我也看過幾次關於外國人對於我們台灣人都看得懂幾千年前的文字覺得有些不可思議這樣的報導ㄟ..
朱大我一直想要看異數這本書啊~~~
2009-02-25 @ 23:52
迴響 from: me [訪問者]
抽抽看
2009-02-26 @ 00:31
迴響 from: 霹靂豬 [訪問者]
***--
上五專後才在讀國中的書
然後上二技後是在讀五專的書
上研究所後再來讀二技的書
台灣的教好像就是這樣
2009-02-26 @ 01:40
迴響 from: GCVincent [訪問者]
給覺得新加坡無限好的朋友參考一下
http://udn.com/NEWS/WORLD/WOR2/4744417.shtml

損失的部份按照今日匯率,大概可以給台灣發14次消費卷。(不含部長應該負責發錯遺失的部份)
家天下就是好,這麼大的事情都不用有人負責。
2009-02-26 @ 02:23
迴響 from: 我是大班 [訪問者]
別光推英檢...
也推個日檢吧...
在不然弄個中文檢定來去國外推好了....
2009-02-26 @ 02:42
迴響 from: lemon [訪問者]
**---
我一位剛被21的強者同學說:
高中敎的東西,大學只用得到一半。
大學學了那麼多,結果研究所大概還要再讀3/4。
等到出去找工作,又全部都要重學。

所以他打算隨便找一個一類組的混張簡單的文憑,考進研究所之後學他想學的東西,玩他想玩的領域。

我在這裡不勝唏噓,因為我也在班上排名一半之後。我喜歡的一兩科排名前在班上2%,但學校求的必修好幾個都再pass邊緣上下而已。
我不認為前面的同學--教育評分下所謂的"優秀人才"--真的去思考過知道自己在幹麻、要幹麻。沒錯他們在讀書,要讀好成績才可以申請上好的研究所,最好的人還可以出國留學補助喔~~然後咧?多少人不關心自己的生活環境?多少人不關心那些非知識分子族群的"無聲民眾"? 資工系那麼愛用電腦,連自己的電腦重了那麼多讀都不去清........這種感覺非常不平衡,就好像突然下政策支持棒球運動,全國體育課國中小全部一律上棒球課一樣,沒有投出100顆時速100km的球之前國小不能畢業這樣?!

總之我還不知道問題的解決方案再哪哩,只知道自己先摸索好道路,不能出局,不然連再這邊發言的機會也沒了...
2009-02-26 @ 03:30
迴響 from: 麥朗 [訪問者]
原來台灣政府也和香港政府一樣想法,以為只要花錢便能堵住大學生不滿的聲音。
大學生就業困難的話,那是考驗他們競爭力的時候,是誰說由大學出來便保證有好工作?
有政府打算幫忙補貼高中畢業生的工作嗎?要幫忙補貼在職老人的工作嗎?光是補貼便能令社會和諧、歌舞昇平嗎?
2009-02-26 @ 04:23
迴響 from: hiso [訪問者] · http://www.iamhiso.com
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以前去大陸玩,認識會說中文的韓國MM,才知道她們高中都要修選第2外語.聽了覺得不錯,台灣可以學學.只是看了大學生學英文的意願都那麼薄弱,叫他們學第2外語可能更慘,所以想了二個方案:

一是看外國偶像劇學外語,檢定通過的,可以參加偶像見面會之類的.學生一定很有動力學習.而且迷偶像的都比較凱一點,不太需要什麼學生補助,至於經費也可以找贊助,有時對那些公司反而是免費行銷,他們可以從周邊賺更多錢.

二是找一些國家合作,特別是排華的那些國家,像印尼,把學生送到那學外語,效果一定很好,因為一但被聽到說華語,知道是華人,很可能就是被x掉.

書你是一定要給我的啦,誰叫你還欠我一套書.
2009-02-26 @ 05:09
迴響 from: C.C [訪問者]
看完覺得好沉重阿.....
2009-02-26 @ 05:41
迴響 from: freeman [訪問者]
*****
最不該救地就是人力銀行,敗壞勞工權益的始做庸者....
2009-02-26 @ 06:55
迴響 from: Levi [訪問者]
想要抽異數!

看完了文章只有一個感想

那就是各司其職

簡單的說唸外文系的就要求他的語文能力

唸電機系的就要求他的專業知識及食務操作

而不是一眛的逼迫學生去學他們不擅長不喜歡的語言(語言只是溝通的工具)

另外政府的政策真的挺爛的 幾乎是在用金鋤頭挖坑再隨便埋幾個大學生下去(請原諒我的比喻)

最後的結果...很可能會爛掉 囧

以上 純屬牢騷

ps.我只想看異數!!

2009-02-26 @ 09:33
迴響 from: dave [訪問者]
等我們公司找到了"殺"妹妹~再找來朱大回來拍照啊~科科
2009-02-26 @ 09:48
迴響 from: ibruce [訪問者]
*****
最近朋友轉寄了一篇文章:「到波蘭念醫科,正夯!!!」今天又看到朱大這篇意義深遠的好文,真的感觸良多!

生命真的會為自己找到出路,如果有好的父母長輩(有錢有勢),就能找到更好的出路!

http://www.studyabroadmaster.com/med
歐盟醫學院,只要對醫學有興趣者就可申請;四年制、六年制醫學系,約10﹐000歐元/年,五年制牙醫學系,約12﹐000歐元/年,宿舍費用:大約2400歐元/年。

需不需要會英語或波蘭語呢?
「學生可以直接參加國際班就讀,不需要修波蘭語,上課全程以英語教學。」其實只要有錢繳學費就好,波蘭也不會讓這些人留在該國行醫。

http://www.csh.org.tw/job/97R_Name.asp
以後掛急診、欲生產或開刀的醫師,可都是"重金"禮聘的外國醫生,大家得放尊重點喔!


至於教育部的「培育優質人力促進就業計畫」就留給那些沒錢沒勢的大學生吧!



2009-02-26 @ 10:13
迴響 from: Jake [訪問者]
朱大的文章非常的棒,從”教育的未來”,
中學老師推薦我看我就知道了。
無論是科技或人文,朱大都非常關心。
嘻笑怒罵間傳播善知識,
簡直就是濟顛活佛再世。
痴痴傻傻心不狂,正妹穿身過;
哪有不平哪有他,他就是朱大。
人家修口不修心,我卻修心不修口,
專管人間不平事。

朱大此文超正~
天地不仁,以萬物為芻狗,才是真正的仁慈!
政府該多看看老子~或
表現猶太文化的 “三個麵包的啟示”
此文精神也可表達:
天行健,君子自強不息,才是王道。
(這不也是古中國精神內涵)

PS圖可不可以小一點,
看文章要超有耐心的,要等數十分鐘以上。
2009-02-26 @ 10:15
迴響 from: ibruce [訪問者]
*****
打太快,修正一下「欲生產」=>「接生」。
2009-02-26 @ 10:19
迴響 from: chimaera [訪問者]

To: hiso
現在高中有第二外語(我不知道這樣的高中多不多欸,在下以前是某公立)...我以前修西班牙文XD
不過只有強制學一年,但也算是培養興趣吧(同學畢業之後就真的往西文系發展了...)

這時終於了解國中英文老師一直告訴我們語言是種工具的苦心阿,但是以前我不知道她在說什麼就是...orz
2009-02-26 @ 10:39
迴響 from: 野獸醫生 [訪問者] · http://blog.xuite.net/siroyb/blog
是怎樣,200多篇回應,看文本文就夠累了,還要看完留言......
阿宅都是認真魔人,還是都是要抽書?

我有1/5前者,4/5是後者....

若這次再抽中,就是第三次收到朱大送的抽獎禮物了。爽!
2009-02-26 @ 11:31
迴響 from: evolutionlin [訪問者]
很久沒看電視了,感謝朱大,讓我還可以看到政府的政策...剛好有朋友是國中老師,不巧還是個英文老師...他的感觸很深的是...學生往往都不知道...學習語言有趣的地方....老師只能在政策(課本)規範下, 在成績與真正的教學之間掙扎...
2009-02-26 @ 11:36
迴響 from: ickai [訪問者]
to GCVinect:

新加坡當然不是什麼都好
淡馬錫投資去年踩到金融地雷 損失不少
他的CEO早已經宣佈辭職了 開始交接中
不知道這是不是您說的"負責"的一種方式
還是 你沒注意到這種小新聞

新加坡不發消費券 他透過水電補貼 消費稅補貼 稅金減免等等措施 不同程度的補貼給他的國民以協助度過景氣難關 他用政府補助企業用人成本的方式 讓企業不要裁減新加坡員工 他告訴雇主員工是公司的資產 景氣不好工作少時正好培訓新技能 由政府補貼員工訓練費用 而不是放無薪假回家吃自己
跟消費券比起來 我倒覺得這些措施比較有效 這一切 沒有創造未來的負債 只是動用國家儲備金來支應 不知道 這樣有沒有比我們的四大基金救股市 委託操作 光是賠錢還要負責任一些呢?

沒有國家什麼都好 台灣也不是都不好 見賢思齊 總是應該可以做的吧
2009-02-26 @ 12:14
迴響 from: fos [訪問者]
現在政府推的臨時公家職缺很多薪水也僅夠糊口而已(連想得到這樣缺可能都還得靠關係..),像文中說的薪水高於水平的缺應該只是少數,而人力派遣公司從政府身上賺很多的情形好像也不是這波景氣不好才開始的...

家中有人不久前去應徵一份公家的工作,就是公家以人力派遣公司來聘的員工,除了勞健保外沒其他福利,薪水也比非人力派遣的相似職位來得低,面試者是公家機關的人員從他們的面試的問題看來,他們是希望可以廉價的薪資請到很有能力的人才,不過我想真有能力符合他們標準的人絕對會先到比較有遠景的私人公司找工作吧..
2009-02-26 @ 14:34
迴響 from: 我愛張台大 [訪問者]
朱大遊戲橘子那張照片後面是不是躲了黃子佼啊?
我台大畢業的英文程度也是比國中不如啊,
因為工作後就沒用到,退步了~
2009-02-26 @ 15:07
迴響 from: GCVincnet [訪問者]
>新加坡當然不是什麼都好
>淡馬錫投資去年踩到金融地雷 損失不少
>他的CEO早已經宣佈辭職了 開始交接中
>不知道這是不是您說的"負責"的一種方式
>還是 你沒注意到這種小新聞

跟據google資料
新加坡總理李顯龍的夫人何晶,宣布辭去主權基金淡馬錫控股的總裁職務,由礦業公司必和必拓前總裁古德爾接任。董事會強調,何晶辭職同她的表現無關。

上面是虧比較大的,辭職就沒事了...

GIC沒消息!?

辭職是您所謂的負責?
人家董事會可沒這麼說(最好是有膽子...)

>新加坡政府擁有的淡馬錫控股和GIC兩個主權財富基金,向來遭國際批評資訊不夠透明,反對黨也抨擊這兩個機構掌握人民的財產,但卻不必對國會和人民負責。

所以說家天下沒事,沒事家天下。

更正,兩家投資公司大約總虧損28次消費卷。
2009-02-26 @ 15:58
迴響 from: 窮光蛋 [訪問者]
*****
有3.5億可以讓那些博士, 碩士去搞一套系統
讓人民以後可以上網考核公務單位和人員的考績
也不用在擔心部分公務員有吃大鍋飯的心態
2009-02-26 @ 16:39
迴響 from: IOL [訪問者]
*****
基本上
找朱大當國策顧問會不會比較好?
哈哈哈~ 不過我想政府應該請不起

話說我是yzu畢業的耶 嗚嗚

(我還以為我那本50集的簽名海賊王能夠入選都市傳說 唉~)
2009-02-26 @ 16:47
迴響 from: mmaplus [訪問者]
關於政府機關無遠見,我十分認同
其實應該說,很多人都只短視近利
而這些人又因為短視符合普遍的社會價值
而被拔擢,位居高位,所以他們還是不會改變短視的習性…

所以啊…有能力的人…就該承受更重的責任
批評蠻HIGH
但挑起擔子才能改變未來
2009-02-26 @ 17:04
迴響 from: 奇克斯 [訪問者]
*****
同意樓上某樓的說法,生命會找到出路─
恐龍都會自己想辦法撐下去,大學生難道不會嗎?
安啦~隨便找點事作都好,不過別再賣雞排了喔

話說我家巷口要開某家很夯的雞排連鎖店,
這條街已經有5家鹽酥雞有賣雞排 囧rz
究~竟~ 他怎麼會想到要來這裡湊熱鬧?
到底他能不能爭得一席之地?
這六家雞排攤,又會發生怎麼複雜的情愛糾葛呢?
2009-02-26 @ 17:16
迴響 from: Isonomy [訪問者]
*****
最近的政策真的都是救數字而已,短期內失業的數字問題被擺平了,但是業界體質卻無法因為這些政策而強化,看到這些公文確實會讓人有一肚子火。

然後朱大提的經濟部的案子,實在是讓人覺得若非那些公務員政策推了懶得做,就是人力銀行影響力真的太強(難不成就業服務站設來是擺好看的!?驚!)。

其實我只是看了朱大的介紹以後想抽異數而已…
2009-02-26 @ 17:20
迴響 from: 北極 [訪問者]
*****
我覺得阿...
面對才是解決問題的辦法
想再多方法來讓自己好過一點也於事無補
個人認為 個人認為拉
人的適應環境力非常之高
只要不是什麼太大的天災地變之類的
一定都還撐的下去的

不過我會這麼想
可能是因為我沒有自己去面對
然後親身體會的關係吧
我只是以我的角度去想而已
2009-02-26 @ 19:17
迴響 from: YK [訪問者]
想想自己的英文其實也很差啊……
有時候在想到底提升自己內在重要,還是死讀課本比較好……

抽獎大好!
2009-02-26 @ 19:22
迴響 from: 大學即將畢業 [訪問者]
吼我們學校圖書館這學期電梯前真的裝上大型液晶銀幕播放藝文書籍推薦影片了啦~~~~~~~~~~~~~
而且還不間斷的時時播放!!
等電梯這麼短的時間到底有誰會仔細去看那個影片.....................
好心疼爸媽的稅金!!
要花那個錢為什麼不至少把馬路修好一點.........機車都因為坑坑疤疤的路要解體了:'( 每次騎車好像在玩超級瑪莉還要閃洞
2009-02-26 @ 20:29
迴響 from: ickai [訪問者] Email
GCVincent

我們在朱先生這裡爭論主題以外事情 真的蠻怪的 也不太禮貌
ichiehkai@gmail.com
來吧 懇請賜教公司投資失利 CEO要怎樣做才算負責 還有 這一切跟消費券是怎樣連結的 請指教
2009-02-26 @ 20:38
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
哇~
開哥公布信箱耶XD~


萬一有粉絲寫信告白怎麼辦.........囧"
-----------------
端午節有沒有要回台灣?
本人希望今年端午節的六福村之旅可以成行.........囧"




有電腦的感覺真好.......
2009-02-26 @ 21:32
迴響 from: 小蔡 [訪問者]
只能說台灣的官員就是這樣,
趕快把經費花完,
趕快做出業績,
其他都無所謂。

難怪我們的錢這麼快就不見了。
(我想抽書)
2009-02-26 @ 21:38
迴響 from: 布丁 [訪問者]
高職畢業後就在職場打滾了
工作之後才發現自己不足的地方(因為被客戶釘的很慘)
所以就像朱大提到的那位同學一樣,
自動自發認真的學習。
然而在我工作了7年之後我的同學們才要開始踏入職場,
和他們聊天的過程裡才深刻的覺得,
"大學生"不要再做白日夢了!是誰造就了你們的蠢腦袋?會的東西不多還敢要求薪水??
妳以為開公司為的是救濟窮人嗎?
我們要的是能為公司賺錢的人才

看了朱大的推薦序超想看異數這本書的
哪有得買?還是用抽的就有了呢???
2009-02-26 @ 22:12
迴響 from: martian [訪問者]
身為公部門ㄉ派遣人員
我想~
那些極短時間擠出來ㄉ計畫,也許也是像我這樣ㄉ短期人員生出來的

面對長官的要求,基層人員能說甚麼?做就是了~
只是要記得~責任(尤其是被罵ㄉ時候)要自己扛~
2009-02-26 @ 22:38
迴響 from: 水餃 [訪問者]
舉頭望黑板

低頭吃便當(嚼~嚼~)
2009-02-26 @ 23:27
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.flickr.com/photos/baabuu/
***
to 布丁

如果很幸運的(?)沒有抽到

y購物中心有賣~
2009-02-26 @ 23:49
迴響 from: alexmulder [訪問者]
老實說一切還是得靠自己啊!
2009-02-27 @ 00:08
迴響 from: GCVincent [訪問者]
誰要跟你爭論?
我只是感嘆"家天下就是好"!

“這兩個機構掌握人民的財產,但卻不必對國會和人民負責“這麼爽的事,哪裡輪的到我們?

這是人家的家事,無須外人評斷是否負責。
人家董事局都不敢出聲了,我們算哪根蔥?


兩家虧損金額六百多億美金,
折合台幣,至少有28個800億(消費卷的金額)。

人們總是只注意自己想看見的,忽略其他不想看的.

2009-02-27 @ 00:10
迴響 from: hiso [訪問者] · http://www.iamhiso.com
冏, 原來第2外語已經有在推了啊,那就加油一點了.

我改推第2國藉好了...... o.O
2009-02-27 @ 01:30
迴響 from: YM [訪問者]
*****
有道理啊
政府擬出來的計畫的確不夠周詳
肥了仲介的荷包

趁不景氣和大學校、大公司合作,頗有逢低買進的味道

我要抽書啦
給我異數
2009-02-27 @ 01:48
迴響 from: 玩魔獸的迪克 [訪問者]
教學卓越計畫已淪為斬殺看不順眼的私校的工具;資源再怎麼缺乏,也無法讓學生使用殆盡,提升資源的被使用率比砍學校數量更重要~ 畢竟研究生多,也比大學生、高中生多好吧!
2009-02-27 @ 02:10
迴響 from: fos [訪問者]
研究生並不是越多就越好,重點在研究生的素質!培養研究生需投入更多資源,學生若不清楚自己的興趣及未來的目標只是為了文憑而唸研究所那會造成資源的浪費!
2009-02-27 @ 02:32
迴響 from: AL [訪問者] Email
其實我們每個人都是妮可羅賓!
哇塞~聽起來實在太強悍了~
我要開始朗誦短歌行了!!
2009-02-27 @ 09:20
迴響 from: ickai [訪問者]
終於承認無關了 人家公司虧不虧 干台灣消費券啥事

既然這麼欣羨家天下的大同化境
想必諸如北韓 古巴之類的指定親族繼承元首的國家 為兄所喜
要不要算算 消費券可以給他們吃多久?
2009-02-27 @ 09:28
迴響 from: 艾瑞克陸仟柒佰捌拾肆 [訪問者]
政策面我想大家都有意見,鄙陋如我就不多言了
只提出一個我認為有趣的東西...

"月落"烏啼霜滿天
"江楓"漁火對愁眠
"姑蘇"城外寒山寺
"夜半"鐘聲到客船

前面引號內的首二字即便拿掉,依然對仗
(有此一說,後人加字讓五言變七言)
中文如此神奇,卻讓一群豬腦不值...
2009-02-27 @ 10:39
迴響 from: iamnotgm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/iamnotgm
樓上的....
如果你要說依然成詩是還有趣
對仗這東西本來就是這樣
句中各詞的字數詞性平仄要相對
所以任何七言的對仗
拿掉頭個詞剩下的當然還是對仗

五言後來演變出七言這個發展
就我所知是沒錯的
不過是另外的話題了
2009-02-27 @ 13:31
迴響 from: 潛水夫 [訪問者]
花了四天斷斷續續的看完了全部。
2009-02-27 @ 14:50
迴響 from: veromca [訪問者]
什麼~~ 有送書, 那一定要浮出來囉!!

現在想想, 以前學校有開第二外語課, 但放在選修, 我沒修, 但是, 有一堆中文都寫不好的豬頭同學去選修, 畢業後也全忘光了, 那, 有必要修嗎?

2009-02-27 @ 15:50
迴響 from: Josh [訪問者] Email
****-
我認為問題出在大學太多了
技職體系被弱化(當然也是因為家長希望子女能儘量深造)
而導致產生了太多沒有公司企業想要的畢業生

若技職體系能善加發揮
相信失業率會變好
大學也可以減少產出不合產業需求的畢業生

CC...

其實我是想抽獎
2009-02-27 @ 17:17
迴響 from: KKK [訪問者]
啊...
公務員效率本來就比較差一點
想像力也比較差
做事還要顧慮很多法規跟利益團體會不會跑來施壓

所以搞些奇怪的計畫來花錢也是很正常的

至於在校園裡面到處裝LCD

前幾天電死一位以該校為第一志願學生的國立大學
就在校園裡面裝好幾台Sony Bravia 52吋 FullHD LCD
用途就是顯示校園用電量

每天都有人在打球的體育館老舊到漏電電死學生
花幾十萬裝超高檔LCD來顯示各處室用電量
就算有促進經濟,也是促進到日本跟韓國

我以後絕對不會捐錢給這學校
這學校的前校長正在當行政院長喔
或許是有點無限上綱,不過由此可知這種公務體系會做出甚麼事情
2009-02-27 @ 17:51
迴響 from: Alberto [訪問者]
*****
我知道某些公務員的難處,但是有幾個人不會面臨這種被要求魚與熊掌兼得的狀況?
老闆要求員工越能幹越好(有時候能幹的定義還包含知道什麼時候該笨),薪水越低越好。又要馬兒跑又要馬兒不吃草這樣。

如果這些經費可以用來由政府辦理短期課程(約半年),參加人必須符合某些資格,然後繳交一定保證金,翹課率低於一定的程度,加上通過期末測驗(未必是用我們從小到大熟悉的方式),保證金不但全數歸還,政府還發獎金給一次就通過的人。感覺這樣對於人才短期的供過於求有些幫助,然後對於長期人力素質的提升,應該也是有正面的幫助才對。

當然只是一個想當簡單的粗略構想,還有很多例如說審核制度?要開哪一類的課程,都是會影響成敗的大問題。
2009-02-27 @ 18:10
迴響 from: 小魚兒Kristy [訪問者]
*****
圖好大
2009-02-27 @ 22:12
迴響 from: Aidan [訪問者]
***--
看完覺得身有同感...
市場的機制有他的作用存在
中長期而言
不合理會合理化自身
不需要利用政府的力量過渡干預
適度的調節確有必要
但是不須為了創造工作機會而創造工作機會
這只會讓市場資源分配產生不效率...
2009-02-27 @ 23:56
迴響 from: JasonWu [訪問者]
*****
我在幾個月也要變成大學生了(羞)
希望我是不需要被拯救就過得很好的人╮(﹀_﹀")╭
2009-02-28 @ 00:29
迴響 from: youfly [訪問者]
其實這篇文章也可以延續"異數"導讀裡的關鍵句: "然後呢??" 每次在這裡看完文章和回應都會忍不住想:到底還要累積多少個有志之士台灣才會有看的到的改善? 或者應該說,這麼多隱藏版的有志之士們到底要被環境逼到什麼地步才會願意跳出來做些真正有意義的事?
2009-02-28 @ 04:18
迴響 from: Z [訪問者]
*****
納稅人都被這樣糟蹋...
在報紙上看到一段話
"經濟危機時的官員最好當,因為對或不對成效都不大"

看完好憤怒可是又無能為力呢Orz
2009-02-28 @ 13:04
迴響 from: 艾賽韓德 [訪問者]
*****
抽書+1...

不過看那麼多.. 卻還是處於知道 但不知行動的狀態

令人憂心阿 渾渾噩噩... 我現在大一

到底真正想要努力的是甚麼 其實自己早就有底了.. 只剩行不行動..
2009-03-01 @ 17:19
迴響 from: 九月 [訪問者] Email · http://sepxx.blogspot.com
****-
這篇真的蠻嚴肅的
關於不景氣時代,更應把握這個機會大筆的花去投資在把師資抓過來這方面
覺得非常有道理
在這個時代其實也有非常多好康可以把握住
就像平時賣1590的鞋,這個時候就有機會190入手一樣 ← 身邊的真實案例
按照這種不同的觀點來看,不景氣就看是怎麼想的了

然後教育方面的問題真的太專業了
看得我現在還腦脹脹中...@@
2009-03-01 @ 19:10
迴響 from: Brian [訪問者]
上面有幾位大大都提到說,迪士尼原本要在台中再開一家分店,只是後來因為一些因素只能作罷..
我想這個消息有些錯誤吧..根據嚴長壽先生的"我所看見的未來"(這本書台灣人必看~)裡面的說法,是環球影城本來要在后里那裡建一個分館,只是因為一些配套條件和政府瞧不攏,後來才變成是現在我們看到的月眉育樂世界..
看了"我所看見的未來"就會知道台灣數十年來錯過了多少機會了..但還是有許多的機會等著我們去實踐~
2009-03-02 @ 14:47
迴響 from: 天氣 [訪問者]
***--
朱老大這篇故事沒說好,容易模糊焦點,
留言中有幾個阿宅說的我很同意,我用長篇廢話說明我的看法:
英文強不強不是最重要的,以它來評價所有學生的素質或就業能力其實沒太大意義。

重要的是想學習的念頭,也就是朱老大故事中,那個一開始不想學英文,後來去考英檢的人。
如果讓人從小對他感興趣的事物,去學習找資料涉獵、練習,我認為對塑造他思考和理解是相當有幫助的,這成為一種習慣,不再是老師家長或成績單在逼你。

大家覺得朱老大英文強不強?
你們覺得這是因為朱老大上課認真的關係嗎?
那是因為懂英文可以看到更多有趣的事,或是任何你有興趣想知道的東西。你從學校學到基礎英文(教得很無聊),然後因為你很喜歡WWF或WOW,你用你破爛的英文汲汲營營吸收你能找到的知識,導致你英文漸漸變強,然後你又能看懂更多你想知道的事,你的英文更上層樓,這是正性回饋。

重點在於動機。大家只知道測驗是結果,英文(或任何學問)是工具,但好像沒多少人知道動機有多重要,是決定後續的要素,做改善從這裡著手最省力。以典型亞洲的教育方式來說(包括家長和學校),沒能徹底扼殺學生自主學習的動機就是奇蹟了。

扼殺動機也影響我們的思考力。
這篇文章的所有留言或許能略為代表台灣人的思考力,你能從大家回應的內容感覺出他們大概幾歲嗎?我感覺離學校越遠的,講出來的話越有內涵。這不是因為什麼工作經驗,這是因為在學校裡我們習慣大腦放空了,想到跟考試以外的事大部分是吃喝玩樂(以及SEX)。
真的,你再稍微看看留言,你會覺得很有趣,
很多是感想,或講個時事,真的有自己意見的不多,提出批判性意見的人更少了。(批判性意見不等於批評喔)

所以故事中校長會想出擺LCD促進學生對文化創意產業認識的好主意啊!
所以大家都說政府政策很沒有前瞻性啊!
(人民素質一部分反映在政府素質上)

丟幾個建設性意見:
long term effect:
補助爸媽買童書故事書,
用心得寫作、演說、戲劇等等表達你對某學問的理解或看法取代部分筆試,
設計個聊天課之類的,少上些填鴨課,多啟發一些像朱大這樣的人。
(畢竟除了你自己,出了學校誰真正在乎你會不會那些和職場無關的東西?)
short term effect:
個人層面;
現在開始試著從自己沒想過的角度去看事情
(看新聞不要傻傻的什麼都信),給自己撥一段時間去理解你喜歡的東西,看朱大文章的時候想想他到底在說什麼,什麼地方你不同意。
經濟面;
說真的對於目前經濟沒有很多政府能做的,大家都期待政府大有為,但我會說,不繼續浪費納稅人的錢就是德政了,把補助大學生就業的錢拿給真的快活不下去的人還比較好。

趁現在取得技術引進資源很不錯,但我還是強調以社會整體來說,最需要改變的是思考模式。

我講的每個句子都還有很多討論空間,這是好事,畢竟這個主題每天寫一篇寫一個月也寫不完。只是有興趣把它看完想討論的人不多啊!
(你知道為什麼要抽書了吧)
2009-03-02 @ 17:19
迴響 from: 一次800億的消費券?? [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/baty726/1247045
五年五百億都沒高出蝦咪碗糕大學了

一次800億的消費券??

2009-03-02 @ 21:49
迴響 from: GCVincent [訪問者]
>"經濟危機時的官員最好當,因為對或不對成效都不大"

看完好憤怒可是又無能為力呢Orz

不要被騙了,積非成是,文過飾非的藉口。
從前大蕭條時代的美國執行新政,當時的官員真的好當嗎?成效不大嗎?

另外,
to自己說新加坡也不是每樣都好的人
我只提一樣不好給大家參考,馬上就抓狂。

古巴跟北韓,你提的你慢慢算吧~

新加坡能到達今日的境地,有很大的一點是台灣人做不到的。
新加坡的老百姓的美德,乖乖聽話。(新加坡人自己講的,你就不用再抓狂了~)
除了政府官員以外,老百姓可能也要再教育一下。

2009-03-02 @ 23:57
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
既然GCVincent是這麼有遠見、有抱負的人,不如號召這裡的阿宅們,我們推薦GCVincent先來選大安區的立法委員好了!如果閣下不幸剛好不住大安區,那趕快考慮好要選哪一個縣市長,我們阿宅一定鼎力支持這麼有遠見、有抱負的人,相信GCVincent一定有辦法對抗這波經濟不景氣,而不是只會打打嘴炮的人!

GCVincent‧加油!
2009-03-03 @ 07:51
迴響 from: ickai [訪問者]
天氣寫的真好 條理邏輯俱在

GCVincent
抓狂 你的見解有到這種層次嗎? 我又不是新加坡人 只是不喜你開場就欠缺禮節 針鋒相對
我的出發點是見賢思齊 提出人家好的措施
無奈你眼裡只關注別人社會裡不好的

只評不論 不需要思考 的確是容易多了
2009-03-03 @ 09:48
迴響 from: YUYU [訪問者]
****-
早已經是惡性循環了啦~
其實不管英文好或不好,學校一定都會讓你畢業,但是畢業後不管你英文好或不好,現在公司都只想找有經驗又不太老的低價員工,考了一堆證照一樣沒用,結果最有用的就是回頭找補習班考公家,至少國家目前不會倒...
嗚呼哀哉~只怪自己生在這邊...
(至於之前幸運考上公家的只會想盡快回本,創造高效能的投資報酬率而已...,看他們的政策跟端出來的牛肉就知道了!)
2009-03-03 @ 15:10
迴響 from: GCVincent [訪問者]
這裡除了朱大以外,大部分的人不都是在打嘴砲?
還是說有立法委員休會外出取材順便來探訪民意?
不管最後是誰的口水淹死誰,現實都不會改變。

見賢思齊焉,後面還有句話,請不要故意忘記!
見不賢而內自省。
(但是根據ickai的意見,見不賢這部份顯然是吹毛求疵。)
我可以尊重你發言的權利,但是你能不能尊重別人的意見?

威權到民主的過程一定是混亂不堪的,有沒有人要給百姓一個機會。
大家都在學習成長,從不敢言語到大鳴大放,任意攻訐。
跟你意見不同就要幫人家戴帽子~這就是所謂的黨同伐異嗎?

盲目相信學習某國就會好這種思考模式,其實不就跟阿同伯ㄧ樣!
英文好就會好,英文不好就三好加一好!
最好是真實世界有這麼單純~
歷史課本講過的,中學為體,西學為用。成功的案例再哪裡?

羅斯福的新政,當時不也是困難重重,不也是眾人唱雖?(好像別人照做也沒有這樣成功的?!)

to ninny
我是打到你的男朋友了嗎?這麼急著推我下火坑~

好像叫別人理性一點,大部分的人都會抓狂的樣子。

大家可以理性一點嗎?

老實說,(不論同不同意或者對不對)
阿同伯站出來說的話,恐怕要比毫宅小宅迷你宅還有更多影響力。

c'est la vie!
2009-03-04 @ 00:02
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
男朋友?我沒有男朋友啊,我們家杰倫說現在還不能公開我們的關係......羞~

只是叫你出來選舉,又不是叫你成立基金會還是辦雜誌,哪有火坑那麼嚴重啊。我很理性啊,現下能夠結束這個經濟不景氣的辦法就只有世界大戰跟流感大流行了。
2009-03-04 @ 12:22
迴響 from: GCVincent [訪問者]
to不能說得祕密周嫂

其實彗星撞地球也可以結束經濟不景氣~
流感恐怕還差一點兒。

我叫你去吃什麼你就去吃嗎?
來人啊!喂嫂子吃餅。
2009-03-04 @ 22:43
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
不會啊,西班牙流感就挺威的,還是閣下沒聽說過西班牙流感?
2009-03-05 @ 07:57
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
另,請不要隨便叫我嫂子,我跟你不熟啊!

我說的戰爭與疾病都是有根據的,閣下可以去問問你們的經濟學老師,不要賭氣隨便講個慧星撞地球這種答案。
2009-03-05 @ 08:05
迴響 from: VIN [訪問者]
****-
真的如此!! (因為大學唸英文系,就不斷幫長輩的小孩、朋友、朋友的女朋友、高中同學...弄英文求職履歷的受害者)
2009-03-11 @ 20:09
迴響 from: 無名 [訪問者]
宅是需要被拯救的。
詳見:
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/illyqueen/12398561
(因為現在太多人有「宅」化的趨勢,實在讓我不免憂心了起來)
2009-03-12 @ 23:04
迴響 from: cycisme [訪問者] Email · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/cycisme
***--
狗那張照片的英文文法有很大問題
國中英文程度應該就看的出來
還是我沒看出那根梗?!

其實標題也可把"大學生"換成"小學生""中學生""幼稚園生""長青學苑生""女大生"......
我們正活在一個大學都需要被拯救的年代,
每人都有滿腹苦水等人拯救

不過,沒人救,多數人也不會怎樣
LIFE WILL FIND THE WAY......

2009-03-30 @ 21:19
迴響 from: 冰糖 [訪問者]
****-
你居然一而再
再而三的跟正妹照相~~~
給我記住
2009-03-31 @ 00:53
迴響 from: Derbyshire [訪問者] Email
*****
無意間Google到您的文章,覺得您說的很對。但是,還是有些想法和您做個分享。第一,我覺得,政府這個方案表面上看起來不錯,失業率可能會減少,但是減少多少,則是有待商確。第二,現在的學歷不值錢,學士學歷被視為〝基本〞能力。殊不知,在二、三十年錢,能唸到大學就很了不起的成就。更別說是碩、博士了。況且,在十多年前,學士的能力經過嚴刻的考試篩選,能力不見得比當今滿街跑的碩、博士差。連七分都能上大學,火星文也能上大學?只能說是教育界的失敗。
敝人雖然也因此方案而受惠,成為某大學的助理教師。但是,這也是因為一些台灣的怪異現象所逼(例如:面試時,要求出示全民英檢或TOEIC等證明。但是,第一,本人才剛回國一個多月,根本還沒有時間考,就算報名,也是七月多少考。第二,本人在美唸研究所四年,至少工作過一年,我相信英文能力應不至於成問題.但是,就有面試官認為證照才能證明。說實話,我申請的也不是什麼野雞大學,Toefl也是至少要IBT成績達213...)再者,台灣重視證照的美意很好,但是,證照真的有辨法做出篩選嗎?說真的,我有些商業證照也考過了,但是,我一直到了唸研究所才真正〝學會〞。既然我都能死背考過了理財規劃人員了,我相信,也有人會和我一樣的(本人非本科出身)。所以證照真的有用嗎?
第三,在我看來,一堆大企業搶這個方案,好讓他們免費用人,但是政府對於用的人才卻還硬性規定要哪些學校或哪些條件。仔細看看,這些學校裡,名校畢業的有可能去搶一個月2萬2的薪資嗎?他們有的是能力,但卻可能發生了一些可悲的事。很多大企業開出給新人的缺,全是用教育部這個方案。原因無他,免費!如此的短視近利,原本該進優秀人才來提升企業的競爭力的,卻因為這個方案的關係,來應微的人,也許也不是當初這些企業所設定的人選。亦或是因為很多大企業只開這種缺給新人,所以造成很多優秀的畢業生也只能回頭來搶這個缺了。
在國外唸書時,學校都著重實務經驗。因此,證照考得不多,但實際接的CASE反到是不少。反觀台灣,證照考完了。會應用嗎?一堆專有名詞背的滾瓜爛熟,真的有用嗎?遇上需實務操作時,那些名詞真的有用嗎?
因此,敝人的想法認為,台灣目前的問題,是教育制度不夠嚴謹所造成,企業無法真正選才,只能一昧的依賴證照把關。教育要能真正淘汰掉不適合之學生,才能提升競爭力。
2009-06-11 @ 04:14
迴響 from: 來福 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/lifeking
*****
我很廢

我現在真的很想要這個方案

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我去年底退伍做了一份短期工之後
今年從三月份開始騎驢找馬
五月份正式辭職開始找工作

政府的這個方案我跑了三場
丟了自己有興趣的公司好幾份履歷
目前還依然等消息中

22k的工作看似好找又很低
如果在北部的確會餓死(所以北部的我回絕了)
南部的話則非常熱門

我個人在台南市
畢業生沒什麼工作經驗
然後可以找到22k又可以週休二日的工作
很令人羨慕阿

會不去北部壓榨自己的原因是我希望還有一點錢可以讓我繼續進修我想要的技能跟證照
不這樣根本沒辦法往上爬

如果可以我當然也想要當正職員工

一般的履歷還是努力丟努力面試

但好難面試上

前陣子裁員裁太多
現在又開始招募人員
沒有工作經驗真的不好進去
南部的內勤工作能夠用女生就用女生
(女生就是耐心細心跟賞心悅目的同義詞)

我沒有貪圖內勤但我的專業不在業務跟拉廣告阿阿阿阿

其實我也不太喜歡政府這方案
聽說很多企業就打著這個合作的方案而把很多應屆畢業生的起薪降到22k
但大環境不好失業人口太多

政府不多創造一點就業機會我都快發瘋了

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看完朱大(大什麼大?)的文章我沒有要反駁的意思

只是想讓你知道一個目前待業中的22k畢業生方案的就業者的想法
(回這麼老的文章我不清楚你會不會看到啦~)

快來個公司壓榨我吧~我要進步往上爬阿阿阿阿阿!!!!
2009-08-28 @ 17:30
迴響 from: 迪斯努夫 [訪問者]
多半是政府為衝短期而隱藏失業人數的數字遊戲中的一環。當然,這也和長期且慣性"後知後覺"的教育文化有很大的關聯。
一定很多人都出社會才發現"早知道當初數學多學一點""早知道英文學好一點"。
那~早知如此,何必當初呢。
不知道是不是因為我們台灣人優良的血統,說到差勁不會輸給人,但是衝勁一但暴發,可是沒人贏的了。
適者生存,不適者淘汰還蠻寫真的。必竟出了社會第一要面臨的也是這個。
除非你有把握從事"不可替代"性工作。
雖然政府的無能,教育部的無知,我們自覺都是受害者,至少我們還是一個具備獨立思考的個體,該學的該做的,都是自已的選擇。
該出社會時,所學的"完成度"雖決定於起跑點。
但是否一樣到的了終點,全憑個人努力。
在工廠時以前常被師父訓"不會自已想辦法呀!!"。雖然心中極度不爽,也一度認為是否針對我個人。但是幾年下來,漸漸了解他的用意。
孩子,長大了,出社會,自已想辦法。
為了活下去!(握拳)
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