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魔鬼終結者系列~~~(三)未來救贖(Termonator: Salvation) (58900 views)
     

好啦,好不容易審判日終於來臨。

電影第四集終於上映了,約翰康納也終於換了個比較有救世主樣子和魄力的人來演了。

但整個劇情設定卻有很多奇妙沒有講清楚的地方......

Follow up:

第一,在各個時空中的未來,天網追殺下的人類其實都是處在壓倒性的不利之中的。

但沒想到這一集的故事鋪陳之中,卻變成了集團軍事化行動的所謂反抗軍。

甚至擁有軍事基地和強大的A-10攻擊機。

而且還擁有核子潛艇當作指揮部?

甚至在對話中感覺天網和人類竟然是三分天下的感覺?

某些區域是天網的集中區域,人類不敢靠近,但相對之下其實就會有人類的勢力範圍,這點幾乎可說是顛覆了第一、二代電影的所有設定。

還記得一、二代中描述的未來嗎?

在那個未來裡面,根本整個地表都是天網的勢力範圍,人類幾乎都躲在坑道裡面,只有白天可以出門,因為Hunter Killer和各種獵殺版本的機器人在晚上用紅外線影像看的更清楚。

在小說的設定裡面,人類甚至必須用熾焰彈來混淆敵人的熱感應系統,而要毀滅一台敵人的裝甲機器人,甚至必須用三人一組的小隊進行自殺攻擊才行。

也因為這個樣子,天網才需要開發出T-800型 Infiltrator的魔鬼終結者來進行滲透任務。

但是在電影中,你可以清楚的看到人類似乎在自己的勢力範圍毫不懼怕基地曝光,或是引起天網的注意,大張旗鼓的追殺Markus。

這點實在跟T1、T2,甚至是T3所預測的未來有非常大的差距。

而且以合理的戰略推斷來說,如果人類反抗軍的基地這麼明顯、甚至是擁有制空武力。

那麼天網應該要開發的是大量的強襲機器人以及大量的空襲武力,把整個反抗軍的基地全都炸平就好了呀!

另外最大的一個疑問就是,天網怎麼會知道Kyle Reese這個人,甚至把他列為頭號追殺目標?

第一、約翰康納不可能告訴別人(除了他老婆之外)未來天網會發明時光機器,並且會派人追殺小時候的他,而且告訴大家他爸爸就是目前還是青少年,沒有出現的Kyle reese。

因為大家會覺得他是神經病,再來,這等於是把自己存在的可能性最關鍵的秘密公告周知,這樣任何人就知道殺了Kyle Reese,人類反抗軍就會瓦解。

就算他要去找Kyle Reese,他也不能夠告訴別人原因。

第二、天網在2018年的現在並不知道自己會發明出時光旅行機器來,當然以邏輯來說更不可能會瞭解Kyle Reese在歷史中有多重要的角色。對機器來講要怎麼瞭解一個原先不存在的時光旅行理論?

接著,而論證一如果為真的話,人類反抗軍那邊也只有約翰康納和他老婆有可能知道這件事情。他們當然更沒有理由以任何形式讓天網知道時光旅行這件事情。

甚至,論證一如果為真,天網只需要自暴自棄:啊啊啊那我不要發明時光機器就好了....


(科幻片真是缺演員,Kyle Reese就是Star Trek裡面的俄國小天才Chekov.....該演員名為安頓‧葉爾欽)

魔鬼終結者系列就會這樣宣告結束....orz....

就算退一萬步來想,天網知道Kyle Reese對約翰康納來講很重要,那為什麼不一抓到他就把他殺了?反正約翰康納也不會知道呀,天網又不是什麼守承諾的男子漢,抓完把他殺了就好呀~~~幹啥還要讓約翰康納有救出他來的機會?

以McG過去的能力來講,這個導演和他的團隊,多半沒有辦法編出合理的劇情來圓這些編劇上的疏忽,我甚至不相信這些疏失是刻意的。

這部片唯一一個試圖接上時間線的努力就是讓約翰康納在最後臉上被T-800的原型割出符合設定的疤痕來。

總結,這部片真的讓終結者系列的影迷頗為失望。

失望的地方不是在第二女主角Bloodgood的裸露戲份被取消。

失望的是在於即使以目前這個劇本,還是可以讓人有許多感動或是振奮的地方。

像是如果我們知道Marcus Wright到底當年是作了什麼樣的事情,讓他一心求死,就會讓最後的捐心行動變得感人。

而不是人類反抗軍好不容易獲得了一個擁有人類之心,終結者戰鬥力的利器,結果最後他說要死要捐心,大家就忽然之間舉雙手贊成,連個屁遺言也沒有留下來。

這樣不就是跟機器沒什麼兩樣嗎?

還有就是約翰康納請求大家不要動手攻擊天網總部的那段演說,和反抗軍最後決定集體違抗最高指揮部攻擊命令的那段,其實都是很可以透過分鏡和配樂讓人感動的片段,只是這幾段都偏偏給安排的毫無起伏,一點感人的地方都沒有。

結果搞的PTT還有鄉民說,「約翰康納感覺好像很想紅的樣子,每次廣播完之後都要大喊:我是約翰康納!」

而且我也覺得很認同......

因為這劇本和對話寫的太爛啊啊啊啊~~~~

看完之後一點也想不起來有什麼特別值得回味的片段,有啦,Marcus Wright單槍匹馬和一堆終結者作戰很帥啦,可是結果他最後就莫名其妙的死啦!

Lucifer

也許當年他如果照著2008年外洩的劇本來拍可能會好一點:

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00022980.html

Ain't it Cool News當年揭露了,原先該集電影劇本的結局是,約翰康納在結尾一戰中被T-800給殺了。

然後為了讓人類覺得還有希望,讓人們覺得救世主還活著,反抗軍高層決定把約翰康納的皮給扯下來。



然後套在Marcus Wright的合金骨架上。

但後來據說華納因為收到太多反彈,最後決定把劇本給改了。

可是至少原先那樣的結局有點驚喜嘛!

另外,各位有沒有覺得電影裡面的那個Star......

很像是小叮噹啊!

什麼東西她都可以拿的出來!

要子彈有子彈!

人家忘記帶走的遙控引爆器她也會帶著!

幾乎什麼都可以從她身上掏出來呀!是不是有四度空間口袋啦!

敬請期待,魔鬼終結者五:機器貓的復仇!

有人說天網的計謀真是太好了....喔是啦,人類反抗軍都太久沒看電影和三國演義了是不是?

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迴響 from: 朱厚宅 [訪問者]
嗯.....人類反抗軍中了威力球......

然後打下了聯邦儲備金庫....所以開始當大爺...

其他的交給後人補完吧--
2009-05-29 @ 12:49
迴響 from: 朱厚宅 [訪問者]
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其實整個地表只有指美國啦

就像小布眼裡只有德州一樣xd

天網抓住了主角老媽沒有馬上殺掉的原因[推測]

是機器人也需要女色
2009-05-29 @ 12:57
迴響 from: cchien [訪問者] · http://cchien.pixnet.net/blog

靠...我還沒有看...被雷到了 囧>

2009-05-29 @ 12:59
迴響 from: OverLoad [訪問者] · http://forum.gaemr.co.jp
美帝對於英雄主義的盲目崇拜
已經深入DNA之內
2009-05-29 @ 12:59
迴響 from: 阿尼 [訪問者] Email
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看到「機器貓的復仇」,還是忍不住笑出來了 (=_=||)
2009-05-29 @ 13:02
迴響 from: tomwei [訪問者]
這下子我更猶豫到底要不要去電影院看了XD
2009-05-29 @ 13:03
迴響 from: 比蓋 [訪問者]
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終於前十了!! 嗚嗚嗚~~~
2009-05-29 @ 13:08
迴響 from: martian [訪問者]
我遲疑ㄌ~
待會還要去看嗎?
2009-05-29 @ 13:13
迴響 from: 查布萊特 [訪問者]
我要搶前十!
媽!我在這裡!
2009-05-29 @ 13:17
迴響 from: 查布萊特 [訪問者]
看到機器貓的復仇我有笑出來了!哈哈!
那約翰康那不就變成大雄了?(請不要忘了他在第三集根本就是連藥頭都不要的小弟)
2009-05-29 @ 13:26
迴響 from: 阿亞 [訪問者]
約翰康納很想紅,頗有同感。
2009-05-29 @ 13:34
迴響 from: 帥氣阿宅 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/runinyuh
該不會是前20吧
2009-05-29 @ 13:46
迴響 from: 帥氣阿宅 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/runinyuh
原來如此, 我還以為是我自己笨看不懂劇情
還是對歷史的前因後果不清楚的關係

呼, 現在可以鬆一口氣了
2009-05-29 @ 13:48
迴響 from: 蒼夜歌 [訪問者]
20!?                       
2009-05-29 @ 13:49
迴響 from: 蒼夜歌 [訪問者]
原來14 (這15?)               
2009-05-29 @ 13:50
迴響 from: emil [訪問者]
自從有了Plurk,這邊的留言就變少了....好孤單啊~~
2009-05-29 @ 13:50
迴響 from: Colin [訪問者]
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小弟對於裸戲部分的取消比較憤怒
2009-05-29 @ 14:14
迴響 from: FBIMAN [訪問者] · http://www.youtube.com/user/FBINEWS
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一直掛在網上,卻沒有搶到頭香!


沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香沒有搶到頭香


怨念~~我要去發明可以搶到頭香的天網

2009-05-29 @ 14:33
迴響 from: 朱厚宅 [訪問者]
那東西不值錢

你要我兩支都給你
2009-05-29 @ 14:38
迴響 from: 卡林 [訪問者] · http://blog.roodo.com/wingggg
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看完朱大的精闢分析
那這部真的只剩特效能看了orz.........

虧我還覺得預告時貝爾在那說「我是約翰康納!」感覺好帥氣啊!

結果最後是想要讓自己有名的宣傳啊........
2009-05-29 @ 14:40
迴響 from: 跑步者 [訪問者]
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2009-05-29 @ 15:42
迴響 from: 123 [訪問者]


魔鬼終結者每次推出新作品就會影響到原來的時間線,為了釐清這些時間上的關係,我又特地全部作品重新看了一遍(不含漫畫與小說),留意劇中有敘述到時間日期的部分,整理出來一些心得提供大家參考.討論此系列故事時間線的前提是不考慮雞生蛋蛋生雞的問題,例如約翰的誕生和天網的創造討論下去是無解的,而且每次使用時光機器就會造成一條新的時間支線.

在T1的故事發生之前應該有一條原來的時間線,在這條時間線裏不論凱爾和T-800有沒有回到1984年,約翰一定會誕生(父不詳?莎拉無性生殖?),天網也一定會被創造.而這條時間線裏的審判日是1999年(由凱爾口述得知),直到2029年使用了時光機器,才開始了T1的故事.

由於T1的T-800殘骸,審判日提前於1997年到來(由T-800口述得知).雖然T2劇中沒有明確指出故事背景是在哪一年,但是T-800有說他來自三十五年後,所以2029減35等於1994年.而T2之後的時間線會分成兩條,一條是沒有天網沒有審判日(收錄在DVD擴張特別版的另一個結局),另一條是T3以及接在後面的的TS(導演McG於日前發表聲明,TS與TSCC將不會有任何關聯).

T3的故事裏,T-850與T-X皆來自2032年(也是約翰的死期).由於CRS接收了Cyberdyne殘留的研究資料(假設T2時沒有破壞殆盡),審判日最後還是於2004年發生了.而莎拉於1997年死於白血病.

而目前只製作到第二季的TSCC,一開始的年代為1999年,劇中提到的Cyberdyne爆破事件為兩年前(推算為1997年與T2的1994年不符),莎拉預定於2005年死於癌症(若有第三季可能會改變),莎拉母子與卡麥蓉從1999年穿越時空到2007年,審判日預定於2011年發生(若有第三季可能會改變).凱爾與德瑞克與卡麥蓉都是約翰從2027年派來的(與T1,T2的2029年不符),而卡麥蓉在劇中有提過約翰與凱爾在2015年被關到天網集中營,到了2021年才逃出.但是TS的故事背景是在2018年,也是有互相牴觸.

關於約翰的年齡,每部作品皆有出入.約翰誕生於1985年(T-1000在使用警車電腦時,畫面所顯示),T2時應為九歲,警車電腦顯示十歲.T3時應為十九歲,劇中設定為二十三歲(T3一開始約翰自言自語說了當年十三歲......).TSCC一開始時為1999年,約翰應該為十四歲,不過他在劇中老是說自己十六歲.
2009-05-29 @ 15:58
迴響 from: 王中之王的王 [訪問者]
(打哈欠

希望變型驚肛的續集能振作一點(抖
2009-05-29 @ 16:19
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/baabuu
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Kyle Reese就是Star Trek裡面的俄國小天才Chekov

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那他的口音...........
2009-05-29 @ 16:49
迴響 from: 無敵袁老頭 [訪問者]
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最近朱大沒去蜜月嗎?

怎麼有時間一直發文一直發文

造福只能蹲在家裡吃粽子的阿宅呢?

2009-05-29 @ 16:51
迴響 from: yuhjone [訪問者] · http://gmail.com
放假宅大比較有空寫blog喔?
2009-05-29 @ 17:00
迴響 from: RR [訪問者] · http://roseroo.spaces.live.com/
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小叮噹:宜靜是我的了(奸笑)
大雄:Nooooooo!

btw,依照某些學者的說法,回到過去只會把會來的時間改變,無法改變既有的未來。
條條大路通羅馬,你只是選擇了另一條路~
2009-05-29 @ 17:28
迴響 from: Beotos [訪問者] · http://www.gamebase.com.tw/mybase/kenneth1991
反正沒有看T1、2
看不懂



Beotos
2009-05-29 @ 17:32
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
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在此我要推薦免花錢熱血片兩片,"勝利大逃亡"與"熱血橄欖球",雖然沒有很嚴峻的劇情,但是真的很熱血阿!!而且有線電視台就有了。

勝利大逃亡是1981年的電影,史特龍+邁克爾·凱恩+球王貝利主演,在德國戰俘營裡面盟軍國家隊成員組成了足球隊,被要求與德國國家隊比賽,好讓德國政戰組織宣傳德國軍威的故事,片中球王貝利秀倒掛金鉤。HBO會播。

熱血橄欖球是一群少年監獄裡面的不良少年被THE ROCK感化的故事,藉由努力得到成果,不良仔重拾自我價值。看起來很老套的題材,但還是他媽的感動啊,CINAMAX會播。

我已經嚴重離題了。HAHA
2009-05-29 @ 17:46
迴響 from: 羊皮狼 [訪問者]
總覺著這類故事吐嘈點太多了。天網的機器人都不用維修換設備?誰生產零件?誰生產子彈?誰來發電?
說不定下一集就是天網那邊是有人類在控制了
2009-05-29 @ 17:55
迴響 from: OEJ [訪問者]
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天網是正妹在控制
科科科
2009-05-29 @ 18:07
迴響 from: Pride [訪問者]
這一整系列的戲到底在演尛
2009-05-29 @ 18:13
迴響 from: KK [訪問者]
天網最後就是Matrix
靠人類發電,

我們則等待救世主出現。
2009-05-29 @ 18:43
迴響 from: ㄏㄏㄏ [訪問者]
機器貓說我一點也不怕老鼠…
那只是我假裝出來滴…
2009-05-29 @ 19:00
迴響 from: wdzero [訪問者]
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我個人還是覺得很好看,劇情上也很滿意。
請各位先想想第三集的劇情,再回頭來看看第四集。
怎麼樣?有沒有覺得好太多了?
2009-05-29 @ 19:01
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
靠要 筆誤 CINEMAX..
2009-05-29 @ 20:33
迴響 from: jin0571 [訪問者] Email
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難怪看完電影出來一點感覺都沒有,
就和看完金鋼狼一樣,
阿,就這樣喔~~的感覺,
其實在看到John被T-800刺中的時候,
就有想過是不是Marcus會接替John的位置,
畢竟它是滲透型終結者,
骨架可變型,
沒想到....
真的是太失望了
2009-05-29 @ 20:41
迴響 from: 阿堯-hit8881 [訪問者]
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我看完是還蠻振奮的
畢竟比我預期的好蠻多的
Movie版上評價兩極也是預期中的事
劇情大輪廓沒問題
但細節交代不夠細膩~
2009-05-29 @ 21:05
迴響 from: Marcus 強的多 [訪問者]
當天就去看了
看完之後
實在是覺得


來人阿 把那個廢又想紅的john脫去宰了吧

marcus 強的多了(and 他也比較帥!!!)
XD
2009-05-29 @ 22:37
迴響 from: 台中男子漢 [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/afooque/invite
*****
但是為什麼我會感動阿? 可能單純墮入粉絲的狂熱才會覺得很振奮~
2009-05-29 @ 22:38
迴響 from: 無敵袁老頭 [訪問者]
*****
剛剛看了最新的火影

竟然有大逆轉


超大的逆轉


長門竟然用超級厲害的忍術
將火影村的居民、忍者全部

全部都復活

感覺好像以前完勇者鬥惡龍的咒語
「查歐立克」一下子全部死去的人都復活

咳!
害我原本讚嘆岸本的編劇功力
竟然敢搞垮整個火影村
又想
鳴人能如何擊敗這個強敵

一下子就沒fu

Lucifer:幹,火影壞掉了啊啊啊啊~~~
2009-05-29 @ 22:51
迴響 from: !快樂就好! [訪問者] · http://csie-tw.blogspot.com/2008/03/mouseclick.html
****-
期待機器貓XD
2009-05-30 @ 00:14
迴響 from: 阿達 [訪問者] · http://www.kocpc.com.tw
*****
被朱大雷完這片還要去看嗎?XD
答案是----要!
2009-05-30 @ 00:28
迴響 from: 私心 [訪問者]
魔鬼終結者五就是駭客任務1
謝謝
2009-05-30 @ 02:29
迴響 from: FBIMAN [訪問者] · http://fbinews.pixnet.net/blog

幹!我不去看T4了,要是看著看著以為會是「駭客任務前傳3部曲」。

駭客任務前傳3部曲
部1 危機潛伏:人類軍團大戰天網系統
部2 終結者全面進攻
部3 約翰康納的復仇



迴響 from: KK [訪問者]
天網最後就是Matrix
靠人類發電,

我們則等待救世主出現。


迴響 from: 私心 [訪問者]
魔鬼終結者五就是駭客任務1
謝謝
2009-05-30 @ 02:29


2009-05-30 @ 02:53
迴響 from: WEI [訪問者]
***--
我也一直跟我同學 幹他是小叮噹阿

結果我看他真的是

他身上啥都有阿
2009-05-30 @ 03:47
迴響 from: 李目白 [訪問者]
>>>啊,今天晚上在Dan Ryan吃飯的時候老婆說看到陳綺貞,但我卻先認出盧廣仲。唉,有顆帥氣的頭真是在社會上有很大的領先優勢呀!


"那叫公然猥褻頭!"

(出自重金屬雙面人)
2009-05-30 @ 06:34
迴響 from: UNDER [訪問者]
*****
昨天去看看到想睡.....

倒是朱大叔提出的議見感覺還比較有藝術價值

改天大叔會去拍電影嗎
2009-05-30 @ 11:08
迴響 from: freeman [訪問者]
每每只要扯到"時空連續體" 到最後都是搞到不倫不類的結果....話說T劇的編劇是頭殼退化了嗎?
真是失望......
2009-05-30 @ 11:46
迴響 from: 約翰走路 [訪問者]
不過如果不是重度終結者系列迷來觀賞本片的話
其實娛樂價值還是相當高的
本片的特效和場面都非常具有水準
打鬥的過程也很緊張刺激

不過有個很囧的地方...
咱們的阿諾州長竟然莫名其妙有戲份
卻在還沒搞清楚是怎麼一回事之前
就被轟濫了...
2009-05-30 @ 12:39
迴響 from: Alberto [訪問者]
*****
看完了,真的是一部讓人失望的片子阿....

還是乖乖期待變型金剛吧....
2009-05-30 @ 18:39
迴響 from: J [訪問者]
Skynet送T800回去不是因為他快打輸了嗎?
所以人類有陣地應該是OK的
其他的部分應該就是編劇沒想好了
2009-05-31 @ 14:35
迴響 from: 科技新貧 [訪問者]
*****
原本設定的劇情反而合理, 這樣Marcus就不會有任何顧慮將Kyle送回過去, 他就可以頂著John的皮領導反抗軍好幾年, 直到被更強的終結者消滅~~
2009-05-31 @ 21:02
迴響 from: 麥克阿忠 [訪問者] · http://play.lanlanru.com
這部片子是俺三年後再去電影院看的!
為什麼又看到地雷片 ~~~ (爆走)
2009-05-31 @ 22:53
迴響 from: GG [訪問者]
*----
很多事情其實都還是可以說得通的, 看你有沒有用心而已

1.被核彈洗禮之後, 人類當然是由軍方做大, 所以能夠動用大量資源是很合理的. 最後軍方主力(不只潛艇,還有大量的基地和空優)皆被天網的計策所騙, 通通被天網鎖定而消滅. 因此造就了以前所認定的世界觀. (此外, 相信John的人也都因此活下來, 確定了他變成反抗軍領袖的事實)

2.劇中有提到John到處找尋Kyle Reese的資訊, 所以顯然是被天網攔截. 他們雖然不知道K.Reese的重要性, 但知道可以用此誘出John. 所以刻意把他列為頭號名單, 之後配合Marcus把John引誘來基地.

3.最後 天網並沒有辦法那麼容易就建立起量產工廠,產生大量兵力. 畢竟在完全沒有任何人的協助之下, 它只能一點一點的建造. 差別在於有T-X提供的知識, 天網可以提早十年造出T-800. 並且當成量產主力. 只是沒想到整個工廠會被毀, 這件事情也間接完成天網被大幅削弱, 之後被人類壓著打的事實. (此事未定)

部落格內容隨便寫, 留言也是一大堆莫名其妙的留言, 原來這個部落格的程度也就只是如此 (聽別人說多有名 還以為會有甚麼實在的內容)
2009-06-01 @ 01:26
迴響 from: 給笨GG [訪問者]
哪個什麼GG留言,你顯然是不夠終結者的影迷,劇情不是所謂的理所當然你所想的,請看過前面三集加上小說以及詹姆斯卡麥隆建構出來的世界觀,就可以發現這次T4的爛,爛到一個不可以思義的程度,沒主線,沒劇情,主角被弱化,世界觀被改掉,編劇是大爛片貓女的編劇,能把T4寫多好?

再者,終結者系列有個很重要的氛圍:

絕望中的希望

T4這爛片完全沒有做到,
你說的世界觀完全不對,也整個鳥掉,
我看 你這人爾爾......
2009-06-01 @ 02:23
迴響 from: 阿帕 [訪問者]
時空旅行改變的是平行宇宙,不然就會出現祖父悖論的情形。在同一個時空中,我們改變不了過去,當過去一被改變,所發展出的未來就是另一個世界了。就算天網在2018年殺了康納他爹,反抗軍也不會因此消失的,所以引誘出反抗軍領袖來殺掉是很合理的。
2009-06-01 @ 08:49
迴響 from: AntiKMT [訪問者]
T4再怎樣爛也比T3好...不過看起來原先的劇本真的比較好,反抗軍首領還是讓個半人半機械的來當比較不容易掛...XD
2009-06-01 @ 10:29
迴響 from: I am 晃晃 [訪問者] · http://j.cards.twirc.org
這集我有去看耶
我看首映!

我必須承認我是來閃光的..

Orz
2009-06-01 @ 12:03
迴響 from: Michael [訪問者]
John都能把這個秘密從9X年帶到2018年,天網可能也得到當年T-800或是T-X留下來的線索吧!

好吧! 辯護無用,因為我也覺得很失望!

而且裸露戲被剪掉讓我更不爽!
2009-06-01 @ 13:49
迴響 from: BALAZOO [訪問者]
*****
其實整部片的疑點都可以藉由自己思考去發揮,而Marcus Wright所犯的罪行一開始就已經論述了,在那個年代殺死自己胞兄(老實說敘述太快不怎麼記得是殺了那些人....)本就應以死刑判決,只是可惜的是沒有在劇中把原因敘述出來,造成後面的"second chance"的意義不夠強烈。

而天網在魔3的最後是四處發射核彈,造成絕大多數人死亡,留下的人可以佔領到幾個重大的武力倒是讓人覺得神奇,尤其是天網那具有"可以抓人類"那隻變形金鋼的強力毀滅者下(那隻大炮簡直是抄襲啊....),還能有生存者也很奇特。

最令我感到不解的是,天網抓這麼多人是為了什麼? 完成T-800的人格設定? 若是這樣又為何需要Marcus Wright回到天網完成最後的拼圖?不過捐出心臟之外大體還可以拿來分析T-800的弱點應該可以當做是一種說法~ 所以在朱大所提的"天網節節退敗"就變成合理了。

Kyle Reese的部分倒是覺得無傷大雅,因為在魔1結束後,人類可以收集那堆碎片進而開始發展出天網的雛型,自然也就有可能可以收集到Kyle Reese的資料,當然這要"掰很大"。

除了精典的1、2之外,4真的是表現出現代強大的電腦動畫技術,相較於故事內容,當做欣賞兒時情感的高科技動作片倒是還可以接受啦~ (其實整部片拍的很灰暗.... 我跟我女友一開始一直有被驚嚇的感覺啊.....)
2009-06-01 @ 21:19
迴響 from: BALAZOO [訪問者]
*****
忘記最重要的精典名言"I'll be back"....
主角講這句話的時候有頓了一下,也算有回味到第2集了~
另外就是殺掉kyle並不會影響當現世,只是在過去又多了其它分支而砍掉現在的分支。 (依照回到過去2的想法啦~ )
2009-06-01 @ 21:24
迴響 from: hiso [訪問者]
其實以電腦的邏輯根本發展不出來獵殺人類的這種行為模式,即使天網公司最初就是發展機器人出來當作武器來用,不過以電腦的邏輯就是以超級電腦跑了一整年不關機也跑不出以獵殺人類為天網之終極目標的結論出來,除非早有人類把這樣的邏輯植入天網系統內.

所以天網的內部應該有人類存在的,很有可能就是參來去死死團,且把獵殺人類當cs玩的阿宅所控制.... :p
2009-06-01 @ 21:57
迴響 from: GG88 [訪問者]
***--
可能要拍3部曲ㄚ
慢慢等ㄚ
2009-06-02 @ 10:47
迴響 from: 大叮噹 [訪問者]
to gg
2009-06-02 @ 13:42
迴響 from: 大叮噹 [訪問者]
這是朱學恆的部落格
他想打什麼是他的自由
跑到別人家廁所,還說人家拉屎很髒
你想紅?
2009-06-02 @ 13:44
迴響 from: 大叮噹 [訪問者]
恒,抱歉打錯
2009-06-02 @ 13:45
迴響 from: francis [訪問者]
我覺得啦, 每次SKYNET派機器人回到過去, 未來都會被改變一下, 就像JUDGEMENT DAY一樣, 未來雖然沒有變, 只是晚一點發生而已, 1&2是講SKYNET快被JOHN帶領的反抗軍打敗, 不得已只好用時光機送T-800 回到過去終結SARA(JOHEN老木), 卻因此意外造就SKYNET的(加速?)開發(因果關係?) 這時候未來應該已經改變了吧(SKYNET科技進步), 才會有第二集的T1000(2000?)啊~

至於KYLE, 就像樓上的留言一樣, 是SKYNET引來JOHN的一個老伯姓人質而已... 而另一個可能, 是未來SKYNET送了一個信差給過去的SKYNET, 說這個某某人是JOHN老爸, 要抓他喔~~~ (哈有點扯)

本人期待T4很久了, 但如各位的感想一樣, 這集的劇情部份薄弱了點, 不像T2/3那般熱血啊~~~

不過我以為是直接演到SKYNET被攻破啊... 原來只演到一半(JOHN成為真正的反抗軍頭頭), 還以為他會死掉的說...

MARCUS實在太帥了, 就這樣掛了好可惜啊~ (搞不好T5會回來, 給他一顆IRONMAN的心臟咩)PS. MARCUS好多動作都向阿諾致敬呢~ 還沒看的注意一下唄

那大家還會看T5/6嗎? (MY GOD又來3步曲)
2009-06-02 @ 14:24
迴響 from: francis [訪問者]
我認為TERMINATOR之後接的應該是"攻殼機動隊", 那時候人類從SKYNET中學習到機械人的技術, 以此開發強化人/生化人/人機合體, 還開發人腦連接電腦的技術. 之後在某次接觸下意外連結上舊的SKYNET(還留在世界上), SKYNET很快的統治了全人類(因為大部份人都有腦袋上網), 但一些舊人類(沒被改造者)成為新反抗軍, 還有新TERMINATOR不再安裝MADE IN CHINA的電池(因為會爆炸)而使用太陽能, 最後新反抗軍發射核彈把太陽遮住, SKYNET吸不到太陽能只好抓人去當電池...

之後就是NEO救世主的故事啦...
2009-06-02 @ 14:44
迴響 from: francis [訪問者]
SKYNET抓人, 是為了完成博士的"人類補完"計劃(片中有提到)
還有開發魔鬼阿諾啊~ (天丫, 那麼一大張人皮要抓北京原人嗎?)
2009-06-02 @ 14:47
迴響 from: artie [訪問者] · http://blog.xuite.net/artie723/blog2
給朱大找碴
標題打錯啦!!!
魔鬼終結者系列~~~(三)未來救贖(Termonator: Salvation) (26773 views)

是Term"i"nator

呼呼!
2009-06-04 @ 10:35
迴響 from: Qiontpn [訪問者]
前陣子有看到一個最合理的說法:
就是「時光機器將使用者送回過去時,除了使用者本身以外,該時空會立即回溯至時光機的目標時代」,
用個有點奇怪的比喻:就像拿一把紙製尺,
把刻度10cm的標示剪下來,黏在5cm的地方,
然後5cm以後的部分統統剪斷丟掉。
當然尺不會再生,但是時間軸會有新的發展,
換句話說,「未來」不一定會和本來的一樣。

總而言之,魔鬼終結者的時間軸是獨一的,沒有平行宇宙。
如果將終結者送回過去只能製造出另一個「天網獲勝」的時間軸,
處在原本時間軸的天網還是會敗給人類,
這樣啟動時光機就完全沒有意義了。
2009-06-07 @ 19:35
迴響 from: chiz [訪問者]
有人好好笑喔
自以為本領大
一來就想要隻手挑掉朱大
這個人的眼界...哼哼 說太小還真太抬舉他了.....
2009-06-11 @ 10:42
迴響 from: 不同意 [訪問者]
不同意楼主的意见,天网是知道KYLE是JOHN的父亲的,因为第一集里那个精神病医生知道KYLE是JOHN的父亲,第二集开头他讲给无数学生听(当然大家都当笑话听了),他自己留了档案,因为他认为这两个病人(KYLE和SARAH)能让他获奖,所以天网能从这位大夫先生那里调取到KYLE REESE是JOHN CONNOR他父亲这一关键
2009-06-24 @ 03:30
迴響 from: 蓮娜 [訪問者] Email
最令我感到不解的是,天網抓這麼多人是為了什麼?

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回這位大大,第一集凱爾瑞斯有對莎拉康納說過
被俘倖存的人類都被迫搬運處理屍體.....

所以照這段台詞來說人類應該是被當奴隸
2009-06-25 @ 03:12
迴響 from: 蓮娜 [訪問者] Email
其實以電腦的邏輯根本發展不出來獵殺人類的這種行為模式,即使天網公司最初就是發展機器人出來當作武器來用,不過以電腦的邏輯就是以超級電腦跑了一整年不關機也跑不出以獵殺人類為天網之終極目標的結論出來,除非早有人類把這樣的邏輯植入天網系統內.


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其實獵殺、戰爭、等等名詞都是人類自己形容的。電腦系統本身並不這樣解讀,就像我們現在用的電腦的防毒軟體,不是判別病毒之後就會予以摧毀或刪除嗎?

天網的例子也差不多,只是它從固定偵測(人類給予的指令偵測)演化成能夠自動判別偵測,他判斷最會危害天網這個系統的就是人類本身,所以啟動自保程式摧毀人類。
2009-06-25 @ 03:19
迴響 from: 蓮娜 [訪問者] Email
但是有人可以解釋終結者系列中

『父親在兒子出生前去世,但是後來再度出生,而且年紀比兒子小』

這個頭痛的時間軸嗎?~@@
2009-06-25 @ 03:23
迴響 from: 蓮娜 [訪問者] Email
最後 天網並沒有辦法那麼容易就建立起量產工廠,產生大量兵力. 畢竟在完全沒有任何人的協助之下, 它只能一點一點的建造. 差別在於有T-X提供的知識, 天網可以提早十年造出T-800. 並且當成量產主力. 只是沒想到整個工廠會被毀, 這件事情也間接完成天網被大幅削弱, 之後被人類壓著打的事實. (此事未定)

部落格內容隨便寫, 留言也是一大堆莫名其妙的留言, 原來這個部落格的程度也就只是如此 (聽別人說多有名 還以為會有甚麼實在的內容)


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T-800本來就被創造在T-X之前,且所有的滲透型機器人都是天網輸入資料的,為何是反過來T-X來提供天網資料?@@

天網只是一個程式,但是他可以控制世界上幾乎所有的軍事網路,所以當然要遙控現有的軍事武器工廠電腦進行量產機器人並非難事,誰說一定要『人』才能建造機器人啊~@@你當還是遠古時代嗎~囧

另外不認同朱大是你的自由,但是不需要口氣那麼惡劣,因為朱大並不會因為你的攻擊就有任何損失,我只嗅到濃濃的酸葡萄味而已,而且口出惡言只是讓人覺得你沒水準,不會因此覺得之大沒水準,損失的還是你自己。

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訂正:朱大
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最令我感到不解的是,天網抓這麼多人是為了什麼?

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補充,當奴隸之外,人類被當作製造滲透者機器人的實驗對象。
2009-06-25 @ 07:18
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不同意楼主的意见,天网是知道KYLE是JOHN的父亲的,因为第一集里那个精神病医生知道KYLE是JOHN的父亲,第二集开头他讲给无数学生听(当然大家都当笑话听了),他自己留了档案,因为他认为这两个病人(KYLE和SARAH)能让他获奖,所以天网能从这位大夫先生那里调取到KYLE REESE是JOHN CONNOR他父亲这一关键

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我也不同樓主的意見...

第一集所透露出的參考線是,許多人類的資料在戰火中都已經付之一炬,闕之如絕,天網已經不能掌握準確的人類資料。
所以T-800只能按照電話簿上面的順序,殺害剛好叫做莎拉康納的女子。

凱爾出生在審判日之後的時代,身處戰亂年代,當然用電腦建檔他個人資料的可能性是微乎其微。所以天網得到的資訊應該只知道凱爾瑞斯對約翰康納很重要,並不見得知道他們真正的身份關係。當時天網還是想刺殺約翰,或許凱爾只是天網拿來誘出約翰現身天網總部的最大王牌吧!

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