朱恐龍
朱恐龍

不好意思,我就是個懦夫..... (102770 views)
     

http://www.tvbs.com.tw/news/news_list.asp?no=yu20090608123115

104董事長楊基寬,受邀為畢業的學弟妹致詞,他開口說的這句話引爆話題。104董事長楊基寬:「延畢的同學或許不在現場,生平第一次,就當了躲起來的懦夫,那麼這一輩子,你還能期望懦夫的主人有什麼擔當呢!」

各位都知道,本人大學的時候就是延畢了一年,既然都被人家罵是懦夫了,那當然得要跳出來回應一下。

Follow up:

話說這個楊基寬,多年以前我也跟他一起參加過座談會。

那時因為公司規模還不夠大,他很多活動還得要自己出席。

http://www.epochtimes.com/b5/3/9/1/n368345.htm

那應該是Smart雜誌和Udn以及104人力銀行合作的一個調查。


這是跑去北大教課的照片,2003年我大概已經胖成這個樣子了...orz.....

記者會是在2003年9月1號,我查了一下當年發言的草稿,發現跟現在的狀況實在有一種尷尬的類似情形:

三、四年級做決策,六、七年級買單
決策者不管是政治或是商業界,全都是三、四年級的人。下情不能上達,最基層的人在負擔最沈重的責任。
有80.3%的30世代,擔心自己儲蓄不足,無法順利享受退休生活。決策的風格不合,六、七年級要規劃未來就會很難捉摸。因為根本不懂老人的想法。

說老實話,我到現在還是不太理解作決策這些人的想法。

所以我對楊基寬的行為和言論,也還是不能理解。

只是我有的時候不禁想要問,到底是要位高權重多久,才會忘記當初不也是一樣選擇自己逃避職場,從公司辭職離開?

看一下104人力銀行自己發的新聞稿吧。

http://www.104.com.tw/cfdocs/2000/pressroom/message900606.htm

失望之餘,楊基寬選擇自己離開。

如果不過是延期畢業一年,就要被當作懦夫,就會被視為「這一輩子還會有什麼擔當」的話,那麼只因為「覺得創業團隊不再有當初的熱誠,失望之餘,楊基寬選擇自己離開。」又算是多麼負責任的表現?

如果自己當初在失業的時候會躲進書房假裝要工作,甚至從家裡跑出去到山區閒逛,為什麼創業成功之後不到幾年,就可以在畢業典禮上大聲斥罵自己的學弟妹是懦夫,將來一輩子還會有什麼擔當呢?

http://tw.nextmedia.com/applenews/article/IssueID/20090608/art_id/31690586

更有甚者,在蘋果的補充訪問中,他還特別強調:「他建議畢業生若待業逾三個月,不妨嘗試「勇者策略」,選擇理想公司,提出其產品問題解決方案,並願在景氣回春前免費上班,「公司若有職缺,肯定優先進用,他的能力也已超過其他空等的畢業生。」 」

哇,這位楊基寬先生,你當年失業的時候是多麼窮途末路,躲在家中,甚至連第二份工作都不敢找:「失業的時候是沒有人格的,只有把自己關在書房,研究自己想做的事時,才有人格。 」失業時間愈長,楊基寬更加不甘心再去找工作。「如果繞了一圈,還是淪落成為上班族, 恐怕會被別人恥笑。」」

在你失業的那幾年時間,你當年連有薪水的工作都恥於去找,為什麼過不了幾年,卻可以站在成大的畢業典禮上侃侃而談,要求你們眼中那些所謂的沒有抗壓力和不夠努力的草莓族學生,做到你當年不管多麼窮途末路也作不到的:免費幫企業賺錢的奴隸行為

甚至,更不要提楊基寬當年因為自己失業,所以初衷是要作一個「幫別人找工作」的網站,但是因為利潤的來源都是來自於企業,所以過去這十幾年來,各位可以仔細的去調查追蹤一下,這傢伙從來沒有站在勞方的立場說過話,永遠都是站在資方的立場要求勞方要更加拼命、要更加認份,拿更少錢,做更多事,有更少意見,說更少話.....

難怪網友每次都會笑這些人力銀行的任務根本就已經從「幫別人找工作」轉而變成了「幫企業找奴隸」!

想想看,在這世界上,除了奴隸之外,還有誰會幫企業和主人免費的賺錢?

而在這些奴隸銀行的大量鼓吹之下,竟然真的有越來越多單位去登錄所謂的不支薪實習生,或是實習期間不支薪的工作。

更別提他們自己可是很認真的執行所謂的不支薪實習計畫,還有大學這麼興高采烈的幫忙宣傳:

有沒有把企業經營成非營利組織是多麼英明神武的八卦?

另外,我每次看新聞都已經厭倦了看到這些奴隸銀行恐嚇求職者和大學生的數據分析了。不知道各位是不是會有跟我一樣的看法?

既然是幫人找工作的人力銀行,你他媽的大家找不到工作不就是你們的錯嗎?還出來唸個屁啊!

Lucifer

呿呿.....

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迴響 from: 包包瘋 [訪問者] · http://www.baobaofan.tw/blog
看完,再搶,不知變第幾?
2009-06-08 @ 20:23
迴響 from: 美鳥 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/shihbird
喔~難得這麼前面
2009-06-08 @ 20:25
迴響 from: meso [訪問者]
e04人力銀行...
2009-06-08 @ 20:26
迴響 from: kiwi [訪問者]
跟企業一起吸血的惡魔...
2009-06-08 @ 20:27
迴響 from: elaine [訪問者]
好久沒留言了,第4!!
2009-06-08 @ 20:27
迴響 from: universityaa [訪問者]
嘔,我失業一陣子了。每次看到奴隸銀行的分析,都讓我有一種沒有明天的感覺!真要感謝朱大的仗義執言,讓我恍然大悟,奴隸銀行去你的蛋蛋。
2009-06-08 @ 20:27
迴響 from: KC [訪問者]
不能同意你更多@!!
2009-06-08 @ 20:27
迴響 from: 棋子 [訪問者]
*****
罵得好啊~
我爽!
2009-06-08 @ 20:29
迴響 from: Gke [訪問者]
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有前10吧!!! 這樣的104總裁呀....
2009-06-08 @ 20:30
迴響 from: SKY [訪問者]
搶一下,好前面
2009-06-08 @ 20:31
迴響 from: Emil [訪問者]
看完,我當初找工作有類似的辛酸,總覺得104都是幫企業不幫求職者...結果現在回想,我工作做到現在好像沒有一份工作是從104上面找的...orz

那我幹麼去登錄會員....
2009-06-08 @ 20:32
迴響 from: abc123 [訪問者]
這就叫做 -- 換了位子就換了腦袋
2009-06-08 @ 20:38
迴響 from: LGZenith [訪問者]
104是幫人找工作沒錯
不過在此同時該公司也是以營利為目的的企業,向錢走理所當然,不這樣宣導,找工作的人怎麼會願意花錢去參加該公司的就業方案之類的,補習班等等又怎麼會願意跟他們買廣告勒。
2009-06-08 @ 20:40
迴響 from: 無聲的雨 [訪問者] · http://fyc-van.blogspot.com/
難得這麼前面.
推一個.
2009-06-08 @ 20:47
迴響 from: licia [訪問者]
*****
說的好!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!XXD
2009-06-08 @ 20:49
迴響 from: DUDU [訪問者]
一竿子打翻一船人啊...
延畢有罪是吧?那因為雙主修被檔被衝的人呢?還好現在覺得這一年過得比前四年充實...科科。
2009-06-08 @ 21:01
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
早就說你跟我實在有夠麻吉的,我還延畢兩年咧,你輸我累累。
話說回來,前陣子張忠謀把裁掉或休無薪假的人找回來,還算是有擔當的。
說到上無薪班,畢竟也是有人甘為卡位而預設先苦後甘,上無薪班恐怕是非常時期才會有的想法吧,楊基寬這樣賺難民財,真是悲哀。
2009-06-08 @ 21:13
迴響 from: g8202 [訪問者]
三、四年級做決策,六、七年級買單


那五年級的 要怎麼辦??
2009-06-08 @ 21:16
迴響 from: 水餃 [訪問者]
e04人力銀行+1 XD
2009-06-08 @ 21:17
迴響 from: 阿尼 [訪問者]
其實我看完朱大轉貼的那段新聞稿,我覺得楊董的本意應該不是如此,我反倒覺得他指的應該是「為了怕出社會而故意選擇延畢或唸研究所」的人,不過或許是他講的太快未經細慮,抑或他原意如此,只我誤會他的意思呢? anyway,我個人還是比較傾向前者 …

不過 1111 跳出來講的那些東西:「大學生絕對不是懦夫,我們要提出嚴正的抗議,沒有任何大學生願意不找工作,而是社會跟國家有沒有提供機會,給我們的應屆畢業生。」 .... 你到底在講什麼呀....
2009-06-08 @ 21:19
迴響 from: 男子漢 [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/afooque/invite
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延畢有犯法嗎? 延畢的人沒骨氣嗎? 科科
2009-06-08 @ 21:20
迴響 from: ghostfire [訪問者] · http://ghostfirerh.blogspot.com/
我想罵人都不會考證這麼多耶XD
朱大果然是朱大XDXD
2009-06-08 @ 21:22
迴響 from: cchien [訪問者] · http://cchien.pixnet.net/blog

一早起床就看到朱大火力全開啊科科
2002年我剛退伍時也是去人力銀行註冊貼過CV
上面明明寫著我要找份跟統計有關的工作
結果打電話來的居然是叫我去當臨時演員
那時我就覺得這奴隸銀行的quiality實在有夠糟糕

2009-06-08 @ 21:23
迴響 from: Jeremy [訪問者]
*****
罵的好,104奴隸銀行造就目前台灣就業市場的亂象
搞的HR利用你可以量化的資訊(證照等)來評估你的實力,他們也省事。

還有有奴性的台灣人多過沒有奴性的(抱歉語氣重了點),勞方才會覺得應該替資方做牛做馬。反正就算你不做還有一堆新鮮的肝等著去電子公司燃燒。
2009-06-08 @ 21:29
迴響 from: taddy [訪問者] · http://taddyfly.blogspot.com
如果是董事長特助或是幫董事長提包包的無支薪工作就很棒..因為真的可以學到東西...

基層的無支薪工作真的除了被當奴隸小弟小妹之外,很難想像可以讓自己有什麼成長...成長的是肝指數.. 少的是存款
2009-06-08 @ 21:30
迴響 from: martian [訪問者]
不有句話~"換一個位子就換ㄌ一個腦袋"嗎?
2009-06-08 @ 21:35
迴響 from: 祐 [訪問者]
*****
我想要說的朱大都已經說了,很多時候做事也有無力感也是這麼來的
2009-06-08 @ 21:39
迴響 from: knight00931 [訪問者]
*****
重點就是有白痴把這一堆白痴的話當真

真是悲哀
2009-06-08 @ 21:45
迴響 from: Freefall [訪問者]
這種免費實習的工作,本多是"過渡性質"的,現在怎麼變成光明正大的應召?還詳細列明"備取資格"?

請"義工"免薪服務不都是低聲下氣的嗎?要不,也要客氣一點,擺出麻煩拜託請來幫忙的低姿態?這種"免薪徵才",還真是跩!

台灣真的是變成勞隸市場了嗎?!

一般人找免薪義工,大多打算先跨一步進公司門檻,期望若表現優異,遭上級刮目相看,或可被拔擢扶正,成為有薪職員。不過,若是業界能如此有規模的開條件,大言不慚得找免薪工奴,業主哪還有規劃正員的Motivation呢?

"免薪義工"不是不好,臨時性暫時性的偶一為之,對資方或勞方都有周濟效用。但若某一業者老是為同一工作找義工,大規模的招請義工,那麼,這就是在經濟低迷下趁火打劫,暗度陳倉地享用勞工奴隸。不加審查的人力仲介公司,也就間接變相成為奴隸販子。

人力仲介公司應該能從業主徵才Data中看出,這個公司,老是找勞奴,這個工作,總是沒薪津。若歸納出這樣的趨勢,人力公司"應該有義務"提出警語"服務",告訴求才者,這個企業目前徵員的職位,還沒有僱義工轉正職的"傾向"(不是不可能,只是還沒有發生過,所以有這樣的傾向)(有義務的服務,所以不能強求。但是這位演說者如此Riding on his high horse,應該有這樣的道德勇氣來服務大眾吧。)

如果勞方還是願意進去建立人脈,那就是一個願打一個願挨。但我想多少會減少企業免費勞工的奴隸Pool。

好像和主題沒啥關係。只是看到無薪徵才十分訝異。原來台灣的"勞隸"市場的供需,已經可以如此大字張貼,有挑有撿的找人才了!
2009-06-08 @ 21:51
迴響 from: 野獸醫生 [訪問者]
我也是延畢的......

不過我的所有工作(第一份工作除外)都是在104上找的,說實在,我還蠻喜歡104的,因為找工作真的有方便到.

我只是把104當作一個平台,一個有效的平台(至少對我這個獸醫來說是有用的)

完全不知道原來104的主管是這樣的人...
2009-06-08 @ 21:52
迴響 from: S. Peter [訪問者]
樓上Freefall大明鑑,那份理直氣壯的免薪徵才根本就是E04自家的啊……

奴隸販子當然也是最大奴隸主……
2009-06-08 @ 22:00
迴響 from: kkk [訪問者]
台灣公司HR跟主管對找人這件事無腦
又不是一天兩天的事情
以前聯詠找我去面談
林背還在上班,結果為了主管沒時間就改了四五次
假都白請.後來好不容易去那間這麼忙的公司,
做完一堆鬼測驗,主管來開頭第一句話:
我們要找資工資科或者交大資管畢業的.就算我報上去,老闆那邊應該也不會過.
幹你老母.我是資管畢業,履歷上面寫得清清楚楚,
104給你們的上面寫一次,我剛才在那間像倉庫的會議室又用手寫一次,
是看不懂中文還是我寫的是德文,
雖然心裡面怒到極點,不過還是要保持風度,
說些希望貴公司能考慮我的工作經驗,讓我有機會在貴公司服務的屁話.
後來當然是沒有聯絡,不過我也找到更好的工作.
聯詠有這種鳥主管的公司難怪現在走下坡,剛好而已.
像仁寶的主管比起來就天差地別,不但認真看過履歷,還會誠實說明薪水福利公司各種規定上班情況,
順便跟你分享自己的工作經歷跟心得,給你一些中肯的建議.
雖然代工業廝殺激烈,仁寶還逆勢往上爬了一點,公司文化真的是有差.

104不用付出一毛錢就拿到這麼多年輕肝臟的履歷,然後又發表這種屁話,應該是敗象已顯.
2009-06-08 @ 22:01
迴響 from: 嘎逼 [訪問者]
反對延畢沒骨氣之說!

就算是延畢生中輟生什麼生~重點是看他的未來啦!

想當初我也延畢一年。
2009-06-08 @ 22:07
迴響 from: 良葛格 [訪問者] · http://openhome.cc
我是儒夫,謝謝楊董指點!。。。XD
2009-06-08 @ 22:09
迴響 from: 鄉民i [訪問者]
偉哉!! 字字珠璣
2009-06-08 @ 22:09
迴響 from: 研究生的呢喃自語 [訪問者] · http://terrylogin.blogspot.com/
成功之後總會變一個樣子,台灣這個環境似乎總是這樣王八蛋,自己窮途潦倒時一切都可以,但自己幸運成功後又開始壓榨別人,所以我希望像甘地說-我們必須是我們希望在這世界看到的改變力量
2009-06-08 @ 22:11
迴響 from: CCC [訪問者]
話說我們公司.....
前兩年賺錢的時候 一直叫我們加班
到今年景氣不好就開始限制加班
還美其名曰: 勞基法規定 ........
挖哩勒....勞基法又不是今年才開始實行
真要講勞基法 沒跟我們協議就叫我們放無薪假
還說是調整休假

真是!#$@#%^&%^........
2009-06-08 @ 22:12
迴響 from: 向敢言之人致敬 [訪問者] Email
*****
台灣真的需要人出來替勞方說話,不只如此台灣也需要些勞工工會,資方壓榨勞方太久,已經習以為常,現在又多了些為虎作倀的掮客大賺這種剝削錢,你這篇文章都有點到一些問題和癥結,也不小心揭露某個雙面人的瘡疤,真是大快人心!
2009-06-08 @ 22:13
迴響 from: bison520 [訪問者]
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還免費上班勒!
先不管員工要不要吃飯好了,萬一當了免費奴隸大半年,公司還是人事凍結,怎麼辦?
身家不明免費工作,公司敢委以重任?教育部給的實習名額2萬2對公司來說已經算是免費的了,拜託不要再壓榨臺灣的勞工了!

去年→先求有再求好
今年→去企業當免費義工
明年→去企業工作,再捐款給老闆這樣行了吧!
2009-06-08 @ 22:14
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
這感覺跟以前高職的校長在夜會說我們陰間部的學生都是因為短視近利所以才會想要半工半讀有異曲同工之妙啊XD!

它馬的如果可以不用打工賺學費,我幹嘛唸陰間部白天打工賺錢啊?
要不是現在的環境差到讓所有人都覺得要有更高的學歷才有辦法找到工作,哪有那麼多學生想要一直唸一直唸一直唸,巴不得把所有能考到的證照都考到才能夠覺得安一點心?

免費工作?那你要不要一樣免費工作?還是要不要把你的薪水捐出來當這些畢業生的薪水?
如果家裡不缺錢誰要工作?
就是需要錢才會那麼急著想要找到工作啊!
就是有不需要跟你解釋的原因所以才會辦延畢啊!

沒本事像王永慶先生一樣提供人家工作機會也就算了,還想洗腦叫人家去當免費長工,你的良心是被狗啃了嗎?!
2009-06-08 @ 22:32
迴響 from: EUREKA [訪問者]
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工作之後,深深覺得講這些仁義道德的人阿!欸!
獸醫朋友,是因為人醫.獸醫醫療產業,找工作好找,我是人醫那邊的,如果找醫療行業,真的好找很多,但如果我我要跳去服務業!真的就很競爭,奴隸銀行上面很多公司,挑三揀四的,職缺還是掛假的,等到哪天有人走了,公司才會跑去開信箱,看最近有哪些人投履歷,趕快抓來用。
2009-06-08 @ 22:33
迴響 from: xo [訪問者]
*****
http://www.ejob.gov.tw/

請愛用它
至少它不會在你困難的時候笑你
2009-06-08 @ 22:35
迴響 from: 不良小涼 [訪問者]
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只能說這種偏激的言論不可取,一件事情本來就能有很多角度能去解讀,怎能說「延畢就是懦夫」?
根本沒考慮到其他原因嘛…

話說…那些報導是什麼時候刊載的啊?就是有關他失業那些的文章。是報導還是自傳什麼的?


(Lucifer:好像是楊基寬自己的自傳之類的~~~
2009-06-08 @ 22:38
迴響 from: 卡林 [訪問者] · http://blog.roodo.com/wingggg
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朱大講得真的太好了
楊基寬他自己有過這番經歷應該是鼓勵年輕人面對現在這種環境該怎樣做才對
而不是配合企業鼓勵大家領無薪當義工

如果大家都當義工 我去慈濟就好啦 還去企業卡位耶
2009-06-08 @ 22:57
迴響 from: 阿宗 [訪問者] Email
說好聽點是增加工作經驗

說難聽點就是做牛做馬不用錢阿
2009-06-08 @ 23:00
迴響 from: 怪叔 [訪問者]
人家要不要延畢就跟要不要晚婚一樣!或許有人逃避或許沒有,但既然都說一定逃不掉,那你擔心大家不面對現實就不成立啊!何況~先畢業跟先結婚一樣,不是先就贏,先畢業或先結婚有什麼了不起?找的到好職缺或不離婚才是真神氣!!
2009-06-08 @ 23:00
迴響 from: liqunyan [訪問者]
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我是懦夫中的懦夫,我延畢了兩年,沒畢業,當兵退伍後只好出來找工作。
我是覺得人生有很多路,路有很多走法,誰能判斷什麼時候做了什麼選擇是對的?誰能知道暫時逃避的人也許日後可以有其他成就?
什麼才是成就?那比爾先生逃避了哈佛的學業去創業,所以他是勇者中的勇者?
2009-06-08 @ 23:02
迴響 from: jimmy [訪問者]
如果學生是其他因素延畢,是不該被罵懦夫。但如果是為了逃避職場、害怕競爭而故意延畢,這樣的人是懦夫沒錯!!!!

我認為朱大應該一起罵後者才對,如果那些人是男子漢的話就不應該這麼懦弱!
2009-06-08 @ 23:04
迴響 from: Joshua Chung [訪問者]
這篇讓我想到之前參加卡內雞大學校內辦的就業座談會, 有人問到在美國的工作不太好找, 主講人也建議可用不支薪的方式去談談看說不定機會會比較多, 唉, 看來近年的經濟差到連卡內基大學的畢業生都得考慮先當個奴隸在慢慢翻身了. 我想這也許是近年經濟不景氣的權宜之計吧.
2009-06-08 @ 23:06
迴響 from: 潛水夫 [訪問者]
原來我是被掉的五年級。

-_-||||
2009-06-08 @ 23:17
迴響 from: lear [訪問者]
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如果有這個精神去拍企業馬屁,還不如利用這份熱情,為自己創業吧。創業就需要熱情,如果是為自己築夢,熱情更延燒....
虧楊老頭自己還在職場打滾那麼久,見過那麼多人,卻不知年輕人有的是什麼?需要的是什麼?一副老學就的姿態,真是青春不再...
2009-06-08 @ 23:26
迴響 from: 路人 [訪問者]
前面某樓說的捐款給老闆,還真的有人這樣說…

http://tinyurl.com/lb5gfo
2009-06-08 @ 23:27
迴響 from: lear [訪問者]
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希望歲月不要沖淡我們對人生的熱情,永遠....
2009-06-08 @ 23:28
迴響 from: simon [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/Simon_999
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朱大總是仗義直言,敢說真話的男子漢!!推!
2009-06-08 @ 23:34
迴響 from: Lich [訪問者]
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同樣有過失業痛苦經驗的104老總,面對失業後沒有具體方向的老總,今天卻要求畢業生「選擇理想公司,提出其產品問題解決方案,並願在景氣回春前免費上班」這樣的言論,原來這樣才是「勇者策略」,那麼,請問104的老總,為何當初在104創始時,不要求自己"在企業未招收到滿意良好且能通過公司三個月試用期的員工前,不收任何費用的「勇者策略」呢?"
2009-06-08 @ 23:36
迴響 from: Jason [訪問者] · http://jason0201.blogspot.com/
真是太中肯了,做不到還只會酸些有的沒的..
不愧是奴隸銀行派來的...
2009-06-08 @ 23:46
迴響 from: Derek [訪問者]
BRAVO~~
2009-06-08 @ 23:48
迴響 from: [POD] fox (26) [訪問者]
我想說的字眼,非常露骨,非常難聽...

這樣的行為,不就是皮條客嗎?不就是皮條客嗎?不就是皮條客嗎?不就是皮條客嗎?不就是皮條客嗎?不就是皮條客嗎?不就是皮條客嗎?不就是皮條客嗎?不就是皮條客嗎?不就是皮條客嗎?不就是皮條客嗎?不就是皮條客嗎?不就是皮條客嗎?

告訴你的小毛驢,要乖~不要吃草,就算幾十萬貸款,跟銀行委託的討債集團在後面趕,也不可以吃借用者的一口糧喔~
可以跟楊先生借用人力嗎? 我需要一個位高權重的人才,最完美的就是楊先生本人
用途:挑戰廢除死刑聯盟的善惡定義
預定出資:0
是不是勇者就看這次啦
2009-06-08 @ 23:54
迴響 from: 路人甲 [訪問者]
懦夫有什麼不好?
翻開歷史,這個封號可不是想要就可以要得到的,從句踐,管仲,韓信,劉邦,李世民,朱元璋,甚至有個逃到日本以抱日本右派大腿和糊弄日本大學生混吃等死的台灣歷史學者,都出書稱呼國父孫中山先生為懦夫.
名字只是一個符號而已,重要的你對自己未來的看法如何,對延畢的一年如何規劃,請不要讓我們的稅金繳得沒有價值.
2009-06-08 @ 23:56
迴響 from: Clio [訪問者]
我覺得社會在這樣發展下去...
過不久可能當義工還要給企業錢才能去...
冏rz
2009-06-08 @ 23:58
迴響 from: Blue [訪問者]
*****
下次我要穿懦夫救星的衣服去參加網聚
2009-06-09 @ 00:03
迴響 from: UZ [訪問者]
有時候人會變成自己當初最痛恨的那種人...
這就是既得利益者最明顯的現象..
2009-06-09 @ 00:03
迴響 from: JOHN [訪問者] · http://john0022.pixnet.net/blog
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會指責別人是懦夫的人 ,
他的行為及心態比懦夫更下賤 ,
因為他知道懦夫是無力反抗的一群人 ,
他不敢招惹企業主 ,
因為企業主是他的奶娘 .

真正有實力有人脈的人是不會失業 ,
自然不會去當無薪族 .

但企業因金融風爆而獲力不如預期時 ,
就只會對基層減薪遺散 ,
當他們招慕不到好員且不願付薪水時 ,
只好請這種真正的懦夫對 [未入市的懦夫] 喊話 ,
要他們來做奴隸 ,
替老闆及 CEO 賺錢 .

說穿了人力仲介就是十八世紀的奴隸市場 ,
只不過這些人穿了西裝打了領帶 ,
再加上媒體的包裝 ,
才比較人模人樣 .

2009-06-09 @ 00:04
迴響 from: G [訪問者] · http://gilly.pixnet.net/blog
嗯...雖然中午才在MSN上唸了學弟一頓,因為他一下子嫌棄就業博覽會的職缺有很多是便利商店和中油那種連鎖加盟店來找店員和時薪人員,沒有發展性;一下子又說企業要求實習生做的事情太多了月薪還只有22,000,錢還是政府出的。(靠老娘當年景氣超好的時候畢業在廣告公司月薪也才22,000還要扣勞健保咧!)連我這個六年級小阿姨都覺得學弟是爛草莓,覺得他即使被瞎了眼的HR和主管錄取,應該試用期每前很快就會爆漿被換掉...扯遠了。
不過我也覺得…104的風格越來越損人不利己,而且其實透過人力銀行找到的人往往名不符實的機率高達50%以上。以自己和週邊朋友找工作的經驗(不管是企業主或勞方)來看,雙方越來越傾向找獵人頭個體戶,即使對方要收介紹費(佣金)也甘願,首先head hunter收費往往比較有彈性,怎麼樣也比奴隸銀行便宜;再者越重要的職缺越需要可以隨時上線而且磨合期短的專業經理/技術人員,也許人力銀行大量的履歷資料庫可以讓企業主有慢慢挑好貨的錯覺,但以teamwork來說,相容性才是重點,那可不是履歷資料庫或者面試就能看出來的,head hunter在口碑和信用調查上往往比奴隸資料庫來得可靠,因為如果為了做1筆生意而推薦爛人選,之後那個head hunter應該也不用在這個圈子混了。
我不曉得其他產業是不是這樣啦~也許是因為我們傳播業沒有專業~XD,所以head hunter還能在這裡存活,不曉得其他產業的狀況如何?如果有HR能現身說法一下更好,我其實還挺好奇為什麼這麼多公司心甘情願讓奴隸銀行把錢賺走的,因為他們介紹來的人都很難用啊...!
(p.s.我和同事們覺得這年頭當專業head hunter蠻有賺頭的,又不像人力銀行那樣在剝削勞力,有一種做好事還有錢拿的感覺耶!創業啦創業啦~~~XD)
2009-06-09 @ 00:06
迴響 from: wild [訪問者]
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屁股坐穩,大頭病就開始犯了。
這種屁股決定腦袋的事,小朋友不要學呀!
2009-06-09 @ 00:07
迴響 from: BLUE [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/BlueGo
被罵懦夫的+1

人生是不能有迷惘嗎?

你22歲就能知道這輩子要做什麼了嗎?

研究所有這麼好考嗎?

每個人都選的到課來重修嗎?


連當兵都有薪水了!!!

沒有薪水,空轉的努力根本無法給人信心

自以為很了解訓練人才,不就是因為不懂人心,所以才會讓自己的下屬無心工作,不良率提高不是嗎?

沒想到窩在家裡這麼久還是沒長進。

2009-06-09 @ 00:19
迴響 from: 路人甲 [訪問者]
幾年前,有一家著名商業及管理雜誌的總編輯來敝校演講,他提到有一次雜誌社面試電訪人員時,有一位應試者問了個問題:
〔請問一下,貴公司對員工的個人成長有沒有什麼規劃?〕
在這裡我先賣個關子,請各位猜猜這位〔著名商業及管理週刊的總編輯〕的答案是什麼?













您猜到了嗎?






























他當時的回答是:〔你來這裡的工作是幫我賺錢,我管你的個人成長做什麼?〕
如果這個答案出自一個普通公司的主管,我不會驚訝(畢竟日頭赤炎炎,隨人顧性命;人不為己,天誅地滅),但沒想到說這句話的,是一個商業及管理雜誌的總編輯,那一陣子他主編的雜誌,還要大學生隨意注意個人成長,與公司共同前進之類的美麗辭彙.
坦白說,他讓我想起湯姆.克蘭西書中描寫那些舊蘇聯時代在劇院看天鵝湖會哭得稀里嘩啦,走出劇院會下令抓一萬人去勞改,讓他們家破人亡的政委.
我不知道那場演講對在場其他同學的影響是什麼,不過從此以後,我就沒再看過那位大公主編的雜誌了.
2009-06-09 @ 00:19
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
有沒有人有楊董或是TVBS的演講畫面呀,想要搭配上事後否認不敢看鏡頭的嘴臉幫他混音作個電音搖滾~~~

Lucifer
2009-06-09 @ 00:27
104奴隸銀行
2009-06-09 @ 00:30
迴響 from: 地球保衛者 [訪問者] · http://funny-everyday.blogspot.com/2009/06/01.html
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地球保衛者?有梗!
2009-06-09 @ 00:33
迴響 from: 王中之王的王 [訪問者]
嘿嘿....換了位子就只會幫企業講話的
不止於他啊=.=

正所謂有功夫,無懦夫

這個故事告訴我們
拍馬屁的功夫真的很重要"囧
2009-06-09 @ 00:34
迴響 from: 黑色娑羅雙樹 [訪問者]
為了響應免支薪做經驗的
提供各位大學畢業生一個全新的生活
在下也想徵才
只要面貌皎好優先錄取
相信在我的領導及教育之下
將來你可以談到更滿意的包養價碼
2009-06-09 @ 00:34
迴響 from: 將軍 [訪問者]
只怪他口快
畢竟
延畢有很多理由
就像胖子胖也有很多理由
他總不會覺得胖就該死吧
2009-06-09 @ 00:35
迴響 from: 黑色娑羅雙樹 [訪問者]
樓上的
我現在才知道傳播業這麼競爭
還有獵人頭在弄哦
我可以界紹幾個相好的傳播妹給你嗎

2009-06-09 @ 00:38
迴響 from: マダオ [訪問者]
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我大學日文系畢業,第一份正式工作是朋友推薦的,後來因為公司經營不當加上父親病倒所以逼的我離職,隔兩個月在104找到一份由日x人力派遣公司派遣到龍潭合x汽車的派遣工作,做了不到兩星期,父親走了,這個x信汽車透過x總人力公司告訴我,我不用去了,原因是我請假太多(我要請喪假),從父親走了以後到現在半年多,陸陸續續在104投過的履歷也不下百封,從開始的業務到現在的作業員或餐廳服務生,我都投了,到現在連我都不知道是不是我的問題還是怎樣,依舊是個マダオ...104楊老總的話,總絕得莫名的礙眼阿...
2009-06-09 @ 00:49
迴響 from: oskar [訪問者]
*****
我想起 一本我偶然收藏的馬斯洛的書
中文好像叫做 馬斯洛:人性管理聖經 之類的
當然 我們可以說
心理學的書籍 專家的想法 很多時候是理論而已
不過這本書給我的感動是
馬斯洛思考 企業/管理/社會/工作/責任 etc
這些東西非常認真的觀點 而且時常是著重於實用性(當然有時候也很理想化)
而且 有些企業/經理人 接收了他的觀點之後
會很認真地試圖做嘗試 或者將這些經驗納為己用

然後對照 我上財務管理時 財務金融主管的使命"將股東權益最大化"
似乎挺ironic

世界上會有許多信念供你選擇
也許你會有所偽裝 或是隱藏
但是 面對你的靈魂應該要有誠實的答案吧

我只看過馬斯洛這一本著作 便覺得 他能有這麼高的地位 絕非浪得虛名啊
2009-06-09 @ 01:02
迴響 from: hinano [訪問者] · http://hinano666.pixnet.net
年初時,有個噁心的廣告,大力歌頌企業主讓我們父母有工作,讓我們有飯吃。

本來我真覺得這是白痴廣告。
現在懂了,原來是人力銀行在感謝他們的衣食父母。
2009-06-09 @ 01:05
迴響 from: oskar [訪問者]
*****
我突然想到一件事情
既然 楊董的家人 當初願意包容他
給他機會 走自己的路

怎麼 當他變成楊董之後
不知道何謂將心比心?

我的偶像 村上春樹
也是當了好一陣子的家庭煮夫
才寫出他的代表作的
2009-06-09 @ 01:10
迴響 from: 116鄉民 [訪問者]
真爽,還好沒去畢業典禮聽這奴隸頭子說話,要

不然當天好心情就沒了,有些人物總是會忘了初

衷,總以過去經歷壓人,而不是提拔人,唉~

朱宅爸,恭喜你囉!有妻有兒^^
2009-06-09 @ 01:15
迴響 from: 黑色娑羅雙樹 [訪問者]
樓上的牽托牽很大啊
雖然那個老總說了一些白爛話
其實不管那個公司的老總
大多都會說一些白爛話
但是我也是看104找工作的啊
我在104找到第一份工作,第二份…第n份
加上現在這一份也是在104找的
我的所得一年比一年高,但是沒有像朱大一樣一次就賺幾千萬
104只是平台而已
你工作越混越回去關104啥事啊
2009-06-09 @ 01:31
迴響 from: Star [訪問者]
*****
回前面不知到幾樓...@q@
張忠謀把那些人找回去才不叫什麼有擔當勒...
當初不景氣時明明可以從減少一些高階主管的分紅或薪水來下手(張忠謀自己就領了非常多),
高階主管少領那幾%並不會對他們的生活品質造成多大影響,
可是那幾%不知道等於多少的一般員工的薪資勒...
而這些員工又代表了多少個家庭阿,
然而現在景氣稍微回復了他才又放話把那些人找回來,
看起來似乎很有擔當、有愛心,
但實際上我認為卻是“與其重新再訓練一批員工,倒不如把原本的找回來”的這樣一種想法,
而且現在台積電董事長不是已經換人當了嗎...
感覺主導權還是在他手上阿~真是怪了
2009-06-09 @ 02:02
迴響 from: 556 [訪問者]
完完全全把資方的嘴臉表達到一個淋漓盡致的地步了..看的出來..他很得意..非常得意..才會情不自禁講出這麼有水準的話..看來政府最近的22K政策讓奴隸銀行抽了不少吧..
2009-06-09 @ 02:16
迴響 from: T.-S. Lee [訪問者]
*****
那天沒開放畢業生家屬上台發言,不然我會上去嗆。
(雖然阿宅都習慣事後再來馬後砲,不過這次不是)
在台上講那什麼鳥話,真的是資方的走狗。
2009-06-09 @ 03:13
迴響 from: hiso [訪問者] · http://www.iamhiso.com
楊先生是以前老闆,我想他的想法很簡單,應該只是單純地就這年來的經濟不景氣影響,對今年原本該應屆畢業,因對職場恐懼而刻意延畢的比例升高之下所說的重話.不用太過反應.

同樣地免費幫企業賺錢,這個東西,換個角度來說,不支薪的情況,作這工作的人,隨時都可以走,他手中的工作隨時可能中斷,而企業再找人再教育再銜接,一個企業要花在這樣異動頻繁事務上的成本或損失,很可能遠比找一個支薪的還高很多,
所以這東西對企業對求職者是好是壞,應該是依各個個案而定.
2009-06-09 @ 03:28
迴響 from: 阿人家就是不缺人麻 [訪問者]
http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/090606/8/1krzr.html
國際戰(市)場就熄火了!哪裡來需要那麼多兵?現在是要社會新鮮人都變成魔鬼終結者就對了啦?
2009-06-09 @ 04:24
迴響 from: 路人 [訪問者]
有沒有人想創業?寫個反奴隸的網頁吧,
把面試,在職,離職時遇到的鳥事集合起來,
當然要有搜尋功能,讓人去找工作時可以
挑選,而不是被押著打。

把履歷底牌都先給人看了,被人挑三檢四,
也該有個對應的挑公司銀行才對啊。

我來當第一個會員吧...
上次花了來回10個小時去面試,講不到
5分鐘就叫我回去。履歷拿在手上也不看,
也不讓我自我介紹,自說自話一陣子就說:
我覺得你不適合。履歷還我叫我走人。
耍人也不是這樣的,2坪不到的辦公室,
要錄取我我大概也會推掉,懶的再跟他
浪費時間,走人回家。
那家公司叫尖兵資訊,台北車站附近,
軟體公司,不過我嚴重懷疑老闆連E-Mail
都不會發...
2009-06-09 @ 04:50
迴響 from: 路人 [訪問者]
尖兵資訊google一下,找到另一位苦主
http://amychen1108.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!FC831D2023A0E27C!1377.entry
外面的會議室是別家公司的,2坪的辦公室
應該就是總公司吧,現場完全不像做軟體的,
苦主會想烙跑我完全可以理解。
2009-06-09 @ 05:09
迴響 from: 甲甲 [訪問者]
這些企業主幾乎都是比較有錢的人,為什麼還要叫我們這些沒錢的人免費幫他們做事呢?
覺得他們實在很沒有良心!楊基寬幫他們講話,也是沒良心的一員!
2009-06-09 @ 08:16
迴響 from: 李目白 [訪問者]
*****

不能認同朱佬更多。

俺已很久沒看文科科笑是也~
2009-06-09 @ 08:22
迴響 from: james [訪問者]
覆議版主的評論!
所謂滿招損!謙受益!
2009-06-09 @ 08:22
迴響 from: 李目白 [訪問者]
迴響 from: 路人 [訪問者]
把面試,在職,離職時遇到的鳥事集合起來,
====================
1111人力銀行有就有類似的討論版...堪稱社會人士科科八掛版~
2009-06-09 @ 08:34
迴響 from: zop [訪問者]
換了位置就換了腦袋的最佳寫照
2009-06-09 @ 08:38
迴響 from: 松鼠 [訪問者] · http://tec730721.blogspot.com/
*****
延畢一年又怎樣,我也是念到大六阿
e04奴隸銀行,專門欺負勞方呀
2009-06-09 @ 08:43
迴響 from: GM [訪問者] · http://www.pixnet.net/gm911
賤價競爭這種事情,發生在人力市場上還被鼓勵,這實在是件可恥的事。
可怕的是,資方引以為傲、勞方不敢吭聲,政府單位又樂觀其成。

這是什麼變態扭曲的社會啊!

2009-06-09 @ 08:47
迴響 from: DUDU [訪問者]
>knight00931
比起當沒良心的[Beeeeeep],我想我當個熱血白癡會活得比較快樂...

>hiso
『楊先生很nice的,這其中一定有什麼誤會...』(!)
2009-06-09 @ 08:55
迴響 from: 天空的牛 [訪問者]
這些免費人力,吃的是其父母的積蓄,創造的生產力卻不屬於它(公司應該也不會幫這些附生人寫推薦信啊)

有這種純資方的說法出現,表示這個社會已經徹底階級化了(跟對面的老共同一等級啊)
2009-06-09 @ 08:57
迴響 from: 時光 [訪問者]
*****
換了位置就換了腦袋啦~
通常小人得志就會自鳴自放,
反正成王敗寇就是所謂成功的最佳定義!
2009-06-09 @ 09:12
迴響 from: 童心未泯敗家男 [訪問者] · http://rickycat.pixnet.net/blog
我也是成大。。。
我也是延畢。。。
我。。。。是看到這篇文,才知道。。。
畢業典禮已經過結束了。。。。
2009-06-09 @ 09:18
迴響 from: 李大人 [訪問者] · http://alex.obm.tw/
奴隸?!!! 說得好.
2009-06-09 @ 09:25
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/baabuu
*****
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閱畢~~

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阿阿阿我也多延了半年說~~~~
2009-06-09 @ 09:44
迴響 from: 自由業 [訪問者]
*****
真是罵得太好了!最悲哀的是這種公然違反勞基法的言論,政府相關部門跟那些腦滿腸肥的民代沒有人敢出來吭聲,可嘆!
2009-06-09 @ 09:54
迴響 from: 陰靈寺 [訪問者]
你們懂什麼啊?
楊董不是因為逃避才辭職;而是在醞釀下一次行動的力量!
他不是因為逃避才辭職;而是轉進到更好的機會!
他不是因為逃避才辭職;而是因為時不我與!
(楊董,不用謝謝我;我只是平心而論罷了‧噢,對了,如果有月入十萬,準時上下班,又不用做太多事的工作,麻煩通知一聲,謝啦!)
2009-06-09 @ 10:02
迴響 from: aries79419 [訪問者] · http://aries79419.blogspot.com/
*****
換了階級就換了腦袋耶!
當初他自己怎樣就沒想過了嗎?
如果每個人的人生都可以用一個簡單的軸來呈現

那也太可悲了吧?
有多少菁英階級走到最後才發現自己當初走的路線是錯的呢?
2009-06-09 @ 10:04
迴響 from: G [訪問者] Email
我以後要叫他弱雞寬!
2009-06-09 @ 10:06
迴響 from: orange [訪問者]
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我當時在場聽,我是覺得記者很厲害。

雖然他的確是罵了延畢是懦夫、研究所是懦夫、、、共罵了三種人,但他沒罵當兵是懦夫(誤)

因為我也是延畢生,被他這樣一念我想舉手問問他,難道多修課就是懦夫的行為嗎,學分越少勇氣越高薪水越高?

但他其實有講,還找不到工作的延畢生、或是還不想面對找工作的研究生、、、,要賺錢養家活口、維持生計,總究得面對職場的,不可能躲一輩子。(打得內容是吸收過後有稍加潤飾、、、)

所以我覺得記者把文章擷取的很引起話題性。

可我對於他那什麼鬼勇者策略感到可恥,什麼不用薪水,我寧願他說是最低基本工資,然後先吸取業界經驗再來討論薪水,而不是在那邊胡扯什麼有勇無謀策略。
2009-06-09 @ 10:17
迴響 from: windlove [訪問者]
人力銀行的問題本來就多,仔細去看看現在台灣的人力銀行的背景,基本上就是一個好玩的事,有機會問問在裡面工作後的人,會知道很多驚人的內幕....比起一般公司來說...我只能說,靠!
2009-06-09 @ 10:33
迴響 from: yvonne [訪問者] · http://yvonnechao.pixnet.net/blog
奴隸銀行+1
2009-06-09 @ 10:43
迴響 from: seal998 [訪問者]
ㄟ....雖然我到現在還只是個延畢的研究生
從以前到現在找過的工作經驗通通都是在實驗室裡面當研究助理之類的工作,不知道有沒有資格討論找工作這種事情,可是我還是想講....關於無薪義工這種事情實在太誇張了,先不管這是對勞方的剝削,對於資方來講,難道沒聽過「不用錢的最貴」嗎?
本來以前很單純,勞方也是商人,販售自己的時間跟能力給資方,然後換取應得的薪資,本來都很單純,可是現在介入這種扭曲的變態思想,請問資方不出錢,那他有什麼本錢要求所謂的義工工作效率跟不亂搞?
今天一個公平的工作契約,是保障勞資雙方都能獲得一樣的權益;勞方可以有應得的薪水,而資方可以要求應得的勞力品質,今天奴隸銀行提出了這種剝削勞工的想法,短期好像是為了資方在壓榨勞方,可是長期來看只會創造出勞資雙輸的局面,而奴隸銀行可以從中間漁翁得利
其實這種作中間人的仲介真的是良心事業,而現在台灣幾個大的奴隸銀行很明顯的沒有任何良心可言,只是想把勞資雙方的對立拉高,然後從中混水摸魚,資方不見得都是萬惡的,搞不好也是被奴隸銀行利用的棋子也不一定
2009-06-09 @ 10:55
迴響 from: Mat [訪問者]
在軟體界工作了四年多,面試應徵者也有兩年時間了,上禮拜回學校與學弟妹分享面試的技巧順便回答他們畢業後準備就業的疑問,在此也跟各位分享一下:如上很多人所說,企業挑人,人也可以挑企業,是很正確的觀念,體質結構風氣不良的企業,的確無需要勉強加入,但面試前做足功課,不僅可避免浪費時間在這些不良企業上,還可在正式面試上給予面試官深刻的印象(有對面試對象公司做功課表是熱忱展現積極性),另一方面來看,企業為什麼要挑你?你有甚麼特質?你可以幫公司做些甚麼?你有些甚麼潛力(這個還蠻難說服面試官的...)?有很多剛畢業的面試者,面試時一問三不知,拿出成績單跟研究報告然後就等著面試官問問題,有些回答問題答案簡短到我想從她問題挖掘出他的特質與潛能都有心無力,現在不景氣的環境下,只要履歷上看不出任何特別之處,不管甚麼知名學歷一樣刷掉,連面試的機會都不會有,即使是使用人力銀行的平台,履歷還是可以自己寫阿...,光是履歷一關就過不了,還會有甚麼後續呢?你有多好多認真多有淺力又有甚麼機會可以證明呢?又如上有些人已經提到,目前政府有所謂的企業實習生方案,對象是畢業三年內的學生,我碰過的面試者竟然取消面試的比例高過八成!!!,即使是在景氣好的時候正常的面試者取消面試比例也只有不到一成,取消的理由千奇百怪,有認為名額只有一名,自己希望不高的,有說新竹不熟,怕找不到地點的,實在是令人感嘆在哀嚎工作難找的時候,有多少人會自我檢討自己是否盡力了?
2009-06-09 @ 10:56
迴響 from: Mat [訪問者]
補充一個案例:今年參予台大與成大的校園徵才,有不少是家長來幫孩子面試或拿資料的...,幾乎都是說自己的小孩不急等等等,還有老媽壓著兒子來攤位看的,OMG,這不是用不景氣來逃避就業呆在家裡當米蟲是甚麼?
2009-06-09 @ 11:02
迴響 from: 宅男爸爸 [訪問者] · http://tco00945.pixnet.net/blog
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我不否認楊寬基說的可能是事實,但也不能以偏概全打翻一船子人。
我自己大學延畢兩年,我也不否認後來多延畢一年是為了逃避面對兵役跟就業的問題,甚至是可能會遇到的感情問題,一畢業等於就是要跟未來的老婆分隔兩地的那種不確定感,整的來說,其實也不知道延畢是為了什麼。
多延了一年還是沒考上研究所,所以只好乖乖的去當兵,運氣好老婆沒兵變,運氣更好的是我還躲過了2001年那波網路泡沫化的失業潮,退伍之後正好搭上景氣復甦,一路在電子業呆了6年,在職拿了碩士,結婚生子,升官加薪。
會讓我在就業後一路順利的原因,有很大部分我認為是我空白了那兩年,因為比別人起步晚了兩年,所以我才有比別人更大的能量去完成這些小小的成就,現在那兩年的空白彷彿已經不存在了。
逃避又怎麼樣呢?被當成懦夫又怎麼樣呢?
在有成果給大家看之前,對於這些責難除了一肩扛起,然後覺悟,去想辦法,去努力執行,講再多也沒有用。
當年楊寬基也當過這種人,我理解他應該是突然發現自己當年有多蠢,所以語重心長(?)要大家不要步他的後塵,但是個人對於e04一直灌輸學生那種學以致用就是為人所用的觀念,不予置評,因為我現在其實也越來越想fire自己的老板了。
2009-06-09 @ 11:04
迴響 from: 強人鐵忠 [訪問者]
剛在噗浪上講了一回

現在再來回一下好了

朱大真的很會搜集資料

我不否認有些人利用多念一年來逃避

逃避兵役或出社會都好

因為他們也許對未來還不清楚自己應該怎麼做

所以 延畢 或考研究所等等的

這樣可以晚一點再去思考這個問題

不過這就是懦夫嗎?

我不認為

難道他不會在這一年中學到東西嗎?

或者滿足他對人生的一些夢想嗎?

很多人喜歡用這種攻擊性的字眼來講話

但是說了 就要有被拿出來釘的準備

像朱大 三不五時就會有人說他如何如何的

一下子什麼網路群體暴力啊

這就是說出話來 所必需承擔的後果了

不過我看朱大並不會因為這樣而改變自己的講法

是真男人!
2009-06-09 @ 11:17
迴響 from: 拆組達人 [訪問者] · http://blog.iegoffice.com/
延畢是懦夫沒有錯!
但特指「技術性延畢」
如果明明就可以畢業
而「故意」延畢
只是種逃避的行為
就是個懦夫!
更爛的是,在這延畢的時間中
還是不停的玩鳳梨遊戲之類的浪費時間
因此白渡一年甚至兩年
那就是懦夫中的懦夫!
若是成績被當而不得不延畢
這是自己的學習問題
和逃避無關
不過也不是件光采的事就是了!

(Lucifer:什麼叫做鳳梨遊戲啊?
2009-06-09 @ 11:19
迴響 from: 免費算命 [訪問者] · http://blog.myorz.com
鐵支人力銀行和104人力銀行,
一直打壓勞方薪資,
薪資低,哪來的錢創造內需
算不算是破壞台灣經濟的原凶>
2009-06-09 @ 11:25
迴響 from: 夏夜 [訪問者]
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馬了個屄!
這個財團已經從把你們當人看
奱成
奴隸們! 吃屎吧你~

蔡宏圖談就業:起薪不是重點(聯合)
http://udn.com/NEWS/NATIONAL/NATS6/4950309.shtml

文中也提到: 新鮮人應評估,這份工作是否是職涯規劃中重要的起步,如果答案是肯定的,「就算沒有薪水也要去」。

草泥馬還真機靈, 風往哪吹就往哪裡倒!
2009-06-09 @ 11:32
迴響 from: Johhan [訪問者]
*****
我對懦不懦夫沒什麼意見,搞不好是他想要用來刺激那些真的在打混的學生,但是我就是很不爽他叫新鮮人或失業者去免費幫企業賺錢的意見,分明就是資方的走狗!並且,104這間公司根本就不在就業服務法的管理之中(沒有去登記成為合法的私立就業服務機構),打著就業服務的旗幟,但逃避政府法令的監督!
2009-06-09 @ 11:35
迴響 from: 夏夜 [訪問者]
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鳳梨遊戲=連線遊戲
2009-06-09 @ 11:35
迴響 from: 小史 [訪問者]
樓上的大大們
平息平息~~
以下為網路上找到的新聞原文
或許各位看完有其他不一樣的看法

http://news.sina.com.tw/article/20090606/1777509.html
(中央社訊息服務20090606 16:59:42)國立成功大學98年畢業典禮在6日上午10時璀璨登場,5,642名畢業生在成大校長賴明詔院士與台達電董事長鄭崇華、104人力銀行董事長楊基寬等兩位成大傑出校友的祝福與叮嚀…

 外文系71級、104人力銀行董事長楊基寬指出,首先報告的好消息,成大學生在歷年來,所有的調查當中,都是企業最喜歡的首選,過去是這樣子,未來還是會這樣子,因為這是我們成大的校風。

 另一壞消息,則是今年就業的情形比較不一樣,倒不是企業不再喜歡各位,而是景氣讓企業釋放給新鮮人的工作機會只有以往的一半,今年可能是30萬個畢業生要去爭取6萬個工作機會,畢業同學分配率只有百分之20。在這個嚴酷的事實下,許多學弟學妹們可能會不知所措,因此我想藉這個機會,給選擇延畢、選擇讀研究所、還有選擇進入職場就業的同學,一個小小的提醒。

 第一點,給選擇延畢學生的提醒,如果你是因為景氣風暴而決定在校園裡面多躲一年的話,但請你告訴自己,職場是你人生必經的路,你沒有任何閃躲的空間,如果你的生平第一次就當個躲起來的懦夫,那麼你還能指望有什麼擔當呢?成大的學生不應該如此。

 第二點,給選擇讀研究所同學的一個提醒,如果你讀研究所的出發點,是希望你將來的薪水會比學士要高一點,碩士的名聲聽起來會比學士要好一點,那麼整個社會,對於一個心中只是想著多賺幾塊錢及虛榮心作祟的碩士生,還能期望他什麼呢,社會指望你讀研究所是希望你論文的研究主題能為社會或產業解決某一個學士生無法解決的問題,而不是指望你拿一篇長篇大論甚至是廢話連篇的論文來滿足你個人狹隘的虛榮心和薪水的要求,因此請告訴自己,職場是你人生必經的路,如果你生平第一次就只能這麼狹隘的自我期許,那麼你能夠指望這個狹隘的主人,就是你,會有什麼擔當呢?成大的學生不應該如此。

 第三點,是給選擇就業的同學一個提醒,我有信心學弟妹們都能順利找到工作,但因為今年景氣比較特殊,如果不幸的在未來,你已經不眠不休努力找工作找了三個月,還沒有找到的話,那麼請試著採用學長要給各位的一個策略,叫做「勇者策略」,當我們剛畢業的時候,什麼都還不會的時候,我們需要爭取的不是薪資,我們需要爭取的不是公司的大小,我們需要爭取的不是公司離家近不近,我們需要爭取的不是公司有沒有某一項的福利,我們需要爭取的不是公司需不需要加班,我們唯一需要爭取的就是那最珍貴的磨練,還有證明自己的機會,因此所謂的勇者策略是,當你經過3個月都還不能找到工作的時候,請挑選一家你心目中的公司,仔細研究這家公司有什麼地方是你可以為他們帶來所需要的解決提案,然後西裝筆挺的走進那家公司,眼神正視老闆跟他講說:「老闆,我這裡有一個針對貴公司某產品的提案,我願意不拿薪水,為公司效勞,直到景氣恢復為止。」老闆問你為什麼,你就跟他講,因為我需要磨練,我需要向你證明我是有用的,半年後如果景氣恢復,那麼老闆肯定會先用你,因為企業看到了你的主動,因為企業看到了你的解決能力,因為企業看到了你當仁不讓的決心,屆時你的經驗超過那些空等待的同學。

 勇者策略對你而言,你nothing to lose,我不敢肯定你是否會成功,但可以肯定的說「你的懦弱肯定不會帶來成功」,否則世界就沒有公理;我不敢肯定你是否會成功,但可以肯定的是碩博士的學歷,不會為你帶來成功,鄭董事長大學畢業,鴻海郭台銘海專畢業,微軟的比爾蓋茲只有高中學歷,所以他們的成功都與學歷無關,他們的成功是因為他們根本不在乎學歷,他們的成功是因為在他們碰上逆境時,毫不猶豫的選擇跟逆境正面對決,我看得出來,你們當中的某些人,勢必將會讓個學校,這個社會,這個國家,以你為榮,祝各位鵬程萬里,一路順風。

(Lucifer:發了一個新聞稿跟現場說的不一樣,啊是能夠有怎麼樣的看法?現場說了之後不敢承認?
2009-06-09 @ 11:36
迴響 from: 大雞...bye [訪問者]
大家看看楊基寬的奇文-承擔,你就不會奇怪他會有這種狗屁不通的邏輯了
http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/news/wnlub9312/3/1310051355/20080904112718
2009-06-09 @ 11:37
迴響 from: Sampkao [訪問者]
這說明了人大概只能從自己的經歷去找尋因果,成功了這些經歷都是對的,是英雄崛起的必經之路,不照著去做的人都是敗犬;失敗了則正好對錯顛倒。

人生真只有一條道路嗎?

看來這位楊董也挺平凡的啊?不過1111跳出來主持正義倒是讓人會心一笑。
2009-06-09 @ 11:52
迴響 from: seal998 [訪問者]
大概奴隸銀行自己內部的惡鬥也要開始了
勞方戰資方還不夠,現在104可能也要戰鐵支
只有活到最後的勝利者才能贏者全拿啊~
2009-06-09 @ 11:56
迴響 from: ㄏㄏㄏ [訪問者]
那些打著人力銀行的公司,早就變質了

也沒什麼好說的,畢竟上述都是事實罷了

有能力改變現今環境的人,才是未來的成功者

依附在拓荒者的,只是等著撿便宜罷了

但是有能力撿便宜的人,不是財大氣粗,就是達管顯貴,下一個世代,這些公司也該...........
2009-06-09 @ 12:01
迴響 from: mummy336 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/mummy336
*****
打倒104、1111奴隸銀行
解救勞工權益
吳睿穎、楊基寬去吃屎吧
先免錢服務大眾到死再來嘴炮!
2009-06-09 @ 12:08
迴響 from: 拆組達人 [訪問者] Email · http://blog.iegoffice.com/
鳳梨的閩南語為「旺來」
和「On-line」諧音
故稱On-line Game為「鳳梨遊戲」
2009-06-09 @ 13:14
關於台灣的網路人力銀行,推薦大家去看這篇:
http://wjchang.pixnet.net/blog/post/2273329
網路徵才...到底有什麼問題

順便推同網站的這篇
http://wjchang.pixnet.net/blog/post/24137860
你的履歷表是廣告,而不是規格書
2009-06-09 @ 13:16
迴響 from: Lac [訪問者]
*****
不推不行
總算聽到公眾人物說了公道話相當令人欣慰!
2009-06-09 @ 13:21
迴響 from: 看不下去 [訪問者]
屈解他人本意,還罵得口沫橫飛...
居然還有一堆鄉民拍手叫好?!
台灣人的價值觀到底是怎麼了??

楊董是在刺激那些怕入社會找不到工作而選擇延畢的人...
幹嘛搞得好像他在指所有延畢的人?

當你找了三、四個月都找不到工作,
你是要繼續在家裡擺爛?還是應該想辦法先求有工作?
「免費上班」只是誇示,基本上工資填「依公司規定」,
只要你不是太差勁,錄取的機率就很高了!

你找不到工作怪人力銀行幹啥?它不過是個媒合平台罷了!
媒人婆幫你安排相親,還得要保證成親、包山包海、包生兒子?
怎不去看看政府在搞些什麼?不反省自己是不是不夠好?
千錯萬錯都是別人的錯,這樣的台灣還有將來嗎?



(Lucifer:你這麼義憤填膺擔心台灣將來,幹嘛浪費時間在這邊打字,不去幫政府免費工作,執行勇者策略哩?
2009-06-09 @ 13:29
迴響 from: cyber runner [訪問者] · http://orz18.blogspot.com
科科
這是所謂的邑犬之群吠嗎
若不是懦夫
幹麻急著對號入座呢
像朱宅大
已經是執行長了
當然可以跟e04的基董對幹
其他人看看就好呗
2009-06-09 @ 13:44
迴響 from: 寶良 [訪問者] · http://blog.smcc.tw
*****
只能給你一個GJ而已
2009-06-09 @ 13:45
迴響 from: 宅心人厚 [訪問者]
不知道有多少人看公視耶(我家就只有那幾台頻道可以按 XD),
前幾天公視在講短期人力就業的問題,有一個104的女性主管就一直鼓吹這種新就業選擇。

沒公司福利、沒勞基保障、隨時可以解雇你、法規鬆散、竟然說得像國家天大的恩准一樣...

我就把104的履歷給撤了...
2009-06-09 @ 13:52
迴響 from: 廚獅W [訪問者]
****-
每種論點在當時可能是對的,不過在經過後來檢驗卻不見得是對的。
104在目前環境下也應該會面臨招商不易(競爭者都在以低價趁機搶攻市場)利潤下降的困境
所以老闆又親自跳上火線,趁機教育一下求職者
企業希望的是「奴隸」,如果你不當奴隸,我們人力銀行也就是如此..

2009-06-09 @ 13:54
迴響 from: RR [訪問者] · http://roseroo.spaces.live.com/
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是的,不只是延畢,任何逃避現實的行為都算是懦夫。

我也延畢過...因為有些課就是修不過,對它沒天分吧~
如果延畢不是為了逃秘某些現實,那表示你沒有被【懦夫子彈】命中,又何須痛苦呻吟?
如果真為了不想太早面對工作去延畢或進修,那還真的滿懦夫行徑的。


懦夫行徑有錯嗎?當下是的~
重點在於你付出了懦夫行為的代價後,你作何打算?

RR本人亦在退伍後惶恐自己的能力並不適任就業市場的需求(幹當兵和社會脫節太久真的會怕啦)
龜了一段時間還是覺得這樣不行,才選擇去文大推廣部上課作短期進修,後來才順利找到工作......

面對未知的逃避心態人皆有之天性使然。
重要的是你打算逃避多久?你只是龜縮起來,還是戰略性轉進?



多少阿宅沉溺在線上遊戲,滿足於虛擬世界0與1堆砌出來的成就感。組工會、殺敵,連結婚養寵物都出現了。
當離線後,你還是和電腦楚囚相對。
看看電視,抒發對時局與政府的不滿。輕易的被煽動上街去丟汽油彈,對政府嗆聲我啥都不會但是你要給我工作。

當你每天醒來,面對鏡中的自己,難道不會有一絲徬徨:今天又是無所事事嗎?
如果沒工作先到便利商店上個晚班有何不可,白天又可以安排進修或面試。(不要夜班就是,會被搶劫)
重點是別失去積極的心態啊!



半年後景氣復甦了,你去面試
面試官:你在待業這段期間,做了哪些自我進修?
你:…
面試官:你待業期間生活情況如何?
你:(好像就是打電動吃飯睡覺……)主要是上網…
面試官:這段期間,你有沒有經歷過哪些事,是你覺得有意義的?
你:有啊我和朋友去抗議,那些警察打不還手好遜喔~
面試官:謝謝,有進一步消息我們會再通知你。
你:喔,謝謝(離開)
面試官:(幹又不會自我充實只會打電動,生活態度不積極又容易被煽動上街。浪費我時間,我它媽有病才會找這種人進來公司)下一位請進



重要的是你打算逃避多久?你只是龜縮起來,還是戰略性轉進?
2009-06-09 @ 14:24
迴響 from: being [訪問者] · http://www.e-info.org.tw
這年頭發現工作不好找, 人也不好找. 但, 事情本就如此. 倒是看到企業一直找各種理由來降低成本, 過去某些學校的建教合作就是一個最典型的模式. 現在各種狀況都出來了...

如果有人願意無薪去學習的話, 還不如投入社會公益團體. 他們既需要人, 也需要協助, 而且, 工作繁重, 正好可以學習獨當一面, 還比在公司裡被當小螺絲釘, 只能碰到某些面向的工作, 來得挑戰和有趣多了.
2009-06-09 @ 14:34
迴響 from: Beelzebub [訪問者] · http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/news/anruse/
*****
GJ

話說,e04人力銀行名字取得很好啊
想必楊董已經預見未來會被大家天天問候了吧 XD

至於鐵支銀行,敝人還沒去那邊登過履歷

至於那個甚麼勇者策略?
原來不支薪的奴隸叫做勇者啊
恩恩
果然這個世界還真是沒有真理咧~~~
2009-06-09 @ 14:44
迴響 from: leeada [訪問者]
恩阿
說一堆鬼話
聽起來似乎是很有道理啦

但是口氣就很難服人
2009-06-09 @ 14:59
迴響 from: 史蒂芬。阿匹婆 [訪問者]
搞什麼啊!大家都誤會楊董的意思了!
人家楊董的「勇者」策略~可是有所本的呢!
而且真的有人成功啊
好萊塢還拍成電影呢:
~~勇者無懼~~
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8B%87%E8%80%85%E7%84%A1%E6%87%BC_(%E9%9B%BB%E5%BD%B1)
我們這些不是奴隸的!當然不是勇者!我們不是勇者!當然就是懦夫~不過~當勇者的代價好像大的有點離譜......
2009-06-09 @ 15:35
迴響 from: aiueo [訪問者]
請問?
看回應很lag...有解決方法嗎?

很多時候總有一種錯覺.覺得故事是不斷重覆.

只是演員換人.
2009-06-09 @ 15:41
迴響 from: 宅心人厚 [訪問者]
同意being
我覺得去參予一些公益團體的志工工作,
過程中會萌發許多想法,
其時也更能清楚自己希望的是甚麼。

我覺得現在教育的過程中,很缺乏的一塊就是留白,
大家在學校的時間被讀書塞死,
卻不知道自己要在未來做些甚麼。
2009-06-09 @ 15:43
迴響 from: 看不下去 [訪問者]
抱歉,我失言了...
在這裡跟著罵的只是一小撮人,不能代表全台灣...

勇者策略只是提供給久久找不到工作的新鮮人的一種「建議」,
並沒有人強迫你一定要接受啊...
鄉民們沒必要去抹黑他人或做人身攻擊吧?

現在很多年輕人沒本事,吃不了苦,又老愛嫌薪水低,
以目前僧多粥少的情況來說,確實很難找到工作...

但不想辦法去充實自己,卻怪東怪西,怨天怨地,罵人力銀行?!
這恐怕也不是一種負責任的生活態度吧?
2009-06-09 @ 15:45
迴響 from: 野球人 [訪問者]
***--
這確實是一個大議題~
但找不到工作、延畢、找不到人生方向...
這些其實是有多環節造成的
從小到大,家長或老師告訴我們要把書唸好
唸的好上天堂
唸不好下地獄
但出來工作後,一開始似乎感覺學歷是有一些幫助
但是慢慢的在工作上和生活上的問題
都和學歷和會不會唸書無關
我們從小到大少了人教我們面對問題和解決問題的方法
只告訴我們要唸一堆書、唸好學校、找個稱頭又甜的工作
為了這樣的社會價值
進入到職場上又碰了一堆學校沒教過問題 (非專業上的)
加上勞方和資方的觀點又不同
勞方永遠希望以最大效益為出發點
資方永遠希望是自己得到一個肥缺

如果楊董的目的是提醒他的學弟妹
可能他措辭他嚴厲
而且他的年紀一定會跟年輕族群有代溝

延畢頂多我們會自嘲自己是多當一年米蟲
我個人是覺得當米蟲比懦夫還要糟
但被別人說是米蟲時,又會覺得有點屌
至少我就是家裡罩我,算我好運~

重點還是希望~
我們每個人不管念多少書,有沒有延畢
都有人或管道協助或幫助我們可養活自己
或我們可以過自己想過的人生
楊董批評也好、朱大回嘴也好
他們兩位都已經有很好的人生和駕馭的方式

但是其他大部分的人勒?
看完戲,回到現實誰來幫我們.....
不管哪一黨的政府
學歷愈唸愈高,失業率更高,難道害我們花更多錢和時間
指望企業幫所有的失業者...
連台積電這樣的大公司都照不了自己了...
學校老師可以幫我們嗎...
那..罵完後問題還是在
最後只能去算命,怪命不好,下輩子投胎希望像陳致中這樣爽嗎
還是就在家哩,反正談什麼就開轟

來朱大這邊也高談闊論一下~
不過沒什麼重點
我不是什麼董、也不是CEO
只是來發表我的看法
至於最後誰罵贏了,也對我沒幫助
來看看好戲
2009-06-09 @ 16:01
迴響 from: ckkc [訪問者]
他根本就站在資方立場講話
忘記自己曾經也是勞方的人

(朱大駡人有考據果然比較站得住腳)
2009-06-09 @ 16:07
迴響 from: 王中之王的王 [訪問者]
許多夜校朋友表示

因為工作延畢乃不得已也
如果畢業就要爆笑國家

爆笑國家之後情況也未必好轉
所以想先賺些再打算= ="
2009-06-09 @ 16:19
迴響 from: 麻衣 [訪問者]
****-
看了這整串回文,
當然企業資方只有現實面已經很狠毒,
就連某些大學科要求的實習,
也有很多單位是不給實習生錢,
想要她/他們的免費勞力,
就連有些教授也是這樣對待大學部幫做實驗的人,
真想叫這些人滾一邊去,
全部都是只顧自己利益的人啊!
2009-06-09 @ 16:31
迴響 from: Aven [訪問者]
我是一直很支持朱大的言論和理念,大概唯獨這一篇恕我無法認同了,科科

姑且不論說這句話的人有沒有資格,但我覺得他說的這句話本身「很中肯」...

試問,一個自己人生上所面臨的處境都不敢面對的人,不是懦夫是什麼?可以畢業卻不畢業,若告訴我是有什麼偉大的理想還是多麼偉大的計畫。在我看來那若不是及少數的一小群人就是一大堆推諉的藉口。

覺得104不好,那各位找工作要不要上104?104充其量不過是提供就業媒合的平台,或許每個公司、每個機制、每條法旅都有其不完美的地方。
但我這篇只看到一群說不出真正有力反駁不是懦夫的言論,只會跟這罵人、罵公司的人。

如果罵人的人這麼有能力,去當著你的主管罵吧,不然就自己開公司吧。在背地裡罵
各位覺得有很勇敢嗎?
2009-06-09 @ 16:35
迴響 from: seal998 [訪問者]
其實所謂的「勇者策略」,我覺得那只是一種破壞現在市場規則的個人英雄主義,就像永遠會有人拿比爾蓋茲大學沒畢業,王永慶沒唸過多少書在不斷的說嘴
對,沒錯,我們是看的到的這樣的勇者成功的銷售了自己,問題是那比例是多少?說穿了,有多少人是真正的「勇者」?每個人都可以拿著短刀到新手村找長老接任務,可是有辦法帶著魔王回來當武器的有多少?鼓吹勇者策略只是放大常態分佈之中偏向兩端的少數族群,可是卻會破壞掉現在大部分勞資之間的互信基礎
當頭的連薪水都不願意付,憑什麼要下面的人賣命?怎麼知道下面的不會餵了別人給的一塊麵包偷砍一刀?沒有投注任何成本,要怎麼保證品質?最基本的對價關係都不存在,連指控別人出賣的立場都沒有
不正常的理論,終究不適合正常人,就算有人因此成功,那也不是應該拿來到處說嘴的東西,鼓吹勇者策略,就是鼓吹大家來碰運氣


2009-06-09 @ 17:08
迴響 from: 我是懦夫啊 [訪問者]
我就沒用過查號台或鐵支找到工作。真正找工作都是靠朋友啦!除非你這人做人失敗,不然靠朋友才能拿到夠行情的工資。
查號台跟鐵支的功能比刊報紙還低階,人家刊報紙至少有心人才會發現小小一格分類廣告找上門。奴隸銀行卻是讓你自己脖子套索讓HR亂扯,沒搞好直接上西天!
不過我現在也選擇離開,嘿嘿,看到問題還不跑?不當懦夫就等著當被告啊。
2009-06-09 @ 17:18
迴響 from: 約翰走路 [訪問者]
也許他老人家就是因為逃避了大半輩子
才有感而發
不希望年輕人也像他當年一樣逃避吧?
2009-06-09 @ 17:20
迴響 from: 大家不要激動 [訪問者]
***--
我倒覺得大家反應過度了,我看到新聞片段,其實楊先生當時說話的語氣是很和藹、很循循善誘的耶~

而且他說的是"考量景氣不好而選擇延畢的人" 我同意這真的是延畢的一個超奇怪理由,如果發言的人真的是因為這個原因而延畢的話,才能夠因為自己"延畢"被罵到而感到不舒服吧。
2009-06-09 @ 17:45
迴響 from: danny [訪問者]
如果延畢就是懦夫

美國大學生都會利用大學時期到個地增廣見聞, 然後大學念個5,6年

那麼我們可以說美國大學是世界最大的懦夫集散地?
2009-06-09 @ 17:49
迴響 from: 阿堯-hit8881 [訪問者]
*****
洋基對今天又贏了 好爽喔!!!!
大家心胸要寬闊才能找到好工作喔!!~
2009-06-09 @ 17:51
迴響 from: 阿達達 [訪問者]
延畢不犯法,膽小怕事的懦夫也無所謂。但如果我是老闆...我也不想用這種人~
2009-06-09 @ 18:07
迴響 from: isel1708 [訪問者]
大家好
我有坐在台下聽啊
我也是今年的畢業生啊
當下我不覺得楊基寬先生說得有什麼不對!!
雖然感覺是誇張了點
但是 事實上他也確實點出了部分延畢生的心態
我想
他的建議或許誇張些 或是傷害了某些人
但比起一些言不及義的諍言
他算有內容了 也確實提出他的觀察
至於對不對 一樣也是見仁見智
倒是1111的聲明 就是真的來亂得
2009-06-09 @ 18:34
迴響 from: 跑步者 [訪問者]
「既然是幫人找工作的人力銀行,你他媽的大家找不到工作不就是你們的錯嗎?還出來唸個屁啊!」


心得
1.作人靠自己
2.能力要多充實
3.靠這個網站還找不到工作.時機歹歹.
它們也搞不出個屁來.因此.
又得呼應第1.2點
2009-06-09 @ 18:55
迴響 from: 阿倫 [訪問者]
***--
也許從另外有趣的角度來看這件事
被媒體把這件事吵的莫名奇妙
這件事到底對誰有利?
1、楊董
2、延畢生
3、企業
4、鐵支人力銀行
5、媒體
6、朱大

以下是我瞎掰的原因...
1、楊董總算有機會搞清楚什麼是真相
2、延畢生總算可以回罵老董
3、企業可以榨乾畢業生
4、鐵之銀行插花來表態幫延畢生,所以大家更愛他們
5、新聞台賺到收視率,兩邊罵愈多、收視率愈高
6、朱大又賺了流量和朱迷

到最後罵來罵去...
只有讓大家多打了一些嘴炮
媒體多賺了一些收視率
延畢生、企業、老董、朱大還是和原本一樣
找不到工作的,還是找不到工作
找得到工作的,還是找得到.....
2009-06-09 @ 19:02
迴響 from: 跑步者 [訪問者]
http://p3.p.pixnet.net/albums/userpics/3/9/1904639/4a2dadfa08d7f.jpg
2009-06-09 @ 19:02
迴響 from: 跑步者 [訪問者]
朱大
影片請接收
http://www.nownews.com/2009/06/08/327-2461910.htm
2009-06-09 @ 19:03
迴響 from: 捻姊甩尾 天下歸心 [訪問者]
市場實質利率為勞動的跨期折現因子,會影響勞動供給的實質報酬.

當期的實質利率下降,透過勞動供給的跨期替代,
將會使理性的經濟人選擇
"減少當期勞動供給",增加未來的勞動供給

1.看來大家都是理性人
2.顯然該人力銀行的學富五"駒"的講師群在
他們的簡老大演獎前沒有提示及代為捉刀
才會輪到我來吐嘈
真是可喜可鶴
2009-06-09 @ 21:31
迴響 from: 倉鼠 [訪問者]
*****
既然是幫人找工作的人力銀行,你他媽的大家找不到工作不就是你們的錯嗎?還出來唸個屁啊!

自己大聲的念出來...
還真有快感耶...XD

---
看完這篇文章後會有種...
"撿到一份工作咧...真爽咧...咧..."
...的感覺

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朱大是正港的男子漢!
2009-06-09 @ 22:14
迴響 from: EUCA [訪問者]
阿銅箔可以喘口氣了
2009-06-09 @ 22:44
迴響 from: Black Sabbath-結晶體 [訪問者]
想當然耳,104的營運機制是跟找人才企業收錢,當然要幫忙洗腦"未來員工"

不過能找到這白癡這麼多的自私證據,也不簡單,看得真爽

水喔朱大
2009-06-09 @ 22:55
迴響 from: yy [訪問者]
其實看完整的新聞影像 他的意思應該是 為了逃避就業而延畢的人是懦夫 只是被宣染成延畢=懦夫
不過我也不喜歡104的言論新聞稿 上週公視討論派遣人員 討論到後來邱文仁漸漸都不敢出聲發言了 整天上媒體要求求職者 如何如何的 剛開始還覺得受用 後來越來越誇張 那嘴臉真噁心
2009-06-09 @ 23:07
迴響 from: [POD] fox (26) [訪問者]
ok 那這樣說好了
身為一個經營者/領導者 居然沒有辦法給自己帶領的團隊更好的...

這些坐著的 今天站出來,針對可能將要補充他們的新血 說"你們應該不計代價的犧牲"繼續緊縮對下釋放的資源...

ok 有些板友也過著很安逸的生活,別忘了 你支持的這個結構 將來也會對你的次世代造成影響

也許有些人馬上就學會了企業的生存方式 有事撇乾淨 有功馬上邀,現在說著別人不盡力
那這樣好了,如果今天出現了 資歷/能力/態度 比你優的補充者 你趕不敢馬上從位子上站出來讓給他? 還是會馬上扯你之前為工作犧牲多少 擋了多少屎...只為保住位置?

扯一堆冠冕堂皇的廢話
有比"本公司就是給不起"貼近現實嗎?
公司行號 不敢闊斧拆解改組 去找出競爭力
用縮減門縫的小招小式 得過且過
難怪要一家換一家 過著賣藝的生活 身為台灣人的悲哀
還要聽沒被掃到的何不食肉靡

ps.有沒有人要接著討論公司行號都請女助理(這用途....) / 都要有3~5年經驗(XD這條打死多少) / 限制年齡(XD你看完敢放位子給你下屬 換你流浪看看)
2009-06-09 @ 23:51
迴響 from: 路人甲 [訪問者]
***--
大家太認真了
其實這是懦夫救星-魔鬼筋肉人請洋基寬幫忙促銷
人人有功練專案而已...
大家別上當了...
有問題就找魔鬼筋肉人吧...哈
2009-06-09 @ 23:53
迴響 from: dizzy977 [訪問者] Email
*****
等6~7年級的人死光,台灣就玩完了
2009-06-10 @ 00:54
迴響 from: 流浪小米 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/max9797
「勇者策略」~勇你媽啦

最好笑是蔡宏圖和蔡明忠最近也順便補一刀

叫大家也去免費工作~

可不可恥啊~你們這些資本家凸
2009-06-10 @ 00:56
迴響 from: blacktaco [訪問者]
真是寫得太好了
朱老大給你鼓鼓掌
幫許多人出了一口鳥氣~~~~
2009-06-10 @ 01:24
迴響 from: 扭曲的社會 [訪問者]
我是覺得~
現在真的是全球性不景氣
很多人找不到工作
根本跟能力無關

難道你要說這快破百萬的失業族統統都是能力不足?
那旁邊那個碩生應徵清潔員也沒上的是怎樣?

有工作的人 沒被颱風尾掃到的人
該惜福 而不是在那說風涼話
在那指指點點說沒工作的人該怎樣怎樣

就拿應徵便利商店這事來說好了

我相信 有一部分的人是眼高手低不去作
但是難道是全部??

現在連應徵警衛都搶破頭了
何況是便利商店??


你認為一個年輕的店長
他會綠取一個年紀比他大
曾經當過協/經理
中年失業的大叔當工讀生~
還是一個未經世事好管理的年輕學生當工讀生??

我朋友去應徵便利商店
還被店長訓說怎麼來跟學生搶工作勒XDDD

真的 要惜福 少說風涼話!!

------
再來
很多求職網站都教導大家要在履歷表下功夫
這其實無可厚非 也沒錯

但是他們沒說的是
企業有篩選資格的功能阿XDDDDD


他在年齡OR學歷OR性別一篩選
你履歷寫的再好有X用
他們一樣看不到阿XDDD

這才是QBQ (問題背後的問題)阿~
2009-06-10 @ 01:36
迴響 from: 黑色娑羅雙樹 [訪問者]
好好笑哦,這就是所謂鄉民的力量嗎
朱大這篇的確有一些問題啦
因為我沒看過採訪,我也不知道他是羞辱式的罵延畢是懦夫
還是一種誇飾法而已
但是照字面來看,
延畢如果是考試或分數不過所造成的
那應該罵延畢的是白爛
但是他罵的是懦夫
所以,他應該是罵那些可以畢業卻跟老師說希望被當的那些人
其實回頭想想,如果你真的是怕當兵
或是怕出社會才要求延畢的
那的確是懦夫啊

還有小弟認為
104提供的服務真的滿不錯的
我認為以一個謀職平台來說,我還不哩呀滿意
但是你運氣不好,去找到一個不肖公司
那是你個人的運氣問題啊
也是你經驗不足,才會無法分辯什麼是有問題的公司
我倒是認為,這是每個新鮮人都會遇到的問題
重要的是,你以後要成長啊,要學會判斷
我剛出社會也被騙去賣靈骨塔啊

至於大家找不到工作,真的有責任的是政府
跟104其實沒很大關系
104其實是一個很方便的系統,我已經三年沒去104登錄了,現在應該也沒很大變化吧?

不過朱大有一點罵的沒錯,叫人去做白工是很過份的事,不過,現在的年輕人會找不到工作,應該是不願多去嚐試的關系吧

不能做白工,但你也別他媽的妄想非三萬不幹吧
2009-06-10 @ 01:41
迴響 from: Beelzebub [訪問者] · http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/news/anruse/
*****

說說敝人情況好了

日前公司某部門缺人
找了三個來面試,結果都沒來

當然我公司不是甚麼很有名氣的大公司
大概就中小企業規模,有自己的廠房這樣

然後那三個都是71~75年次的
也有相關工作經驗
不過約了也是沒來

所以主管就說了
"看看要不要找6x年次的"

話說這部門工作也是坐辦公室吹冷氣
雖然薪水不是很高(比最低薪資高一些)
起碼比甚麼勇者策略好吧

唉唉
感覺比較年輕的還是會挑工作

離題了
話說我當年是朋友介紹進來的
而之前的工作都是看報紙找的@_@
2009-06-10 @ 01:43
迴響 from: Beelzebub [訪問者] · http://mypaper.pchome.com.tw/news/anruse/
*****
順帶說說
敝人聽過的延畢理由
(以下以男的居多)

1.考研究所(聽過最多的,考不考得上其次)
2.明年當兵可以少當XX天或月(有聽過幾個這樣講)
3.雙修(其實也不少人會雙修)
4.準備要出國,不想被拉去當兵(數量少)
5.還不想畢業(有,但很少,大概跟4.差不多)

大概這些吧?(有人要補充嗎?)
其實我覺得現在大學畢業生對找工作還算樂觀
也是會挑工作
反倒是比較有點社會經歷的
選定行業之後比較不會挑

我認識的女生會選擇延畢的
1.陪男朋友(真的有= =a)
2.雙修(大多數)

畢竟女生比較沒有兵役和出國的問題
而且正妹比較容易找到工作(重點)
2009-06-10 @ 01:51
迴響 from: 無名 [訪問者]

每次都會看到「換了座位就換了腦袋」這句話
各位憤慨地反資方的廣大鄉民
10~20年後開小公司或在中大企業任職高位時...
可別忘初衷啊 呵

說不定還比以前的世代更狠(?)

2009-06-10 @ 02:06
迴響 from: 無名 [訪問者]
btw
可以延畢或生研究所的人
應該家境是不會太差 或是長輩秀命命
幹嘛替他們擔心?

如果每一毛錢都靠自己支付
那延不延畢
都會賣力地去找錢賺(但是我大力反對是被找去爆肝當笨蛋 削自己的價格去競爭..)
2009-06-10 @ 02:13
迴響 from: 扭曲的社會 [訪問者]
>不能做白工,但你也別他媽的妄想非三萬不幹吧

您可能不知道現在情況有多糟
現在就算大學生或是碩士生想應徵19000的作業員
都還不見得能進的去勒

大多數都是被嫌學歷太高 請不起
假如跟他說沒關係 完全按照公司規定
他還辯說那你一定是騎驢找馬
做不久 這種的他不要 囧

先求有再求好也是你們說的
結果照你們的去作
還被批說是絕對是騎驢找馬(完全主觀認定嘛)
2009-06-10 @ 02:57
迴響 from: 抵制104獵才 [訪問者]
104 其實很菜阿
叫個疑似剛出社會的小毛頭來跟我面試
還自己講的興高采烈的
她應該去幫工讀生面試才對吧
浪費我的時間

HR有問題還搞HR
真是莫名奇怪
之後看到104代徵都打叉

朱恐龍噗友 筆
2009-06-10 @ 03:11
迴響 from: H.H [訪問者]
*----
因為沒看到新聞內容
各電子媒體披露的文字內容看起來又有很大的差異
想說找找有沒有影音檔, 找到如下
http://hichannel.hinet.net/hinews/article.do?newsid=2179118&option=media&cate=general
看來大家斷章取義的厲害啊
何必對號入座呢

整句話的重點應該是在強調「如果是為了景氣而選擇逃避」的心態吧?
我相信以朱大的中文程度應該不至於不能體會,否則這篇大費周章圖文並茂的發文心態令我抱持懷疑態度,只是純粹顯露對楊雞寬的厭惡而已

唯獨針對不支薪實習的那部份我還可以贊同朱大您的看法,因為雷洛探長說過:為了吃飯.

不過相關連結的內容很有趣,原來楊老自己也當過小孬孬,我個人倒是有兩種解讀,一是他換了位子也換了腦袋,二是老人家用經驗勉勵後進少走遠路.
但不是怎麼的,也許是小平民的心態作祟,我比較想相信前者

但是找不到工作是人力仲介的錯?這又偏激過了頭,因為景氣不管多麼欣欣向榮,你何時看過主計處公佈失業率是0% ?
個人要負的責任還是最大的吧
2009-06-10 @ 05:52
迴響 from: faith [訪問者]
***--
楊先生講的話,我想應該不是針對所有延畢的人,的確單純為了逃避景氣不好而選擇故意延畢,不是一件值得鼓勵的事情,但是我想說的是:
1. 人做出和生涯規劃有關的選擇,中間會有很多因素和交互的影響,從來不會是單一原因。

2. 不管是選擇延畢,或者直接就業,這些決定都將會付出代價,這是一體兩面,沒有例外,所以自己想清楚了,決定往前走就出發,不用羨慕作出不同決定的人。

3. 這是我看完楊先生全文之後,最想講的一點:如果你覺得所謂的「勇者策略」是個好主意,那麼,104人力銀行的制式履歷表上,你準備何時加上一個「我願意做白工,直到公司願意/有能力付我薪水。」這樣的欄位?
2009-06-10 @ 06:49
迴響 from: 李目白 [訪問者]
========================================
當你找了三、四個月都找不到工作,
你是要繼續在家裡擺爛?還是應該想辦法先求有工作?
「免費上班」只是誇示,基本上工資填「依公司規定」,
只要你不是太差勁,錄取的機率就很高了!
=========================================

吃屎吧。

全天下只有你會在工資那欄填"依公司規定"?

給我一個破!
2009-06-10 @ 08:19
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
>from: 黑色娑羅雙樹 [訪問者]
所以,他應該是罵那些可以畢業卻跟老師說希望被當的那些人
其實回頭想想,如果你真的是怕當兵
或是怕出社會才要求延畢的
那的確是懦夫啊

to:黑色娑羅雙樹
老宅男剛好就是求教授當自己的那個人,理由是80年代那個還很封建保守的社會,老宅男很幸運有一個出國比賽的機會,我是屆齡役男,出國要三個單位保證:教育部、國防部、親人財力證明,很怪異吧!
這一年我比賽失利,於是第二年我又如法泡製一次,結果比賽成績進步,但依然算失利。在那個台灣沒人聽過紅酒、Cappuccino為何物的年代,我只有一個信念,只要出國去圓夢就是贏,然後心滿意足回來當兵,也不在乎年紀大人一截。忘了說,我大學還重考,這樣一共推遲三年。

朱大這篇文讓我學到一點,一個人有時說的話無關對錯,關乎他的角色。楊先生這話如果是對他孩子說,沒錯;楊基寬的104如果是慈善公益機構,沒錯。這就是朱大罵人罵得對會令人拍案,罵錯了也還好的原因。
2009-06-10 @ 08:31
迴響 from: DUDU [訪問者]
>老宅男
您真是一語驚醒夢中人啊啊啊~~~

我以為在那樣地位的人說話影響力這麼大,
他不應該要更謹言慎行嗎?...

說嚴重的,
我跟那些自求被當的人其結果沒兩樣,
人生目標再怎麼偉大也不能免除我現在的事實,
除非延畢也分懦夫式延畢與英雄式延畢,
在這凡事只看結果的社會...我就忍。
2009-06-10 @ 09:17
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
>from: DUDU [訪問者]
在這凡事只看結果的社會...

To:DUDU
所以說老宅男當年的延畢,造成後來求職的碰壁阿。"從延畢到碰壁",這是個不錯的劇本題材喔!
2009-06-10 @ 09:46
迴響 from: 泳者 [訪問者]
*****
朱大也是勇者喔…
因為朱大常常作沒錢也倒貼錢的演講…
2009-06-10 @ 10:08
迴響 from: 沒水準 [訪問者]
這件事情不管誰對誰錯
您寫髒話
我就是覺得很沒水準
你也不過就是好運翻了魔戒
在那裡跩什麼呀
2009-06-10 @ 10:08
迴響 from: noname [訪問者]
若是像"老王同學會"裡老王兒子那種心態延畢...小弟就看不起他....

延畢若是為了升學考試, 個人尚可接受~
2009-06-10 @ 10:38
迴響 from: kk [訪問者]
*****
工作就難找了,現在還出現什麼不支薪的企劃,這東西肥了誰啊?當然是那些不願花錢請人的企業!身為現代的年輕一輩,哪像之前的五六級生,工作之餘還可以為自己儲錢,打造有房有車有家庭的夢想,但是現在的七年級生呢,光是要有份穩定的工作就有問題,那些什麼未來根本不敢去妄想!
2009-06-10 @ 10:47
迴響 from: Evan [訪問者]
真的有人是為了怕入社會嗎?~~~~ 有沒有初生之犢不畏虎~ 面試還很臭屁的八卦?
2009-06-10 @ 11:21
迴響 from: 德州電鋸殺人狂 [訪問者]
我想楊董的懦夫本意事指為了逃避找工作要當兵等等逃避的行為,而不敢勇敢去面對挑戰去嘗試才是懦夫.而且當初楊董選擇離職也不是因為逃避,公司願意任用沒有經驗的員工除了薪資之外也是有其他成本
另我不大懂朱大所謂的[既然是幫人找工作的人力銀行,你他媽的大家找不到工作不就是你們的錯嗎?還出來唸個屁啊!]不管是奴隸銀行還是人力銀行,都只是一個媒介,怎會和他們有關呢
2009-06-10 @ 11:50
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
原來講髒話等於沒水準....我還以為髒話是加重語氣的語助詞啊XD !
2009-06-10 @ 12:36
迴響 from: 扭曲的社會 [訪問者]
>不管是奴隸銀行還是人力銀行,都只是一個媒介,怎會和他們有關呢


假如他真的扮演好媒介的角色
原本應是無關


但是這個媒介還不斷的站在資方立場
放話批評勞方該怎樣怎樣的配合資方
這樣還能說無關嗎?

再來
假如批評有建設性
可以幫助這個社會
那也就算了
現在連不支薪這種話都說出口了
而且自己的還真的執行了
這樣還能說無關嗎?

最後
不要忘記
這個媒介自己本身也搞起人力仲介派遣的業務了
怎麼說都無法脫離干係了~
2009-06-10 @ 13:14
迴響 from: give me five [訪問者]
沒錯
這些是我們勞工的心聲
真是"換了位子,換了腦袋"
2009-06-10 @ 13:57
迴響 from: 宅友 [訪問者]
*****
我早就想罵他了

見人說人話,見鬼說鬼話的傢伙
2009-06-10 @ 14:42
迴響 from: GCVincent [訪問者]
何時基哥願意讓e04銀行使用勇者策略收費。

保證媒和人才到企業上班,未升職為正職員工前不向企業收費。

怎麼可能?
時薪兼職人員他都照收%數了~
讓他把雞剁掉可能快一點。
2009-06-10 @ 14:44
迴響 from: 波蘿日報 [訪問者] · http://blog.xuite.net/big.max/Polo
朱大您好~我代表宜大的育成中心想要邀請您到宜大育成中心來對宜蘭大學的學生演講~不知道要怎麼寫信給您呢!?

(Lucifer:啊我助理電話:0229210551許小姐,Google都找的到啦!
2009-06-10 @ 16:34
*****
22K 方案 和 無薪上工 實在是太誇張了
大家可以到 22000專區: http://jobmarket.tw/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=14 這裡來響應!

至於 要分享公司的資訊
也可以到這個網站來
這個網站是公益的
不像鐵支或e04 是利益導向的所在... =.=
2009-06-10 @ 16:41
迴響 from: 想要努力成長的小建人 [訪問者]
***--
雖然104等公司,讓求職方便了許多.... 但換個角度也養成企業主把員工用完即丟的習慣.. 反正不用培養用了就上,等到你沒料了精疲力竭了,再來跟你耗.....看誰先受不了!!! 我在104找過3家公司,這三家公司的共通點就是流動率極高,老闆的本職學能都有問題,但這方面104會告訴你嗎??不會,因為他們是付錢給104的企業,企業的流動率越高,他們的績效越高... 現實就是"好人才,公司不願放,好公司,人才不願走"若如此美好,104賺什麼???
2009-06-10 @ 18:07
迴響 from: hiso [訪問者] · http://www.iamhiso.com
其實可否請朱大,就今年全球不景氣下,給企業在求才上,一些建議.
例如在其薪資水平差距有限且低價求職的情況下,如何在大量求職履歷中對有經驗的失業人員和今年應屆畢業生中作取捨.

及在增加給應屆畢業生正職工作的機會下,如何避免企業打消這樣的意願.

2009-06-10 @ 18:15
迴響 from: visiteur [訪問者]
*****
幹 水啦
2009-06-10 @ 19:50
迴響 from: SPD刑事連者戰隊 [訪問者]
通常賣房子的房東在貼出招買招租的告示後
都會大大地加註四個字{仲介勿擾}
翻成台灣人質樸的用語就是
{業務員請不要來盧小}


如果再這樣搞下去
我想以後畢典
學生發起在校門口張掛布條寫{仲介勿擾}
或是{業務員與賣糖葫蘆者不許進入}
是可以預期的



2009-06-10 @ 20:25
迴響 from: forink [訪問者] · http://blog.forink.net
*****
e04奴隸銀行
2009-06-10 @ 23:37
迴響 from: 黑色娑羅雙樹 [訪問者]
老宅男的要求延畢很合理
是我的話也要求延畢
但是你這種情形算是特例吧

有另一位提到碩士跟大學生去找作業員的工作渡時機
這真的有點扯
我是面試官我也不想用也不敢用
理由應該不用我多說吧

碩學士可以認同薪水較低,暫渡時機,這是好的
但是也應該找一些有發展性的工作吧
你去做作業員想學到什麼?
你是找一間爛公司做個小工程師小專員也好過做作業員吧

如果你的認知是,將來找工作時,有個台積電的作業員經歷會強過一個不知名公司的工程師經驗
那是絕錯
2009-06-10 @ 23:38
迴響 from: 路過的異鄉人 [訪問者]
勇者無懼,是奴隸電影...,看來會這樣取名字果然有很深刻的用意。
2009-06-11 @ 04:02
迴響 from: bird [訪問者]
樓上的各位大大,不要忘了楊董也是個上市公司的董事長啊!企業不就是以營利為目標嗎?她們也一樣會裁員,一樣透過裁高薪正職員工聘用聘僱員工降低成本,利用這一波不景氣悄悄把薪資拉低了,應該也很歡迎各位無薪前往實習喔! 想進大企業的是個好機會喔
2009-06-11 @ 09:51
迴響 from: jackbase [訪問者] Email
*****
真是一針見血...我才了解原來人力銀行這麼醜陋@@
2009-06-11 @ 12:48
迴響 from: Elmo [訪問者]
*****
靠腰的中肯!!! 實在不能不推!!!!
2009-06-11 @ 13:09
迴響 from: Linn. [訪問者]
*****
好文不推對不起自己
2009-06-11 @ 21:29
迴響 from: YES [訪問者]
*****
你這篇說得滿對的
2009-06-11 @ 23:47
迴響 from: 今年大二 [訪問者]
**---
大推!!!
我彷彿看到了戰神呂布阿!!
宅神~宅神~宅神~宅神~
2009-06-12 @ 07:18
迴響 from: 今年大二 [訪問者]
*****
星星打錯
補回來
2009-06-12 @ 07:19
迴響 from: 飛 [訪問者]
熱血的朱大,說得好,永遠挺你,加油, 祝閤家安康.
2009-06-12 @ 09:18
迴響 from: 奴隸是王道 [訪問者]
>>「免費上班」只是誇示,基本上工資填「依公>>司規定」,只要你不是太差勁,錄取的機率就>>很高了!


你以為大家是白痴還是「依公司規定」要打↑↑↓↓←→←→BA才會顯示?

找個會的來好嗎?
2009-06-13 @ 00:13
迴響 from: hiso [訪問者] · http://www.iamhiso.com
請問那裡可以找到楊先生現場演說的全文?

另外建議朱大可以的話,請在你的這兩篇中全文貼出.

我覺得是應該明確的對照一下.
2009-06-13 @ 01:50
迴響 from: hopes [訪問者]
****-
走出一條屬於自己的路
勇敢闖不要理那種社會上的無禨廢物體
只要有自己的理想就活在自己的故事裡
自己是故事的創作者
更是英雄
英雄絕對不同凡響期待大家一起未社會努力
2009-06-13 @ 14:02
迴響 from: TPS [訪問者]
****-
推推..

這位楊董講話也太不修邊幅了吧!
實在難以想像位高權重者,竟道出如此不尊重他人的言論,聽了就想OOXX

延畢跟懦夫 兩碼事吧..
2009-06-15 @ 01:17
迴響 from: cmcarp [訪問者]
個人覺得楊基寬所言不無道理,有多少人能像朱大一樣有自己的目標和理念去安排自己的未來,現在大學生想些什麼,延畢
1. 怕工作
2. 怕獨立
3. 怕服兵役
4. 怕女朋友跑
怕這怕那的
要是現在的大學生都有自己的想法和對未來的抱負,多延畢幾年時間能對自己有幫助是OK的,但如果不是只是一直想逃避,能逃避多久,現在大學生如果不想被人叫做草莓族
那就爭氣點。

另外關於楊基寬說的哪怕是免費去公司上班都行的說法,我個人有不同的觀點,因為年輕所以還有重來的本錢,當初楊基寬都已經30幾歲有家庭了負擔當然會很大,朱大想想如果當初你沒有因為翻譯魔戒而聲名大噪,請問您現在又在做什麼,如果在你未聲名大噪前就已經娶妻生子了,你還能有現在這番事業嗎?
青春無敵,有青春有本錢,希望現在的學生能勇敢出去闖闖不要怕,因為你還有重來的本錢。

以上個人觀點,如朱大不滿意可刪除。
2009-06-16 @ 11:54
迴響 from: 蓮娜 [訪問者] Email
反駁樓上....
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什麼叫好運翻了魔界?
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to cmcarp

順便說一下,個人想法

我很討厭,要講話
又要補句"不喜歡就裝作沒看到"的人
這樣沒有顯示禮貌

你不喜歡聽,就當我沒打這段話

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