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李家同犯的錯,誰之過? (124671 views)
     

http://mag.udn.com/mag/campus/storypage.jsp?f_ART_ID=184447

最近每次只要李家同一投書到報上,就有很多人會寫信到我信箱,在部落格上留言,在PTT寄信和傳訊,等著我來痛罵他一頓。

從之前的小四學生考文法的文章,到現在核心技術比棒球重要的文章,幾乎每一篇都被抱怨到爆炸,所以我收到的要求就越積越高.......

沒錯,阿同伯最近犯的錯實在讓人難以忍受,所以我也的確要寫篇文章。

但是,我必須要套用斷水流大師兄的一句名言。

我不只是說李家同有錯,我說的是,在座的各位都有錯!

Follow up:

好吧,先從他在東吳發表的那篇演講開始說起吧。

他講的那段,根據那篇聯合報新聞下面的當場聽眾的記載是這樣的,我也查證過了,基本上這個留言者說的沒錯。

至於新聞為什麼都不敢提到國宴這兩個字,請各位可以去問當天報導的記者演講完發生了什麼事情,我也懶得多說:

現場聽眾之一 2009/03/15 00:09:07
‧標題:李家同說「國宴」
李家同教授在東吳大學演講時提到「國宴」的原文是:
「我最近參加我們的國宴,裡面有一個音樂我注意到,一個叫作『Danny Boy』,各位有沒有聽過?我不好意思在這裡唱,唱了你們就知道這個歌了。可是這個歌你去看它的歌詞,是葬禮上使用的(聽眾笑聲),歌詞說『我死了,可是我會回來』,對方說『你死了,可是我還是會到你墳墓來』,我也搞不清為什麼在國宴的時候演唱Danny boy(聽眾笑聲),外交部也應該有一點普通常識。這普通常識哪裡來的?我要告訴各位,這不是看書看的,到圖書館來看書,看死了你也不知道Danny Boy是在葬禮唱的,可是你如果看電影,就像我這個人喜歡看電影,我現在也強迫我的學生常常看電影,電影上都是的,尤其英國人去世最後都是Danny Boy大家一起大合唱,蘇格蘭、愛爾蘭更加是,還有各位不妨上網去把Danny Boy這個歌詞美的不得了,相當相當的美,而且很明顯它是蘇格蘭的民謠,它有些字都是蘇格蘭人才會用的。所以這是滿重要的,我們必須要知道很多國家的歷史等等,以免出醜。

好啦,各位。

李家同教授覺得大學生缺乏,他自己感到很自傲的普通常識是對的嗎?

請看維基百科的Danny Boy條目:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Boy

"Danny Boy" is an Irish folk song written by Frederick Weatherly and (in its modern version) set to the tune of "Londonderry Air".

Danny Boy是由Frederick Weatherly所做詞,近代的曲則是用Londonderry Air的愛爾蘭民謠。

上面這則是紐約市慶祝聖派崔克節(也就是一個愛爾蘭人的節日,由於美國愛爾蘭移民眾多,因此許多地方都會盛大慶祝,甚至會把整條河水染成綠色的。不久前Youtube標誌變成綠色的原因也是這樣)的第247屆遊行前開場,由Celtic Thunder所頌唱的代表愛爾蘭人的Danny Boy。


(不過大家很愛把這一天當作喝個爛醉的理由....orz....)

李家同教授還蘇格蘭蘇格蘭蘇格蘭的講個不停哩!

這是愛爾蘭的民謠,而且廣為被國際間的一般大眾和愛爾蘭血統者所熟知為愛爾蘭的代表歌曲,會廣泛的在各種場合獻唱,甚至在許多愛爾蘭酒吧裡面,只要酒酣耳熱,大家就會一起大合唱這首歌,完全沒有什麼只在喪禮中演唱這件事情。

李家同所說的「可是這個歌你去看它的歌詞,是葬禮上使用的」完全是他主觀的,看了歌詞之後的自行推論。很顯然的錯到不能再錯。

如果說是一個老教授單純犯的錯也就算了,人生在世誰能無錯呢?

但是,真正的問題來了。

有沒有注意到?

一個這麼明顯,任何人願意在網路上做重複查證就可以知道的錯誤,為什麼一個國立大學的外文系教授竟然不敢署名指正李家同?

而且這麼明顯的錯誤,聯合報也不敢直接指責李家同講錯了,竟然只敢把這類明顯正確的看法歸類在「另一種意見」,版面小上五六倍的欄位裡面。

如果你是一個沒有辦法判斷的讀者,你會覺得這個欄位更小,被寫成「另一種意見」的看法是正確的嗎?

或者是你會選擇相信另一個權威的意見?

深入探究,發現現場的狀況更讓人替台灣的知識界覺得哀傷。

由東吳大學圖書館主辦的這場名為「洞悉E世代,提升創新力」的演講,現場除了學生之外,還有大量的我國高等教育學府的圖書館人員,光以列表來看,就至少有東吳大學圖書館館長、台北大學圖書館館長、台灣大學圖書館館長、政治大學圖書館館長、文化大學圖書館館長五所大學圖書館的館長。

http://www.lib.scu.edu.tw/meeting/program_list.htm

難道在這一場李家同想要證明大學生缺乏國際常識,卻反而證明自己缺乏普通常識的演講中,現場這五所大學圖書館的館長和眾多理應管理各大學知識寶庫的圖書館從業人員中,沒有任何一個人有足夠的知識和能力來反駁這樣一個明顯錯誤的內容嗎?

難道現場的數百名大學生聽眾,竟然也沒有一個人有辦法立刻上網去查詢這些資料,並且在活動結束之後舉手發問,告訴李家同教授,「你所說的知識和我們所知道的知識不一樣!」

難道在這一場「為推廣圖書館的服務與資源,提升讀者的資訊應用能力及閱讀思考力」的活動中,現場讀者竟然沒有辦法應用資訊,並且馬上思考台上人所講的資訊對錯?

難道事後報社的編輯也沒辦法查證到底何者為錯,何者為對嗎?

這不才是真正的問題所在嗎?

http://www.lib.scu.edu.tw/meeting/reading.pdf

看看李家同在那場演講的投影片裡面的第十六頁和第十七頁。

這種武斷,主觀到極點的論調,他並不是第一次提出。

年輕人喜歡閱讀網路文章。但是這類文章是沒有經過刪選就出現的。其中有一些可能完全不合邏輯,但反而受到年輕人的喜愛。

http://blogs.myoops.org/lucifer.php/2007/06/25/lee
(2007年李家同在本部落格出現的第二篇文章就是這個主題!)

難道我的這篇網路文章沒有經過篩選就出現,會比李家同的這場演講要來得不合邏輯嗎?

難道他把他旗下研究生的寫作能力的問題一再歸罪於網路文章的作法會更合邏輯嗎?

難道,李家同教授底下從來沒有一個學生敢當面跟他講這樣的推論太過武斷嗎?

否則,我們怎麼會一而再再而三的看到這同樣的荒謬言論一直出現?

但是,真正荒謬的地方在於,李家同的演講中雖然舉了諸多的錯誤(更別提那本他因為宗教因素甚為貶低的達文西密碼批判師出無名←前面那連結有),但他也說出了真正的問題:台灣人迷信,且崇拜所謂的大師

在面對這種大師時,台灣的媒體、官方、教育體系、聽眾、學生、家長,全都棄守了真正重要的批判能力,把所有思考、指責的工作,都交給了這些所謂的大師。

http://tinyurl.com/ch8hoo

就像這個部落格和他原文一字不漏轉貼的李家同文章一樣。除了應和之外,他們都因為李家同是大師,所以根本不加思考就把他的邏輯和思想直接傳遞出去,卻從來沒檢證過自己所崇拜的這個大師到底是不是對的!

看看上面部落格站長在轉貼文下面的文章:

clement 2009/02/23 23:35

關於這篇報導,有不同角度的看法及解讀....
雖然是以比較恢諧的方式~~仍值得一看^^

http://blogs.myoops.org/lucifer.php/2009/02/21/lee5#more501

DearJohn 2009/02/24 00:22

看完了,
但很後悔,
因為完全是不值一讀、東拉西扯,
不知所云的文章....
這位部落客向來是為反對而反對,
也講不出什麼有內容的東西來。

吧,既然你閱讀能力低落到看不懂我這篇文章的內容,就讓我來幫你順一順你的思考邏輯吧。

http://blogs.myoops.org/lucifer.php/2009/02/21/lee5 (幹我覺得這篇寫的相當好懂)

李家同在上面一篇文章中抱怨我國考試不該考英文作文,因為這樣會剝奪偏遠地區孩子的升學機會。

但是天哪,難道各位都忘記了嗎?

之所以學生的英文成績會被這麼強調,都是因為像李家同這樣的蛋頭學者不顧教學資源和公平度,一昧的強調英文好才有競爭力的結果呀!

你記性不好,李家同的記性不好,網路可沒有這麼容易忘記!

看看底下這篇新聞:

http://www.nownews.com/2004/10/24/327-1703880.htm

李家同在2004年10月24號在師範大學的這場演講中說的是什麼?

資工系教授李家同表示,考選擇題沒有用,要會寫英文文章才算學好英文

更別提李家同在 李家同:英文不好 乾脆別念大學 2008年接受自由時報訪問時這麼的說。

所以說,到底是誰主張那些寫不好英文作文、學不好英文的人不該上大學?

就是人文關懷權威,台灣社會的良心李家同!

清楚了嗎?

這什麼阻礙學習成就、阻礙未來發展的高牆就是李家同打造出來的,過了五年之後,忽然之間又開始大聲疾呼不該考英文作文? 自己蓋高牆,五年之後又跑出來一派無辜的拆高牆,有沒有這麼自產自銷兩面討好的 好事情,我也想要呀!

你說他什麼在埔里教小孩英文平均了很多機會,但你有沒有想過那些在埔里之外,無法獲得資源的,那些被他一昧鼓吹英文能力等於競爭力之後,因為灰心喪志而學不好英文,甚至放棄了升學道路的學生怎麼辦?

難道不在埔里,沒有李家同照顧,就活該倒楣要被犧牲在他的英文能力等於競爭力的荒謬言論之下嗎?

難道只因為李家同是三個學校的榮譽教授,當過兩個學校的校長,我們就該毫不考慮,毫不查證的接受他說的話嗎?

所謂的國際常識可以學習,挑戰權威的勇氣一旦放棄了,一旦學會當個順民之後,這勇氣就再也找不回來了呀!

http://udn.com/NEWS/OPINION/OPI4/4793344.shtml

這就跟李家同之前所發表過的另一篇文章一樣:「我能不能說一句不中聽的話:工業技術絕對比棒球技術重要。

難道他身邊就沒有一個門生故舊敢跟他說:老師,棒球運動跟什麼工業技術是兩回事,沒有誰重要誰不重要這件事情 ? 難道就一定要把棒球壓低到比工業技術不重要,然後台灣的工業技術就可以起來了嗎?

難道李家同一定比王建民重要我們才會聽李家同的話?

難道棒球和工業技術是這麼簡單可以擺在天平上,由你李家同說了那個重要就算對了嗎?

更之前吧,還記得李家同又對小四學生考中文文法這件事情發表了意見嗎?

http://www.csie.ncnu.edu.tw/~rctlee/article/980307.htm

奇妙的地方在於,這個題目說老實話,並沒有那麼難,好歹我還可以回答出幾題來。

排比和映襯看起來都沒這麼難。

為什麼李家同連中文文法的題目連一題都回答不出來?

如果照李家同在這篇 大學生知多少 裡面的態度,只要大學生不知道他所舉出來的自己知道的三十個名詞的答案,就加以痛批大學生缺乏普通常識的態度一樣,那幾年後他寫的這篇文章,是不是我們該說大學教授缺乏中文常識?連小學生四年級的題目都做不出來?!

不對吧?

PTT上有篇推文寫的很正確,顯然大學生並不是都像李家同所認為的一樣是酒囊飯袋,也能夠作許多一針見血的批評的:李先生會的,大家都要會,李先生不會的,就叫強求

而且更別提李家同此文一出之後,忽然之間各報的民意論壇就充滿了那些應和、攀附、甚至表示「我好幾年前就想講」的文章,紛紛對小學的中文教學大表反對。

那你們之前在哪裡?

為什麼你們不敢提出批判,只能眼巴巴的寫信等李家同為你們申冤?

如果這是你的子女,台灣教育的未來,為什麼你不敢挺身而出?

難道李家同不站出來說話,台灣就不會有改變嗎?

這樣懦弱、退縮,只敢跟所謂的大師站在同一邊的心態,才是今日台灣真正的問題所在!

就跟那些他媽的每次都寫信來叫我罵李家同的人一樣!

你自己為什麼不寫!你為什麼要放棄自己批判教育制度的公民權?

等等,我們再來看看那篇投書背後的故事:

http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1236513858.A.FFA.html

李家同的學生出來說了:「後來李盃盃越想越生氣,在當天的上課中,請助教把這一題印出來發給在座的每一位114的大學生,結果還是沒半個人能完全回答出來。

等等,我怎麼不知道李家同在清大有教國文課?

如果沒有教國文,為什麼會在李家同的課堂上寫這國小四年級的國文試題?

面對這種上課內容和課名不符合的狀況,這些清大的學生為什麼沒有一個人敢說話?

我雖然當年考不上清大,但好歹還在劍橋和麻省理工混過幾堂旁聽的課,我在劍橋大學進修時遇到老師教的不是我們需要的東西時,就會跟課程規劃提出要求,請他們立刻修改課程的方向。(因為這課程是劍橋大學為我們的計畫所設計的,當然有權利要求)

你想也知道如果老師把上課時間拿來做他私人的研究時,我會有什麼樣的反應了。

為什麼台灣頂尖大學的學生已經對大師服從到這種上課時隨便他幹什麼都不敢吭聲的程度了?之前李家同教的課就曾經被他拿來考什麼鬼常識,現在又來考國小中文,誰知道下次到底還要隨堂考什麼他感興趣的題目?

但不管這些事情怎麼樣,不管李家同如何荒腔走板,你們都噤口不言,你們都選擇沈默。

如果你經常看到你老師的文章因為犯錯而在PTT上被噓到爆炸,為什麼你不敢告訴他?

是誰讓一個所謂的人文關懷權威淪落到成為大學生的笑柄?

是誰讓這個照說應該發言為人所佩服的國策顧問每次說話都漏洞百出?

除了李家同自己之外,在座的所有人都有錯。

是那些媒體不加查證,登出他的錯誤言論讓他影響更多人。

是哪些網友不加查證,轉寄他的言論,讓他的權威被更加建立。

是那些老師不加查證,在課堂上一遍又一遍引用,讓學生真的以為李家同的言論連老師都會引用.....真是很正確。

是那些匿名,不敢正面指正李家同的教授的姑息,讓他真的以為自己可以插手所有非專業、沒有研究的領域。

是那些看到老師言論明顯犯錯,卻不敢指正的李家同學生的怠惰,才會讓他越戰越勇,真的以為自己所知道的都是真理。

是你,和那些袖手旁觀,因為他是大師而不敢與之抗衡的一般人,讓他一而再再而三的被神化,成為了所謂的社會良心!

我不只是說李家同有錯,我說的是,在座的各位都有錯!

當然,如果這篇文章就這麼結束了,實在一點教育意味都沒有。

正因為我是如此之賭爛,因此我在成功大學的座談,和市立圖書館的對談裡面,都提到了這件事情.....

.....和它背後的荒謬意涵。

不久之後我接到了一封信。

有讀者認為我為什麼沒讓李家同知道這些事情。

但因為你也知道,我對於寫信給老人這件事情......有時不是那麼積極......所以我就建議不如由他做起。

於是我又接到了一封信。

當然,李家同教授這麼有風度,沒有惱羞成怒,真是讓我相當佩服......

只不過很可惜的。

他又錯了。

身為三校榮譽教授,兩個學校校長的李家同教授,在那封回信裡面又寫錯了。

於是我又回信了。


他最後一句話又錯了,要麻煩你提醒他更正。

http://www.sibeliusmusic.com/cgi-bin/show_score.pl?scoreid=64323

http://tinyurl.com/df99wo

(這裡我現在多加一行資料)
http://old.emigrant.ie/cormac/aug21.htm
The Man who sings Danny Boy at weddings is the backbone of this country.

Danny Boy也可以被當作婚禮上的祝福之歌....:>

如果他還繼續用這種錯誤的觀點回信,不知道還要誤導多少人哪!

最後,我又收到了一封回信。

是的。

我也覺得的很好。

只要我們願意持續的挑戰權威。

只要我們還有勇氣像是拆穿國王新衣的那個小孩一樣。

就算是李家同,也會改變的。不是嗎?

Lucifer

而就算是這麼嚴肅有教育意義的文章,也要貼大圖!

好久不見的史旺基原來跑去看陳綺貞演唱會去了!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/swanky-hsiao/

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迴響 from: 副班長 [訪問者] · http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/my3098-088883939/
前10

阿桐伯系列來了

讚啦
2009-03-23 @ 21:16
迴響 from: 副班長 [訪問者] · http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/my3098-088883939/
詳細的再看了一遍

結論是

阿桐伯因為朱大 

終於有了改變。。????

不要  這樣 我就看不到阿桐伯系列了><   
2009-03-23 @ 21:25
迴響 from: bearlex [訪問者]
看完時竟然一篇迴響都沒有,這表示是前十嗎!
2009-03-23 @ 21:26
迴響 from: g8202 [訪問者] · http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/live-food
一切都是我的錯
2009-03-23 @ 21:30
迴響 from: JasonWu [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/JasonWu
搶前10!!
2009-03-23 @ 21:31
迴響 from: frank5308000 [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/frank5308000
期待他改變吧
2009-03-23 @ 21:34
迴響 from: 阿桐伯加油 [訪問者]
哇~~我是前幾嗎?
2009-03-23 @ 21:36
迴響 from: Notme [訪問者] · http://onlynotme.blogspot.com
*****
就是這種文章
讓我特想今晚好好的回顧一下 家同兄 的所有發言

如果說 網路是青少年罪惡的根源
我絕對不敢跳出來反對
但是別忘了 網路最大的好處就是

家同兄,你自己說過什麼都有紀錄啊!! 哈!
2009-03-23 @ 21:36
迴響 from: raphael [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/raphael0914
好長的阿同伯!!

終於看完了...

來的時候只有第一

現在不知有否前十...
2009-03-23 @ 21:37
迴響 from: ghostfire [訪問者] · http://ghostfirerh.blogspot.com/
****-
不知道是前幾名。

身旁的人犯錯,自己就有錯嗎?也許不予糾正、指導的確有錯,但是這個已經造成的錯誤,究竟該歸屬在誰身上?

其實這是個有趣的問題。(也許我太小看李家同的力量了)
2009-03-23 @ 21:38
迴響 from: leoheart3 [訪問者]
其實有些壞事都是被慣出來的呀...
2009-03-23 @ 21:39
迴響 from: licia [訪問者]
看著看著,內心突然泛起沉重感。

台灣人甚麼時候能有反權威的空間去培養那樣的勇氣呢?已經缺乏教育,要不是沒有遇到一些事,大概也不容易;偶而陸續看到社會新聞,特別是女性遭暴力受侵犯,都不敢噤聲,作為過來人每次看到雖氣又無奈。

再來是學生,當成績掌握在老闆手上,當他知道他反抗沒有人支持;或者是員工,更不用說處在失勢地位者....

2009-03-23 @ 21:43
迴響 from: 陸仁賈 [訪問者] · http://leavatain.pixnet.net/blog
所以說自我思辨能力的提升比群起批評重要的多
2009-03-23 @ 21:43
迴響 from: licia [訪問者]
不過這也是雞生蛋蛋生雞的問題....從現在開始比甚麼都不做好。
2009-03-23 @ 21:44
迴響 from: visiteur [訪問者]
*****
那個副標題是怎麼回事阿 XD
2009-03-23 @ 21:45
迴響 from: 異形 [訪問者] Email · http://stephenalie.pixnet.net/blog
*****
結果



到結尾怎麼變成幫阿同伯講話了?!

Lucifer:因為我這麼敬愛他~~~
2009-03-23 @ 21:46
迴響 from: presario [訪問者]
*****
喔喔 今天的值星官不錯啊~~

台灣已經教改十多年了,每次改造成一堆白老鼠學生,可是老師永遠是對的這個觀念好像還是改不過來。當然不是那種,故意唱反調說老師你說的不對。科學是質疑、假設然後求證,可是當學生連質疑都不會的時候,你要他們怎樣去開始假設、求證。
2009-03-23 @ 21:48
迴響 from: 跑步者 [訪問者]
前20
2009-03-23 @ 21:48
迴響 from: Joky [訪問者] · http://www.peopo.org/puzzles
對不起, 可是我對中間人轉信的事並沒那麼以為然, 還來回了兩次...

我只能說今天結局不錯, 大家都滿意。但傳話過程若有失原意, 那是在解決問題還是在製造紛爭??

第一次寄給李老師可以說是引用正確的內容指正他的錯誤, 但李老師的回信該名網友是否該負點責任, 自己去查證一下是不是婚禮用歌, 而不是又將回覆丟給朱大讓他去當 Wiki...然後再把不費功夫得到的答案再丟回去給李老師

我佩服朱大的查證功夫, 但我對這名網友的行為不以為然...



(Lucifer:你可以寫信給那名網友。
2009-03-23 @ 21:50
迴響 from: UZ [訪問者]
在市圖那天晚上問朱大是否有寫信給李伯伯的應該是我吧....

我是覺得朱大和李伯都希望我們的社會變得更好.但是在理念和行動上有很大的歧見.
真心希望有朝一日,你們兩位可以互相理解包容,我想這對彼此和社會都會有幫助的.
(會不會想太多...)
2009-03-23 @ 21:53
迴響 from: 超愛漢堡的王 [訪問者] Email · http://www.plurk.com/afooque
**---
我們怎麼可以阻止阿同伯的言論反將他自己一軍呢?這樣生活怎麼會有趣呢? 

阿同伯真是越老越糊塗了,科科

BY台灣男子漢
2009-03-23 @ 22:00
迴響 from: UZ [訪問者]
PS:那天我是當場直接問的...不是寫信的那個人...所以請不要寫信來給我...謝謝(鞠躬)
2009-03-23 @ 22:00
迴響 from: Steve [訪問者]
突然有個想法, 很期待有一天朱大和李伯伯一起同台演講. 一定非常精彩.
2009-03-23 @ 22:01
迴響 from: 跑步者 [訪問者]
推23樓意見
2009-03-23 @ 22:07
迴響 from: kk [訪問者]
在台灣 衝撞教授等學術權威需要有被當掉的風險
尤其是更為封閉相形保守的的師範體系
(出來的老師也會這樣要求學生 這也許才是造成社會盲從的主因)
當你登高一呼時就被被當做犧牲者或是異類
這時你只能跟自以為高尚的價值當好朋友
2009-03-23 @ 22:08
迴響 from: VIN [訪問者]
*****
值得深思.
2009-03-23 @ 22:10
迴響 from: Joky [訪問者] · http://www.peopo.org/puzzles
等到寫信時才回過來看自己的言論
發現還真的有點過份:P

畢竟他是少數付諸行動去把事實告訴李伯伯的
至少這就比我強了...
呃, 希望我調整過措辭的信會比較適當
2009-03-23 @ 22:11
迴響 from: 彎腰撿肥皂 [訪問者]
這個DearJohn
不會是某個手機、電腦、單車的"數字論壇"上很出名的那位吧
沒這麼巧吧
2009-03-23 @ 22:14
迴響 from: dbfox [訪問者]
*****
個人覺得,學生不是崇拜權威
而是會不斷遲疑,自己是否有記錯、是否正確
而是沒自信、害怕自己的觀點錯誤

如果反駁之後
發現自己說錯,反被笑一頓
甚至被大吼說"回去重看基礎"
那種滋味是非常難受的

小學的時候就曾經被老師這樣吼過
現在幾乎不敢反駁老師任何問題,心裡會不自覺怕被吼
除非是十分確認自己觀點正確 - 但通常很少有那自信...

如果是私底下問,還有點勇氣
但是在課堂、演講的眾人面前
要"反駁"實在很難提起勇氣...

- 路過的膽小狐狸上
2009-03-23 @ 22:16
迴響 from: 失憶老人 [訪問者]
講到保守的師範體系,不巧鄙人我就是其中一員。
在十幾年前某次註冊(洩露年齡…=.=),由於一些超級混的教授的課乏人問津,系主任想出一招:要加選一門他們的課才能註冊。
大家都抱怨連連,既不想加選那門只能拿來睡覺的課、也不敢去向系辦爭辯。
當時個性宛如暴風雨的在下,氣沖沖回宿舍寫了一封陳情書,想親自交給系主任。
或許是午飯時間,系辦無人,我逕自把信整齊的放在系主任桌上就離去。

內容大約是說,感謝系上為我們的學習費心,希望我們能多選修以充實自己;但是主任也許低估了我們的判斷力,認為我們的成熟度還不足以了解自己的方向…之類的話。
但是年輕氣盛,措詞也許比較強烈一點。
總之我被室友批了一頓,說我不該忤逆老人家,讓系主任不高興…
沒有人支持我就對了~ 囧
第二天廢除了這項不合理規定,大家都順利註冊。

沒有人再提起這件事,不再批判我、但也沒有支持我。


我只是想說:想做自己認為正確的事,就要有「孤軍奮戰」的體認和勇氣,不要為他人的閒言閒語浪費自己的精神力氣。
By 當年語文系的"追命"~ (哥們給取的綽號)


Lucifer:請問鐵手、無情和冷血在哪裡?
2009-03-23 @ 22:34
迴響 from: 秋名山之恥 [訪問者]
*****
今天才在公司挑戰權威...
對方的論點被我推翻...一整個啞口無言...
我想...我很快就得去睡車上了...

但是!對的事就是要說啊!!
絕對不能讓嘴砲王統治世界啊!!!!

p.s.偶愛陳綺貞...(羞)
2009-03-23 @ 22:35
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
那本人要感謝一下二技時通識課程的一位老師,因為某次本人在問卷調查上的最後一題"對於本問卷的相關建議"寫上.......請老師以後不要再讓我寫這種無聊的問卷了.......囧"(我沒有被當~)
或許我天生反骨,不過我從高中就自己賺學費了,請問有人可以了解那種"我是花錢拿學東西,不是花錢來這裡吃便當、打瞌睡兼聊天的"...我都坐第一排,隔壁絕對不會有人跟我一起坐,想找我聊天我也不會理他。我功課不是頂好,但是我盡力而為...因為錢是自己辛苦賺的!老師教的不好我會生氣!覺得浪費了我的錢!
所以如果有機會可以打老師的評量我也會很誠實,也曾經因為這樣而得罪其他同學,我只能說道不同不相為謀。

而且,我沒有因為對抗老師而被當過XD!

其實,誠實說出自己心中的想法沒有那麼困難,說話有很多種方式,像朱大這樣多好,說不定李教授正在某個螢幕前看著朱大說著敬愛他而科科笑。說不定李教授真的會因為某個人寫的email而開始用其他角度思考也或許不會.....who knows.....我只知道永遠不開始去作的話,你永遠都不會知道結果是什麼!
-----------------------------
to:vita
基於本人是這樣的熱血又機車,電腦就像正妹一樣,是非常難搞的啊XD!
一切的一切都是因為錢花的不夠多啊......囧"
遜爆的阿六仔外包客服竟然說沒有辦法回覆我(也不留我的資料),叫我自己再打電話過去問,但是何時會有答案也不確定,還給我冷笑.....自己不會去上網股溝一下有多少人一直在反應VISTA接ITUNES8.0會當機嗎?
不來幹攪一下我實在會睡不好XD!
然後明天開始要努力賺錢,不是存錢買一台IBOOK(比較便宜入手)就是買一台新的MP3.......囧"

最後是我今天突然想到......我明明說要灌WIN98......為什麼.......為什麼還是VISTA.......囧"
2009-03-23 @ 22:46
迴響 from: 羊皮狼 [訪問者]
學會懷疑是很重要的阿~
本國國民教育一直都是威權體制不重視思考,所以執政黨才方便控制你。改變就從你我做起。
2009-03-23 @ 22:46
迴響 from: 失憶老人 [訪問者]
報告!
那是2位數理系哥們和一位本系學姐,大家都結婚生小孩去了吧~
四大名捕退休了…
2009-03-23 @ 22:48
迴響 from: rattan [訪問者] Email
首先,謝謝Joky的來信提醒,
不過我並沒有直接轉李家同老師的信給朱學恆先生,只是引述李家同老師的回應。

而我確實也只像一般不會積極求證的民眾一樣,
我也不認為自己做了什麼特別的事,
真的只是因為我是個好奇心重+行動力強的人,
我沒有特別喜愛李家同老師或朱學恆先生,
對我而言他們都同樣有我十分欽佩的優點,
與我覺得可以改進的缺點。

如同我直接跟朱學恆先生分享我對他的看法一般,
我也有直接跟李老師說我對他的看法,
而在這個過程中,
我覺得我們就是在進行一個有效的溝通,
彼此清楚的表達自己的看法與立場,
沒有一定要爭論出誰對誰錯,
因為最後我們都還是有自己的價值判斷,
所以我非常感謝那天能到市圖聽了那場演講,
放心!我有機會一定會好好看異數那本書的,
呵呵!那才是演講的重點啊!

不過在這篇文章出現我的e-mail address
讓我有些困擾,
不知可以麻煩朱學恆先生把它去除,謝謝您!
2009-03-23 @ 23:00
迴響 from: 能見度 [訪問者]
阿同伯的改變可能短時間內還是那麼的小,因為教育第一線檯面上的認知大概就是如此。任教是個蠻封閉的圈子,總有忙不完的事。一大堆的級務不說,還有改不完的作業、應接不暇的親師溝通、學校額外加諸的行政業務、替學校績效加分的比賽等等,當這些全部要老師們照單全收下,能再額外吸收新知和原先學習到的傳統教育觀相激盪的人士微乎極為。所以,盼望朱大能多多提高能見度,畢竟這種與學界大老相抗衡得言論實在太少了。鼓掌致敬!
PS:我是很希望能多向班上家長推薦這邊,不過這些男子漢的大貼圖實在讓小女子我很難對家長振振有辭的引薦。想請問:除了這邊,有沒有普及的web?
謝謝!

Lucifer:不久之後要出書啦,可能比較好讀一點
2009-03-23 @ 23:04
迴響 from: 老公很雞巴的小婦人 [訪問者]
或許對李杯杯來說,愛爾蘭和蘇格蘭,平平都是蘭,沒什麼差別。就像瑪格莉特一直說自己是白俄羅斯人,卻總是被很多主持人介紹為來自俄羅斯,怎麼講都講不通一樣。
2009-03-23 @ 23:05
迴響 from: 路人甲 [訪問者]
*****
只能說太震撼了
2009-03-23 @ 23:16
迴響 from: Lu123 [訪問者]
*****
當有人將自己定位為 "全能的專家" 兼 "社會良心的代言人" 時,總讓我感到警鈴大響,更必須不迷信權威和小心求證。
2009-03-23 @ 23:33
迴響 from: 賈不妙 [訪問者]
*****
哇塞,
看到最後突然覺得
其實老杯杯氣度不錯,
又回頭想想 會不會沒有"有使命感"的權威太少,
迫得像李杯杯 李遠哲(又是一個一李杯杯!)基於使命感跨界說話?
那如果朱大一切都是為了這個梗鋪的局,
我只能說 朱大你很強,
我真的有被你罵到了...
自從我寫一大堆給馬英九沒回應以後,
什麼有良心的事,
什麼對上級不對的事應有的抗衡 都不見了....
好吧.... 有空再來寫信給大官們
畢竟我不是高爾夫高手曾雅妮
只能多寫幾封 看高層會不會注意到 XDD
2009-03-24 @ 00:25
迴響 from: Black Sabbath結晶體 [訪問者]
*****
阿銅伯出問題了,而我也回來了,yeah
2009-03-24 @ 00:25
迴響 from: 有些偏激 [訪問者]
這首歌是有在葬禮上用阿 (wiki的controversy的部分)
李教授說小心一點也沒錯阿,國宴上這種"正式"場合拿出來唱,可能有點風險,畢竟不是所有"外國人"的背景都有很濃厚的愛爾蘭文化

你所提供的連結都是私人部落格,wikipedia,youtube...這些來源都要小心,他們不代表絕對的事實

最後,你有貼一個連結到"An Irish Wedding Blessing" 這跟普通Danny Boy版本不同
歌詞是選自聖經詩篇128章 (Psalm 128)這首詩是對家庭的祝福; this piece of information is irrelevant.

最後我同意這首歌並不是只有喪禮才能拿出來唱

(版主居然沒有經過rattan同意就把他email貼出來...)

(Lucifer:拿維基百科不一定對來做這種質疑太弱啦,請證明李家同說的是對的吧~~~
2009-03-24 @ 00:30
迴響 from: Black Sabbath結晶體 [訪問者]
阿桐伯自己打自己巴掌之外,
我最賭爛還是他那種文化種族主義的思想

棒球與工業那個言論真是讓我發笑,
乾脆說"恰恰沒有李家同重要"算了
(無須提高層級用王建民來比喻)
看恰恰粉絲們會不會讓駁他,哈
2009-03-24 @ 00:31
迴響 from: Danny Boy [訪問者]
*****
或許大家都犯了以偏蓋全的毛病了。
有沒有可能喪禮都是唱Danny Boy第二段後的歌詞,婚喜慶都只唱第一段的歌詞就不繼續唱了呢(至少朱大貼出來的youtube都只有唱第一段的歌詞)?請大家也耐心去看一下歌詞吧。
還有,Wiki也說了Danny Boy是海外愛爾蘭人"標識身份的歌曲"(unofficial signature song),同時也是美國愛爾蘭人廣受喜愛的喪禮用歌。所以囉,我猜這首歌一定有著非愛爾蘭人所無法認知的多重意義的。周圍有人認識愛爾蘭人嗎?幫忙去問一下吧。理解文化不應該是這麼straight forward的。
2009-03-24 @ 00:38
迴響 from: GM [訪問者] · http://gm911.pixnet.net/blog
真的很酷~ 我覺得人不管怎樣不能失去挑戰權威的勇氣!雖然這是周遭一直要我們背棄的東西
2009-03-24 @ 00:56
迴響 from: RR [訪問者] · http://roseroo.spaces.live.com/
*****
在台灣,反威權這個應該是培養獨立與批判性思考的動作,
已經被某黨給汙名化了。
甚至於,這個黨與其信徒,也在搞威權制。
不支持我就是xx同路人,以及信徒們對黨所釋出的訊息(例如某某某賄選、貪汙、要賣呆丸子等)
則是深信不疑。

同樣的現象可在某些重度水果fan boy身上看見~

所以,李家同犯錯,誰之過?


當然是馬陰囧要負責啊(菸)
2009-03-24 @ 00:59
迴響 from: mic [訪問者]
哼哼哼~~前 100000000000000000000000
=.=b
2009-03-24 @ 01:03
迴響 from: 王中之王的王 [訪問者]
幹!身為一個姑息者,我被感動了!!

好!!
2009-03-24 @ 01:50
迴響 from: noodle K [訪問者]
是的~~
Danny Boy 也可以當做婚禮祝福之歌
"太太永遠不會錯
這句話永遠不會錯"


只要網友不認錯
網友就沒有錯
2009-03-24 @ 02:33
迴響 from: Beelzebub [訪問者]
*****
說到質疑權威這件事
讓我想到我大一剛開學的時候
曾經"建議"過兩位教授的課程內容
能否更符合同學的背景和需要時

平平都是系上必修
一樣都是女性教授
一位很坦然的接受並修改課程內容、換課本

另一位
從大一把我當到大四
最後大四的時候問我今年有要畢業嗎?
我說要考研究所她才讓我pass...

我只能說
對權威或上司提出"建議"時
選個好時機比較重要

比如說那是個通識課,被當沒關係
或者私下對上司提出對公司有利的部分這樣~
2009-03-24 @ 02:54
迴響 from: 路人 [訪問者]
***--
這篇文章加上回應讓我想到V怪客...

李家同風度算很不錯了,家裡有老人的就知道,
要老人認錯有多難...

失憶老人舉的例子,有當過兵的應該都能體會,
當你要伸手拿香蕉,還沒被電到,已經被其他
猴子打趴了..

朱恐龍這篇文章寫的很好,敗筆就是大圖
穿太多,連頭都包起來了,只能給你3分~~
2009-03-24 @ 03:28
迴響 from: woo [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/mypage/woo12
未看先推...瑜亮情節?
2009-03-24 @ 04:57
迴響 from: honeybee [訪問者]
陳綺貞 rocks!
2009-03-24 @ 05:15
迴響 from: elaine [訪問者]
以前唸二技時,每學期末都有教學評量
我們班也很大膽的請老師不要上課程以外的東西
免得只要是他的課,我們的課本就會永遠是白的,考試都考英文克漏字測驗(那是工程類學科)
下場就是研究生把對老師有問題的問卷整理出來給老師看...班上好像沒有因為這件事被當,但成績有被打I要幫老師做免錢工人才會過

另一堂課是隔壁班同學直接在老師扯廢話時,傳紙條給老師請他開始上課
聽說老師就臭臉走人(是另一堂課)

有雅量的老師實在有點太少了~

我有去市圖那場演講
心裡一直有感觸,也許我的"不發問"家庭教育也是其中一個原因

"小孩子有耳沒嘴"

如果我以後有生小孩,我也期許自己記得小朋友是會思考也會說話的
2009-03-24 @ 07:14
迴響 from: 儒生朱厚宅 [訪問者]
*****
1997年有遇到過講錯話說炎帝是燧人氏的老師,在強恕高中

我立即在課堂上指正了

那時全班同學的反應是沒反應

光榮的決戰三有這樣一段話:白鶴是吉祥的象徵,牠本身卻不為群體所見容,

所以我宅xd

(Lucifer:期待他人的反應與應和不是男子漢,我們只要自己覺得對就直接衝了~~~
2009-03-24 @ 07:25
迴響 from: ickai [訪問者]
遙想高中時期
導師約談我說過的話

你想革命?要有把鮮血灑在地上讓人走過的心理準備

這些年來灑了不少狗血 還好命大
2009-03-24 @ 09:26
迴響 from: 人生四十才宅開始 [訪問者]

軍有軍閥 學有學閥 官大學問大哉

莫鐵齒 現在一吃完鳳梨 就軟牙了


2009-03-24 @ 09:47
迴響 from: SillyDuck [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/sillyduck
為了確認究竟李家同是個怎麼樣的人,我決定親自去聽他說話,所以昨天我去聽了一場演講。感想其實沒那麼憤怒或悲哀,但也很沈重:

1. 其實他沒有那麼壞,演講充滿主觀論述是真的、邏輯有些地方有問題也是真的,對71歲的人,懷抱著讓國家社會進步的夢想也是真的,但方法、思考的確有待商榷。如果以我看,他的演講才華跟思辨能力,其實還是有中上。

2. 而他真正令我佩服的,是他71歲,在同輩的人裡頭,受過威權教育、經歷近代中國/台灣史,其實他的思想在同輩中可以說是前進,只是方向對不對、是否跟得上時代潮流,是另一個問題。

3. 但真正讓他今天在新聞上常常說一些奇怪的話、對一般人產生影響力的,其實是台下三百個人,多數人會因為他是教授、他是校長、他可以講些批評時政的話而感到新奇、崇拜,甚至在進場時就開始拍手,其實是這整個系統與社會造成的。這另一個程度顯示了,我們的社會其實還是習慣階級、頭銜、人云亦云,卻很少針對其思想、內容、演說以及行動作確認。如果一個社會不夠進步,當然其所崇拜的偶像也不會是太進步的人。當然還相信偶像這件事情,也顯得多數人的心靈深處還是像國中小生一樣的,需要更強的權威引領自己。

4. 聽完後,我覺得大概是沒救了,不只台上那個人,還有台下那三四百人。我覺得沒救的主要原因是:我認為走向未來唯一的道路是獨立思辨跟群體共識合作,但當多數人都還是停留在偶像崇拜/被崇拜,並在思辨能力上仍有侷限時,能期待的並不多。

5. 我們這個世代能作什麼?我們能夠開始把獨立思考的能力傳給大家,並鼓勵彼此互相溝通與挑戰,形塑屬於新世代的工作與合作文化,或許好的未來,會在這一點一滴中逐漸形成。

2009-03-24 @ 09:54
迴響 from: 宅男子 [訪問者]
我愛陳綺貞~~~~
她是宅男女神眾之一
2009-03-24 @ 10:05
迴響 from: 光宅元年 [訪問者]
我錯了,為了對阿桐伯報歉我決定出飛機前請阿桐伯去 馬勒戈壁 看聖獸草泥馬。
2009-03-24 @ 10:07
迴響 from: ㄎ ㄎ ㄎ~~~ [訪問者]
英文不是我的強項,所以我也看不太懂

但是如果他的研究生如果跟他辯論起來,說不定會被他當掉,永遠不用畢業了吧

2009-03-24 @ 10:09
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/baabuu
*****
***
閱畢~~~
2009-03-24 @ 10:32
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
****-
馬太福音第七章十五節:
“你們要防備假先知。他們到你們這裡來,外面披著羊皮,裡面卻是殘暴的狼。”

Matthew 7:15:
“But, take heed of the false prophets, who come unto you in sheep's clothing, and inwardly are ravening wolves”

Teminator“The Sarah Connor Chronicles” Season1. EP08 24:12
2009-03-24 @ 10:33
迴響 from: Artoo [訪問者] · http://artoowang.blogspot.com/
朱大您好
小小建議,文中用的詞「一昧」,應該是「一味」才對
謝謝!
2009-03-24 @ 11:23
迴響 from: Juan Lai [訪問者] · http://j.cards.twirc.org
台灣教的英文很多都是文學英文
生活英文貧乏到很可憐

學英文的目的不是為了寫作文
更不是為了考作文吧

而是..
怎麼在餐廳點到自己想吃的菜
科科..
2009-03-24 @ 11:30
迴響 from: ruaypalm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ruaypalm
*****
>>(Lucifer:期待他人的反應與應和不是男子漢,我們只要自己覺得對就直接衝了~~~)

==========================================

推~~
雖千萬人 吾往矣

不過我還是常常做不到
每每期待他人的反應與應和
來滿足自己大大的虛榮與心虛......

2009-03-24 @ 11:30
迴響 from: 影仔 [訪問者]
*****
綺真最高!!!
2009-03-24 @ 11:45
迴響 from: 城 [訪問者]
話說某一日,上班中,突然被全公司被大老闆叫去考試,考一些會計名詞.
看著考卷上的莫名奇妙的英文縮寫,心中有一個聲音響起,干!恁爸又不是會計考我這個做什麼?
可是當時的我,就跟坐在李杯杯課堂上的114位同學一樣,屈服了,不敢跳出來跟大老闆說...這干我屁事.
為了五斗米,還是要折一下腰
2009-03-24 @ 11:46
迴響 from: Al [訪問者]
前幾天看李敖在電視上說蛋頭學者與Marilyn Monroe的由來
今天又看到這篇文, 感受更深
2009-03-24 @ 11:47
迴響 from: 小小洋ㄦ [訪問者]
***--
李敖之前有在節目上翻譯過Danny Boy這首歌,文辭挺脫俗優美!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB2eov-QhS4&feature=related

李杯杯還是要回去看他自己的那本"一切從基本做起",再回去上四年級的國文課把基本打好!
這年頭好多人說錯話都不負責任的,不知道都在講什麼鳥蛋~
2009-03-24 @ 11:58
迴響 from: swanky [訪問者] · http://swanbear.blogspot.com/
有人知道陳綺貞今年為什麼沒有去春浪嗎? @@"
2009-03-24 @ 12:05
迴響 from: 李家同的學生 [訪問者]
你錯了,李家同的學生無時無刻不在想辦法挑戰他,礙於學生自己的學識不足,往往百戰百敗;

我現在就來挑戰你的論點:
1.按照投書聯合報的外文系老師的說法,Danny boy一開始是用在哀傷的場合,你不否認吧?不否認繼續往下看.

2.既然Danny boy一開始是先用在哀傷的場合,所以之後用在各種場合的時間點是比用在哀傷的場合之後對吧?對了請看3

3.所以結論Danny boy是先用在哀傷的場合然後才被人用在其他場合,當然也包括婚禮.意思是說在若干年前,有人開始把Danny boy這首歌用在其他的場合包括婚禮,喜氣的場合.不否認請看4

4.在Danny boy從哀傷的場合轉為被用在喜氣的場合的這個時間點,用的人可能是因為不懂Danny boy原本是該用在哀傷的場合所以才導致他誤用在喜氣的場合;除了這個原因我想不出別的原因了,也許轉用Danny boy的始作俑者並沒有別的意思,但是他就是誤用了;只是這個小小的錯誤被延用至今;大家也就覺得不在意.請看5.

5.李家同年數不小了,如果在他年輕的年代,Danny boy依舊是被使用在哀傷的場合,而若干年後他發現了:奇怪,這首歌為什麼會被用在不該用的場合呢? 不論如何,他的認知就是這首歌應該使用在悲傷離別,他有錯也只是跟不上潮流而已,且忽略了原來別的國家的人也會犯這種錯;但是閣下難道又可以證明Danny boy這首歌在若干年前開始被使用在其他場合包括喜慶的時候不是因為使用的人不懂這首歌該被使用在哀傷的場合而誤用嗎?

6.你文章裡面提到的中國人容易向威權低頭,這也不是最近幾年的事情了,是幾個世紀甚至千年的文化,你把錯指向大眾也似乎太過偏頗.大部分的人一輩子沒離開過台灣,在台灣受教育,而台灣又深受中國文化的影響,容易向威權低頭是在所難免,但是我肯定你開了第一槍,因為我這篇文章也做了跟你一樣的事情.

Lucifer:挑戰權威很好呀。但你不可以輕易只挑戰一個權威.....找個教授來講講話你就相信了。Danny Boy出版於1913年,原文說明「"Danny Boy" was intended as a message from a woman to a man」,跟什麼哀傷的場合沒啥關係。那些都是後續的人的詮釋的一種。難道有人在喪禮上唱鄧麗君的何日君再來這首歌她就是只能在喪禮上唱的歌嗎? 告訴你為什麼永遠打不贏李家同,就是因為你以上這些論調沒有一個有證據的,都是你以為你以為。這麼弱哪裡打的過李家同!都是你以為你以為,零分!給我回去找證據!
2009-03-24 @ 12:21
迴響 from: aya [訪問者]
不是非常非常相關的內容,不過這次的St. Patrick's weekend我人在巴非特老家Omaha的某家sport bar.因為坐在靠窗邊得以觀察大家的醉姿(而且我不能喝酒所以很無聊,只能聊天跟射飛鏢),到了十二點前後就有很多瘋狂的正妹進來,而且大家都會在差不多的地方吐...

我不能理解啊~~我那單單純純的spring break為什麼會變成這樣...

Lucifer:我早就跟你說要去拍上空照了!
2009-03-24 @ 12:30
迴響 from: 小小洋ㄦ [訪問者]
***--
李敖評論李家同

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHqjUMs7-uk&feature=related
2009-03-24 @ 12:46
迴響 from: 挑戰朱大 [訪問者]
*****
依朱大的邏輯,應該很歡迎別人對你言論思想的挑戰了,對於朱大的看法,大家有不同聲音嗎, ??????

(Lucifer:當然是如此,而且最好多一點~~~
2009-03-24 @ 13:00
迴響 from: bill1712 [訪問者] · http://blog.udn.com/bill1712
哈哈,罵不到我~~

早在3/18,我就幹勦過這位大教授的「普通知事缺少會出大醜」理論,發表於3/18,http://blog.udn.com/bill1712/2757281,雖然只有少少的60人看過。

Lucifer:現在有多六個人看耶~~~
2009-03-24 @ 13:15
迴響 from: BILL1712 [訪問者] · http://blog.udn.com/bill1712
樓上的我幫朱大回一下~
1.朱大當然可以戰,任何人的言論都可以被挑戰。
2.戰不戰是看意義,如果想閒磕牙就戰阿,這裡不會封你半個字,不過李大教授是自以為全才的權威,朱大是阿宅中的阿宅,挑戰哪個方向就看你了。

戰一個阿宅,輕鬆廉價又沒什麼責任,整個網路上的民意論壇,都是這樣選邊站的勒~~
2009-03-24 @ 13:31
迴響 from: DD [訪問者]
根據資料顯示,這首歌是另一位李杯杯敖的最愛~~但是,他認為是為父送子從軍之作,......

戰吧
2009-03-24 @ 13:45
迴響 from: 李家同的學生II [訪問者]
個人贊成李杯杯的意見,李杯杯的重點並不是這首歌,而是應該小心播放歌曲吧?不管這首歌到底優不優美,歌詞中提到讓人不舒服的字句,播放這首歌就是一個失敗的選擇,不是嗎?

另外 學好英文要會寫文章跟考試考作文,這是兩碼子吧?

再來就看看棒球以及工業技術,敢問這位大大,你認為棒球真的比工業技術重要嗎?如果你認為'是',你以上說的那些都是白說的。李杯杯的意思並不是打壓棒球吧?而是政府對工業技術的漠不關心,這才是文章的重點吧?如果你認為棒球是比工業技術重要,我倒是想聽聽你的論點。
補充一下,關於棒球與工業技術,李杯杯是有詢問過學生的,為什麼會輸、為何徵招不力,李杯杯寫文章前可是都有跟學生好好聊聊。

李杯杯門下的學生並非'無言之輩',我們常與李杯杯辯是非,並非你講的都無意指正。難道,李杯杯沒想過文章寫出來會遭人批判嗎?當然想過,也知道。李老為何仍繼續寫文章?不就是要讓政府去注意。

看到你批評李杯杯的'良心'教育,我簡直快看不下去,李杯杯幾乎把他時間都用在教育弱勢小孩身上,這可不是李杯杯用嘴巴說說而已,親自編寫教材,親自教學,暑假李杯杯也會帶領他的研究生去失聰學校服務。我想與其你在這邊空口說話,何不身體力行呢?

談談你的挑戰權威好了,我承認我們不能對權威低頭,但是為何而挑戰?在我看來你不過是為挑戰而挑戰罷了,這樣有何意義呢?

Lucifer:

李背背錯的你都說不是重點。連這樣也要曲意迴護,可見我國學術派閥多麼嚴重!

我認為棒球技術和工業技術不能比,如果李背背跟你們聊過還寫這種文章,那就跟我說的一樣,你們這些學生很該檢討。

至於什麼政府注意之類的,都資政了還要政府注意,你以為我們第一天納稅是吧? 李背背什麼親自編寫教材之類的鬼話我都聽過很多次了,你要不要問李背背這麼努力幫助貧童,他給聯合文學出的那些文法書怎麼都是版稅收的笑哈哈呢?為啥不送給這些貧童?

至於我做了什麼?哼哼,你可以打電話問李背背在這麼多年慈善事業總共捐了多少錢,老子跟他比起來恐怕並不遜色。

為何而挑戰?因為他錯了。因為他有那麼多像你這樣能力不足又無法分辨是非的支持者用似是而非的論調支持他。我之前就說過了,李背背不要把他學生的能力不足怪罪到全社會來,如今一看你們果然很有問題呀!
2009-03-24 @ 13:51
迴響 from: DD [訪問者]
不論是何種感情,這首歌要表達的message 是

至死不渝

如果,訊息沒有被體會到,也只是吵"死人"而已!!!
2009-03-24 @ 14:06
迴響 from: 被呼了好幾個巴掌 [訪問者]
*****
好想念李健鴻老師呀!!
2009-03-24 @ 14:10
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]
手好癢...可惜最近很忙,我只發表一個回應好了。

重點並不是這首歌,而是應該小心播放歌曲?
>>那就不應該針對歌下評論

歌詞中提到讓人不舒服的字句
>>由於國情不同,對此我不發表評論...

學好英文要會寫文章跟考試考作文,這是兩碼子吧?
>>的確是兩碼子事,不該把英文跟競爭力畫上等號。
意思是:英文=競爭力 競爭力=/=英文
不是沒英文就亡國了,那只是學習知識跟溝通的工具。
其實我之前有在上英文,老師好心告訴我。讓我學好英文的東西不在課本上。就算把字典背熟了,沒有知識與嘗試你還是學不好英文。因為重點不在英文,而在於你怎麼用英文把你知道的事情說出來,多看看雜誌、你自己的原文專業書籍,如果你都會了,也不用來了。

棒球與工業技術
>>我不發表評論,我覺得是角度問題,看你站在棒球還是工業技術的角度。不過我兩樣都不是很懂,所以跟我沒關係。

我想與其你在這邊空口說話,何不身體力行呢?
>>我假設你沒看這個部落格的習慣,阿宅們做的事情可多了。

在我看來你不過是為挑戰而挑戰罷了,這樣有何意義呢?
>>我就是這樣看你的;小朋友,回去讀書吧。
叔叔最近很忙,你跟朱大還有部落格上的叔叔阿姨去買雞排跟板凳慢慢玩齁。
2009-03-24 @ 14:18
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]
補充與更正:

義大利文=競爭力=西班牙文=競爭力=法文=競爭力=英文=競爭力....(略) 競爭力=/=英文
"沒有知識與常識你還是學不好英文。"
2009-03-24 @ 14:23
迴響 from: Sasha [訪問者]
希望李資政端出具體的學習英文配套措施
考題可以改善,在上者要提出方法啊!
完全言之無物!文法全對又有何用?
2009-03-24 @ 14:54
迴響 from: GuestK [訪問者]
***--
朱大您好,我是您部落格的訪客。

我用的是中華電信3.5G網卡上網的,但最近發現您的網站把我擋在門外,我的畫面出現這樣的訊息:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /lucifer.php on this server.

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Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Server at blogs.myoops.org Port 80


我是掛proxy才能在這邊看到您的大作並留言的....。

可否麻煩您檢查一下哪裡出問題了呢?因為我檢查自己的網路設定、語言設定都沒問題。

上自己人的網站還要掛proxy,感覺就像偷偷上DMM找AV資訊或國外色情網站抓檔一樣,很有罪惡感...。

另外,聽說Yahoo!奇摩有統計部落格排名,不知這裡可不可以勝過「丸」把刀?

(Lucifer:之前遭到中華電信3G使用者惡意攻擊,所以系統工程師必須要這樣做,你換一個IP應該就可以啦~~~
2009-03-24 @ 14:56
迴響 from: ponda [訪問者]
*****
回應某樓~
今年綺貞4/4在新加坡有演唱會
剛好跟墾丁的眾多音樂祭衝到
另外純推陳老師~女神(尖叫
2009-03-24 @ 15:24
迴響 from: 亨利 [訪問者]
突然想起小時候唱的驪歌也是這樣
很多人都把它當成畢業才會唱的歌(甚至是出殯)
結果剛剛去googlge發現
他是蘇格蘭民謠
這歌在國外是跨年必唱的曲目之一

這種不同文化之間產生的衝突因該避免嗎?我想李家同教授太武斷了沒有這種文化衝突我想離歌怎麼
聽就只是一首好聽的歌而不會是大家聽到會回想起
小時畢業的那種感動
2009-03-24 @ 15:44
迴響 from: 山神 [訪問者] Email · http://godjack0709.blogspot.com/
*****
朱大來選台北縣長啦!我一定投你!
2009-03-24 @ 15:55
迴響 from: firefly [訪問者]
給李家同的學生II :
你們的戰力真的挺弱。
1. 自己比較看看李杯杯的貢獻和OOPS的貢獻,我想你就不會說出"空口說話"這種無知的言論。

2. 都已經說了棒球和工業科技是兩回事,不能也不需要拿來比,你也硬要比?連看文章都不會,難怪出題會考作者原意是什麼....唉

3. 你其實比較像是為了挑戰而挑戰,而且其實寫文章之前的聊聊只是在糾錯和收集資訊罷了,換句話說:學生被利用而不自知。
2009-03-24 @ 16:31
迴響 from: 路人甲 [訪問者]
就像安徒生的童話故事[國王的新衣]所說的,要說出國王沒穿衣服很簡單,但是沒有人有把握國王事後會不會惱羞成怒,命令全國以那件[新衣]做為制服或國服。
2009-03-24 @ 16:44
迴響 from: chuchu [訪問者]
吃燒餅沒有不掉芝麻的,問題是名嘴教授常常是書袋掉不成,猛掉芝麻。
所以名嘴和名嘴教授們,麻煩先把芝麻掃一掃,閉門思過一下
2009-03-24 @ 16:55
說到"教育弱勢小孩",有沒有人這週六(3/28)跟我一起去那羅部落教小朋友英文或是電腦阿!!
2009-03-24 @ 17:37
迴響 from: GuestK [訪問者]
不好意思,這要怎麼換啊...?( ̄□ ̄|||)a

如果真的沒辦法那我就掛proxy吧。

多謝朱大的解惑回應。
2009-03-24 @ 17:43
迴響 from: 豬豬人 [訪問者]
李杯杯的學生:
要不要轉告李杯杯直接派主將上場了。
你們這些小兵真的很弱....
2009-03-24 @ 19:07
迴響 from: 傑森 [訪問者]
恩恩...這篇很有意思的文章。

不過因為本文涉及有關"Danny Boy"這首歌,也說是愛爾蘭民謠。

剛~~~好,我姐夫是愛爾蘭裔美國人,所以我馬上不惜重資打越洋電話給他,詢問"Danny Boy"這首歌的事情。

以下是幾個重點:

1.這的確是愛爾蘭的歌,內容大約是在愛爾蘭,一個兒子即將離開貧瘠家鄉遠渡重洋、悲傷父親所唱的歌,哀傷可能在他有生之年再也見不到兒子歸鄉的痛楚,所以才有"If I am dead..."這樣的悲傷之語。

2.我問姊夫這首歌唱的時機,他說這首歌的確不只是在喪禮上唱,其實很多場合都會唱,應該說是不限場合都可唱吧?我的理解是,比如像"望春風"這樣的歌,雖然有點悲傷,但是在一些場合唱出來其實也不會被認為殺風景,比如我姐姐以前就曾在他們家族的家庭聚會唱,據說有些人還被其優美旋律感動到流淚(雖然聽不懂)。

3.這首曲子好像也有被改編其他歌詞的樣子,我姐夫有稍微提及,不過我沒細問。

4.不過,姐夫有提及"其實很多愛爾蘭人不喜歡這首歌"。我問其原因,他說,因為這首歌少了"愛爾蘭的味道"!在美國移民多的地方比較多人唱,但是在愛爾蘭原鄉,唱的人比較少。我姐夫以前在日本當兵(美國海外駐軍)就曾被日本友人要求唱來聽聽。

最後,我問他"喜歡這首歌嗎?"

"不喜歡,因為沒有愛爾蘭味,就像你姊姊很討厭在紐約市區吃中國餐廳,因為中國味盡失"。
姊夫這樣回答。

不知道這樣有沒有讓大家釋疑?

(Lucifer:另外補充一個原因,作曲者是英國人.....囧
2009-03-24 @ 19:18
迴響 from: 不良小涼 [訪問者]
****-
回文歸回文,也別回那種增加戰火的文,
人家還願意且有膽來這裡發表意見(挑戰權威)也算是不錯了,
說什麼人家弱不弱…在學中嘛。
只希望別在那說人以偏概全結果自己才以偏概全,
我們要看的是有水準的討論啊~
ps.別以為掛著「李大師的學生」的招牌就認為自己臉上也有光嘿!
李大師的成就只屬於李大師他自己的。
2009-03-24 @ 19:22
迴響 from: iamnotgm [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/iamnotgm
*****
我想起之前看過的一句話
好像是出自鋼彈OO吧?不確定
總之那句話是這樣的

"因為開槍的不是自己的手,所以就沒有罪惡感了嗎?"
2009-03-24 @ 19:32
迴響 from: 呼拉圈 [訪問者]
*****
上面這句話不是澤木晃對實相寺碧說的嗎??
2009-03-24 @ 20:27
迴響 from: 拉歐 [訪問者]
少了阿同伯 台灣社會就少了很多樂趣啊
2009-03-24 @ 20:41
迴響 from: 達爾 [訪問者]
寫得很好~李先生跟朱大都是我尊敬的人~
有讀過書的人應該知道
越是專家他懂的也只有那一小部份
而且還只是目前還算正確的知識

想知道教育現況
問第一線的小學老師總比大學教授
來得實際
孔子不是也說
要學種花
我不如老農夫

2009-03-24 @ 20:56
迴響 from: 矢不德 [訪問者]
*----
你們該看一下科學人雜誌啊
提升一下自己的知識水準
再來放啊
2009-03-24 @ 21:56
迴響 from: 利墨 [訪問者]
1.對於音樂我是外行 聽完了音樂沒有特別喜惡感
2.對於這件事 我認為實在沒什麼好爭吵原因如下

從小我們都被灌輸長大要當什麼(至少我是這樣)卻沒人告訴我們所選擇的職業背後的"社會責任"
醫生不該只是坐在椅子上開開藥方而是要主動關懷病人
老師也不該只是一堂課教完等著下一堂課等著放寒暑假 而是要知道自己所教的是否適合學生...等等 太多例子可以說了

主觀來說 大家都有錯(朱大 李教授 我 其它人..)
客觀來說 大家都沒錯(歌又不是我們選的 關我們屁事)
最後我想表達的是多思考一下自己職業背後的"社會責任"
或許這個社會可以更美好一些
2009-03-24 @ 22:03
迴響 from: 囧星人 [訪問者] · http://maiblog.thx4jp.com
*****
今天只想來說一句
你的文章從來都是很親切詼諧又好懂
苦了你還要特別多寫一堆文字來跟智障溝通
2009-03-24 @ 22:07
迴響 from: Joseph [訪問者] · http://ccucclin.blogspot.com
*****
好緊張,這是我第一次在朱大的部落格留言。

事實上,我之前也想回覆你幾篇關於「阿桐伯」的文章。我是覺得,畢竟他算是台灣社會當中正面的力量,而朱大又貴為宅神,很多宅宅都把你的話奉為圭臬,所以怕你的這些文章會有反效果。

不過這篇文章真的一針見血。以前我也當過他的學生,如果我發現哪裡有錯誤,我會盡量婉轉地轉告他。我想我們這個研究領域的學者應該都有能力自省,而且事實上我發現老師他也都能聽的進去。據我的經驗來說,他投書媒體之前都會徵詢很多學生的意見,不過幾乎他的徵詢對象都會同意他的論點。所以說,大家都有責任這是真的。他也絕對不是那種聽不進去別人意見的人。

問題就在目前的教育環境吧。我們國家教育出來的學生對於是非的判斷能力還不夠,事實上我也覺得我還差得遠。說真的,大學四年畢業後能有足夠的智慧辨別事情的是非對錯就真的很好了。

回到阿桐伯這邊來,我覺得儘管他的用詞或是舉例有不當的地方,至少用意是好的,而且也引起了大眾的注意。「在座的各位」更應幫他的忙,而不是只是附和著他,那可是陷他於不義。

個人淺見。朱宅萬歲!

p.s.: 我也好想去聽你的演講喔~哪天來中正大學啦
2009-03-24 @ 22:56
迴響 from: BlackTea [訪問者]
您好,我回應個與文末有關但是被忽略之處
陳綺貞演唱會照片,為"非允許拍照時段"的作品
(該演唱會僅有一首歌的時間是開放可按快門)
麻煩您撤下
謝謝

Lucifer:喔,啥?
2009-03-24 @ 23:12
迴響 from: Frank [訪問者]
李杯杯其實是一個很健談,很喜歡跟別人互相討論,交換想法的人.
每天都在不斷的吸收新知識,相對也會感到自己的知識不足,學習會讓一個更感覺到自己懂的東西真的相當的少,相對的更會覺得現在年輕人的確是缺少了某些東西.他出發點並不是想說明自己博學多聞吧,而是他對年輕人的見解吧,這應該是無絕對的對或錯.
我想善行並不是捐的錢是否多或少,我想跟他私底下聊個天會比從報紙,新聞或演講中更容易了解他.沒有人是百分之百完美的,但他的心意是好的.
一個旁聽過他的課,也問過他問題的學生...

Lucifer:都說愛爾蘭不要講成蘇格蘭了你還在那邊沒有絕對的對錯。 吾愛吾師,吾更愛真理,李家同顯然沒教你亞里士多德的這句話對吧? 你要不要去問一下李家同他上次跟我私底下聊天的時候說了什麼~~~
2009-03-24 @ 23:13
迴響 from: 李家同的主將學生 [訪問者]
上次應該是你promote一個計畫被他reject吧.不過我有個學弟下午有po說你因為計畫被他reject之後就開始槓上他的文章怎麼被刪除了?

Lucifer:這麼說不完全正確,應該說是李家同是開放式課程找過的義務審查專家裡面唯一跟我要錢的。帥吧。
2009-03-24 @ 23:39
迴響 from: 李家同的主將學生 [訪問者]
抱歉阿,學弟說他後來沒有留言,因為另一個主將跟他說老師不希望揭人隱私,大家當作沒這回事吧,繼續討論~~加油


Lucifer:事無不可對人言,發生過的事情沒有不可以說出口的。你們不要客氣嚕。
2009-03-24 @ 23:45
迴響 from: 李家同的主將學生 [訪問者]
抱歉阿,我上面兩篇有關計畫的回文是錯誤的資訊,我也順便約束了學弟們,請他門不要再發表文章了;老師是影響甚鉅的人,自然可受公評,我們應該吸取各位社會大眾的批評指教,如果對於版主有困擾在這邊至上12萬分的歉意
2009-03-24 @ 23:56
迴響 from: 啊~ [訪問者]
台灣教育的最大問題之一就是我們被教育要服從權威,而從學校到工廠再到公司的辦公室,也一再用暴力或接近暴力的方式,讓我們知道挑戰權威會受到什麼處罰。
阿同伯的故事有兩面意義,趣味的部分是他是個常說錯話的好笑老頭,恐怖的部分是很多人把他說錯的話當真,而且遠比笑話他的人要多出好幾倍。
2009-03-25 @ 00:10
迴響 from: 山神 [訪問者] Email · http://godjack0709.blogspot.com/
*****
完了,文章好像被推死了= =
2009-03-25 @ 00:21
迴響 from: 腥先生 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/n366119
盲從,還有純粹情緒的批判,這也是很多年輕人對老人家絕望的地方
2009-03-25 @ 00:23
迴響 from: 啊~啊~ [訪問者]
剛看完上面的留言,突然想到如果我自己的指導教授說錯話,我大概也沒種指正他吧,在台灣幹這麼不知尊師重道的事可是會被「破門」的。
2009-03-25 @ 00:26
迴響 from: 笨蛋!問題在你自己沒腦! [訪問者]
『更之前吧,還記得李家同又對小四學生考中文文法這件事情發表了意見嗎?

http://www.csie.ncnu.edu.tw/~rctlee/article/980307.htm

奇妙的地方在於,這個題目說老實話,並沒有那麼難,好歹我還可以回答出幾題來。

排比和映襯看起來都沒這麼難。』

這真是他媽的廢話,你又不是小四的學生,會這些題目需要拿來說嘴嗎?

李家同的原意是說對於小四的學生來說,這些題目根本是不洽當的。
小學四年級能夠讀通淺顯的白話文不就很好了?
學些這麼深入的文法作啥?

李家同說過很多話,有對的、有不對的,照單全收的人是自己沒有判斷力。
抓住別人的錯誤之處就窮追猛打,很了不起嗎?

那些在旁不知所云的附和喊燒的沒腦屁精,
你們又作過什麼偉大的事、說過什麼深富哲理的話?

李家同有說過,他說的都是對的,要你們照單全收嗎?
自己沒腦,人云亦云,突然發現有誤,便惱羞成怒。
怪誰?怪自己沒腦吧!

(Lucifer: 「你們又作過什麼偉大的事、說過什麼深富哲理的話?」 從這句話就知道你根本不懂什麼叫做批判精神,難道我要變成神才能夠批判基督教嗎? 另外,你要不要把這句話寄給李家同:「抓住別人的錯誤之處就窮追猛打,很了不起嗎?」
2009-03-25 @ 00:29
迴響 from: 山神 [訪問者] · http://godjack0709.blogspot.com/
*****
怎麼看起來是樓上最怒@@
2009-03-25 @ 00:50
迴響 from: 不良小涼 [訪問者]
怪哉?朱大的文章中不就是說「我不是說李家同有錯,而是在座的各位都有錯。」

我以為這篇的主旨是在討論台灣目前教育的通病是「沒有批判能力」以及「盲從」怎變成了什麼「李家同的主將學生」的嘴砲場?

上面什麼「笨蛋!是你們自己沒腦」所說的不就只是把朱大的討論重心以比較通俗的方式打出來嗎?

還是我完全會錯意了?誤會了朱大寫這篇文章的意思?

朱大文裡還有這句話呢
「就跟那些他媽的每次都寫信來叫我罵李家同的人一樣!
你自己為什麼不寫!你為什麼要放棄自己批判教育制度的公民權?

說穿了,我們都該被罵。
2009-03-25 @ 01:22
迴響 from: 異形 [訪問者] Email · http://www.gameevolution.com.tw
數年後


一位朱杯杯出來了


會有人挑戰他的權威嗎?(菸)
2009-03-25 @ 06:10
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
原來主將這種頭銜是可以自己取的→我是我們家的主將廚師XD!



因為我家只有我一個人.......囧"
2009-03-25 @ 07:53
迴響 from: 非關李家同的學生 [訪問者]
支持樓上不良小涼的說法


另外,關於李家同對於朱大英文競爭力那篇的回應

"因為完全是不值一讀、東拉西扯,
不知所云的文章....
這位部落客向來是為反對而反對,
也講不出什麼有內容的東西來。"

其實是完全可以預料的。


第一,"英文競爭力"那篇的敘寫手法的確是東拉西扯,無關緊要的廢話和圖片太多。又參雜許多次文化的用語,敘述上更充滿諷刺釁性的言詞(或說是朱式詼諧?當事人可不這麼認為)

以李杯杯的閱讀能力來看,如果當初是轉貼"誰之過"這篇會比較好,至少在此篇朱大要表達什麼比較清楚。


第二,朱大在"英文競爭力"裡反駁李家同的依據"以英文為官方語的國家經爭力不如台灣"

我認為這算是刻意偷換概念的辯證法。
關於偷換概念
http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E5%81%B7%E6%8F%9B%E6%A6%82%E5%BF%B5&variant=zh-tw

這好比是

"沒有努力就沒有成功 --> 企業家第二代不需努力也有事業,拾荒婦每天辛勤工作也沒成功 --> 努力個屁"

這種推論


至於"考選擇題沒有用,要會寫英文文章才算學好英文"這句話基本上沒錯。

但和"無法獲得資源的窮學生"牴觸,只能說是政策錯誤。政府不應該用考試,而該用其他方法來提升學生的英文程度。


李家同"英文不好 乾脆別念大學"這篇文章的重點在於"英文不好、數學好,根本無法在現代社會存活,乾脆不要念大學"

"乾脆不要念大學"一言有很多種解讀方式。在朱大"大學生真的需要被拯救嗎"中,不也認同英文對於職場的重要?


以上


Lucifer:我哪裡有認同英文對職場的重要啦,你要不要回去重新看。 這些政策都是蛋頭學者影響的,事後又跳出來說這樣真糟糕。 唉唷,就說你們這些人寵壞李家同,你看這不是都用行動證明給我們看了嗎?他說的什麼東西不管多武斷都有很多解讀方法,也都沒錯,這不是很荒謬的事情嗎?
2009-03-25 @ 08:08
迴響 from: Beotos [訪問者] · http://www.gamebase.com.tw/mybase/kenneth1991
盲目跟隨「大師」
只不過是另一種迷信

不過我看這文的篇幅如此長
朱大叔
你應該有肚子的怨氣吧= =?

媽的
現在要去上學



Beotos…
2009-03-25 @ 08:25
迴響 from: 差一個字差很多耶! [訪問者]
原文是:『我不只是說李家同有錯,我說的是,在座的各位都有錯!』

怎麼有人截成:『我不是說李家同有錯,而是在座的各位都有錯。』

還有,批判精神又會不會被濫用呢?
指著別人罵容易,但是因為幾處言失,進而全盤否定一個人,這樣會不會太超過了?
抓著幾處小辮子,就要把人鬥倒、鬥臭,讓人聯想到什麼?
不就是紅衛兵嗎?

一個人不必變成神才能批判基督教,但是一個人就可以全盤否定一個宗教嗎?

李家同或是任何人的言論,都可以被挑戰、也應該被檢視。
但是,李家同有他自己的言論自由,他認為什麼重要於什麼,那是他的個人觀點。
他錯了、被抓包,指出他的錯誤不就好了?
至少,他敢說出它的想法,不像有些人只會慫恿別人出來開砲。
我想問的是這些『死道友、不死貧道』的東西,你們都真的這麼沒種嗎?


(Lucifer:沒有一個人的挺身而出,就沒辦法否定一個宗教啦~~~李家同的失言又不是一次兩次了,Danny Boy的失言上了聯合報半版耶,這種動輒一個失言讓整個社會震動的人還要這麼輕易待之,顯然你還是沒懂村上春樹那篇演講的概念呀~~~
2009-03-25 @ 08:41
迴響 from: 傑森 [訪問者]
*********
(Lucifer:另外補充一個原因,作曲者是英國人.....囧)
*********

阿你說的是真的嗎?
我下次再不惜重資去問一下我姐夫好了,看看是不是真因為這個原因才不喜歡。不過以昨天的詢問推論,大概很多愛爾蘭人不知道這首歌的原作者是哪國人才是,不然以我親家還有在捐錢支助IRA的份上....(大誤)應該說那麼多愛爾蘭人都能唱(不管喜不喜歡),大概也不會是這個因素吧?
祝好
ps:不管朱大的言論如何,我想在一籠鰻魚內放一隻螃蟹是有助於鰻魚群的活潑健康的(爆汗....)。

Lucifer:唉呀你本來就該跟你姊夫常聯絡吧!
2009-03-25 @ 08:56
迴響 from: @@ [訪問者]
*----
你說他什麼在埔里教小孩英文平均了很多機會,但你有沒有想過那些在埔里之外,無法獲得資源的,那些被他一昧鼓吹英文能力等於競爭力之後,因為灰心喪志而學不好英文,甚至放棄了升學道路的學生怎麼辦?

難道不在埔里,沒有李家同照顧,就活該倒楣要被犧牲在他的英文能力等於競爭力的荒謬言論之下嗎?

這段話是什麼意思??不明白,那朱大師認為應該怎麼做才是對的呢?


Lucifer:不要再盲目強調什麼英文等於競爭力這種荒謬的言論了,我很久以前就說過啦~~
2009-03-25 @ 09:05
迴響 from: 一個言失讓整個社會震動? [訪問者]
『這種動輒一個言失讓整個社會震動的人』?
是我不在這個社會之中,還是這個社會也太輕浮、太容易動搖了?

還是要重複一下,挑戰權威(甚至不是權威也該被檢視)是求知應有的態度。
但是因為言失而全盤否定一個人,就未免太過了。

村上春樹的那段話?
我本來就覺得他很矯情,沒有獎金他會去領那個獎嗎?還附帶了一篇拐彎抹角解釋自己為何要來的長篇大論。

PS:還有,陳綺貞那張照片到底有沒有版權的問題?網友質疑後,朱學恆回的:『喔,啥?』是什麼意思?

(Lucifer:哇,半版篇幅和後續的電子媒體報導還要不承認對社會造成影響,我倒要看看你們可以替李家同曲意維護到什麼程度了,可以繼續扯呀!還全盤否定哩,你跟李家同開過會還是我跟李家同開過會?要比批評李家同的資格我比在座的都要有親身經驗,結果老是這些旁觀者嬌縱李家同~~~嘖嘖,果然都證明我說的沒錯呀!老子這邊的東西有版權問題都是歡迎來告的科科科~~~菜兵,你第一天上網嗎?
2009-03-25 @ 09:30
迴響 from: Nowe [訪問者]
不知道為啥會扯到言論自由去
言論自由已經等於不負責言論了
有沒有李家同為了自己錯誤的言論而出來道歉的八掛??
2009-03-25 @ 09:37
迴響 from: 小安 [訪問者]
*****
朱大這篇文章的戰鬥力超強
只要有李家同,朱大自動進化為賽亞人

其實,網路上,朱大是李家同文章最大的推手
平常網路上看到李家同的文章
我的腦筋會自動執行"無視技能",忽視,跳過
因為,我不想浪費時間
總要直到上朱大的網頁,才知道李家同又發生了什麼趣聞
我曾經看過的李家同文章,全都在朱大的網頁上讀的

我突然感覺
蝙蝠俠和高潭市的壞蛋

朱大和李家同(或是...)
有種相似的共生關係

2009-03-25 @ 10:12
迴響 from: godspeedlee [訪問者]
李家同批評小四國文的事件我到覺得很中肯,
我不記得小學時有學過這種東西,當然用力去猜的話大概我也能猜對幾題(我剛剛也實驗了一下),不過這也不能證明李家同的說法完全是錯的(我比朱大小一歲,我不記得有唸過這種東西)

假如不是文字工作者,或是熱愛閱讀小說散文之類的人,大概都是一看題目就楞住了

那更不要說4年級小學生了,這些小朋友唸過幾本書阿?

而且老實講,現在出社會誰看你的國文能力?倒是有一堆要求你TOEIC要幾分幾分,e-mail只准用英文寫的公司(就算過了10年之後這些小四生長大了中文會變強勢語言,也沒公司要看你中文程度阿)

硬要鞭阿同伯,大概也只能拿他上課中扯這件事來鞭

因人廢言,因言廢人都不是什麼好事
2009-03-25 @ 10:54
迴響 from: godspeedlee [訪問者]
***--
剛剛有去看一下關於英文跟競爭力的那篇,如果用挑語病的方式來看,英文等於競爭力是錯了,那如果我改個說法說「英文跟個人競爭力」有關呢?各位會不會反駁我?

拿幾個英語系鳥國家來反駁沒什麼說服力,怎麼不反過來想想世界上有多少講英文可以通的強國?

如果朱大沒有這麼出色的英文能力,又怎麼能夠翻譯魔戒,去MIT旁聽,去國外開會?還是說朱大身旁都是英文高強人士(所謂的一般人?),所以覺得英文好是稀鬆平常不需要特別強調?(這跟李遠哲曾經說過博士學位是全天下最沒有用的東西有異曲同工之妙?)

還有別拿日本人來扯了
台灣一堆英文教學書籍還是從日本翻譯過來的,一堆日本名人也是不斷強調英文有多重要..



Lucifer:就是因為我英文很好才覺得李家同的偏頗之言是廢話,你以為我英文好就是成功的資格嗎?
2009-03-25 @ 11:33
迴響 from: 私心 [訪問者]
加油李伯伯的學生們
朱大是很好被電倒的
做為一個男子漢
有錯認錯,挨打站好
很簡單的麻

不過一般來說主場優勢這種東西是存在的~(茶)
2009-03-25 @ 11:40
迴響 from: 不良小涼 [訪問者]
一個權威說錯話時,在被指正之後能夠坦承錯誤是好。
(我們的李盃盃就有做到,鼓掌表示敬意)
但是我有個問題,一個權威說錯話,跟一個死老百姓說錯話的差別在哪?
最大的差異不是在於受影響的人數嗎?
那李盃盃這一類的權威(甚至高階官員之類),每說錯一件事,就影響到多少人?尤其是在這資訊傳播發達的年代…
縱使我們在這討論個十天八天,甚至一年半載,最後運氣好還有了結論…又能有多大的效用?
我們只是遊走於網路的死老百姓,就算我們討論出個結論,也不會有媒體這類管道幫我們傳出去,
假若說錯話然後知錯的權威不自行去糾正,那這些結論、過程除了逛過這網站的我們以外還有誰知道?
難道身為權威說錯話,就能只是知錯,而沒有其他補救行動來彌補過去失言所造成的傷害嗎?


Lucifer:身為權威說錯話還有很多人回來支援唷!
2009-03-25 @ 12:08
迴響 from: mar [訪問者]
個人競爭力跟英文沒有全然的關係,它很重要但不是全部,英文不是唯一的一條路。
學英文是為了跟外國人溝通,跟外國人溝通機會極少的行業,英文又要到多厲害?
語言夠用就好。
我的英文也很糟,但我還是能在社會生存。
社會上不應該只有一個標準,
一定要有A才會是B,
條條大路通羅馬。
英文精通-->有競爭力
中文精通-->有競爭力
廚藝高超-->有競爭力
知道怎麼種出茶王-->有競爭力
超會投伸卡球-->有競爭力

不是否定英文重要性,但不應該為了強調英文重要性,否定其他能力的重要性

我一直覺得學英文就是溝通做生意,以前英文系國家強盛,是他們捧錢來下單。我們學英文沒話說,現在他X的萬惡美國、先進國家不知道欠了幾兆,國債中不少是亞洲國家買單,競爭力?!

亞洲國家是命賤嗎?人家來賺我們錢,還要曲意奉承講英文~
2009-03-25 @ 12:24
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
偶朋友說要徵友,本人推薦她來這個阿宅精英集散地,順便先幫她貼一則啟示:
1.身高173以上(偶跟她推薦朱大身高180)
2.沒有禿頭(偶跟她說朱大沒有禿頭)
3.年齡差距四歲以內(她是68年次的.不過我忘了朱大幾年次的.....囧")

and,套句PTT常用語:以下開放報名XD!
2009-03-25 @ 12:56
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
很棒的分析 (Y)
但是我覺得必須考慮到兩個問題
比例原則與文化差異

舉一個例子 假設論述「愛河很髒 總不會有人想在愛河裡游泳吧?」 結果真的有人在裡面游泳 但是大多數人不會這麼做 如果因為有人在裡面游泳而推翻上面的論述 不符合比例原則

再來是文化差異 簡單的例子 日本在婚宴上的禮金是用白包 而在台灣白包卻是告別儀式上使用 雖然國外有人在婚禮上播放Danny Boy, 但在台灣的文化上一定適用嘛? 我對這一點是懷疑的


Lucifer:囧.......你拿明朝的劍斬了清朝的官了~~~
2009-03-25 @ 12:59
迴響 from: 雪人 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/Snowman220
奇怪....大家幹麻一定非得要執著在英文咧??
以目前美國這麼巴結中國的情形來看,
應該是要美國人來學中文才對吧~

尤有甚者, 目前中國的經濟力受到世界各國矚目, 大家學中文好賺中國錢都來不及了, 要不現在也不會有那麼多人跑到中國學中文...
(但是繁體中文仍是台灣的一項驕傲阿~連中國人都要學)

說到底, 語文是一種溝通的工具, 主要的重點應是在於如何有效與其他國家的人溝通, 這才是學語文的中心目的吧....
(寫英文 EMAIL 有啥了不起, 習慣之後, 每天寫的內容都是大同小異啦~~痛苦的是要開會, 國人的至大弱點在於, 不敢開口說...)
2009-03-25 @ 13:09
迴響 from: XL [訪問者]
每個人對髒的忍受力不同滴~~
台灣也有外國人的婚禮,國際觀啊!老兄
2009-03-25 @ 13:11
迴響 from: 失憶老人 [訪問者]
修辭這種東西是可以敎的,但是在小學不需要非常強調。
「修辭學」是研究如何修飾語言與文章之美的一門學問。(←『實用修辭學』、國家出版社印行)
所以我覺得在小學階段,可以敎修辭,但是出題要有技巧;或者甚至可以不考。

如果李先生認為小4學修辭太困難,那是他低估了孩子的能力;
如果反對敎修辭的其他人,所持的理由不過是「因為我小時候沒有學,所以我的下一代也不需要會」的話,我是這樣想的:

如果我們做每件事,都要前人有做過,我們才能做;那麼我們能做的事,就很有限。
我們要如何期望下一代超越我們?

只要在每一課課文中提醒孩子注意修辭技巧,在作業中反覆練習,小4也能學會修辭。
我的經驗是:
上學期剛接手小5,他們在課文中找到的修辭技巧,比我找到的還多還要仔細,讓我這個敎了十多年低年級,早把修辭拋荒的老師汗顏呀…
2009-03-25 @ 13:55
迴響 from: 潛水夫 [訪問者]
TO ninny:
印象中,朱大超過180,不止180公分。
印象中,朱大小偶十歲,偶素54年次的。

給妳做參考。
2009-03-25 @ 14:05
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
又回到比例原則,這是國際通俗的禮儀嘛?
那要不要學習日本的習俗送白包啊? (文化衝突)
國際觀不是這樣用滴啊!老兄 XD

Lucifer:Danny Boy其實是耶。大家查證清楚再來好不好,用功很重要~~~
2009-03-25 @ 14:39
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
嘻嘻!早就說朱大是愛李老的,你們就不信,朱大承認了。有沒有人看出來,朱大是藉李老來修理各位的:若不是大伙老是通風報信告訴朱大說李老又出包了,骨子裡想過朱大修理李老的癮,朱大會在短期內連批李老嗎?朱大你被陷害了。
所以朱大你也有錯,雖然po文一次說個夠,你也知道,要改變一個老人家是很難的,你愛他就是接受他的一切,包括他拉的屎、口臭、日益退化的腦袋、皺皮、依老賣老的說教,所有這些你我到老都可能發生的現象,都要預習接受,此其一。
朱大愛一個人就要列舉出他的優點,免得別人誤會你只是修理他的局部,就被誤會成對愛人全盤否定,此其二。
2009-03-25 @ 15:57
亂入一下
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from: @@ [訪問者]
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你說他什麼在埔里教小孩英文平均了很多機會,但你有沒有想過那些在埔里之外,無法獲得資源的,那些被他一昧鼓吹英文能力等於競爭力之後,因為灰心喪志而學不好英文,甚至放棄了升學道路的學生怎麼辦?
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關於競爭力不足而灰心的原住民小朋友長大後放棄升學,跑去混黑社會的故事,我在教會有聽過一些。
教會的師母常憂心的告訴我山上的情況,也希望我不要放棄他們。

曾經有位小朋友告訴我,他升國中之後要加入黑幫。
顯然他不知道那是什麼東西,他看到有些大哥哥這樣做,所以他也想這樣做。

他的原住民名字叫做"吼辣", 他當時才小四。


2009-03-25 @ 15:57
迴響 from: 還真的感覺你和李家同有私人恩怨耶? [訪問者]
『哇,半版篇幅和後續的電子媒體報導還要不承認對社會造成影響』
那蘋果日報上面半版篇幅的美女照片也會對社會造成影響了?
有獨立判斷能力的人,自然會判斷什麼是垃圾訊息吧?
這樣就會被「震動」?我還是訝異了這般的輕浮。

『我倒要看看你們可以替李家同曲意維護到什麼程度了,可以繼續扯呀!』
怎麼是複數?我又不認識李家同,難道以為我是李家同的學生?

『還全盤否定哩,你跟李家同開過會還是我跟李家同開過會?』
跟某某人開過會,需要拿出來說嘴嗎?

『要比批評李家同的資格我比在座的都要有親身經驗』
那就當面開砲、吐嘈啊?你應該也不是省油的燈吧?
不過,還真的感覺你和李家同有私人恩怨耶?

『結果老是這些旁觀者嬌縱李家同~~~嘖嘖,果然都證明我說的沒錯呀!』
嬌縱?他是美女嗎?嬌縱他幹嘛?他有錯,就指正。「不因人廢言、不因言廢人」才是我的重點。

『老子這邊的東西有版權問題都是歡迎來告的科科科~~~菜兵,你第一天上網嗎?』
嗯、、、還真的不懂在說啥?

PS:朱大還真的滿有耐心,一直跟大家嘴砲來、嘴砲去的。

Lucifer:我超有耐心的呀,因為每次你們越發言多,越表示你們這一票為李家同辯解的人既不考慮邏輯,也不考慮實證,說的越多,就錯的越多。科科,搞到最後連自己討論什麼論點都忘記了,不就是證明我說的沒錯嗎?
2009-03-25 @ 16:15
迴響 from: mattlovecat [訪問者]
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引用天將奔烈大的文章:
"他的原住民名字叫做"吼辣", 他當時才小四。"

這小朋友的名字連續唸還蠻有魄力的......



抱歉我是來亂的
2009-03-25 @ 16:39
迴響 from: sheepfeather [訪問者]
關於文章最後所使用的陳綺貞的照片,我個人幫前面的Blacktea補充清楚。這張照片是出自今年綺貞的小巨蛋演唱會,而這場演唱會提供了在唱【1234567】這首歌的時段可以給歌迷們拍照,不過這張照片是拍攝於當綺貞唱完【旅行的意義】後騎著小噗噗回台上的時候,就時段來說屬於演唱會所聲明的【非可拍攝時段】,所以希望部落主可以撤下照片。當然,我們沒有權利要求您答應我們的請求去,只是我們希望對於歌手的意願大家可以盡量尊重。

Lucifer:本圖片根本就是盜連的,你跟我說有啥用呀,請洽原攝影者,本人又沒去看這場演唱會~~~科科~~~
2009-03-25 @ 17:09
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
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講真的麻...朱阿宅憑甚麼罵人?因為當過魔戒的譯者?譯的如斯遭也,文采欠佳幾不能卒讀,我翻了幾頁又回去找原文的看。罵人真是容易。不過他怎麼罵,也傳不進李家同先生的耳朵裡,只不過更證實當時李家同先生對部落格文化的事實論述而已。就是一幫偏激淺薄的小朋友,各自在上面發些不成熟的文章,引一些不成熟的人來支持並觀看,活在那個集體中二的世界裡。光是會追打人家一些引用枝節的錯誤,只能讓更多成熟理性的人看這位朱阿宅的偏狹淺薄鄙惡以及庸俗而已,或著根本不會看,有這麼多時間上網路的,大多是廢物或社會的敗類。他仍然在為了弱勢地區的學童努力邁進,仍然在宣揚那宗教心的大愛思想,沒有一官半職,也沒有很廣大的人群支持,至少他們這些幼稚的小朋友不會。你們這些朱阿宅之流還是在打網遊、看正妹(因為碰不到),訕謗時人,醉生夢死,人生活的如此只剩罵人可以與社會正常的發生聯繫,那還有甚麼意義呢?

(Lucifer:戰力太弱,回家重寫~~~人家李家同都加官進爵當國策顧問了你還在沒有一官半職,是用鴿子傳封包嗎?
2009-03-25 @ 17:30
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
科科,我就想你們會不會真的又抓枝節來打,果然如此w

人家是國策顧問,你們是甚麼蠢東西呢。呵呵。網路阿宅最喜歡罵人打筆戰原因就是自卑感強,所以喜愛以壓倒他人來取得一時的滿足感。想到這裡,我不由得同情起來了。

Lucifer:喔喔喔,就說戰力弱了嘛!可不可以稍稍提昇一下!連果然如此後面都可以多打一個「w」,打字技巧也要加強呀~~~
2009-03-25 @ 17:40
迴響 from: 這才是正港的亂咬人 [訪問者]
『譯的如斯遭也,文采欠佳幾不能卒讀,我翻了幾頁又回去找原文的看。』
你譯得會比較好嗎?朱學恆至少翻譯得比其他幾個版本好得多。

『就是一幫偏激淺薄的小朋友,各自在上面發些不成熟的文章,引一些不成熟的人來支持並觀看,活在那個集體中二的世界裡。』
那你是怎麼看到這篇文章的?你又是哪種人呢?

『有這麼多時間上網路的,大多是廢物或社會的敗類。』
全然情緒性的字眼,顯示出個人的器量。

我前面反駁朱學恆的部分觀點;但是樓上的言論,更令人不屑。

Lucifer:唉唷,戰文有很多種,那種超弱的也要認真回,不如多看幾本漫畫比較實在~~~
2009-03-25 @ 17:44
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
請您繼續回復我,表現得越輕薄越傲慢越好。我好瞭解到底打得多中要害。

Lucifer:噗嗤......哈哈哈哈......孩子你都不懂嗎?
2009-03-25 @ 17:46
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
>唉唷,戰文有很多種,那種超弱的也要認真回,不如多看幾本漫畫比較實在~~~

說謊,你還不是乖乖的認真的看我怎麼罵你w

這麼有品你可以當作沒看到啊,我又沒拜託你看,至少你寫甚麼我是一個字都沒看的。另外我也代李家同先生感謝您為他宣傳。


Lucifer:其實我沒有認真看,只是我很喜歡這種鬧版文,增加生活情趣又不用認真回~~~我也代宇宙主宰謝謝你亂灌水~~~
2009-03-25 @ 17:51
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
學人耳語,了無新意。

心中只有鄙惡低俗的人看到只能鬧版,有智慧的人才能從中看出高尚的內涵來。

你能看到的是哪種呢?

(Lucifer:哈哈哈,你打高尚兩個字的時候手會不會抖呀?.....難怪你只能看到我們這些人有多下流了.....科科科....
2009-03-25 @ 17:58
迴響 from: RR [訪問者] · http://roseroo.spaces.live.com/
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>心中只有鄙惡低俗的人看到只能鬧版,有智慧的人才能從中看出高尚的內涵來。

(驚訝)有沒有穿了國王的新衣卻天真的以為自己穿了錦衣玉帶,還說:
看不到的都是窮鬼...

這麼離譜可笑的八卦?
2009-03-25 @ 18:18
迴響 from: 約翰走路 [訪問者]

"心中只有鄙惡低俗的人看到只能鬧版,有智慧的人才能從中看出高尚的內涵來。"


真令人情不自禁地科科笑...

您真是太幽默了!



2009-03-25 @ 18:27
迴響 from: ryan [訪問者]
(Lucifer:這麼說不完全正確,應該說是李家同是開放式課程找過的義務審查專家裡面唯一跟我要錢的。帥吧。)

感覺好八掛可以說一下嗎?!!
2009-03-25 @ 18:34
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
虧我還留了錯句,沒想到沒看您去挑出,這是進步了,值得稱讚。

笑得出來就是還有智慧的,像版主一樣偏激好怒,便是不智了。這個世界是各種真真假假虛虛實實顛顛倒倒的呈現各個個人眼前,唯一確切由自己操控的,便只有各人的心性。有這麼多事情看不慣,最終傷害的仍然是自己。對於他人的一點錯處或瑕疵都不能容忍,天下還有可愛之人嗎?

過去看到王裕民的下場,我就深深告誡自己做人不要太認真。版大比王裕民聰明了一些,可是怎麼會硬要把自己的才華發揮到將來會陷自己於痛苦的事情上?莊子有所謂「不言之辯」,其實正是版大應該虛心學習的之處,虧您的智慧與可算缺點亦優點的反社會人格傾向,該有更好的地方可以發揮,不要變成第二個李敖,就算是也比不上第一個的。

(Lucifer:唉唷,今天因為閣下經常出來耍寶讓整個嚴肅的討論串變得娛樂性好高呀!千萬不要輕易放棄教化我們這些社會廢物的機會呀,你要把握自己做好事的機會呀~~~
2009-03-25 @ 18:40
迴響 from: Jay [訪問者]
我雖然讀的書不多~但我認為網路文章會有一定的可信程度,我相信無限分享、共享會帶來知識繁榮的未來~也感念李伯伯有認錯的悔意!期待他的改變!
2009-03-25 @ 19:03
迴響 from: 私心 [訪問者]
朱大就是朱大,他很難變第二個李赦(沒看他穿過紅衣服)

幹,朱大你的回應好賤
我看了都一直笑

果然是好朱!

朱大發文很有分寸的,等級不夠的當然被電的亂七八糟~(茶)
2009-03-25 @ 19:07
迴響 from: gp99000 [訪問者]
證據力是鐵爭爭的事實,打不贏就只好動之以情了
-敵將常勝者,貶敵將有勇無謀-(咦)
樓上辛苦了

最起碼他們想辦法用證據駁人,李伯伯其實教了不少好學生(認真)

題外話
對於堅持要處女者,兩性規勸說法似乎不同

男:放棄吧,沒那麼容易找.更別說非處女的好女人也很多
女:你以為你不會被騙(冷笑)

此處,意外的與<要嫁有錢人>話題中
兩性所持立場恰恰相反,且說法類似
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我也不知道觀察結果是否符合客觀
總之先說說看(菸)
2009-03-25 @ 20:10
迴響 from: gp99000 [訪問者]
哎呀,是樓樓樓樓上辛苦了才是
2009-03-25 @ 20:13
迴響 from: 無患子 [訪問者]
"有這麼多時間上網路的,大多是廢物或社會的敗類。"

好奇對於『非』廢物或社會的敗類的定義是什麼?

貼人標籤很簡單。不知為不知很難?
2009-03-25 @ 20:35
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]
"有這麼多時間上網路的,大多是廢物或社會的敗類。"
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我很久沒聽到有人這樣罵自己了,小弟最近實在抽不出時間來筆戰(戰到一半抽不出時間來回應會覺得很按。)雖然我之前說只發一篇,不過看到有人花這麼多時間出來戰了之後,又這樣罵自己,一定要出來支持一下。
2009-03-25 @ 21:35
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
怎麼都沒有人要報名跟我同學當捧油嗎XD!
2009-03-25 @ 21:36
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
關於"有這麼多時間上網路的,大多是廢物或社會的敗類。"這句話,我想我只能說.......I will take that as a compliment.


2009-03-25 @ 21:41
迴響 from: 潛水夫 [訪問者]
TO ninny:
我身高夠(曾經有180,現在縮到179)
我沒有禿頭(雖然頭毛看起來不會很多)
我大朱大十歲(超過了四歲太多了)

還有一個重要的原因,不能報名。

偶已婚。
2009-03-25 @ 21:43
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]
to ninny

你捧油列出來的條件不高,不過目前報名人數不多可能是因為你還沒有貼真相。

而且我剛剛聽說我們是廢物或社會的敗類。
2009-03-25 @ 21:53
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
TO:潛水夫桑
貴夫人(不是生機飲料料理機)想必應該不會湊巧有在朱大這裡亂逛吧XD!

TO:DRack
閣下是希望我把真相EMAIL給您嗎?
我沒有她的照片,那下次MSN遇到她跟她要好了



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說到照片...上次拿硬碟去給外面的電腦公司備份...因為那個硬碟上面有毒,我不想接在我的新電腦上XD!
他還問我是要備份照片嗎?
裡面一張我自己的照片都沒有........不過有陳X希的.......囧"
說到這裡,我還沒接到他打電話通知我備份好了沒......囧"
2009-03-25 @ 22:23
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
"Danny Boy" enjoys some popularity as a funeral song for Irish Americans. from Wikipedia
朱大你沒抓到我的重點 這首歌雖然可以當婚禮的音樂 但他同樣也是喪禮在用的音樂 這就要去看比例原則 到底是何者用的多 這是其一
再來的文化問題 如果有人先入為主的在喪禮上聽到這首歌 請問他在其他場合(ex:國宴)上聽到會不會覺得怪? 光拿他可以在婚禮上播放就去否定其他人的言論 我覺得有待商榷


Lucifer:就說你用明朝的劍斬清朝的官了......就跟你說仔細看清楚所有相關記載怎麼寫的再來回文。那照你說的我們都聽李家同講的都好了,不要聽愛爾蘭人怎麼用,都他覺得怪就怪啦,這樣不是更好。
2009-03-25 @ 22:40
迴響 from: 新莊星光團黃小翔 [訪問者]
這裡頭好像有朱大說的

不經意做點小事情 改變全世界的感覺喔!
2009-03-25 @ 22:49
迴響 from: swanky [訪問者] · http://swanbear.blogspot.com/
這篇文章被人轉到PTT綺貞版後
就有些人愛吵說什麼這張是違反規定拍的
演唱會到底可不可以拍照不是大家的共識嗎~
不然我怎麼會拍到那種一堆人拿著相機手機拍照的畫面

很討厭那種一邊按右鍵另存圖片
一邊說你這樣做不對的人~

照片我是用CC授權的
有問題找我就好~

Lucifer:奇妙,沒想到那邊很多人也很愛李背背
2009-03-25 @ 23:01
迴響 from: ken1234 [訪問者]
許多對話真的蠻精彩的!不過我有點懷疑所謂李杯杯的學生們, 包括那位出來展現風度的"主將"會不會都是李杯杯本人啊?換做我是李杯杯, 大概也會用各種化名來這裡捍衛自己吧... 哈哈~~
2009-03-25 @ 23:05
迴響 from:   [訪問者]
比例原則啊...那就舉個台灣喪禮告別式的例子吧:台灣的告別式上演奏音樂可謂千奇百怪,無所不包,不過有幾首抒情曲幾乎已成固定曲目。像是"港都夜雨"或是"台北今夜冷清清"簡直成了葬儀伴奏必備曲目。
然後今天如果有某大師在國家音樂廳,聽到樂團獻給他一首"港都夜雨"就寫文章放炮說國家樂團居然用這種送葬歌曲贈人飴笑大方--請問,有多少人會覺得這種將"港都夜雨"直接和"喪禮"劃上等號的言論表示贊同?
2009-03-25 @ 23:08
迴響 from: GCVincent [訪問者]
延伸閱讀
對愛爾蘭有興趣的朋友,可以去找部電影來看
Angela's Ashes
天使的孩子(台譯)
安琪拉的灰燼(中譯)
參考網站簡介
http://www.ivideo.com.tw/rent_video/video_detail.asp?film_id=4516

讀後心得
我就一句話
高義 你他媽雜碎!

其實這句是在指桑罵槐,解說:「你」是指高義,「他媽」其實是在說第三者的媽,所以不過是叫了叫高義,然後再罵其他人的媽的雜碎而已。正句:「高義,你!他媽的雜碎!」(誤)
http://komica.dyndns.org/wiki/?%E6%88%90%E5%8F%A5%2F%E9%AB%98%E7%BE%A9%EF%BC%8C%E4%BD%A0%E4%BB%96%E5%AA%BD%E9%9B%9C%E7%A2%8E!!!

(Lucifer:高義好像已經死了耶。
2009-03-25 @ 23:12
迴響 from: 史帶雞 [訪問者]
*****
不強要別人改過,要自己省思是否犯了相同的錯。基督教、天主教不等於神,凡夫不等於聖者,凡夫選出來的聖者一樣不絕對等於聖者。學佛跟佛陀學,信天主請跟天主學,不要人云亦云。
2009-03-25 @ 23:13
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]
to ninny
在下交捧油是不需要真相的,閣下可以放心。
不過由於本人目前經濟詰踞的關係,沒有準備多吃幾頓飯的打算。
2009-03-25 @ 23:23
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
no.. 我沒說聽李家同的就好 人都會犯錯 你會我會 李家同也會 你舉的例子都很有道理 我只highlight說這是一個文化問題 你很難去論他的對錯 一首歌可以用在喪禮、婚禮.. 那國宴呢?
就因為它可以用在婚禮 所以他就可以用在國宴上而不用考慮他也是一首會在喪禮上放的歌? 我看不出這兩者的關係(同理 因為它可用在喪禮上 他就不能用在國宴上?) 李家同錯在太武斷(不夠客觀)去評論一件事 而我想朱大也有這個盲點


Lucifer;煩死了,你閱讀能力怎麼差到這種程度,害我還要多打這兩行字~~~~你如果有看前面的資料就知道DANNY BOY是代表愛爾蘭人的歌,你如果要用他對愛爾蘭人致敬是沒有錯的,在各個場合應用也是沒有錯的。這跟什麼文化差異一點關係都沒有。
2009-03-25 @ 23:27
迴響 from: Black Sabbath結晶體 [訪問者]
不強要別人改過,要自己省思是否犯了相同的錯。基督教、天主教不等於神,凡夫不等於聖者,凡夫選出來的聖者一樣不絕對等於聖者。學佛跟佛陀學,信天主請跟天主學,不要人云亦云。
>>>

宗教狂熱者,別搞笑,十字軍東征就為了你們扛霸一句話而已死多少人。

樓上有個姓范的講了堆屁話,跟文革小慰兵好像啊。盲從者還自以為勇者呢。

男子漢行不改名,畏首畏尾難成大器。但我倒想看看你還能謅出些什麼。
只希望范大哥文采不要比我們這些個敗類要差呀。
2009-03-25 @ 23:56
迴響 from: 異形 [訪問者] Email · http://stephenalien.pixnet.net/blog
日本有白包,台灣也有白包
愛爾蘭有Danny Boy這首歌,台灣有Danny Boy這首歌嗎?
2009-03-26 @ 00:07
迴響 from: Black Sabbath結晶體 [訪問者]
李家同錯在太武斷(不夠客觀)去評論一件事
>>>
這就是重點。根本與有沒有幫助別人沒有關係。
兩碼子事!

端看以往新聞,言論中即可發現李阿北以當代大儒自居,試問:他有這樣的智慧嗎?

咱們李北似乎欠缺的理性以及過度自信了。大家應該都很清楚。
2009-03-26 @ 00:07
迴響 from: 呼拉圈 [訪問者]
*****
to Dr.S
回到草率沒經過審核但是很多阿宅都很愛的網路維基百科,維基提到"danny boy"甚至不是很合適的葬禮歌曲,因為不夠莊嚴(是這樣翻譯?)
關於文化問題,就是李大教授太武斷才更可能造成文化問題,因為自以為是的詮釋反而容易造成彼此間的誤會.

PS:很久沒看到這麼隨心所欲的幻燈片了,完全超越了"挈領提綱"的製作原則,完全從心所欲而不舉,我的學生們沒有一個人膽敢做出質素如此低的幻燈片,這個幻燈片完全揭示了台澎金馬高等教育之所以敗日敵德超英趕美的根源啊.


2009-03-26 @ 00:20
迴響 from: 異形 [訪問者] Email · http://stephenalien.pixnet.net/blog
>迴響 from: 呼拉圈 [訪問者]


根據李杯杯的論點來推論:
『受到年輕人喜愛的.ppt,有一些可能完全不合邏輯。』

有錯請指正
2009-03-26 @ 00:32
迴響 from: XL [訪問者]
任何先入為主的觀念,都值得顛覆
2009-03-26 @ 00:38
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
"DANNY BOY是代表愛爾蘭人的歌,你如果要用他對愛爾蘭人致敬是沒有錯的,在各個場合應用也是沒有錯的。" okay
""Danny Boy" enjoys some popularity as a funeral song for Irish Americans." okay
"日人在婚禮上包白包是沒有錯的" okay
所以 依照沒有錯的邏輯 在台灣婚禮包白包是okay的?
這就是文化差異
當他可以是一首在喪禮上的歌時, 在台灣的文化上, 他是不是那麼的適宜在國宴上?

PS. 我想李家同至少贏朱大一點 在對於不同質疑聲音的氣度上

(Lucifer:李家同的年紀還贏我哩,就明明錯了還要繼續堅持,那已經不是有沒有氣度,而是花我時間在解釋這麼基本的答案給你一個人聽有沒有意義。拿你這種不尊重原先文化的心態來討論一首愛爾蘭的歌基本上就已經很荒謬了。你連國宴是一個國際場合的這種基本概念都不知道,要怎麼理解在國際場合必須尊重原先文化的概念?一場婚禮如果是在台灣的日本在台協會舉行,外交部送禮金給新人就該包白包,懂嗎?
2009-03-26 @ 00:41
迴響 from: XL [訪問者]
你想太多了
按照你所謂的比例原則,台灣的國宴上選Danny Boy
的機率幾乎是零
2009-03-26 @ 00:55
迴響 from: Alberto [訪問者]
*****
說到拾人牙慧,聽說有人從筆名就拾人牙慧ㄟ
當然,如果崇拜他用這當筆名也無不可
不過最奇妙的是郭冠英本人頗推崇李敖ㄟ,結果冒牌貨叫人家不要成為第二個李敖,只能帥氣的科科笑了。

看撲客似乎有台中宅聚?

演唱會能不能拍照我是不知道啦,畢竟我對演唱這種是很冷感。不過根據之前常常在小巨蛋打工的女朋友說,基本上小巨蛋場地就是不准拍照(官方說法,每次訓練的時候都會再三告誡工讀生看到拍照要去阻止),不過大部分觀眾還是照拍不誤。然後工讀生拼命被罵,但是不會被扣錢這樣。
2009-03-26 @ 01:04
迴響 from: gp99000 [訪問者]
to Dr.S
你最後的結論已經跳脫文化的層級,變成感覺了

一首能出現在國宴的歌,你覺得用在葬禮合理嗎?

我覺得挺合理的阿,如果共同點是莊重感等等
而不是蕭索及痛苦

少女的祈禱是貝多芬的名曲,會在國家音樂廳演奏的歌(?),你覺得讓台灣人一想到就想起臭酸味合理嗎

我覺得很合理阿?都是垃圾車來最常聽到,在國家音樂廳抱怨這首歌讓他想到臭酸味,不是自己調適不過來的問題嗎


話說我記得開頭阿同伯不是只是因為不喜歡他的歌詞嗎?

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當對方質疑我的地方,是屬於全新論點,目的是要贏的時候,我自己會不知道要不要尊重他

舉例來說,就像論點講贏老爸,他會拿"為我好"跟輩分和"誰養你的"壓我
2009-03-26 @ 01:13
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
史旺基我好想你
2009-03-26 @ 01:31
迴響 from: james [訪問者]
人非聖賢,孰能無過
知過能改,善莫大焉
大家的用心都是為了這個社會
互相凸槽~~求進步啦~~
台灣的#高級知識份子#加油啦~~


2009-03-26 @ 01:32
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
to gp99000

你說到重點了 台灣人聽到少女的祈禱 第一個聯想的就是垃圾車 別的國家卻不會 這就是文化的不同

"一首能出現在國宴的歌,你覺得用在葬禮合理嗎?"
這就牽扯到先入為主觀念 畢竟用在喪禮在先 國宴在後 這是就會有種奇怪的感覺 一個國家大多數人都有同樣的感覺 就變成了該國的文化

李家同認為不適宜的原因 確實是因為他的歌詞讓人(他)感覺不適宜在國宴上唱 這是他的感覺 但他就是武斷的說了他的結論 這也是他錯的地方

這就是我說的牽扯到文化(感覺) 你很難去論對錯 最好不要太武斷的下一些對錯的結論 不然只是變成另一個李家同


Lucifer:國際禮儀和國際常識和你這種自以為的文化是兩回事啦~~~國際禮儀是有其固定必須要遵守的地方,二十一響禮炮就是只能接待元首,議會議長不能接受此等待遇,跟你「覺得」適不適合一點關係都沒有。
2009-03-26 @ 01:38
迴響 from: 路人甲乙丙丁 [訪問者]
>有讀者認為我為什麼沒讓李家同知道這些事情。

>但因為你也知道,我對於寫信給老人這件事
>情......有時不是那麼積極......所以我就建議不如由他做起。

豬大應該自身做起 就像你勇於在網站上寫文章一樣
我想李教授應該接受得了批評 看起來回應也很正面

其實挑戰權威並不重要
重點要挑戰自己

其實你這篇文章 應該很單純的寄給李教授本人
而不是一昧的說大家錯了
是人都會犯錯低

把自己放在置高點 總有一天會跌下來
批評人總是容易低
其實每個人都會犯錯
當自己錯了 能夠勇於面對 就是好事囉

廢話一篇 路人甲乙丙丁




Lucifer:我寄給李家同本人,他又不會公布給大家看~~~現在有三萬多人看到,當然比寄給一個人讓他私下回信要好~~~教育這種事嘛,就是要公開來做才有意義~~
2009-03-26 @ 01:41
迴響 from: 不良小涼 [訪問者]
看了半天,一堆人終究只是在打嘴砲,沒人去討論有關「台灣教育目前的通病」。
只是一直圍繞在「朱大有沒有資格批評」、「李盃盃是否真的有錯」或是「挑語病」之類的言論。

而且還看到一個根本是專門來打嘴砲,偏偏心智不成熟還自以為很「高」的小鬼…

難怪李盃盃在教育界辛苦奮鬥那麼多年,到現在依然要奮鬥…
2009-03-26 @ 01:52
迴響 from: mmx [訪問者]
@不良小涼
因為儒家教育下,發起評論前是要先過問資格的...
2009-03-26 @ 02:17
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
討論這麼久了
大家要不要寫信給禮賓司問一下

我直覺想到國宴是外交部禮賓司負責的啦
所以就查了一下禮賓司的網頁:
http://www.mofa.gov.tw/webapp/content.asp?CuItem=11382

我還找到外交部推廣國際禮儀的講座時間耶
http://www.mofa.gov.tw/webapp/ct.asp?xItem=36670&CtNode=1783&mp=1
那個朱豪宅跟泛籃卿可以去上一下課耶,有上課講話才比較大聲咩

而且我發現,外交部的FAQ服務中,關於國際禮儀的FAQ竟然是掛蛋!!
http://www.mofa.gov.tw/webapp/lp.asp?CtNode=1740&CtUnit=29&BaseDSD=7&mp=1&xq_xCat=F

這裡這麼多有弒之士在討論,但我們的主管部門外交部卻門可羅雀...(可以說台灣的民間生命力真是太旺盛了啦~~~)

對了對了,禮賓司沒有專屬的客服信箱
所以
大家寫到部長信箱去吧~~~~~~~
http://eyes.mofa.gov.tw/public/index.jsp

為了證明我不是一個只會吹喇叭愛放冷箭的俗辣
我先寫了一封信請教部長或禮賓司等相關職掌的長官,希望能得到解答

我的信內容及外交部信箱的確認回涵:



(那個回涵裡點選此連結要點唷,不然他們不會處理)
我想如果我寫錯單位的話,他們也會跟我講說去哪裡哪裡問問題(總統府信箱就是這樣耶)

所以如果很想搶先教訓大家的有弒之士,如果你迫不及待的話,也趕快寫信去問一下,畢竟請願信一多他們會比較關心然後比較快處理啦,不然就只能等他們回我信我在跟大家報告啦..

2009-03-26 @ 02:40
迴響 from: Beelzebub [訪問者] · http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/news/anruse/
*****
To 劉大:
關於你所說的聚會
(無論是讀書心得交流或單純聚聚交朋友之類的~)
個人頗有興趣參加~~~
不過礙於工作之故
如有這類聚會希望可以是星期六或星期日

附帶一提
怎麼沒人來戰了啊?
個人也頗好觀看此類戰文~~~ XD
2009-03-26 @ 03:34
迴響 from: Beelzebub [訪問者]
*****
抱歉因為無法編輯留言
只好多留一篇@_@
朱大,聽說台中會有宅聚?
可以先報名嗎?(舉手~~~) XD
(去的時候可以只負責吃和傻笑嗎?@_@)
2009-03-26 @ 03:40
迴響 from: morntan [訪問者] · http://blog.xuite.net/morn/talkingsofa
真是有趣~~
大教授的學生,竟然還有那麼嚴格的階級制度,
有的是"學生",有的是"主將學生",
主將學生還可以約束其它學生做或不做什麼,
卻始終沒能將一個平常的民謠考據用明確的證據來輔佐大師的意見......

2009-03-26 @ 09:47
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
Danny Boy banned for St Patrick's Day from News.com.au

THE dirge-like Irish classic song Danny Boy has been banned for a month by an Irish pub in New York because it's too depressing and was written by an Englishman.

"It's overplayed, it's been ranked among the 25 most depressing songs of all time, and it's more appropriate for a funeral than for a St Patrick's Day celebration,'' said Shaun Clancy, who owns Foley's Pub and Restaurant, just off Fifth Avenue opposite the Empire State Building.

好吧, 外國的月亮是吧, 這位Shaun Clancy 也認為 Danny boy 呈現是一種depressing的哀樂 相對於St Patrick's Day(一個愛爾蘭人的重要節日) Danny boy更適合在喪禮上播放

PS. 可以伸一下 Danny boy 在任何一個國家國宴上播放過的記錄嘛?

Lucifer:雖然以你之前所講的比例原則,這樣一家之言參考價值略低,但算是認真的討論,再提示一下,找了半天才找到一家PUB禁止這首歌的新聞,和世界各地使用這首歌的例證比起來,要推翻前言的證據力不夠喔~~~~~~
2009-03-26 @ 09:48
迴響 from: 私心 [訪問者]
李伯伯如果只有這一件事的話,也不會被如此敬愛的。
歌曲事件只能算輔助資料而已。
而且武斷的說法是李伯伯吧。(拍拍)

2009-03-26 @ 11:45
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
我前面有提到李家同也武斷的下結論喔 (拍拍)
2009-03-26 @ 11:55
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
TO:DRack

偶捧油很龜毛的,所以不用擔心要約她吃飯這種事XD!本人目前還在努力慫恿她下次參加阿宅網聚勒.......囧"

TO:BAABUU桑
本人本週六晚上or週日上午應該沒有特殊行程,如果沒有下雨的話,看是否方便約個地方拿地毯?
2009-03-26 @ 12:29
迴響 from: 阿拉丁 [訪問者]

有效的溝通很重要, 比較不會傷和氣+1
朱大你的回應好--我看了都一直笑+1
2009-03-26 @ 12:46
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
題外話,當本人看到李教授說別人向他獻的歌詞是『快看到天主時.....』......本人一直覺得那些人是在說"OH MY GOD!"(然後就一直科科笑......難道沒有人覺得李教授是在說冷笑話嗎?)
2009-03-26 @ 12:55
迴響 from: gcku572 [訪問者]
我不想寫信要朱大罵阿同。
可是我想看七龍珠的影評ㄎㄎ。

(Lucifer:沒看怎麼有影評呀~~~
2009-03-26 @ 13:27
迴響 from: swanky [訪問者] · http://swanbear.blogspot.com/
陳健拉為什麼要想我? @@"
2009-03-26 @ 14:42
迴響 from: 電腦白痴 [訪問者]
陳健拉大人向史旺基大人告白??!!
2009-03-26 @ 16:13
迴響 from: 潛水夫 [訪問者]
那果子怎麼辦?
2009-03-26 @ 16:51
迴響 from: vita [訪問者]
就是就是
果子怎麼辦!!!
2009-03-26 @ 18:21
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]
話說....我印象中...
自從上次某篇文章中宅週刊上面
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3078/3150872960_accb242739_o.jpg
"疑似"爆料史旺基單刀直入告白之後好像就很久沒看到了。
不知道最近還有沒其他八卦...
2009-03-26 @ 21:26
迴響 from: mathidle [訪問者]
谢谢朱同学每天精彩的blog带给我们的快乐!求知真是一件让人开心的事
2009-03-26 @ 21:34
迴響 from: 異形 [訪問者] Email · http://www.gameevolution.com.tw
[問卦]有沒有果子小姐求助ゴルゴ13解決問題的八卦?
2009-03-26 @ 23:31
迴響 from: Doctor S [訪問者]
姑且放下對李家同的評判
請大家抬頭看看
照片也好
噗浪也好
再回頭細數李家同相關PO文的篇數
不禁令人聯想到電影裡進入殺人魔房間時
牆壁貼滿簡報塗鴉的場景


也疑似強迫症的病灶


(Lucifer:從發文就可以看得出來跟原來那個發文者不同,等級差太多,零分,回去重寫。
2009-03-27 @ 00:05
迴響 from: 私心 [訪問者]
您的質疑就算不放下對李伯伯的評判
也不會有所影響的

不過說人可能有病這招太老梗了。
下一位
2009-03-27 @ 02:28
迴響 from: Anny [訪問者]
引用gp99000:
"to Dr.S
少女的祈禱是貝多芬的名曲,會在國家音樂廳演奏的歌(?),你覺得讓台灣人一想到就想起臭酸味合理嗎?"

嗯..雖然不太重要
不過還是忍不住想更正一下
"少女的祈禱"是波蘭女作家泰克拉芭達潔夫絲卡(Tekla Badarzewska)的作品喔!
另一首垃圾車名曲才是貝多芬的"給愛麗絲"

2009-03-27 @ 03:23
迴響 from: gp99000 [訪問者]
喔喔~感謝指正
2009-03-27 @ 04:12
迴響 from: 機車妹 [訪問者]
為了問一下愛爾蘭的人的感覺
我就去問了一下一個愛爾蘭老師
他說Danny Boy 好像大部分在喪禮上播放
但因為愛爾蘭人愛喝酒
喪禮上也大喝 所以這一首歌也變成喝酒歌
愛爾蘭人在喪禮上是很enjoy的
但在婚禮上可能較不適合
我忘了問國宴

所以給大家參考一下囉
2009-03-27 @ 04:22
迴響 from: 腥先生 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/n366119
關心時事,多檢視有影響力的名人是好的(因為他們有影響力,就這樣),能正確的做出批判就更是理想了,社會進步正是來自於這種誠實的面對。偏偏有些人就是愛在毀謗和詭辯遊戲裡瞎攪和。
2009-03-27 @ 08:13
迴響 from: 反推 [訪問者]
『評論:婚禮及葬禮音樂須榮耀上帝 http://wf.fhl.net/weslynews/weslynews43.html』
從上述這篇文章可以推論,的確有愛爾蘭人偏好在喪禮中播放Danny Boy。
2009-03-27 @ 08:14
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
老宅男實在看不下去了,
http://ulsterman3.tripod.com/Rory_Dall_OCahan.htm#
原作曲者是死愛爾蘭人,後者的英國人Frederick Edward Weatherly只是將其填上歌詞。
就絕對音樂的精神而言,這首世界名曲已經成為愛爾蘭的族歌,就像花著種美麗的象徵,可以對死人唱,也可以在婚禮奏(要去除歌詞),更可以在醫院對癌末病人哼,反正只要還能拉屎跟生死有關的一切都能演奏。注意!!!!演唱跟演奏是不同的。
2009-03-27 @ 08:46
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
更正”…就像花著種美麗的象徵…”
應為”… 就像花這種美麗的象徵…
老宅男一大早起來還要被你們氣,李家同有什麼錯呢?錯在武斷與主觀的表達方式;朱大有什麼錯呢?錯在Danny boy並非英國人寫的喔!
李家同沒什麼錯呢?沒錯在他的葬禮論點
朱大沒什麼錯呢?沒錯在指出李家同不能老這麼武斷主觀又不加查證
老宅男現在也要犯個錯-對一些年輕宅男說教:這部落格是朱大的,每篇都有上萬人次點閱(猜測多為知識份子自許者),雖然朱大很享受對幹樂趣,但是這裡是朱大地盤,吾人等或不贊同朱大言論,或明知朱大有錯,都應該在登門踏戶時謹守禮節,勿讓斯文掃地,你可以幹譙、可以詼諧、可以下流,但男子漢(或女豪傑)應該在自己的部落格隨你罵得痛快,來人家家裡就要有客人樣子。
老宅男尊敬朱大是因他做的事,不是他說的話或寫的文章,草枝擺。
2009-03-27 @ 09:47
迴響 from: 潛水夫 [訪問者]
勇者無懼,電視有播耶!
下一次播放時間,四月一日早上八點三十五分,在東森洋片台。

應該是這部吧?!
2009-03-27 @ 09:50
迴響 from: 當宅已成往事 [訪問者]
感謝老宅男跟各位大大

宅以為 ,Danny Boy沒有錯,在多數的場合演唱或演奏也沒有錯,但是確錯在對一個小心眼且離上帝很近的杯杯唱

跟權威對幹可能大多數阿宅做不出來,最多只能一邊看宅大跟阿桐伯對幹一邊對著電腦科科笑

依下宅淺見,盲目跟隨權威也沒那麼錯〈就算是明知死路一條,我也願意跟隨亞拉崗攻打魔多〉
2009-03-27 @ 10:12
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
在提一個想法跟大家分享

"少女的祈禱" 與 "給愛麗絲" 這種世界名曲 在台灣為什麼很少在婚宴場合聽到? (甚至沒有?)
因為在台灣一播放這首歌 大家會想到的是該倒垃圾了 XD
這就是文化差異 跟尊不尊重原創的精神無關 純粹是一個先入為主 比例原則(在台灣這兩首曲用在垃圾車場合居多) 以及文化差異(只有在台灣把它拿來當垃圾車音樂)

P.S. 當然 還是要知道原本的含意才是對原創的一種尊重 (不能只知道它是垃圾車的歌啊...)
2009-03-27 @ 10:45
迴響 from: CM [訪問者]
關於DannyBoy的由來,可以參考這篇,總共有3個section~
http://www.standingstones.com/dannyboy.html
2009-03-27 @ 10:55
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
朱大也提到重點 一場婚禮如果是在台灣的日本在台協會舉行,外交部送禮金給新人就該包白包

為什麼? 因為 "要尊重他人的文化背景"
你不能送紅包 然後跟他說 對不起 在台灣我們都是送紅包

但是在國宴上的人 你清楚他的文化背景嘛? 到底他是把 Danny boy 當成是喪禮用曲 還是婚禮用曲呢?
當成後者當然很好 如果是前者 難道還要教育他說 不好意思 這首歌的原意跟喪禮無關

為了避免這種情形 在播放時比較模擬兩可的歌時 最好還是多考慮一下比較適當
2009-03-27 @ 10:59
迴響 from: 雙人枕頭 [訪問者]
"雙人枕頭" 很多台灣人愛唱,KTV唱,尾牙會上唱,喜宴上唱,好像不少政治人物也愛唱,去年去參加告別式,居然也唱這首哦,司儀還在一旁用哀悽的聲音說:"我們倆的雙人枕頭,從此變成孤單一個"...
 
2009-03-27 @ 11:35
迴響 from: 電腦白痴 [訪問者]
"四月一日早上八點三十五分,在東森洋片台。"

愚人節特別節目??
2009-03-27 @ 11:42
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
****-
from: 當宅已成往事 [訪問者]

盲目跟隨權威也沒那麼錯〈就算是明知死路一條,我也願意跟隨亞拉崗攻打魔多〉

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阿拉肛在魔疥裡是哪門子的權威呀
是因為他已放棄的王位嗎?(這讓我想到跑去做生意的有勃耶)
出兵出力的,像莖靈、肛朵、膈漢哪一個沒有比他更威呀
我覺得魔疥裡唯一的權威是魔朵兒
盲目跟隨權威的,是選擇大邊西瓜的邪惡白袍女優巫師之流

阿拉肛是打敗魔朵兒才證明自己,成為權威的

〈就算是明知死路一條,我也願意跟隨阿拉肛攻打魔朵兒〉
〈就算是明知死路一條,我也願意跟隨操操在荥陽攻打鋁鈽〉
〈就算是明知死路一條,我也願意跟隨牛背在當陽抵抗操操〉

有人之所以會跟隨阿拉肛、操操和牛背,不是因為他們當時很威,而是他們的個人魅力,或是他們的主張(Yes! We Can!!)

〈因為拳頭大,我願意跟隨阿道夫淨化世界〉
〈因為女優界現實壓力,本女優願意附和C女優在聯合女優會議封殺T女優入女優公會及重返女優公會案〉
我覺得以上兩個才是跟隨權威
盲目不盲目就不知道了

(我怎麼覺得我這次的發言一整個菊花盛開哩...)
2009-03-27 @ 12:27
迴響 from: 豬豬人 [訪問者]
回DRS:
婚宴是給台灣人聽的-->放垃圾歌不適合。
國宴是給外國人聽的-->放垃圾歌很適合。

其次:
一直先定義DANNY BOY只適合葬禮歌曲-->推論到婚禮不適合-->推論到國宴不合適。

一開始定義就錯誤,推論當然錯誤,論文有沒有這麼好寫阿?
2009-03-27 @ 12:45
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/baabuu
***
TO:NINNY

小的本週六白天參與內湖流浪動物之家活動
[台北市動物之家~3月28日(六)~免費認養日]
1000~1530
晚上原則上是參與樂團練習(如果沒有接到停練通知的話)
1830~2100
週日上午我目前是沒有安排行程....

報告完畢
2009-03-27 @ 12:50
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
dear 豬豬人

你講了一堆我沒說的事 (我有說Dannyboy不適合婚宴嘛? 我舉的參考資料裡面都沒說了)
我講的重點 你又完全看不到
你這樣問我 我不知道怎麼回答你ㄟ
你要不要先把我的論述 還有參考的網頁看完 再來討論?

P.S. 我可以學朱大給零分嘛? XD
2009-03-27 @ 13:07
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
Dear 豬豬人

你文中提到的...

婚宴是給台灣人聽的-->放垃圾歌不適合。(我沒講不適合)
國宴是給外國人聽的-->放垃圾歌很適合。(我沒講適合 我連在國宴放垃圾歌都沒說過)
一直先定義DANNY BOY只適合葬禮歌曲 (我沒講只適合)
推論到婚禮不適合 (我沒講不適合)

全部反對的話裡面 沒有一個是我的意思

建議你順便也把樓上舉到的"偷換概念"看一下
因為我發現你正在很努力的實現它

偷換概念是一個歪曲對手言論的邏輯謬誤。犯下這謬誤者會把對方的言論重新塑造成一個容易推翻的立場,然後再對這立場加以攻擊。
2009-03-27 @ 13:18
迴響 from: MFK [訪問者]
婚宴是給台灣人聽的-->放垃圾歌不適合。(我沒講不適合)
國宴是給外國人聽的-->放垃圾歌很適合。(我沒講適合 我連在國宴放垃圾歌都沒說過)
一直先定義DANNY BOY只適合葬禮歌曲 (我沒講只適合)
推論到婚禮不適合 (我沒講不適合)

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適合的也沒講 不適合的也沒講
似是而非,模擬兩可的所謂"論述"很多,一整個就是YA教授的精髓啊!

星爺說:你到底要我打他,還是打他媽呀?你搞得我好混亂啊啊啊!!
2009-03-27 @ 15:55
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
Dear MFK

又一個要曲解文字了....
我上面都已經舉實際上在國宴放Danny boy可能會遇到的情境 也分析每一種可能了
我沒講嘛? 還是你根本沒看只想戰?
如果你有看但是還是不知道我說什麼 我只能跟你說 sorry了

P.S. 你跟豬豬人快可以成為wikipedia裡"偷換概念"的最佳實例了 加油
2009-03-27 @ 16:23
迴響 from: chuck [訪問者]
這篇真硬...好累...
如果我教授說錯,我敢不敢指正他?
幹!恁爸還想畢業哩...
(結論是..要看人啦!又不是每個教授都能接受)
2009-03-27 @ 16:29
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
Dear MFK

忘了跟你說
言之有物的內容最後帶點詼諧的嘲諷 向朱大這樣 是 okay的
但是看不懂別人文字的重點 回應的內容又言之無物 後面又硬要加自以為的好笑 那就是無料的搞笑藝人了
2009-03-27 @ 16:33
迴響 from: 阿拉丁 [訪問者]

有人沉睡
有人清醒
有人湊熱鬧
這就是人間……..
2009-03-27 @ 16:51
迴響 from: 電腦白痴 [訪問者]
陳健拉大人菊花盛開??!!
這...莫非..與史旺基大人有關??(毆飛)
2009-03-27 @ 16:51
迴響 from: Black Sabbath結晶體 [訪問者]
*****
周瑜:先生既然懂音律,何不與我合奏一曲?
無臠:一點童子功,荒蕪了。

follow此篇至今,像我這般只聽次文化音樂者實在插不上口。
繼續看我的熱鬧。
2009-03-27 @ 17:18
迴響 from: Black Sabbath結晶體 [訪問者]
因為還沒有人要幫李北的意識型態護航,因此沒能夠否定"李北有時候真是老番癲"這個事實。

那首Danny Boy,小弟才在"宅王塾"初次完整體會,沒那個經驗值去置評。沒想到還有這麼多典故,非常欽佩。
2009-03-27 @ 17:28
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
TO:baabuu
很屎的是聽說星期六下午開始要變天溜......囧"
2009-03-27 @ 19:15
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
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關於史旺基的事情
等我將來長點腦紋了在跟大家說吧
2009-03-27 @ 20:26
迴響 from: Mr.lonely [訪問者]
*****
身為一個清華大學的學生
我真的為有這種教授而感嘆
而且我還修過他的一堂課....
真是爛
另外 對於您說為什麼會讓這樣的教授繼續留在那
真的 光靠一個學生的力量不能做些什麼
要號招大家的力量 還被說吃飽太閒....
聯會電人的球館都沒人理了
誰來理亂教得教授?
真的 來到這裡我會說 清大校方 不意外
雖然我很喜歡清華的同學們
我還是對學校感到失望
2009-03-27 @ 20:36
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
不要感到失望,改變學生就從你們開始啊XD!



改變世界‧從我開始XD!
2009-03-27 @ 20:47
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
改變"學校".....SORRY.......囧"
2009-03-27 @ 20:48
迴響 from: 火大的新娘 [訪問者]
新娘不叫愛麗絲


幹嘛喜宴放"給愛麗絲"哩???
2009-03-27 @ 22:29
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
愛麗絲是新郎前女友的名字XD!
2009-03-27 @ 22:34
迴響 from: 火大的新娘 [訪問者]
我也這麼想~~
前女友比垃圾還糟
2009-03-27 @ 22:46
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
閣下這麼說罵到很多前女友喔.........囧"
2009-03-28 @ 00:00
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
沒想到那真的是朱學恆先生本人的回覆呢,因為用詞鄙惡,對人出言不遜,其語氣與程度跟國中生一樣。我開始還很懷疑。在我給他第一篇文章裡面,甚至還沒看出我另外的涵意。我真是失望,甚至還有點同情,如果你去google「李家同」前十頁都還不會出現您網誌的內容來,虧您還敢吹噓如此之多,其膽妄與自大簡直相似於邊緣性人格障礙者,那種攻擊的態度也很像。恐怕你有一個不大好的父親,所以你今日把對父親的力比多(性驅力)轉移到李家同身上。

從這邊回覆看來,我對你的同類的假設側寫是正確的。好險我開始用字就挑狠的。有這麼多人乖乖的看我罵他「廢物或社會的敗類」,我深感欣慰,知恥是值得稱許。

朱學恆再努力多久,還是有天資上的限制。人沒有天份就應該認命,安於本份的去作一些沒有創作才能也可以作的事情,而不是去攻擊比自己有才能亦值得尊敬的人。這樣直接表現給他人自己的本貌,不是可恨,而是可憐與值得同情的。最後我想說,你的外表與你的內在是一樣的。

(Lucifer:哈哈哈,真好,打字整齊了一些,但無意義的程度依舊不變呀~~~不過還是很感謝你娛樂大家。我們很樂被你這種等級的人嘲笑,但你似乎不太會用Google喔,要不要重新搜尋一次哩?
2009-03-28 @ 13:58
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
Dear 范先生

不如您也幫我測寫一下吧 您這麼會批評人的話 (把別人父親拿出來說嘴?)
我的建議是您還不如就事論事的 找些跟本文有關資料來討論吧
不然只出一張嘴批評人這種簡單的事 我想會太貶低你了
2009-03-28 @ 14:26
迴響 from: Dr.S [訪問者]
Dear 范先生

忘了補充, 您的文中中提到
"有這麼多人乖乖的看我罵他「廢物或社會的敗類」,我深感欣慰,知恥是值得稱許。"

你要知道 不回應有兩種
好的是贊同默許 壞的是理都懶想理
我只希望你不要太樂觀的覺得不回應都是好的那一種
2009-03-28 @ 14:34
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
TO:范先生
您的狀況似乎不太好,留言就留言還拖人家父親下水作什麼?難不成您所受的高等教育就是教這些個事?還是您最近因為沒了工作、退休金,還要靠李敖先生接濟,所以心情浮燥,這可得小心啊,最近社會上很多自殺或是殺人的都是這等角色。還是要提醒您,有病就得看醫生!
2009-03-28 @ 15:00
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]
to 范先生:

閣下贅字之多,在下剛喝完咖啡,研讀之後,實感可惜,於是幫閣下稍做整理,以供參考。
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沒想到那真的是朱學恆先生本人的回覆,因為用詞鄙惡,對人出言不遜,其語氣與程度跟國中生一樣 。我 開始 還很懷疑。在我 給他 第一篇文章裡面,甚至還沒看出我另外的涵意。 我真是失望,甚至還有點同情 ,如果你去google「李家同」前十頁都還不會出現您網誌的內容來, 虧您還敢吹噓如此之多, 其膽妄與自大 簡直相似於邊緣性人格障礙者,那種攻擊的態度也很像。恐怕你有一個不大好的父親,所以你今日把對父親的力比多(性驅力)轉移到李家同身上。

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於上文中過多揣測與未查證之文字,如本文在 google 其實是第二頁,而上文之中詆毀他人家世背景與尊長實未經查證之文字過多,對閣下文體之研習或是未來之發展,實非好事。其容易招惹口舌之災禍。
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從這邊回覆看來,我對你的同類的假設側寫是正確的。 好險我開始用字就挑狠的 。有這麼多人乖乖的看我罵他「廢物或社會的敗類」,我深感欣慰,知恥是值得稱許。

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孟子有云:“人不可以無恥,無恥之恥,無恥也”(《孟子"盡心上》,然閣下耗費心力與時間於此孜孜不倦,在下敢言,雖於此書寫文字,尚未能如先生如此,不知閣下知恥否?
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朱學恆再努力多久,還是有天資上的限制。人沒有天份就應該認命 ,安於本份的去作一些沒有創作才能也可以作的事情,而不是去攻擊比自己有才能亦值得尊敬的人。 這樣直接表現給他人自己的本貌,不是可恨,而是可憐與值得同情的。最後我想說,你的外表與你的內在是一樣的。

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在下雖想在不更改先生原文之情況下,刪除過多贅字,但先生已將贅字融於腦中、心中,功力之高,實非在下所能刪除。實為贅字之能手也,在下深感欽佩。

我剛剛打最後一段的時候想到,我幹麻花這麼多時間來應對這種只會打廢話的人,案,浪費我時間。
2009-03-28 @ 15:55
迴響 from: Black Sabbath結晶體 [訪問者]
范蘭欽老師,
看來你的行文能力不佳,小弟一語中的。
在這裡就不客氣的請您自己看看貴方上次留言那些個"言不及義"的出處。

>>恐怕你有一個不大好的父親,所以你今日把對父親的力比多(性驅力)轉移到李家同身上。

第一段先來個性格側寫是吧?
可惜未能通徹。既不能點明被分析者的性格,講出的推測也不夠嚴謹。令小弟看完好生懊惱。
多費口舌卻沒能寫出重點,吊書袋竟不如街邊豎子,直接罵"操你媽"比較實在。
老師應該知道恥辱才是。

>>從這邊回覆看來,我對你的同類的假設側寫是正確的。好險我開始用字就挑狠的。有這麼多人乖乖的看我罵他「廢物或社會的敗類」,我深感欣慰,知恥是值得稱許。

挑狠的也不夠狠,行文怎麼老給人看出個賣弄的氣味。敝人知恥,先生知恥乎?您不知恥可比敗類還不如。haha

>>朱學恆再努力多久,還是有天資上的限制。人沒有天份就應該認命,安於本份的去作一些沒有創作才能也可以作的事情,而不是去攻擊比自己有才能亦值得尊敬的人。

當真端起老師的架子來了,對不起!學生承受不起。老師回文這三段論述不精,漏洞百出;
敢問老師您到底論述些什麼?
側寫?辱罵?訓話?
難道是老師也是師承李杯杯瘋癲唬人來的?

2009-03-28 @ 19:49
迴響 from: Black Sabbath結晶體 [訪問者]
*****
小弟才疏學淺,狗膽直接問老師:
"你他媽可不可以講重點!?"
還望老師能夠清醒清醒。
2009-03-28 @ 20:03
迴響 from: swanky [訪問者] · http://swanbear.blogspot.com/
to 陳健拉
腦紋是怎麼回事? @@"
2009-03-28 @ 23:23
迴響 from: aloba [訪問者]
朱大:

問題根本不是『對不對』,而是李大師的人格,或者是言論人格問題。

多年前我再清大辦活動,把一個廣場的地面都貼上了文宣(大約30x10m),網路上有人討論:『這些文宣中包含了校長(劉炯朗)肖像,會不會不大好?』

隔天李家同就寫:『清大學生怎麼可以踐踏校長照片出氣?』

因為校長當場看過,所以我馬上把手頭的照片寄給李教授,CC給劉校長,說明事情不是這樣,希望他能澄清。

李校長有回應:『文章是我寫的,但不知道是誰拿去報紙登,這件事是你跟校長的問題,請自行解決』

多年以後,當我自己也登過幾篇文章,才知道要登報前,報社都會與本人聯繫確認,不可能有什麼『不知道是誰拿去報紙登....』

至於李家同發表的文章,為啥是我跟劉校長之間的問題....也許名人的邏輯跟凡人是不一樣的。

所以我很持平的說,他的文章與言論,就跟某個喝酒吃肉搞劈腿卻寫一堆勸世佛法文章的人一樣,文章跟人格有落差,看看就好。



Lucifer:本文有八卦!
2009-03-29 @ 02:20
迴響 from: aloba [訪問者]
這些文宣中包含了校長(劉炯朗)肖像...漏了『先生』兩字。

應為"這些文宣中包含了校長(劉炯朗先生)肖像..
2009-03-29 @ 02:52
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/baabuu
***
腦紋可參閱[空想科學大戰!]

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這是哪個白癡做的設計阿?
大概腦袋跟鏡子一樣光滑吧~

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話說我某個半獸醫朋友說過,
以前在學校是用[鷄腦袋]罵人...
2009-03-29 @ 06:08
迴響 from: Angela [訪問者]
說到小學生修辭,那篇文章一出來,隔天我到學校和學生討論(小六的),大多數學生都能答出來,有爭議的是第三題,看聯合報小學的專家學者解題,也是在第三題答案不同。

我的學生比我更了不起,他們還指出第五題「生活中不是缺少學問,而是缺少觀察的眼睛;生活中不是缺少知識,而是缺乏開啟的鑰匙。」出錯了,沒有答案,因為這題答案應該是「對偶」(兩句),而非「排比」(三句以上)。

李伯伯真的太小看小學生了...
2009-03-29 @ 14:53
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
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To Swanky:
為什麼我覺得你跟AXN影集莎拉康娜戰紀第一集的終結者Cromartie長得那麼像~~~~

這是Swanky:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/142/328053624_bc8d260166.jpg?v=0

這是Cromartie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cromartie_in_TSCC.jpg

尤其是那抿嘴的表情...
難道Swanky是Cromartie的原型!!(驚)
2009-03-29 @ 21:10
迴響 from: Winston [訪問者]
(Lucifer:戰力太弱,回家重寫~~~人家李家同都加官進爵當國策顧問了你還在沒有一官半職,是用鴿子傳封包嗎?)

朱大,人家李大教授是資政喔


Lucifer:沒想到我這麼敬愛他還會記錯~~~
2009-03-29 @ 22:40
迴響 from: nikula [訪問者]
哇咧!
突然閃現我指導教授的圖片!
喵的,害我冷了一半!
老師,我會認真寫論文的!真的~~
2009-03-29 @ 23:42
迴響 from: swanky [訪問者] · http://swanbear.blogspot.com/
to 陳健拉
現在比當年胖了些
應該不太像了~ XD
2009-03-30 @ 07:40
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
to Swnaky:

壯碩的身材也是很有吸引力的
像我們的琛哥,聽說他跟譚詠麟在餐廳吃飯的時候
有不認識的小孩跑進來對他們那一桌喊爸爸
他們的反應證明了他們的魅力
譚詠麟:小朋友...(摸頭)...你認錯了,我不是你爸爸
琛哥:小朋友...(摸頭)...你媽媽是哪一位?

當然我們的琛哥也有很多抿嘴的表情
這是抿嘴的Swanky:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/142/328053624_bc8d260166.jpg?v=0

這是抿嘴的琛哥:
http://pic.cnmdb.com/ent/2007/09/11/012926_1168314_176.jpg

兩人都是一樣的靦腆與陽光呀~~~~
2009-03-30 @ 08:42
迴響 from: swanky [訪問者] · http://swanbear.blogspot.com/
to 陳健拉:

抿嘴明明就是朱大比較在行:
http://ppt.cc/pv13
2009-03-30 @ 13:37
迴響 from: 來亂的電腦白痴 [訪問者]
陳健拉大人與史旺基大人之"談天說地之打情罵俏篇"?

我真的是來亂的~自領家法去~~
2009-03-30 @ 18:05
迴響 from: 笨魚 [訪問者]
*****
大學時代聽了一次他的演講(學校邀請)後,對此人的好印象完全破滅,都是重複的東西,而且....也真的有錯誤之處,加上那時他跟系上某個總是上課拿來說廢話的某某似乎相談甚歡.....而後我家人去聽一次營隊座談,再度驗證某報捧他,而他觀念偏差又....偽善..不是說他沒有心存善念想做善事,而是他的善念有時會成為他人的災難,明明他已經位高權重大家把他當神看,卻也因此常常陷入另一場災難中....也許把人當神看原本就很愚蠢!.....(某次演講他說高中生都毫無同情心那回)
但很無奈的是,當大多數人都說他了不起時,我也不敢站起來說他怎樣,雖然我心中有很多想法,最後都只能在自己的日記裡頭罵。
2009-03-30 @ 19:53
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
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Swanky真是溫良恭儉讓~~~
2009-03-30 @ 21:07
迴響 from: DannyBoy [訪問者] · http://iamdannyboy.blogspot.com/
這麼多人討論我呀(煙~~)
2009-03-30 @ 21:50
迴響 from: pason.nosap [訪問者]
我覺得好怪
排比不是兩句以上包含兩句就可以嗎

上網查了查
有些規定是三句有些是兩句僅可

我高中國文也還算勉強可以阿
怪怪
但我自己到是對第二題有一點小疑問
我總覺得像因果複句
映襯應該是要兩個相似性質的東西吧
拿巨大災難跟無比幸福相比好像怪怪的
路過 淺見
2009-03-31 @ 03:14
迴響 from: wtssoccer [訪問者] · http://wtssoccer.pixnet.net/blog
戰阿宅很累
因為他有很多時間找資料來反駁你
還是戰阿同伯好些
他只會淡然的說,這證明他的普通常識不夠...
2009-03-31 @ 15:30
迴響 from: pigkig [訪問者]
朱學恆說他自己的言論可以被戰,但是根據跟朱學恆筆戰的經驗,他很愛人身攻擊,也很會聲東擊西,不會跟你就事論事,說不過別人就罵人娘炮,結果他自己才是娘炮,不敢勇於認錯算什麼男子漢。有興趣的可以去看看去年大約5、6月的文章吧。
而且朱學恆跟別人筆戰落下風,有時候就不回了,過個幾天或1、2 個星期,他再開個新題,列個自己十個罪狀來替自己辯解,裝裝可憐,虛以自責、明則酸人(大概是去年6、7月的一篇文章吧,他列出自己的罪狀,說自己不應該怎樣又怎樣)。他自責(貶)是想怎樣,還不是向那些「朱大、朱大」叫的人取暖,版友回回文,朱學恆就爽了,取暖還是有用的。
朱學恆最愛說別人取暖,說自己是孤狼。但是他卻又很可卑的跑去跟他家巷口(還是哪裏吧)賣鹽酥雞去取暖,這話怎說? 如果大家還記得朱學恆有上過外國報紙吧?(紐時還三小),他趕快寫一篇文章來跟大家講,希望大家跟他恭喜、向他道賀,讓他爽一下,讓他心裏暖一下,不然報紙在外國發,看到的國人可能少之又少,他自己不宣傳一下,恐怕沒有幾個人知道。離題了,現在講正題,如果大家還記得這篇文章,朱學恆最後寫到:如果拿這報紙去給鹽酥雞老板,應該可以打折。(大概是這個意思,有興趣的人可以看看當時他寫的)。跟網友取暖還不夠,還要跟鹽酥雞老板取暖?? 你看可不可卑!! 老板不會給你打折,他會把那一份報紙拿來包你的鹽酥雞後再拿給你。你的紐時(或三小報紙),在他的眼中,只是包鹽酥雞用的。
朱學恆的蠻多文章都很讚,但不代表都很對,這只是我個人的意見,就像很多人認同李家同,李家同說的話大部份都很讚,但李家同有時也會說錯話,根據前面的回文,至少可以看到李家同說他會改,但朱學恆呢?? 喔,孤狼不用改變,因為他認為自己最行,偶行偶素就好啦。一隻常常上網po文取暖的假孤狼,他又有幾分真實?!

Lucifer:沒錯,豬學橫根本就是個混蛋!而且還下流到不行!竟然拿華爾街日報去跟嫌蘇機老闆打折!
2009-03-31 @ 21:23
迴響 from: 疑問 [訪問者]
依照樓上的說法,
寫部落格不能當作自己生活的紀錄,某年月日上報不能寫;
寫部落格不能自嘲,也不能開人玩笑,嘻笑怒罵不能寫;
寫部落格被戰要乖乖立正聽訓,捍衛自己立場的言語不能寫;
寫部落格不能和網友互動,疑似取暖的言語不能寫……

規定好嚴格呀~~ 囧
人家不能有在自己部落格的言論自由是嗎?
2009-03-31 @ 21:54
迴響 from: oversea [訪問者]
推pigkig...
朱學恆是虛假的人..只會挑別人的毛病..他可以講別人..還規定別人不能講他咧..大家眼睛都是雪亮的..今天他專挑李伯的毛病..不禁讓人懷疑他把私人恩怨帶到這個宅男分享知識的園地了..

Lucifer:沒錯沒錯,支持支持!誰敢跟李背背作對就是我全家的敵人!))
2009-04-01 @ 01:01
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
上面我算了一下,共有五篇您的好友代您出來跟我對抗,這幾個當然不夠囉(不過那是最傻的而已)。不過,他們都有勇氣直接質詢我的文字,我也不願意回答,因為我寫這些東西,我也明白沒有甚麼正當性,我確實從您的家人您的能力到您的外表在不用貶抑詞的前提下都進行了污辱,這是想讓您明白「您現在在做甚麼」。攻擊他人,用刀一般的嚴詞傷害他人,我無法得到半點愉快,只有傷心而已。但是您的態度卻如此閃躲與傲慢,這並非對我的不尊重,只是對您自己的不尊重而已,我一直在給您機會,您不要作這些把水準向下齊平的事情來。可是您卻越來越走火入魔,把人家照片貼您網誌當首頁。您現在作的事情我不會評論,因為您最後將自己明白。郝拉克利特說:「人的性格決定了人的命運」。您現在作的,將決定您一生的價值之高低,這些結果都應當由您自己承擔

Lucifer:抓個片,好嗎?Yoyo...man.....yoyo,everybody 一起來~~~
2009-04-01 @ 01:58
迴響 from: pason.nosap [訪問者]
范蘭欽超歡樂的!
2009-04-01 @ 02:41
迴響 from: 假的范蘭欽 [訪問者]
這世上,還有很多更可惡更可恥的人。

這些人,非但不會被嘲笑,被責怪,還有可能受到很多人的敬畏。

他們過著極好的生活,他們作壞事,但是不會受到譴責,因為這些人是惡人,惡人只會讓人畏懼而已,因為群眾是懦弱的。群眾只敢欺凌好人。

只有好人才會被欺負,因為好人被罵也不會回嘴,甚至還會關心那些傷害他的人。

我不懂,那些幹盡壞事的貪官、奸商沒有被你這樣對待,放一個專題,用相當多改造的照片被你羞辱,你卻這樣對一個好人,對一個曾說「我們都希望他人原諒自己的過錯,所以我們也應如實的原諒人。」「所謂的地獄,就是缺乏愛與寬恕的地方。」「窮人這麼多,世界能不動盪嗎?」

你作了甚麼事情,你關心了甚麼人?你的網誌都是這些幼稚偏激的東西,那些甚麼正妹、股票投資這些從來只是造成痛苦的事物。

對一個曾經花這麼多心力想及並照顧弱勢者的人,包括我。我原本活的沒有價值,前年在大量的精神科藥物煎熬下,幾乎自殺的我,李家同的文章讓我想清了好多事情,讓我知道有多少痛苦都是我自己造成的,這人根本是我的救命恩人。

嘲笑我的文章能力,嘲笑我的一切吧。我早就習慣了,我很早是被學校放棄的人,那種在常態分班制度下還會出現的後段班學生,李家同教導一切從基本做起,作文能力來自大量閱讀。我才有勇氣拿起那些過去我根本不認為我該看懂的書籍,每天一本,閱讀終於成為樂趣而不是面對考試的痛苦。一直到有一天,我憑著我自己從書本理解的理論知識,在網路被人稱為大師,得到了一時脆弱的自尊心滿足,跟你現在一樣。但是我仍然在接受這人的教導,學習該怎麼善待別人,學習不該太過自我。

你怎麼可以這樣呢?我也是阿宅啊,我也是以前會被人孤立的,所以只好躲在家裡,躲在網路中看動畫漫畫,得到一時滿足,但是,我現在仍然努力著要回到陽光,回到人群裡。你怎麼可以把我們都拉到你的偏激裡?把我努力的一切都破壞?那些鼓吹直接鼓吹仇恨的激進思想的教授都不比李家同可惡了?你為甚麼不去開一連串主題,把你的google炸彈去對付那些真正可惡的人?

你們為甚麼要這樣欺負好人?誰不會有資料錯誤?現代一般學生整天上補習班,讓學習成為萬分痛苦的事情,只會讀書不懂人和,出社會以後不懂得跟人相處,最後只能躲避到電子儀器創造的虛擬世界裡,心靈的貧乏最後只靠外在物質的價值來補強,只知道自己的利益而罔顧他人,最後成為千千萬萬你我一樣的人,一樣的痛苦,一樣的偏激。你的所謂正妹文化正這種極端。有人出來把這一切事實揭發,他痛恨財團為了利益的謊言。終其一生,他天生不善於政治的狡辯與算計;他即興的批評某一件不合意的事都是心靈自然的流露,全憑本能,正是所謂的「猿吟鶴唳本無意,不知下有行人行」。他有這麼多人支持他,稱許他,社會給予他榮譽的頭銜,只因為他這些文章寫的好美,好豐富,又發自他天真無邪的心靈。而你卻只能把這種用意當作是「嘴砲」「偽善」你的本質即在這裡不掩飾的顯露而已。

就因著如此,我要告訴你,我沒有能力阻止你,你是網路大哥,你一呼百應,網路上的阿宅都聽你的,但是我總可以跟你說,我看著你作的事情,我心裡真的很難過,很傷心,很痛苦。其他我能作甚麼?壞人還是在作惡,你還是帶著這些相信你的人攻擊李家同。

(Lucifer:他高傲,但是他宅心仁厚!你怎麼沒寫他很會做菜!
2009-04-01 @ 06:07
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
原來這個范蘭欽不但是假的,還是個偽阿宅,不要以為每天躲在家裡看動漫自怨自艾想死就叫作阿宅好嗎?
覺得有其他更壞的壞人沒有得到懲罰,你可以學學鄭南榕先生自焚來抗議這個社會、這個世界啊!
加油好嗎?
2009-04-01 @ 07:58
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]
躲在家裡就算阿宅喔~
你有時間在家看漫畫,打筆戰,不會去維基百科查查什麼是宅喔~

我好人做到底,幫你節錄~

http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E5%BE%A1%E5%AE%85%E6%97%8F&variant=zh-hant

以下為節錄:

御宅指熱衷於次文化,並對該文化有極深入的了解的人,但現在一般多主要指熱衷及博精於動畫、漫畫及電腦遊戲(ACG)的人,但目前於日本已普遍為各界人士使用而趨於中性,其中也有以自己身為御宅族為傲的人。而對於歐美地區的日本動漫迷來說,這詞語的褒貶感覺因人而異。

在日本稱為「おたく/オタク/ヲタク/おたく族/御宅」。目前,在日文中御宅一詞有擴及適用在熱衷於主流文化的興趣、甚至是在職業領域中具有較深造詣的人的趨勢。

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我覺得很奇怪,網誌是娛樂大家跟傳達訊息的。
不喜歡看的話,你可以去開放式課程看看有什麼可以學的。或是你學有專業,打算加入義工也可以啊!

再幫你一個忙,開放式課程網址:
http://www.myoops.org/twocw/

幫李杯杯辯護又沒錢拿,搞不好他還要跟你收錢咧!
老實說他很多東西不是不好,是許多事情過於自以為是亂放話,當然會引起有一些專業比他強的人的反感(請往上面內文中看),而且還表裡不一,請查留言串中八卦(按Ctrl+F 搜尋:李家同是開放式課程找過的義務審查專家裡面唯一跟我要錢的。),其他的缺點我目前沒印象,也懶得花時間想。

我必須說,我不是說他的文章不能讀,話不能聽,讀文章很好,但是記得只要從上面汲取你所需要的,如果你一昧的全盤接受別人的想法,那我覺得那些文章對你思想上的傷害比你得到的還要多。
2009-04-01 @ 10:38
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
TO:假的范蘭欽

BTW,依您的言詞看來,極有躁鬱症的感覺,而且您寫到"你怎麼可以把我們都拉到你的偏激裡?把我努力的一切都破壞?"......請問誰是你寫的"我們"?
起碼我都活的好好的又開開心心的,也不覺得我的生活或是其他的東西被朱大或其他人的言論破壞了,這種"覺得都是別人對不起他"的相似言論,已經呈現了一種反社會的邊緣型人格,建議閣下去醫院跟諮商師好好聊一下吧。
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我一直都覺得那種說自己的小孩是交到壞朋友或是被朋友帶壞的父母很搞笑,為什麼你們從來都不是覺得你們的小孩才是所謂的壞朋友,才是那些帶壞別人的人,或是你們的小孩其實本來就很壞呢?
2009-04-01 @ 13:10
迴響 from: 麻油雞 [訪問者]
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當阿同伯說工業技術比棒球重要的時候,他很明顯的就是在為了當前政府施政方向錯誤做援護射擊,我們的工業技術從來沒有喊過要超過美日德,韓國十幾年前開始喊要超過日本的時候我們還在看笑話,現在韓國三星已經是凌駕SONY的品牌,現代汽車銷售量也超過不少日本品牌。
教育從來就是宣導五育並重,那請阿同伯來排一下,德智體群美五育誰的優先順序最高?工業技術是不是比道德倫理更重要?
像朱大這種擁有哥白尼勇氣的知識份子已經很少了,如果身為一個知識份子只會對高高在上的人的言論同而不合,與小人何異?
2009-04-01 @ 13:55
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
很明顯的,幾位的砲火強度已經下降,甚至朱大已經懦弱的刪了我的文章而不敢正面對我。只不過我有點奇怪,怎麼挺你的人都是動不動就叫人去死去自殺的白目中二生?是不是跟你水準都一樣的?

人最寶貴的,就是生命,生命屬於每個人,只有一次。人的一生,不應該像你這樣過。李家同會被你們這些無知的小朋友亂砲,你還不用負甚麼責任呢。「像朱大這種擁有哥白尼勇氣的知識份子已經很少了」。我看了先想笑,誰迫害你們了?這世間已無教廷之類的機構了,代表莽莽群眾無知的攻擊傷害他們野蠻本性的人的那些聲音恰巧就是你們。

我還會繼續看朱大表演呢,但是好像已經有讓我失望的端倪了。希望你盡快把你一系列反李家同的作為鬧的人盡皆知,好讓更多人看清你,但是去google一下,我范蘭欽的搜尋項目還是比你多了快一萬倍,將來我罵你的文章也多到一個文集了,不如也專替我開一個主題,不然你沒更多東西寫怎麼辦呢。
2009-04-01 @ 14:14
迴響 from: pason [訪問者]
范蘭欽is so cute!
宅男不對男生打砲啊!
2009-04-01 @ 15:17
迴響 from: 疑問 [訪問者]
這位「范蘭欽」如果繼續這樣鑽牛角尖下去,很快又要靠精神科藥物治療了。
(沒有嘲諷的意思)
你想要傳達的大約就是:
1. 李家同先生是個好人,他有在關心弱勢。
2. 李家同先生不是聖人,也會說錯話、做錯事。
3. 李家同先生也曾經有枝好筆,寫了很多感人的文章,救了一些人。
4. 基於以上三點,朱學恒先生不該砲轟李家同先生。
5. 如果朱學恒先生繼續帶領阿宅砲轟李家同先生,你就要繼續為李先生伸張正義,用詞越來越尖酸刻薄也在所不惜。
可能有漏掉的吧,還是你自己想補充?

每個人心中都該有一把尺,去衡量自身與他人。
當你想尊敬或崇拜某個人物時,一定有你的著眼點;而心中的偶像受到猛烈抨擊時,必定想為他辯護。我可以理解你的心情。

你的偶像不是聖人,所以他所說的,你不用照單全收,認為對的就支持,認為不對的就過濾掉。如此而已。

如果他的所作所為,當得起眾人檢視,反對他的聲浪自然會消弭;如果他實際上沒有這麼值得尊敬,你又何必在此枉做小人?

汙辱人父母、或是罵人敗類,然後表明他人嘲笑你也不在乎的自暴自棄式言論,讓人感到你的精神狀態岌岌可危。
你何不繼續研讀書籍,尋找讓自己免除煩悶的方法?

2009-04-01 @ 16:04
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
看了您說的了。這麼多人都針對我發言,我從不削回顧,卻跟你對話了,是因為我覺得您的語氣還算理性,您該感到欣慰。

首先感謝您的關心,個人認為還清楚知道自己在作甚麼事情,失控是沒有過的;前年是有因為睡眠中斷的問題服用過一小段時間的安眠藥,但是也時間極短,到現在四年多了沒再碰過。再者,看精神科門診的人,服用藥物的人也從不能代表他的言行認知有所問題,如果有人這樣想或針對這點直接提出攻擊,是代表無知與公然的歧視。你的「讓人感到你的精神狀態岌岌可危」這種關心的話,應該是對著你擁護的朱大,畢竟我沒向他這樣搞一大堆李家同的照片放自己網誌,讓自己網誌到處充滿「李家同」的名字,又像強迫症行為一樣的蒐集他的新聞與言論,甚至注意google「李家同」自己的網頁排次,最後把首頁也改成李家同的照片來宣揚自己的狂熱。這種具體的行為才比較需要關懷與關切的。

其他是這些擁護他言論的支持者,在他們的言論中都直接的指明要我死或要我自殺的。我想依照邏輯的現實比例判斷,我不曾傷害過他們身體,搶奪他們財產,羞辱他們家人,但是他們卻直接的對我有如此大的仇恨。這種仇恨當然不是因我而起,而恐怕是他們對自己自身的,這種叫人去死自殺的衝動言論即時就產生,也表示這些人經常有這些動機與念頭。我想朱大應該也有這些問題的責任,但是就如同他的回覆裡的輕浮與不負責一樣,這是不可能。我並沒有甚麼真的把李家同當偶像的問題,我沒有朱阿宅這麼莫名其妙,我一開始也沒把他當一回事,但是看他在這裡的回覆,以及這裡莽莽眾生的「春鳥秋蟲聲」,我倒是覺得滿愉快的。
2009-04-01 @ 17:12
迴響 from: pason [訪問者]
I think Mr. Fan thought what a holy blog it was so he felt happy when he read it.
2009-04-01 @ 17:32
迴響 from: 太閒了 [訪問者]
我怎覺得首頁的圖好像識別章
范老師好像不太會用電腦...排名有啥好注意的
一秒不到就知道了阿
朱宅網誌好像充斥其他的東西更多哩!!


像您老師這樣不停關切這種下流至極的文章與回應的行為
好像也很需要關切...

我想您老師好像腦裡也常常有低劣的念頭...
2009-04-01 @ 17:43
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
"你怎麼可以把我們都拉到你的偏激裡?把我努力的一切都破壞?"
"對一個曾經花這麼多心力想及並照顧弱勢者的人,包括我。我原本活的沒有價值,前年在大量的精神科藥物煎熬下,幾乎自殺的我,李家同的文章讓我想清了好多事情,讓我知道有多少痛苦都是我自己造成的,這人根本是我的救命恩人。"

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這些都不知道是誰寫的厚...幻覺的症狀有點嚴重,相信應該是人格分裂症.........囧"
明明就是自己說自己幾乎要自殺,我這個人就是這樣的隨和啊,想分手的、想離婚的、想死的我都支持他們的啊XD!但是明明就是你們自己想要死,怎麼會說是我叫你們去死的勒?


我知道了.......這一切都是阿共的陰謀啊XD!
(今天笑的很開心~)
2009-04-01 @ 19:47
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
BTW,精神病是一種病,需要一輩子吃藥的,您的醫生沒有告訴你嗎?還是您自己覺得症狀變好了所以自行停藥?
這樣不行喔!
2009-04-01 @ 19:50
迴響 from: 疑問 [訪問者]
是你灑下一把糾結惡毒傲慢的種子,又怎能怪他人叫你去嚐自我了斷的果?

當你厭惡別人輕浮,字句裡卻正在做令自己厭惡的舉動;你用傲慢輕率的語氣假裝自己不在意,其實一再的回應早就洩漏你的情緒。

看到「您該感到欣慰」這句,忍不住罵了聲「屁」。
對於無意義的尖酸刻薄,我的選擇是:不再回應。

2009-04-01 @ 20:01
迴響 from: G.J. [訪問者]
*****
這位范小朋友似乎真的非常愛戴李家同耶, 大家還是不要再說李杯杯的壞話了, 不然他好像快要哭了
2009-04-01 @ 20:10
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
TO:G.J.

按照他的邏輯(如果他有的話),他會說.......明明在哭的是我們啊XD!
2009-04-01 @ 20:19
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
「當你厭惡別人輕浮,字句裡卻正在做令自己厭惡的舉動;你用傲慢輕率的語氣假裝自己不在意,其實一再的回應早就洩漏你的情緒。」

原句奉還,這屁很臭,但是只對你而言,我看猴戲仍然看的很開心。把你的虛偽收去了就只剩下一個屁,現在我是不勝唏噓了。

朱阿宅,你的徒子徒孫都給我戰垮了,你倒是冷眼看著這些人在你我的面前出醜至此。好險我不是早早來到你這邊先認識你的,不然如果現在我是給你幫腔的,我還真心寒。
2009-04-01 @ 20:55
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
你看你看!明明就是大家懶的理他,然後他就會覺得是他把我們戰垮了啦....花哈哈哈哈哈哈!



世界真奇妙XD!
2009-04-01 @ 21:02
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
>ninny

你真搞笑耶www

沒關係,別人不理我,有你理我就好囉。加油喔。你再多PO幾篇關於我的留言,或許我會再理你一次喔♡
2009-04-01 @ 21:06
迴響 from: pason [訪問者]
ninny...(拍拍)
走 我們交流A片去
2009-04-01 @ 21:16
迴響 from: orz [訪問者]
來戰的這人(范xx)太娘砲...
我懷疑他是女的
2009-04-01 @ 21:29
迴響 from: Biowave [訪問者]
那又不是真的范蘭欽,是不是真的范蘭欽也無關
要緊,要緊的是究竟為何以范蘭欽的名義發文,
雖然外人無從得知目的,但從公眾對范蘭欽的認
知,約略可以曉得發文的(我們先假設是人)人
的動機。

范蘭欽這三個字,在這幾個禮拜以來媒體大肆報
導之下,已經從原本的私領域轉變成公領域的詞
了,就像OTAKU或是草莓族,它代表者一個概
念,當一個人願意以某某某的名義發言,也就是
他願意將言論賦予名義的概念,那范蘭欽究竟代
表什麼概念呢?范蘭欽原本是一位前新聞局官員
的匿名,該官員因為匿名的言論而丟了官,從此
憤憤不已,以眾人皆醉我獨醒的態度,認為自己
的發言是對的,雖然說在瘋子的認知裡,除了自
己以外的人全是瘋子,但反過來說,在瘋子世界
裡的正常人會被當作瘋子,所以似乎不太能夠就
此斷定,該匿名-范蘭欽-就是該被矯正的概
念,但是中國人(文化上)講中庸之道,對事情
的態度不可過度,當一個人的發言如此不智,
也就不必為以看事情的角度上的不同轉而內省,
而應適當地做出合乎道理的判斷,對此,我個人
覺得,范蘭欽的文章可不必再重視,因為它的概
念,代表著一個病灶。
2009-04-01 @ 21:57
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
喔喔喔!
這就好像KERORO看到香蕉皮會忍不住想去踩一樣.....本人看到欠攪的傢伙不幹攪一下也會覺得很難過啊!這個人實在是太妙了啦XD!
很久沒有笑的這麼開心了,沒想到洗個澡出來就有好笑的XD!

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TO:pason
交流愛情動作片嗎?
個人比較喜歡朝河蘭啦.......(羞)
羞個屁啊XD!
已經很久沒有去洪爺UPDATE了....囧"


不過之前的電腦就是因為常亂下片子又不裝防毒而中了64隻病毒.....說到這裡.....我才想到......我忘了把之前那台電腦新買的$ONY的DVD PLAYER拆下來......囧"(淚~)
難怪我妹說我漏財........囧"

花旗提醒我還沒有繳卡費.....星期五只好忍痛不去聽綠洲演唱會了(淚目~)
2009-04-01 @ 22:09
迴響 from: Black Sabbath結晶體 [訪問者]
范蘭欽老師,您說學生傻,我瞧妳倒挺體面的。

自顧自兒個說炮火下降,高談理想..不好意思,您行文有夠雜亂,一點邏輯也沒有。學生真的想要退選您的論說文高級班。

廢話,看都看不下去呀!!狗寫的都比老師您好。
論據?邏輯?瞧瞧您到底寫些什麼東西?

我瞧您閃避問題,高姿態聊以自慰,可以斷定您不是真的范蘭欽。人家可不是你這沒卵蛋的東西。

不好意思,學生沒讀幾年書,講話粗俗了些。還請海涵,小子就愛罵髒話呀。
2009-04-02 @ 01:01
迴響 from: Black Sabbath結晶體 [訪問者]
>>朱阿宅,你的徒子徒孫都給我戰垮了,
由此可以斷定范老師愛自慰,難不成一切都在您意念中發生?
要自慰可以,別把他人地方搞臭啊,知道嗎?

2009-04-02 @ 01:04
迴響 from: G.J. [訪問者]
*****
范底迪, 別哭啦, 乖, 跟把拔回家去囉
2009-04-02 @ 11:07
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
敢向清時怨不容,直嗟吾道與君東。坐談足使淮南懼,歸去方知冀北空。

獨鶴不須驚夜旦,群雞未可辯雌雄。廬山自古不到處,得與幽人仔細窮。
2009-04-02 @ 11:19
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
瞧一群小混蛋被我氣到吱吱叫,我看的真爽www

科科,氣死你們這些小王八蛋
2009-04-02 @ 11:28
迴響 from: 仮面阿宅 [訪問者]


獨鶴不須驚夜旦,群烏未可辨雌雄。廬山自古不到處,得與幽人子細窮
2009-04-02 @ 11:32
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]
系統訊息:

目前有一個自慰狂以為是、只會寫廢話的笨蛋,您要回覆嗎?

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2009-04-02 @ 11:54
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者] · http://www.erva.nl/thinking-life.htm
忽你個頭,蠢材,還不是回覆了,口嫌體正直?

幫你們個忙,聽說你們這蠢肥宅看到李家同的文章血壓就會升高,現在幫你們複習一下:

最近,我們社會上接二三地發生極為可怕的兇殺事件,這些事件的共同特徵是兇嫌
的年紀都很小,而手法卻越來越殘酷。一對夫婦居然被他們的獨子所殺死。最近的一件
事,更為驚人,一個十四歲的小男孩,無緣無故地將一個四歲孩子勒死了。
   我們不能再說這些是個案了,這一連串兇殘的事件明白地顯示我們的社會正在不停
地製造一些非常不正常的青少年,他們可能出自破碎的家庭,他們也可能來自很正常的
普通家庭,他們可能沒有受過好的教育,也可能畢業於我國最有名的大學,他們可能是
男孩子,也可能是女孩子。他們惟一的共同點是兇狠而殘暴。
   當我是大學生的時候,台北市發生了一件分屍案,立刻成為社會的大新聞,這種殘
忍的事件,是當時社會所不能接受的。如今這種事件如果發生,已不會是社會的大新聞
,我們必須承認,我們越來越能接受這種犯罪事實。
   我們擔心的是:我們國家對於「兇殘」的接受度,是越來越高了。今天,我們仍會
對於青年殺父母感震驚,今天,我們仍然不能想像一所著名大學的女學生會殺人,今天
,我們仍然不能接受國中女生集體凌虐同學的事實。可是如果我們國家社會不能控制這
種兇殘事件的蔓延,我們總有一天會認為這些都是稀鬆平常的事。
   每次這類兇殺案發生以後,報紙都說嫌犯好像毫無悔意,對於自己所做的事情,完
全無動於衷,事實上,這表示這些孩子們已經是完全沒有道德觀念的人。這才是我們最
該提高警惕的事,因為我們社會的道德標準正在日漸下降之中。
   如果經建會預測我們的經濟成長程度會下降,全國都會緊張,大家都不願接受經濟
可能蕭條的事實,攻府也會立刻召開超部會的緊急會議,設法維持我國的經濟活力。
   假如我們發現我們國人的健康狀況正在退步之中,我們也絕不能接受這個事實。我
們必定會採取各種措施,來使我們國人健康不致退步。
   我們不能忍受經濟蕭條,我們不能忍受國人健康退步,我們大概也不能忍受自然環
境被污染,可是我們似乎可以接受社會道德標準日漸下降的事實。
   我們不能讓經濟衰退,因為我們知道經濟一旦衰退,社會就會不安。我們不能讓國
人的健康狀況退步,因為我們知道沒有健康的老百姓,不僅國家不可能有良好的建設,
國家還要為國人健康的惡化付出沉重的代價。
   可是,道德感的消失也一樣會要我們社會付出沉重的代價,我們的治安會因此而惡
化,因為治安的惡化,我們將永遠地生活在恐怖之中。我們的政府會越來越腐敗,因為
政府的腐敗,我們會對我們的國家喪失信心。
   最嚴重的事,乃是道德感的消失會使很多原本良好的年輕人變成兇殘的罪犯,生命
,將是他們的夢魘,而他們的存在,卻又是我們整個社會揮之不去的夢魘。
   建立高的道標準,絕非走回頭路,而是為了創立一個美好的未來,如果我們要我們
的下一代生活在一個健康的社會裡,我們就應該現在就開始建設有高道德標準的社會。
2009-04-02 @ 12:14
迴響 from: 范蘭欽 [訪問者]
為什麼立委可以兇悍無禮?


李家同/暨南國際大學資工系教授(新竹市)

昨天,行政院長因為立法委員的無禮而退席抗議,對於游院長的行為,我完全贊同,因為我們的立法院已經完全不像一個理性問政的場所。

立法委員,全部都是國家的領導人物,他們的一舉一動,絕對應該是非常莊重的,因為他們要給全國老百姓立一個榜樣。可是令我們非常失望的是很多立法委員用辭極不禮貌,當然也極不莊重。以這次為例,居然要給行政院長「無賴政客獎」,以及「語無倫次獎」。這種不禮貌的質詢,行政院長當然應該退席以示抗議。

我們是一個非常講究禮貌的社會,我在新竹乘坐公車,發現大學生下車的時候,都會對公車司機說謝謝。在清大站,有時有十幾位大學生下車,那位公車司機要說十幾次的「不謝」。我們在各種形式的會議中,都會有不同的意見出現,但是誰都會保持禮貌。

可是立法院似乎是一個完全不講禮貌的地方,在任何一個地方,我們都在公開場合避免用粗俗的語言侮辱對方,可是,在立法院,大家十分地肆無禁忌,隨便你用什麼粗俗的語言罵人,都好像無人可管。親民黨的立法委員這次用「無賴」這種語言,應該受到親民黨黨主席的譴責;難道宋主席沒有看過外國國會如何運作嗎?親民黨如果想當一輩子的在野黨,那就算了。如果親民黨成了執政黨,而民進黨成了在野黨,我們豈不是又要看一場好戲,大家總不要忘記民進黨對這一套也是非常拿手,他們曾經在立法院撒冥紙。

立法院問政,應該謹守兩個原則:第一,不論質詢、發表演說、或者回答質詢都應該有禮貌,而且要莊嚴。第二,問政一定要與國政有關。

我們不妨看看英國國會如何運作的。我們從未看到政府官員受到侮辱,更不要說被打斷回答了,在野黨可以提出尖銳的問題,也可以對執政黨的施政提出無情的攻擊,但是他們絕不能侮辱對方,更要保持相當程度的禮貌。政府官員也是如此,無論他們如何反擊,他們都要相當地禮貌。

國會問政,絕不應該問到與國政無關的事情。有一位民進黨委員質詢游院長時,問他為什麼拿不出成績來,以至於這次總統大選,民進黨選得如此辛苦。這種質詢,絕不應在立法院行之,這位民進黨委員可以在黨部會議中提出,立法院是不必理睬你們民進黨內部事務的。

有國民黨委員問李遠哲院長這次大選選誰,又問他黑金是否仍在。我不反對有人問李院長這些問題,但李院長以中央研究院院長的身份到立法院備詢,只應該回答有關中央研究院的問題,但李院長沒有拒絕回答這些問題,令我十分失望。

中央研究院院長職務,雖然由總統指派,但並不與總統共進退,乃是一種「非政治指派」,因此他也應該在政治上嚴守中立,無論誰問他挺誰的問題,他都不能回答,不要說在立法院回答了。

李院長常因中研院經費問題到立法院備詢,卻常被立委問到教改的問題,我雖然也認為李院長應對教改負一部分責任,但我反對他以中研院院長的身份回答這些問題。

美國國會議員喜歡在國會發表演說,但我還沒有看過議員演說時帶了大字報來的,國會並不是給議員做秀的地方。

英國國會向來以精彩辯論而出名,他們的演講更常常可以永垂不朽,為什麼在如此激烈的辯論之中,仍能保持禮貌,這與議長的威嚴有關。英國國會議長位置非常崇高,一旦選出,絕對退出政黨,保持政治上的中立。因此他可以嚴格地維持議會的秩序,一旦有議員越規,會立刻被議長逐出議場。

英國國會每天上午聽證,也每天都會由在野黨質問執政黨,雙方攻防都有學問,在重大問題辯論的時候,會向全國作電視轉播。上次英國攻打伊拉克,國會的辯論向全世界廣播。反對黨領袖的警告使國會全體議員鴉雀無聲,因為那幾句話的確說出了問題之所在。絕不是不痛不癢的話,也不是挑起仇恨的話,而是非常有理性分析的話。

很多從大陸來台灣訪問過的人,都愛上了我們台灣人民的溫文有禮,我也以我國老百姓的有禮貌引以為傲,但我深深為我們一些立法委員的無禮感到羞恥。

我也參加過不知多少次各種會議,偶爾有人在會議中發言脫離了議題,都會受到主席的制止,惟有立法院,我們幾乎看不到院長,或者副院長,以主席的身份制止委員與國政無關的發言。

立委的不當行為,應該受到我們的譴責,我們的三大政黨,好像都差不多,只有少數的委員發言極有禮貌,也只有少數委員的問政一定與國政有關。

為什麼我們如此倒楣,我們大家對別人客客氣氣,絕不對人兇言相待,偏偏我們的立法委員幾乎一個比一個兇。我們開什麼會,都不能容許與會人士作秀,更不允許發言偏離議題,為什麼立法委員可以問一些與國政毫無關係的問題?為什麼我們不能有莊嚴的立法院?我們真是可憐!

【2004/02/25 聯合報】
2009-04-02 @ 12:17
迴響 from: 李家同 [訪問者]
軟蛋一群的蠢宅看到李家同的文章搞不好先嚇破膽了,還有種裱嗎?

其實我就是李家同,有種就來,我等你們喔
2009-04-02 @ 12:19
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
花哈哈哈哈哈哈哈!
好好笑喔.....明明就是自己被氣到吱吱叫XD!

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樓上的李家同教授
如果您真的就是李教授的話,那我就是劉嘉玲了啦.......XDDDDD!


還什麼"我等你們喔~"
花哈哈哈哈哈哈哈!
2009-04-02 @ 12:30
迴響 from: 仮面阿宅 [訪問者]
「兇殘的事件」是自古不斷



請證明增加的案例是

1、教育失敗?

2、人口數增加導致案例增加?

3、因資訊改善導致增加已知案例減少未知案例?






4、你的立論錯誤導致結論錯誤,請重修
2009-04-02 @ 12:34
迴響 from: 李家同 [訪問者]
歡迎各位來裱我,別軟蛋了。

請各位反擊我,反擊的像樣一點。想公幹我嗎?既然想公幹我,那一定是我先幹了你們全部了,你們才需要公幹我,不過你們回PO的越激動,我看的越開心w這就是我目的啊,所以你們還是乖乖給我幹就好了。

朱阿宅,你可以示範給我看你的狹小與激動來。例如甚麼揪出我IP去給我搜索,找出我真實身份大加發揚,不過我不是甚麼郭才子,也不是真實有頭銜的李家同,你能奈我何?你繼續開這個地方給我留言,就是只能乖乖給我幹而已。這種作為我也不是沒經受過,因你而幫我更出名一些,我也開心。

別讓我失望喔。
2009-04-02 @ 12:34
迴響 from: 李家同 [訪問者]
*****
別等邊緣人的孩子 又變邊緣人

最近,社會上不停地出現虐童事件,而將一個三歲小孩刺青致死的新聞,卻是最令我們難過的。我們都為這個小男童的去世感到悲傷,但我們也不妨幫他想想,如果他活著長大,將來會是怎麼樣的人?

男孩的父親是誰?沒有人知道,即使我們知道了,也可能發現他正在監獄裡服刑;他的母親呢?他的母親顯然對他漠不關心,她根本不知道她的兒子現在由誰照顧。我們可以想見,這位母親自己的問題已經非常多,她真的無力想到兒子了。

至於虐待他的那一位叔叔,報導沒有提到他的家世,可是誰都可以猜出他一定在一個非常惡劣的環境中成長的。

爸爸不知是誰,媽媽在監獄裡服刑,照顧自己的叔叔是個心理變態的人。對很多人來講,這究竟是怎麼一回事?其實,這沒有什麼特別,在我們的社會裡,有很多社會邊緣人,他們生活在社會最黑暗的角落裡,當絕大多數的人好好地教育子女,努力工作的時候,這些邊緣人物沒有工作可做,不僅此也,對他們而言,犯罪是很普通的事。

遺憾的是,這些人是有子女的,這些小孩子,只知道父母經常無工作可做,三餐經常不繼,父親、母親、叔叔、伯伯都常常被關入監獄。他們當然不會好好唸書,長大後又變成了社會邊緣人。

我們有青少年兒童福利法,也許我們應該好好地看看如何能落實這個法案的立法精神。依法,我們發現了一個極有問題的家庭,我們是可以強制孩子脫離這個問題家庭的,但是我們能將孩子送到哪裡去呢?我每週都做義工的德蘭中心,是一個能夠讓這一類孩子有個好成長環境的地方,可是德蘭中心地方不夠大,經常人滿為患,而且像德蘭中心這一類的機構也不多。

我們還有一個問題,當政府執行公權力,將某個孩子強制送到某個單位去的時候,也要付一筆錢給這個單位,有時政府又沒有經費付這筆錢。

我一直和很多地方政府的社會局有所接觸。我覺得他們都非常認真地辦事,但我認為整個社會對他們的支持是不夠的,以至於他們常有力不從心之感。我也認為一般人都認為孩子們應該不要離開親生父母。這一次,小男孩被刺青,有人說,如果那位在監獄服刑的媽媽告訴法院說她有孩子,他們會讓孩子和媽媽住在一起。這種想法值得檢討,姑不論監獄是不是小孩子好的成長環境,我們該問的是:這位媽媽會做一個稱職的媽媽嗎?

我們的教育界對於邊緣人士孩子的教育,可以說是完全沒有注意到。一個小學生,如果媽媽不見了,爸爸又在監獄裡服刑,校方就應該特別注意這個孩子,首先要做的是給他足夠的溫暖,也要告訴孩子那些行為是不對的,對他們的功課尤其要特別關心,因為這類孩子多半回家不做功課,上課會越來越跟不上,將來也可能變成社會邊緣人。

我知道很多孩子在小學、國中時期,雖然已經有些問題,但畢竟他要上學,所以還沒有完全變壞,但國中畢業、甚至還沒畢業,就變成了中輟生,這種孩子是很難找工作的。在過去,我們國家有很多的小型工廠,這些工廠需要黑手,中輟生找黑手的工作,非常容易。現在,這些工廠不見了,取而代之的是大批的KTV以及特種行業,很多孩子國中一畢業,就跑去這一類的服務業工作,因為這一類行業常和黑道有關,有不少窮苦小孩就從此被吸入了黑道,再也回不了頭了。

如果政府有一個機構,專門替中輟生找工作,情形會好得多,有些孩子知道不該去這類服務業工作,但是他們一直找不到工作,最後只好去這類行業做小弟了。

搶救我們的下一代,使他們成為好公民,不要成為社會邊緣人,是一件不容易的事,我們已經有不少的人在做這類工作,我們該多多給他們掌聲和鼓勵,但是政府的經費如果不肯用到這方面來,我們一定會看到越來越多的社會邊緣人做出相當荒謬的事情來。我們的教育界也應該特別注意這個問題,如何教好來自失功能家庭孩子,乃是一大學問也。

最後,我們該問:「為什麼社會上有這麼多邊緣人物?」我們應該很嚴肅地研究這個問題,總不能不停地看到社會上可怕的事情一再發生。

【2005/11/29 聯合報】
2009-04-02 @ 12:35
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
TO:Black Sabbath結晶體

幻覺(包括幻想、幻聽等等)是人格分裂症的症狀之一,或許在他的世界裡他還有後宮佳麗三千勒→裡面單蘭有瑤瑤XD!

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為了向我喜愛的作家米蘭昆德拉致敬
於是我要說.....對啊!我每次看到范先生的文章就氣到學猴子吱吱叫,完全沒有能力反擊,而且范先生的文章很高深,我完全都看不懂啦XDDDDD!

吱吱吱吱吱!



范先生這樣有開心了嗎?有滿意嗎?



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anyway.....你開不開心、快不快樂、想不想死干我屁事啊.......只是每次看到閣下的留言,本人就覺得很好笑XDDDDD!
您千萬不要不流言啊XD!
2009-04-02 @ 12:37
迴響 from: 阿宅 [訪問者]
李老師卡好
2009-04-02 @ 12:38
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
要我給你幹可以啊!
不過你口袋的錢要夠多喔!
不要當個只會在嘴巴上幹人、佔人便宜的傢伙XDDDDDDD!
2009-04-02 @ 12:41
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
請問有誰知道鐵三角的耳機台北哪裡買的到啊......囧"
2009-04-02 @ 12:44
迴響 from: 當宅已成往事 [訪問者]
好呗

我不能同意你更多了

李老師卡好+1
2009-04-02 @ 12:45
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
朱大昨天與李昆霖共宿一夜.....(筆記)


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謠言就是這樣來低XD!
2009-04-02 @ 12:47
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
范蘭欽引用的那首詩《和劉道原見寄》,如果以他現在掛冠求去的心境,我的猜測大概是:

我們是高級的阿宅(獨鶴)哦,我現在被一群「台巴宅」、「倭宅」(群雞)排擠,所以每次發文都被打零分

「坐談足使淮南懼,歸去方知冀北空」
我猜意思就是說我被放逐到一個阿宅不拉屎正妹不上岸的地方
以我高級阿宅的知識就足以讓這些便秘拉不出屎的阿宅嚇得挫青賽
如果回到廟堂後,也會發現這些冏馬官僚們哪一個能跟我比呢?
真是拔劍四顧心茫茫(這句話有典故唷)

「群雞未可辯雌雄」意思是說你們這群只能送去做喀啦雞腿堡的低等肉禽類
怎麼可能分辨得修辭法跟國際禮儀的奧義呢
(這樣寫不就等於討皮癢嗎...)

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後來寫這首詩的蘇軾
就被他口中的雞仔御史告發
然後被貶到黃州去
皇帝還叫人在他周圍用粉筆畫圍一個圈圈
如果他不乖偷跑出圈圈就要被抓去阿魯巴之類的
因為宋朝不太願意殺文人,所以用阿魯巴代替...

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大家可以參考百度的【烏台詩案】
不是烏盆記或竇娥冤呀,很實用的啦

如果你覺得你比較適合當上班族
看這篇文章可以知道職場史上最有文采的孤鳥是怎麼辦被整肅的
其實范蘭欽還滿有Fu的,如果沒有那麼Q很大應該很受大家歡迎
2009-04-02 @ 12:48
迴響 from: 深海潛水員 [訪問者]
看,李老師
2009-04-02 @ 13:01
迴響 from: DRack [訪問者]
我要暫離了,各位...
等四月中我回來不知道還有沒有機會看到這一篇,
大家玩得開心一點。

他已經開始貼新聞了,希望還能撐久一點啊~
2009-04-02 @ 13:36
迴響 from: 資深美眉 [訪問者]
咦!那個~那個~誰~

老娘煮燒燒等你

別檳榔冰老半天冰不出來
2009-04-02 @ 13:43
迴響 from: Black Sabbath結晶體 [訪問者]
范老師,我只想說,
您不要看了我說您沒卵蛋就這麼激動,連發數篇嘛。畢竟您搞不好是女的,那就不用生氣啦。

ninny,我ㄧ直都看著呢,只能說最近這篇帶給我太多歡樂。釋放壓力呢!



2009-04-02 @ 15:13
迴響 from: Black Sabbath結晶體 [訪問者]
【2005/11/29 聯合報】
李家同,堂堂教授貼人家報導的第三手第四手文章,您可省事哩。我ㄧ丁個字都沒看。
不要便宜行事,弄點有創意的東西先。


2009-04-02 @ 15:22
迴響 from: Black Sabbath結晶體 [訪問者]
不要以為我只是個會亂開槍倔強的傢伙,我在啊宅國可是有謙遜說過"謝謝指教"的時候。
問題是以往來者比您倆要有學識太多,這邊可不是他媽繞個古詩,貼貼新聞,就代表有學問的地方。
請醒醒,認真寫個有條理的文章,不然你虎攏我,我就臭幹你。世界是很公平的。祕雕!
2009-04-02 @ 15:30
迴響 from: Biowave [訪問者]
有人壞了,不過這樣不是好事,最起碼對李先生不
是一件好事,因為這邊對於李先生作的事情批評,
而是針對他的發言批評,而實際上,李先生的發言
卻實有諸多不當之處,越是起鬨瞎鬧,也越將這篇
文章推上google排行,日後有人搜尋李先
生,也只會得到"李先生發言失當"的資訊,但實
際上,這兩件事情應該分開來看,很可惜,無論是
范先生,或是假的范先生,李先生,或是假的李先
生,都混淆了這點,希望以"李先生"有做好事來
支持它錯誤的發言。
2009-04-02 @ 16:30
迴響 from: Biowave [訪問者]
順便建議一下Lucifer
以後相關李家同的文章
其標題可以用同一個
李家同胡說
李家同亂講...etc
在文中也可以寫一兩次
這樣google會比較好搜尋
2009-04-02 @ 16:37
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/baabuu
***
to ninny

我過年才在光華八德路上買一副ATH-EM7

老闆很熱心的提供數款建議
(其實我本來想買的是ON3.....)

在TVBS旁邊那一條商店街裡面右手邊的店面....

好像是這個吧(網路上查的地址)
鶴眾
八德店:北市八德路1段27號1F, C06室
2009-04-02 @ 17:03
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
為什麼李家同的支持者在這邊冒名破壞他形象啦!李背背怎麼這麼可憐有這種支持者.....

Lucifer

難道這就是所謂的毒樹毒果理論嗎?
2009-04-02 @ 18:24
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
TO:DRack
我是這麼樣的關心著我們范蘭欽先生,我想他一定能夠體會我的用心,天天來看我們.....不過他今天應該是去面試,所以沒有空來,明天就回來了XD~

TO:Black Sabbath結晶體
我也覺得最近范先生的留言已經變成我生活的重心了呢......每天來這裡看他的留言,大笑幾聲有易身體健康......是說萬一他不再留言,以後我看不到這麼好笑的留言要怎麼辦啊XDDD!

TO:baabuu
阿宅果然都是深藏不露啊......多謝閣下提供的資訊.....希望等本人把電腦跟MP3搞定之後,可以好好的選一副好耳機~
2009-04-02 @ 23:06
迴響 from: 陳健拉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wos5468
給各位關心Denny Boy這首歌的之宅們:

外交部禮賓司已經給我回覆了
信件內容如下:



除了以比較廣度的立場來看這首歌
顯示我亞洲第一個民主共和國的器度
他們也很感謝資政的意見,會列入將來選曲的參考
如果有朋友能和阿同伯聯繫上的
歡迎把這封信的內容轉給他唷

最後外交部有一個部長信箱滿意度調查
我想就讓大家來分享一下感想
讓我參酌一下,將大家的意見用此調查溫和的回應給外交部

希望官方的解釋可以讓這場羅生門先得到一個休息啦~~~
2009-04-03 @ 13:15
迴響 from: hopcat [訪問者]
看完了文章,習慣會在看一下回覆,除去前面幾則第幾名的必要留言外,後面的心得感想也是一個很有意思的話題,有時,甚至比本文還要精彩。
首先,就這篇文章,朱大很明確的提出一個不要盲目聽從權威的觀念,質疑是獨立思考的重要表現,而這往往是台灣教育所欠缺的,這個觀點因本人能力不足以深入探討,在此不多做評判。只是看到留言,發現有些留言的筆戰意味太強了,雖然真理越辯越明,不過,應該要尊重一下主人的想法,今天我會來這裡看朱大的版,對於朱大的發言當然是有所判斷,好的吸收不好的丟掉,你若有意見,你可以自己在你的部落格上盡情發表,還是私下以其他方式與朱大連絡、討論,而不是喧賓奪主的在此狂發言論,捍衛自己的"言論自由",甚至一些留下惡劣低級評判與文字攻擊。我喜歡朱大的文章,所以我常來這邊觀看,強烈支持朱大,也希望朱大繼續的撰文。
ps.常常潛水,難得發言好像篇幅太大了,真不好意思,剛畢業又恢復阿宅生活,會常常上來留言的
2009-04-03 @ 16:52
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
哇幹,外交部的回信相當漂亮耶,禮賓司果然不簡單~~~

Lucifer
2009-04-03 @ 17:11
迴響 from: Black Sabbath結晶體 [訪問者]
*****
范無卵,看看人家禮賓司的信,這才叫做言之有物,了解嗎?
2009-04-03 @ 23:10
迴響 from: Angela [訪問者]
對「偶」,應該指兩句(或偶數句)喔!

語文中上下兩句,或一句中的兩個詞語,字數相等、句法相似、詞性相同、平仄相對,叫做「對偶」。

對偶法就是把字數相等,結構相同或相似的兩個句子,成雙成 對地排列在一起;表達一個相近、相對或相連的意思。

查了紙本書和網路,不知道哪個版本的解讀有說三句(或奇數句)算作 對「偶」 ?
2009-04-04 @ 01:50
迴響 from: no [訪問者]
*****
波爾薛!
竟然有這種理論?!

>希望以"李家同先生"有做好事來
支持它錯誤的發言。
那同理是不是:
希望以"扁先生"有做好事來
支持它錯誤的發言。
希望以"馬先生"有做好事來
支持它錯誤的發言。

...等等?!

台灣這幾年因為政治利害關係,互相攻訐,
把好人可以說成壞人,壞人搞造神運動.

當然,好的應該提,壞的也不能忘記,
如此才能警惕阿!
2009-04-10 @ 14:12
迴響 from: 掠嵐雲 [訪問者]
李先生發表他對於文法教學的意見時我正在醫院陪病.在醫院裡待久了,看新聞就會毫無情緒(還有比生死更大樁的事情嗎?)沒想到看了李先生那篇社論竟然還有力氣冒火.(而且是火冒三千六百丈-大學時代一位老師的名言)但是很可惜當時沒有力氣投稿.這兩天無意間來到這裡,很開心能看到這篇文章,還有底下的眾多回應,顯然我不是因為宅在家裡太久而變得思想偏激,好發議論.

愛爾蘭文化的問題我不懂,無法置喙,可是想藉版面說說文法與修辭教學的問題.因為這好歹是我本行的東西.
李先生的文章我當時就看了兩遍,而且剛剛又找出來看了一遍,每次看都覺得很難理解.李教授的意見是:1.我一點都不懂,我認識的很多人也不懂,小學生怎麼可能懂?2.我沒學過,但是我活得好好的,所以這東西沒有必要.3.因為小學生不可能懂,而且又沒有必要,所以小學生不必學這個,會抹煞他學習的樂趣.

我必須說,我同意小學四年級的國文有更重要的教學目標,比如說「把國字學好」.因為近幾年玩創意教學,我帶過好幾個國小高年級的小朋友,你要他寫ㄅㄠˇㄅㄧㄠ,他的答案到底是「保鏢」「保標」還是「寶標」,要看他當時腦海裡浮現哪個字.而且這些小朋友並不在什麼「偏遠鄉下」,而是本島首善之都的文教區.

可是除了這個大宗旨以外,李先生的話我沒有一句同意的.首先,我不懂,我沒學過,跟別人能不能學得會根本是兩碼事.這個道理淺顯得我根本不想解釋.而且李先生的推論在我看來非常可怕,因為他問的並不是國中生,而是一些成年人,甚至教授學者,所以當他說「這些人都不會」的時候,下面你大可以接著說「國中生怎麼可能會」,「高中生沒有必要會」.最後的結論就是:這種東西根本沒必要會.因為很多人都不會,他們還是長大成人了.

這會是我第二點疑問.如果有人問我,文法修辭有什麼用,我會告訴他,文法修辭是一種訓練,可以協助學生欣賞或寫作文章,而不必依靠直覺,或者永遠只能寫出「媽媽愛我,她每天燒好吃的菜給我吃」這類最淺白的句子來.我不是說這種句子不好或文學家一定要寫大家都看不懂的文章,而是想說明,文學不是一種只能當興趣玩玩的東西,它還是有專業訓練.舉例來說,很多人做菜是憑經驗的,根本不必用食譜,但是請問,一個大廚師可以不讀食譜嗎?而我們的家政課是不是也因此叫學生多煮幾次,憑經驗就好?

在莫名奇妙的兩點舉證後,李先生得出有趣的結論.我不明白在他心中學校教育的功能如何,尤其是各階段學習的意義.可是當了十幾年學生(而且還想念!),我必須說實話,玩最快樂,不要學自己沒有很大興趣的東西次快樂.如果國小到高中十二年間,可以不要解三次聯立方程式或虛數的開根號,可以不要一個晚上背六十個單字而去看英文小說,可以不要算奇怪管子裡的大氣壓力多少而去種花,可以不要學三步上籃先看灌籃高手的話,我簡直想不出這十二年間我有什麼不快樂的地方.
但是請問,李先生不是覺得現在的大學生人文素養太差嗎?他為什麼會認為,一個小學時連學映襯都嫌太辛苦的人,到了高中會去看蒼蠅王?

--說到蒼蠅王,老實說我個人不覺得極度必要一讀,不知道李先生有沒有看過二十年目睹之怪現狀(ㄧ本清代小說),如果沒有的話是否也可以說李先生國學素養太差?

以上這些,是我對李先生那篇文章的一點意見.可是我的感慨跟版主大人有一點不同.版主大人感慨的是迷信權威.我感慨的是「假權威」.
今天如果李先生出來講的是資訊科學,甚至是現在的科學教育,我即使不同意,也不會說什麼,因為我不懂這方面的問題.韓愈說術業有專攻,可是這些年,一前一後兩位李先生,雖然都是學科學的,但是學問都很大,什麼都懂.奇怪的是大家也都接受他們「什麼都懂」.更奇怪的是,明明我們已經發現前一位李先生並不是真的那麼懂,還是繼續相信下一位李先生所有的意見都值得思考.

不知道李先生談人文素養時有沒有興趣談一談這個問題...
2009-04-10 @ 16:18
迴響 from: changcherub [訪問者] · http://blog.roodo.com/changcherub
這讓我想起以前李家同寫過的文章:http://www.csie.ncnu.edu.tw/~rctlee/article/930504.htm

後來我也寫了一篇,但報社不登。我就丟到網路報紙上了。http://www.cyberbees.org/blog/archives/003684.html
2009-04-11 @ 18:50
迴響 from: Ring [訪問者]
有些事情是個人觀點不同吧!不一定要爭出誰是誰非。知名的人似乎沒有說錯話的權利,因為會有很多人跳出來反駁他,所以應該更小心才是。
換個角度想,李先生關於Danny Boy的想法我們不認同,不過他為社會做的好事,應該還是把大部分人多,所以還是值得尊敬的。

不妨真的聽一聽非常好聽的Danny Boy,消消火吧!提供Celtic Woman兩次演唱會的版本

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaPFCvzzcFM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW9sPAT7Hog
2009-04-13 @ 19:51
迴響 from: 笨蛋 [訪問者]
笨蛋
你沒讀過EQ EQII嗎??
妳們讀過錢學森傳記嗎??

神也有吃屎的時候哩!

羅素的基本哲學原則你沒讀通嗎??
2009-04-14 @ 08:24
迴響 from: tom [訪問者]
我覺得李先生講的重點在“觀念”,
卻在一些細節上疏忽了!
挑戰李先生的“權威”,
在“觀念”上多著墨,
對整個社會的進步,
會有更大的貢獻。
2009-04-18 @ 12:01
迴響 from: 探索者 [訪問者]
首先,我想說,能有機會稍稍了解您──如此一位有想法、有思考力的人,我深感榮幸。也謝謝您讓我有機會在底下對於您以上的文章的前半(因為眼睛不好所以只看了前半,有機會我會把他看完的)有所回應。
前面提到的李家同先生在演講上展示的16、17頁ppt內容,據我所知,其實不只是李家同,幾乎所有的大學中文系教授、國高中老師,都一致如此認同的。但通常,他們也會接著說:某一年大學指考作文滿分同學曾分享說,是大量閱讀網路小說成就了她的高分。至於李先生又將棒球和工業相提並論,我十分認同你的看法──這兩者是毫無直接關係的。但我想,或許就和上面所提的事件一般,他只想用較激烈的、甚至是不惜顛覆、批評時下熱血青年所珍愛的事物,這樣的方式,來提醒大家正視所輕忽的吧!
以上一點想法。
2009-05-12 @ 22:24
迴響 from: an english idiot [訪問者]
i agree with professor Li's opinion .

i do not care the problem of whomever one's logic .

what i care is about how to improve the English capability .

if you can not help other to learn or to improve their English capability . just be quite and keep to shut your mouth up .

the willing is more important than any kind of useless opinions .

would you just shut up and stop arguing for doing something which can help those students who are not only still struggling in economical issues but also fighting on the studying competition with the children who are living in city .

there are too many things in our world that will be changed when the times is gone .

maybe ,next time ,you will be getting started to think the meaning of our life or something else ...

i remember that the student of Netherlander needs to learn ,at least , three languages when they are ready to study in elementary school .

have they got the problem with learning language ? i do not think so . why do we need to concern how many foreign languages we should learn .

獨立思考的批判在缺乏非常長時間專業的滋潤下很快會變成呼視現實的無產階級權力鬥爭,而滿腔對追求理想但缺乏資金支援下的埶誠,很快的就會造就文化大革命。

前者就是這近十年的台灣民主,後者就是折騰你我至今的台灣獨立。

i remember when i was a student who is studying in the university ... i can not organized any English sentence correctly .

i major computer science and information technology .

that is unforgettable day in my life ... everything is in English including the quiz ,the textbooks and the homework .

why do i need to read English textbook ?
the reason is very simple , there are too many people who live in Taiwan that is just discussing every meaningless subject without doing something useful for letting me not to read English textbooks .

can we defeat the Microsoft ? and can we replace the position of IBM and Intel in the market ? i do not think that we can .so i have to learn English again after graduating from university .

what i could avoid in my university is not to be bullied by other students whose English capability is better than i am .

who would teach me and tell me the English grammar or anything about English ?

none .because of utilitarianism has been marked in our deepest mind .

no one tells the truth to me .and all has their right for speaking everything freely if they do not want to agree with you .

it could be a disaster when you got your own opinion , because there are too many kinds of angles just for the one stuff .

we can not stuck on those angles too long and fall in those opinions too much .

樣樣討好,樣樣做不好。
處處考慮,處處欠考慮。
綁死自己,停在原地。

finally . i gave up to think about this . i begin to study English by my own way .without help
without unnecessary argument .

i gave up to believe this world can be changed by me if you think your right of speech that can make thing perfect .OK .just keep moving on for yourself .

i gave up to trust any one .if you want to have more fun with your childhood ,fine ,that is OK .
do not regret .

after all . i success .
now i do not think that i can stop all argument here .
but i just hope you can do whatever you want to do without saying too much here .

that is all i want .


Lucifer:說老實話,你英文很沒文采耶,是不是可以再提升一點再來討論英文的重要性?
2009-05-25 @ 18:02
迴響 from: an english idiot [訪問者]
既然,你都說你不需要改變世界了。
那這些事情跟你有什麼關係呢?

這不說明了,事不關你呀,也不就說明了,不用說是非,只說你跟本不在意事情的好跟壞。你跟本就無能為力呀。

那你在這裡喊爽的嗎?還是你也要跟我一樣當個英文白痴嗎?

我也不愛英文呀…但並不是李家同的想法使我非學不可,而是我所身處的壞境使我不得不學會呀。因為當我發現我自已在這個島內你爭我奪,漫天爭執的同時。

漢語拼音已經悄悄的進入我的職場,美國的巨大資本跟引領世界的先端技術不斷的衝擊我的價值觀。
再來想我在這裡看到的東西,跟屁沒兩樣。

爛鍋配爛蓋。
我很期望台灣人站起來呀…可是這跟以往相同嗎?今天不再是一個小島上自家人的鬥爭,今天是左有一條青龍,右有一隻白虎。夾在中間的你我要怎麼樣能站的起來嗎?難道我們因此就可能可以有朱雀跟玄武嗎?只會得到豬頭跟倒楣鬼。

這只讓我想到,民進黨跟國民黨的鬥爭,最後輸家是誰?台灣人自已?苦了又是誰?兩個政黨,誰都沒有讓台灣更好,但誰也都沒有讓台灣免於中國的崛起,最後,一個是睜眼說瞎話的台灣民主政黨,另一個黨是從爛包袱中翻找裝老酒的新瓶的中國獨裁政黨,而領導者呢?就每天放屁,而人民呢?再過十年除了變老,變的安平樂道已外,還是一樣繼續叫苦呀。什麼時候改變過。

把情況換成四五年前的你,你不是一樣嗎?而今天的你換了一位子,結果還是一樣。那下一個十年呢?繼續罵?繼續堅持?

真正的弱者還能被改變什麼(聽起來很怪,但是就是如此)

在這討論事情的人,自已的社會責任是什麼?我看不出來,也不知道。如果沒有,那請問,自已的最大利益又是什麼?弱者會獲得最大的利益嗎?一點都沒有,反而會覺得,是這裡的人在圖利自已而以。

那這些人又有比誰還高級呢?
2009-05-26 @ 11:10
迴響 from: LU [訪問者]
李伯伯對事的觀點,有些的確不見得是正確完整的,可是他的文章一直都希望大家多關心弱勢,希望國家社會變的更好.

你我或許覺得那是陳腔濫調, 但是他是以他的人生實際體驗.

你有過生存窘困的經驗嗎? 你體驗過命運的冷酷嗎?

對我而言, 我對於他這樣的一個人感到好奇, 並為他曾做的一些事情感到感謝, 縱使我不認同他的一些說法.

誰不會說錯話呢?
2009-06-06 @ 14:34
迴響 from: 蓮娜 [訪問者] Email
其實大學生不敢發言糾正多半跟教授可以任意當人這個生殺權有關係。我想沒人願意拿自己的學分生身先士卒的開玩笑吧....
2009-06-17 @ 04:45
迴響 from: LEO Hu [訪問者]
*****
我本身是清大學生有上過李家同教授的兩門課,但是我不覺得是下面學生不敢反對或什麼的,如果老師要在上課做實驗是他的自由,是你繳錢,是你選了他的選修課,你欣賞他的教學與風範去上課,要不然你隨便請一個博士生去教那門課都會教得比李教授好,照本宣科嘛,做過的研究與專長,我要學這些專門的東西,其實我自修就好啦,聽李教授上課也是種樂趣,即使他會說錯某些東西,但無傷大雅,知道就好,其實學生也會跟教授提,但我覺得,上課拿來做什麼事的確是教授自己決定,不是國文課或者非國文課的問題,畢竟大家如果只想聽專門領域的,可以直接去修電機系同質性的課,用不著選李家同的課。
2009-06-19 @ 09:57
迴響 from: Vicky [訪問者]
*****
agree with u!
2009-06-28 @ 08:28
迴響 from: *** [訪問者]
確實有遇過這種情況
矛盾呀 這個社會
我大概講一下
(注意!因為我沒有聽清楚那位同學在講甚麼,所以我說的可能不完全是對的,但我是真的聽得很清楚而且一直記得老師講了甚麼)
像前陣子我們班某位同學他家課沒寫抄別人的,
老師問他他是不是抄別人的......的
後來我不太確定他是承認抄作業還是怎樣
反正一開始他說他沒有

但我倒是聽得很清楚
那位數學老很清晰很明白很大聲的罵道:
誰教妳騙人的 我們有教妳騙人嗎
等等的,反正她很抓狂,在那邊罵了一段時間
很討人厭

但是 我們學校的午餐 明明沒有營養師,她卻打有營養師,這難道不是騙人嗎?
之前有人來學校稽查,我們學校明明就沒有他們規定的那些職位,她連夜趕製那些沒有的職位並寫上其他老師的名字、明明我們學校的老師學校沒有安排讓他們做規定上講的那些訓練(火災時滅火器的使用方法)卻說有,難道這些不是騙人嗎?
我實在是很納悶,沒有營養師就不要寫嘛
幹嘛要這樣,還貼在學校川廊的公布廊看,讓來訪的家長看這些= =
明明就沒有阿
因為我們剛好是給她教,所以才會知道那麼多事,那位主任是管便當的,也是教我們數學的老師,大家都心知肚明菜單全部都是「我們的數學老師」安排的,而不是菜單上面寫得甚麼醫院的營養師,為什麼要這樣?
再說 如果不是給我們吃的真的很不像話我也不會這樣講 又油又鹹 胡椒粉好像不用錢 幾乎全是肉 菜只有一樣 一種顏色
然後 重點是她還說了一句..
菜單 你們絕對不會看到茄子 因為我覺得茄子很噁心

拜託 我們營養午餐的菜單是給我們吃得又不是給你一個人吃的 付錢的 我們營養午餐的菜單是給我們吃得又不是給你一個人吃的 付錢的是我們耶

怎麼可以因為學校一個老師的喜好
而沒有多元化的菜色
沒有我最喜歡的茄子ˋˊ
(本人因為茄子這件事很生氣,我們班的也都知道,根本沒有營養師這回事,都是她自己排的菜單,也是她自己跟廠商講要做甚麼菜色的,中間〝確實〞沒有詢問過營養師的意見,我們學校也〝確實〞沒有請甚麼營養師..)


而且,那位老師也很明目張膽的公開這個騙局= =
我很無言呀
2009-07-16 @ 21:03
迴響 from: ** [訪問者]
****-
更正,
上面寫主任X(是錯誤的)
她的職稱好像是甚麼組長的(抱歉,我沒記那些名字)
總之,以上是**中學的某位
名字叫
吳佳真
的數學老師
同時也是**組長
在**學校的學務處工作
她脾氣真的很不好
罵人都罵得很..= =
2009-07-16 @ 21:13
迴響 from: VU3VUP [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/mochimikai
****-
針對李家同這篇

是呀 誰不會說錯話呢

但以他的話媒體用了這麼大篇幅的報導

媒體沒有查證、有些有查證也不敢直接大篇幅的指出,反而讓說錯的畫以大篇幅的形式呈現= =

首先 媒體有錯


再來 既然知道自己說錯話了 又知道自己講錯的話已經被媒體大篇幅的報導
是否該發個聲明稿告訴大家一時失言了呢?
小孩子都知道認錯
李教授是不是也要學會 認錯 這件事呢?
還是要就這樣洗腦大家?讓大家有這樣錯誤的認知?
還要出來教訓我們缺乏國際認知?

誰沒有國際認知?

自己都還沒搞清楚就這樣斷言就叫有國際認知?

講錯了 就要認錯

還有 不要總是以那種教訓的口吻 打自己巴掌
2009-07-16 @ 21:28
迴響 from: 璽歆 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/mochimikai
他不會或教授不會,不代表學生們就都 學 不會


為什麼要直接否定呢

他不會 算甚麼 就代表大家都要不會了嗎

他是多全能?


每個人都是人 都會有自己會與不會的地方

而不是很主觀的只要自己不會 別人大概也就都不會

學不學的會是另一回事

會不會跟活不活得下去好像又無關


他活著 沒問題 他多學習 還是活著

可能學不會 但他 還是活著

還是活下去了= =

並不能因為他還活著就否定學習的價值

讀職業學校 活下去了 但他可能沒上到普通學校的東西

讀普通學校 活下去了 但他可能沒上過職業穴校的東西
難道這樣就要否定雙方的價值嗎
這樣就要取笑雙方學的其實不需要?

『小孩子怎麼可以學這種玩意兒?』
不行嗎? 行不行不是你決定的
這種玩意兒= = 你不會的就叫玩意兒嗎
不是應該對於自己所不會的東西抱持著一顆敬畏的心去學習嗎?
卻帶頭這麼做= =?


2009-07-16 @ 22:09
迴響 from: 殷浦藤熙 [訪問者] Email · http://blog.udn.com/pingyic
這樣我稍稍想起了Sokal affair,只是,如果最後這是李教授自己發布新聞稿,質疑為什麼沒有人質疑他,會比老教授自己承認錯誤會更有趣一點吧。

我們的社會,我們的教育,從來就不是容許質疑的社會,的教育。在我讀政治學的看來,在自然不過,在國家控制的教育體系當中,自然不希望人民會去質疑政府,質疑政府的正當性,尤其是去質疑政府是否有需要存在,是不是該由某個特定的國家政府去統治某一個國家範圍內的人民。

我們的教育,或著應該說大部分的國家的教育,都是為了執政當局。教導著國民要愛國家,可是實際上是教導我們要愛我們的政府,維護我們的政府。這樣的教育,當然不會教出對權威存有疑慮的學生,的人民,的媒體。對我來說,即使今天受過研究所的訓練,又稍微了解政府操弄國家跟民眾的手段,我也還是覺得我沒有能力完全脫離那種不思索、不考證、不跳出來指正權威的教育餘毒。

不過換個角度我也想這樣說,朱大宅神您,也不過是剛好的知道,或是剛好的注意到這篇報導,剛好的興起去查詢才有這樣的文章產生。而對於很多的東西,您大概也再沒有查證下就斷然的相信那些東西是真實的吧?或許是二氧化碳造成全球暖化這件事情?或許是某個政治學者指出民進黨立委選舉失敗是由於選舉制度跟選區劃分導致的失敗,而不是因為失去民心而失敗這類分析?

我們高度依賴專家,或許是因為我們不想要花那麼多時間成為每個領域的專家,我們也多的時間去查證每一件我們生活中的事情。您或許說的對,媒體在這件事情上有責任,他們有義務對於所報導的事情負責。但是要說我們都錯了,我認為沒有這樣的必要,這只是人性,如果這樣的人性也算錯,那就當做這是原罪的一部分吧。

(Lucifer:可是我李家同系列文都寫了好幾篇了耶,這樣還叫剛好興起喔?
2009-12-01 @ 14:10
迴響 from: James [訪問者]
*****
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2010-03-11 @ 02:41
迴響 from: 台客 [訪問者]
但是
這裡是台灣不是愛爾蘭
不同的國家有不同的忌諱
李老先生固然引喻不當
但是
你引用這麼多的資料
終究也只能證明
他說的"普通常識不足"這句話確實成立
你把歌詞內容翻譯出來
然後去問其他"台灣"的老人家
你覺得她們會說適當嗎
雖然我不是老人家 但我也不會希望有人在我婚禮上唱DANNY BOY
畢竟我是台灣人 不是愛爾蘭人或英國人
再多的網路資料也不能代替常識判斷
你應該道歉

(Lucifer:李家同出來面對~~~~哈哈哈道歉哩,你等著吧你。
2010-04-02 @ 23:56
迴響 from: 台客 [訪問者]
*----
所以你也不過爾爾
指著別人卻忘了自己
一個剛好藉著流行竄起貨色而已
我原來還以為是我吃味了
原來還真的是.............
好吧
我承認你某方面某種程度上還真是成功了
另外我只是指出
我並沒有期待


(Lucifer:挖靠什麼年代的文了還在回~~~人要向前走好嗎?
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