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這篇文章之前發表於非凡新聞週刊之後獲得一些迴響,我想再補充一下這文章的內容。

2009年11月10號聯合報的頭版新聞內容是這樣的「「學生也要敬業!」中央大學認知神經科學研究所所長洪蘭,最近參與評鑑台大醫學院,發現學生上課姍姍來遲,還在課堂上吃泡麵、啃雞腿、打開電腦看連續劇、趴在桌上睡大覺,「這樣的上課態度,我們拿什麼去和別人競爭?」」

Follow up:

說老實話,這樣的狀況在大學中並不少見。要說這些學生沒禮貌或是不懂得職場倫理都可以,但背後的原因沒有這麼單純。因為不到兩個月前,2009年9月14號台大開學典禮時,聯合報的新聞是這樣寫的:「李嗣涔是病後首度公開談話,他指出,台大這幾年有一種不良的風氣,就是早上第一節來上課的同學很少,因為同學晚上熬夜上網,早上爬不起來。他期許大一新鮮人「早睡早起」,記取「一日之計在於晨」明訓,但台下學生還是抵不住瞌睡蟲,睡成一片。」

當然,同一則新聞有台大的學生說是因為前一堂課下課太晚,來不及吃飯,所以只好買便當在課堂上吃。但我在企業中演講用的還是中午休息時間,工程師們都必須提早吃完飯再來參加,在聽眾中也不會看到有人帶便當進來吃啊!我不想用那種學長姐的心態和角度來責備這件事,因為這樣的理由進入社會之後就不管用了。

這狀況絕對不是只發生在台大。如果你要用單純的這些年輕人就是爛草莓,承擔不了壓力,新世代就是這麼軟腳等等的理由去指責他們,是很簡單的方法,但並不是真正的答案。

真正的原因很簡單,在大部分的狀況下,這些大學生來讀大學並不是為了自己。

我一年的演講次數大概有七八十場,聽眾約莫兩萬至三萬人,從高中生到上班族都有。實際上我今年又算了一下,發現我今年演講排的特別多,竟然到十一月底為止,聽眾人數超過六萬人。這裡寫出來不是為了炫耀,而是代表我今年大概又貼了幾百萬在演講上面.....

高中生聽完一場生涯規劃的演講之後,多半最大的問題就是「為什麼?」為什麼我一定要讀大學,為什麼我在高中的時候要過的這麼不快樂?為什麼。而大部分的教育體系能夠給他們的答案是,你就去作就對了,等你考上大學之後就知道了。

而大學生在聽完一場生涯規劃的演講之後,他們的問題是,沒有問題。因為高中沒日沒夜的努力,他們已經累了,之前所有人都告訴他們上了大學就會得到答案,而他們已經上了大學,應該已經知道,但實際上他們還是不知道。但應該知道卻不知道是很丟人的事情,所以他們不敢問。而且就算問了又怎麼樣,畢業之後還不是只能拿兩萬二?

而且現在大學已經不是一個生涯的終點了,每個大學生都擠破頭想要去考研究所,所以他們都從大三就開始補習,補一整年的工數、電子學、微積分,感覺好像又回到了高中時代。但就算你考上了研究所,畢業之後的碩士起薪,現在是兩萬五。

這些大學生犧牲了大三、大四兩年可以玩樂的時間,又花了兩年的時間讀研究所,最後薪水增加三千元。平均努力讀書一年增加底薪750元。如果社會的大環境是這樣,又從來沒有人認真告訴過你為什麼要讀大學,誰能夠擠出熱情來讀那些根本不明白為什麼要讀的課程,上那些根本不明白為什麼要上的課?

(其實是四百吋的螢幕啦)

如果我們的教育體系和整個社會,從來沒有認真的給「為什麼要上大學」一個答案,那這些不知道自己為誰而戰,為何而戰的年輕人們,又怎麼能夠不睡成一片,吃成一片?因為他們寧願自己在別的地方啊!

但是,我真正要問的問題是,我們是從什麼時候開始,放棄了問「為什麼」的權利和機會呢?

當我們小的時候,在幼稚園、在家裡,開始會講話的時候,我們會不停的問為什麼為什麼為什麼?

為什麼天是藍的,為什麼肚子會餓,為什麼大便一定要擦乾淨?

為什麼為什麼為什麼?

在每一個的答案和質疑當中,我們漸漸成長,甚至更從其中獲得力量。

但是,從什麼時候開始,我們卻不再問為什麼了?

我們開始說,我不知道,人家沒告訴我,以後再說啦,再等一下吧,別人都是這樣,看分數到哪裡就去讀哪裡,我爸媽跟我說這樣才有前途,考試之後就看分數吧.....

如果連你自己都放棄了問這個社會為什麼?放棄了為自己爭取獲得答案的權利和機會,還有誰能幫的上你的忙?

從什麼時候開始,我們只會向權威屈服?

從什麼時候開始,比較多人作的事情就是對的?

從什麼時候開始,你變得不好意思跟別人不一樣?

從什麼時候開始,你放棄了捍衛自己論點和立場的機會?

從什麼時候開始,以和為貴變成懦弱的最好理由?

如果沒有熱情,只是坐在那邊吃雞腿是不會找到熱情的。因為,

熱情從來不是被找到的,而是要奮戰努力才能夠獲得的!

醒醒吧,如果你永遠都只是為了他人的評斷,他人的眼光,他人的目的而努力,你什麼時候要開始為了自己而奮戰不懈?

你什麼時候要開始問自己為什麼?為什麼我要坐在這裡?為什麼我要讀大學?為什麼我要在乎他人的眼光?

要改變自己和這個世界,先從這最簡單的三個字開始吧。

Lucifer

為什麼?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgg413/
(現場示範:為什麼我總是覺得他拍照的切入點很奇妙!)

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迴響 from: 阿論 [訪問者]
傳說中的沙發嗎??
2009-11-30 @ 10:37
迴響 from: 阿鬼 [訪問者]
*****
為瞎咪
我從來沒有頭香過
2009-11-30 @ 10:37
迴響 from: ouchthree [訪問者]

好像啥承接日系教育下來的好像都有這種問題!!
2009-11-30 @ 10:37
迴響 from: TESS [訪問者]
*****
這真是一個好問題啊....
但是小時候呆呆的我沒有時間追究為什麼.
背書都來不及啦!
大學學歷是個屁這是後來才發現的.
如果能早點認知到這件事情的話, 會省下好多時間喔!
2009-11-30 @ 10:39
迴響 from: PRADA [訪問者]
*****
我喜歡這篇的解釋
2009-11-30 @ 10:39
迴響 from: 冰音 [訪問者]
沙發!!

我在批踢踢八卦版看到這篇文章的前段

覺得補上後段之後整篇文章的感覺不一樣了

我就是那種上大學之後就不知為何而戰的人= =

都大三了 可是夢想早就被現實磨光了...

目前不知道以後要幹麻中 囧
2009-11-30 @ 10:41
迴響 from: 冰音 [訪問者]
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可惡我看到的時候明明還是沙發 打完字就變6樓了= =
2009-11-30 @ 10:42
迴響 from: 阿侑 [訪問者]
對啊
為什麼??
2009-11-30 @ 10:43
迴響 from: IOL [訪問者]
*****
沒錯
應該培養的是質疑的能力
可惜大家都在培養和稀泥的能力
(或許...如果朱大在我那個年代就開始演講的話...)
呵呵~ 不過現在也不算遲啦~
至少有部落格有噗浪!
2009-11-30 @ 10:44
迴響 from: 羊皮狼 [訪問者] Email
*****
因為這個國家的教育一直是為黨國服務的。為了培育優良的黨國士兵,士兵不需要知道為什麼,只要知道服從(黨),上面會有人幫你安排的!

所以為什麼總是只有代工,為什麼思考沒有創意!
2009-11-30 @ 10:45
迴響 from: sin [訪問者]
我想...很多為什麼都可以用階級和錢的多寡去解決或是間接解決.人生過往...名利而已
2009-11-30 @ 10:52
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/baabuu
*****
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閱畢~~

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為什麼?
2009-11-30 @ 10:58
迴響 from: WHTLNC [訪問者] Email
諷刺的是平常爸媽說話都沒在聽,
但遇到這些問題時,
又會拿爸媽的話出來檔,
花爸媽錢上大學,
卻翹課打工,
然後再來怪說大學畢業沒頭路,
有時候想想,
那~那些讀書的人難不成是傻子嗎?
2009-11-30 @ 11:02
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
服從是學生的天職(大誤)!
2009-11-30 @ 11:06
迴響 from: 8503 [訪問者] Email
差點前十
2009-11-30 @ 11:06
迴響 from: BloodyJoker [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/bloodyjoker
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大學生不需要獨立思考的能力,因為出社會之後老闆叫我們去吃屎難道能叫他們去死嗎?反正人就是社會這架大機器的小螺絲釘,少了一個他媽的還有十萬個!
2009-11-30 @ 11:09
迴響 from: Coffin [訪問者]
*****
記得小時候超喜歡舉手問問題....

到國中之後越來越少...現在幾乎不了,只願意在演講或者課程結束時自己去問
原因無他,在課程或演講中(尤其是課程中),講者總是有行無市,即使帶了再多的寶來,底下興趣缺缺也是枉然,如果不小心時常的發問拖了時間,很有機會被同學幹到爆(我想這是好學阿宅的人際缺口)當同儕的氣氛越趨低迷的同時,熱情即使不曾熄滅,卻也無法燒得更旺
雖然有點離題,但這是看了本篇文章,我所想到關於質疑能力下降的困境
2009-11-30 @ 11:11
迴響 from: kulu [訪問者]
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板主打了大半天的文章卻只會回"沙發""頭香"的人到底有沒有仔細看板主想要傳達的意義?只會回這種"頭香"文的麻煩滾回巴哈好嗎?
2009-11-30 @ 11:12
迴響 from: Nion [訪問者]
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因為CAT413的攝影向來是開啟「布丁先決」模式
2009-11-30 @ 11:12
迴響 from: Cat413 [訪問者]
*****
er... 我那天帶的小黑五是樓上借我的 XD
2009-11-30 @ 11:14
迴響 from: 為什麽??? [訪問者]
請問洪蘭

為甚麽前某教育部長時期,您不提出這問題?

唸醫學院是很辛苦的事
我的腸胃科醫生,自己的腸胃問題,比我嚴重
因為他都沒時間吃午餐啊~~~
2009-11-30 @ 11:14
迴響 from: 淫狐 [訪問者] · http://sexandthaicity.blogspot.com
to 樓上的 :

知道老闆叫你去吃屎不能回答叫他們去死也是一種獨立思考能力的展現 ....
2009-11-30 @ 11:16
迴響 from: presario [訪問者]
*****
為什麼今天值星官的相片解析度不夠高?

以前我也很愛問為什麼,可是後來我發現,老師其實不愛學生問為什麼,他們比較喜歡學生問解題方法,就算問解題方法,也只能問最快的那一種,不能問為什麼不能用別種。久了,我也開始變得跟他們一樣了,還好運氣好,現在可以亂問為什麼,老師還很高興的跟你一起發神經,找出不同的方法來解決問題。
2009-11-30 @ 11:27
迴響 from: 新月 [訪問者] · http://blog.xuite.net/s08333/lamkee
大概是,在現今社會不當和稀泥的話會受到不少壓力吧,例如身邊的人的白眼、不接受等等...於是自自然然就為了減輕壓力,獲得大眾接受而消磨自我了。問太多為什麼的人會被當成麻煩製造者。

不過我認為人應該找到,或者至少要思考自己的以及自己所做的事的價值。不單要問別人為什麼,更要問自己為什麼。如果自問為什麼又能夠自己答得出來,那起碼你不是在混日子,而是知道自己在幹什麼而活著。

以我做例子,我也問過自己上大學是為什麼,而我自己的結論是家中有經濟上的需要,所以我希望讀完大學,拿一個學位,找一份工作,先養家,等仍在學弟弟都能自立了,又安置好老父老母再想其他。當然這不是唯一的途徑,例如我本人對寫作還蠻有興趣,也夢想過當作家,我可以嘗試用所有時間提升自己的寫作能力,然後去當一個作家,同樣可以賺錢,只是這個回報比起讀大學找工作要來得沒保證,也困難許多,衡量過我承擔風險的能力,肩上的責任,以及自身的才幹能力等等,還是選擇讀大學。


如果沒有熱情或是理念,人是很脆弱的,很難堅持任何事情,包括自己的想法等

人生最難的怕就是在現實和夢想之間作平衡。而這中間讓人最難決定的又是付出和回報是否成比例。大抵人生的夢想,只要不是太過天方夜譚,都是可能實現的;只是要付出許多,回報又沒什麼保證。相反只要跟隨社會,不用自己想太多,走在一條已經建好的路總比自己開拓道路輕鬆,於是熱情或是魄力不夠人就會選擇所謂"標準"的人生了。
2009-11-30 @ 11:28
迴響 from: 光 [訪問者]
Agree with 羊皮狼....
整個國家的教育, 工作的思維都是一樣的....
2009-11-30 @ 11:28
迴響 from: 岡田追隨者 [訪問者]
可以叫洪蘭去看我們上課
都找不到教授?
都是學生上台報告課本內容
然後老師都在教室門外打電話
這樣還要醒來嗎?

教育是互動的
我想朱大的演講要睡大概也很難吧~
2009-11-30 @ 11:31
迴響 from: 強人鐵忠 [訪問者]
朱豪宅在ptt上的那篇新聞我有轉到信箱去

本來就在想找適當的時候把它拿出來跟現在我底下一些學生們分享的

現在更簡單 已經被排版好了

只要給他們這個網址就可以了

我一直很佩服朱豪宅

別人演講可能會冷場 可能會睡著

所以他用很多元素跟創意 來讓一場演講更容易被接受 被注意

但是又同時加入了自己想傳達的意念

在這則新聞剛開始的時候 我記得有則推文是這麼說的:與其說學生打瞌睡或吃便當不好,那為啥不叫演講者反省一下,他們講的內容為什麼總是讓人打瞌睡呢?

身為一個講師 我一直都這麼認為 如果我不能吸引底下的目光 那麼我第一時間要檢討 自己的表現是不是有那裡有問題?

我想朱豪宅的這個題目 一直都講得很棒

所以他可以很有感觸的談 為什麼現在的大學生 會覺得自己不知道為什麼坐在教室裡頭

很棒的一篇文章 當然 也很中肯!
2009-11-30 @ 11:33
迴響 from: Q_Q [訪問者]
小時候父母都會說囝仔郎有耳無嘴, shut the fuck up, 應付小朋友的發問, 久了就變成大家覺得服從權威才是對的,
2009-11-30 @ 11:37
迴響 from: sophie [訪問者]
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為什麼? 為什麼? 為什麼?

為什麼? 你的圖總是那麼大~~張
2009-11-30 @ 11:48
迴響 from: 小白 [訪問者]
想問朱大為什麼覺得他拍的SG照切入點奇怪... XD
2009-11-30 @ 11:49
迴響 from: 宅男爸爸 [訪問者] · http://tco00945.pixnet.net/blog
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有時候真的闖出去之後,就會發現,很多人對於未知的路都不會問為什麼?而是直接告訴你-辦不到。
2009-11-30 @ 12:00
迴響 from: 水溝旁的螞蟻窩 [訪問者]
『為什麼?為什麼?為什麼?』

嗯,有一種王牌大賤碟開場的 Fu~
2009-11-30 @ 12:12
迴響 from: (馬扁)死人不長進 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/uc0083
十萬個為什麼???



現在還有人會去想想看嗎?



聽從專家的意見 卻從來沒有質疑專家的話有沒有問題 盲從相信 換來一堆用不到的專長與學歷!


我們的教育已死 只有服從命令的機器


沒有自由獨立的反省能力 我們的社會還是活在最傳統保守士大夫階級心態下的專制社會...
2009-11-30 @ 12:13
社會的體制被固化之後,通常多數人就認為是對的~但至少還有像豪宅及各位先進,了解自己要什麼.從輔大的演講影片到實際參與阿宅反抗軍活動,至少慢慢的找到自己的方向,但是目前依然為五斗米折腰~~昨天看了「鬥陣俱樂部」,今天看到豪宅的文章~~感觸真是有夠深的!!做自己很孤單,但是我還是堅持要做自己!!
2009-11-30 @ 12:43
迴響 from: 老宅男 [訪問者]
這問題很簡單
台灣教育體系還停留在舊思維,教育部媽的評鑑大學,媽的學生評鑑老師,老師對上只管收集評鑑資料(毫無創造力可言),對下不敢得罪學生,完全跟不上外面劇烈的變化。

其實台灣的大學一直都是混文憑之地,你想隨便英文版的維基百科一查,都比你老師說的詳盡,大學不再是知識唯一獲取之地,如果學生有這等共識,自然知道要再培養第二專長,第三專長,人文素養也很重要,說21世紀是新文藝復興時期不為過,一個達文西會多少種本領呢?

所謂混之有道,混文憑有多種混法,如果睡覺也是其中一種,那其餘清醒時間是善加利用的,粉好。但只怕藉口一堆,連維基百科都懶得上去查,那睡覺為何不在家裡睡呢?男子漢不就是睡得開心,被當得甘願嗎?
2009-11-30 @ 13:30
迴響 from: KRR [訪問者]
*****
問完!
答案是: 不為什麼!!

中文的回答有點奧妙!!
因為真的很多事,要自己去體驗!
但特別的是,每個人體驗不同,而這個社會卻期待一個標準的答案!

大家加油!
2009-11-30 @ 13:33
迴響 from: 說得容易 [訪問者]
不然朱大胖讀中央大學電機系時是為了自己嗎?
山歌真是說得比唱得好聽。

Lucifer:是耶,我本來是要去學怎麼作遊戲,將來想當遊戲製作人的。你記得要買那本只有賣了四百五十本的書裡面有寫啊!
2009-11-30 @ 13:47
迴響 from: 拆組達人 [訪問者] · http://blog.iegoffice.com/
知道自己要做啥想做啥的人真的很有限!
有人窮其一生,還是不知道為了啥而活!
2009-11-30 @ 13:59
迴響 from: CHIEH [訪問者]
*****
不為什麼
就是為了錢
2009-11-30 @ 14:02
迴響 from: 69 [訪問者] Email
每次看朱宅的文章都覺得自己不停的被提醒
要確實的為自己努力和奮鬥
不能被打倒

「熱情從來不是被找到的,而是要奮戰努力才能夠獲得的!」

受用了。


2009-11-30 @ 14:26
朱大 你的筆記看不清楚
2009-11-30 @ 14:27
迴響 from: 為什麼? [訪問者]
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為什麼你網誌用別人的圖片都不用標示出處?
為什麼?

Lucifer:因為你伯我是盜圖王!)
2009-11-30 @ 14:29
迴響 from: wayne.chu [訪問者]
*****
FUCK!!!
如果有一天我是總統,一定讓你當教育部長
2009-11-30 @ 14:33
迴響 from: BowA [訪問者]
剛好之前在廣播上聽到朱大討論這件事
才知道朱大對於演講配備那麼齊全
對沒有投影音響設備的學校而言
聽朱大演講 應該就像看一場豪華聲光視覺的show吧

也滿認同朱大的教育觀的
我多希望有個老爸會陪我一起打電動
本來想call-in進去跟老大講些話的
可是遇到了一個很"認真"的媽媽有些意見~~XD

回正題 演講台下睡一片"目的"其實很重要沒錯
如果一場演講 台下是強迫而來的學生
因為本來就不想來 當然會睡著
就算是朱大聲光效果再好也一樣
如果是自願來的 就算台上在念經講道
(星雲等宗教大師..)
照樣是聽的津津有味

(Lucifer:啊我要挑戰下一階段,就算你被動員來我也要讓你感興趣~~~
2009-11-30 @ 14:56
迴響 from: Fox [訪問者]
不是不想為什麼
而是選擇人生的道路時,不需要去想.
因為台灣的父母親總是想盡辦法教出聽話的小孩
因為聽話的小孩,他的未來只要聽父母的就好了
聽父母的話,不用擔心學費、生活費,
聽話的小孩是不是喪失了
勇於追求夢想的勇氣...
我回頭想自己走過的路
很多時候為了不讓父母親傷心,
而將自己的夢想偷偷的埋在心底...
我常在想,如果我不是一個聽話的小孩
現在的我會是什麼模樣呢?
2009-11-30 @ 15:30
迴響 from: 夏夜 [訪問者]
***--
我也想問自己為什麼?
為什麼我老爸不是李嘉成!
我什麼我長這麼帥就要禿頭, 你們長那麼醜卻沒禿頭呢?

為什麼標榜清廉執政的會貪污!
又為什麼念到哈佛一臉聰明卻很無能?

可能問了為什麼? 也不會有好答案吧!
久而久之就懶的問了...
2009-11-30 @ 15:43
*****
服從服從服從服從服從服從服從

不服從?

死!

這就是社會

既得利益者控制的社會

教育系統只是在服務本社會的既得利益者。




(Lucifer:不服從就是戰啊!)
2009-11-30 @ 15:56
迴響 from: BALAZOO [訪問者]
*****
遙想當年國小畢業進入國中時,完全不知道唸書在幹麻,只知道讀書是唯一的命令,也是唯一的解釋。
直到國二下學期某日,小弟突然開竅似的,對讀書很有興趣,甚至假日就在離家不遠之處的書店看書看一整天也不倦怠(雖然那時都在看苦苓、侯文詠、亞森羅蘋、倪匡....)
在國三時突然成積擠進前十,但僅止於地理及英文,上課之餘不是跟同學打打鬧鬧,就是翹課打籃球。
直到準備考高中聯考時,跟老媽說"母啊,我想到文藻唸英文,未來想當英文老師",老媽回我"丫如啊(沒錯... 小弟名字真有個如字... 男子漢無法避免的囧境...),要做老師就好好唸高中以後考進隔壁的高師大就可以當老師啦";問題來了,唸國中時就唸了一堆不想唸的科目,唸高中不是更慘(家有老姐在唸高中時,常態性抓狂+發飆)...
後來又再提了一次”母啊,那我可不可以唸餐飲學校?我對煮菜很有興趣(從國小到國中只要有空就會陪老母買菜兼偶而自己煮飯)",老媽又回"丫如啊,當大廚不好啦,整天吸油煙很不好啦,很辛苦耶"
考完了高中後又被逼去唸私立道明(那時候還是私校獨立招生),又是一次人生交叉點,我又提問"母啊,我想唸社會組",是的,老媽又回"自然組工作比較好找,唸自然組就對了"。
在那時突然覺得,人生是不是一生下來路就已經被家人標記好了?!
答案是"是的! 在你家就是這樣",大學聯考完(由於心不干情不願的狀況下唸了高中+英、數兩位老師教的很.... 唸的很槽只是剛好...),小弟分數不是很漂亮,了不起唸淡江、逢甲之類等級的學校,又再一次的玩起分類遊戲,"母啊,我要唸土木","乖仔,現在唸資訊比較好",本來已經填好的志願單,硬生生的被改掉+送出去....
現在莫名奇妙的已經30了,工作也非是CIM、IC設計、IT人員與原本所學有關的工作,而是個小小光電業的客服工程師(年薪雖然有百... 但換算時薪大概也只有100初頭...)
30歲了,也夠了,是該停止走這些錯誤的道路做下自己所能決定的路。

不是每一個人在一開始就能決定自己的路;教育體系的異常導致大學生莫名增多也不是你能決定,朱大唸電機可能也不是一開始就想唸(在那個年代裡考上電機就對了),但是在下一個路口中,你能不能決定自己的道路,"為什麼"這個台詞,對我己不適用,但對還能說為什麼的學子們,請別忽視你的權益!(難得的上班日=休假日.... 話多了....)
2009-11-30 @ 16:08
迴響 from: McHotFish [訪問者] · http://www.facebook.com/jeremy.perfect
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這是我第一次在這回應。
我想說針對洪蘭教授的議題
個人認為,學生如果知道為何而讀大學,知道自己要的是什麼,那是不是上某些課,聽某些演講時,
不是自己要的東西也可以選擇不打擾其他人的方式進行呢?
洪蘭教授看到的只有那台課
並不代表學生每堂課都這樣
因此學生要的聽,不要的不吵別人
我想老師也需要反省,
演講或講課沒人理,自己沒有問題嗎?

如果每個演講者可以讓聽眾樂於融入其中,是不會有這種情形出現的
我想不能只怪學生,就算知道自己沒有興趣所以不聽的也是有

這樣才能激勵演講者的進步反省改善方式,演講的目的不就是要傳遞這麼好的資訊給學生嗎?
才能達到最終的美好目的!!!!

個人欣賞朱大的其中一點,就在於演講懂得進步改進,而不是只要求聽眾一定感興趣要給面子,更何況朱大除了傳遞演講資訊,自己砸錢自代設備拼了去講,這種精神跟其他只拿演講費的演講者怎麼比!!!!!!

PS抱歉表達比較弱,所以看的會辛苦點
2009-11-30 @ 16:09
迴響 from: 朱厚宅 [訪問者]
*****
木頭燒個幾天可以燒成木炭 但是燒太久則成灰 已經燒成灰了還怎麼燃燒? 又或者是 當這塊炭拼命燃燒自己發光發熱時 卻沒有人需要它的光和溫暖,反而被嫌熱... 這是個搞笑的世界
2009-11-30 @ 16:35
迴響 from: 阿泰 [訪問者]
算了吧,
國外名校博士歸國不重要,
在台灣要有關係才重要!
學校裡一大堆講師以上都是靠關係進去的,
進去後都壓榨學生幫寫論文,
自己每天吃的腦滿腸肥的!

女學生乳溝露越深,
越能搶到助教職缺!
男學生都去吃屎吧!
2009-11-30 @ 16:38
迴響 from: 阿泰 [訪問者]
偉大的朱神,
報給我樂透號碼吧!

與其重新踏上黑暗的學術界,
讓我晚上能多摸幾顆還比較爽!
2009-11-30 @ 16:43
迴響 from: 為什麼 [訪問者]
*----
那為什麼你寧可盜圖也不願將圖片的出處標出呢?
這應該是網路使用者起碼的基本禮儀吧??

(Lucifer:我早上起床還不刷牙哩,你自己要不要睜開眼睛看看我哪裡把圖偷回來了,呿呿。跟你隨便講盜圖還真的信了哩。
2009-11-30 @ 17:37
迴響 from: 為什麼 [訪問者]
為什麼要問為什麼?
2009-11-30 @ 17:38
迴響 from: Yifan [訪問者] Email · http://mcsooy.pixnet.net/blog/
*****
謝謝朱大,看您的文章
總是可以提醒我自己很多事
謝謝您。
2009-11-30 @ 17:56
迴響 from: Z.M. [訪問者]
*****
東西方的兩種教育孩子的方式

東方是突出的釘子會被敲下去
西方是會叫的輪子有油吃

什麼樣的社會環境
會造就什麼樣的人


但是台灣學子缺乏三種改變的契機
一閱讀 - 不只是教課書而是許許多多名家的人生結晶

二思考 - 不只是如何讓資產倍增而是自我生
命的真正價值

三熱情 - 不只是如何對工作或學業盡責而是熱愛在這短暫幾十年中的偶然
2009-11-30 @ 17:57
迴響 from: Rick [訪問者]
老師沒熱情
學生沒禮貌
2009-11-30 @ 18:43
迴響 from: moto447 [訪問者]
為什麼有人連怎麼分辨盜圖都不會
就可以指責別人
好像警察不會分辨真鈔假鈔
看到所有鈔票都當作假鈔來辦
好好笑!

2009-11-30 @ 19:14
迴響 from: Eva [訪問者]
天啊天啊
你的字好可愛喔!!!

Lucifer:那是高中女生的字好不好。
2009-11-30 @ 19:30
迴響 from: GARUDA [訪問者]
因為上位者總是覺得很會問:"為什麼"的人有挑戰威權的潛在性威脅~;於是慢慢的轉變成 聽進去就對了 別問!!的模式發展;家庭教育也是如此複製。
2009-11-30 @ 19:49
迴響 from: ccyew [訪問者]
如果朱大真的有興趣知道為什麼這個社會會變成這付德行.....可以參考底下的影片
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if4aFZTOR8c

時代精神 Zeitgeist The Movie

不過因為翻譯者有些部分沒翻好,有的部分漏字誤字....所以可能要請朱大自行找看看原始的英文版。

我沒記錯的話,朱大應該是對這種陰謀論頗有興趣才對。

另外我想可你也會對底下這位對岸人士所翻譯的相關影片有所興趣

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=auagate#grid/uploads

不過簡體中文看起來很累就是了....orz
2009-11-30 @ 20:12
迴響 from: 路人甲 [訪問者]
不論東西方,現在的教育都有個很大的問題,就是鼓勵「不犯錯」;「不犯錯」的教育,最大的目的是教出雇員,要求的是能以最短的時間內照著已知的流程做到最完美的程度,這種雇員生產機制,是希望能夠讓人民畢業之後掙口飯吃的大前提下所設計出來的教育制度,因此只會鼓勵學生答對答案,而沒有鼓勵他們進行錯誤的嘗試;我們都會講「國父革命多少次才成功」「愛迪生發明電燈失敗過多少次才成功」,但是考試時,只要寫錯答案一次,就變成了千古罪人,因此長期下來,學生會漸漸的失去了問問題的能力,失去了思考的能力,最後連自己的未來都失去了。

個人認為,真正的學習其實是要「鼓勵犯錯」,像是我們學走路,騎腳踏車,哪個人不是一直犯錯(跌倒),然後從錯誤中學習,最後才獲得成功,而在社會上,面對沒有正確答案的競爭時,要能與人一較長短,最重要的便是找出屬於當下最適合自己的答案(可容許一定程度失誤的答案),這種能力便是需要從勇於從錯誤中學習來的--就像創業不保證成功,但是創業時將失敗風險降到最低,並從中所獲得的經驗,才會導致以後持續的成功;投資失敗不可恥,可恥的是失敗卻不反省,而任由失敗發生;真正的企業家是有勇於冒險的精神,也代表著能承受著失敗的風險,與能夠隨時評估並掌握風險的能力;成功與失敗總是一線之隔,在沒有正確答案的現實世界中,要有敗中求勝的精神才是最重要的,畢竟,失敗是成功之母。

現實社會中,很多狀況是沒有正確答案的,只會寫正確答案的好學生沒幾個能成為大老闆的原因也在此;王永慶、郭台銘、林百里這些人,不是靠老師教出來的,而是靠自己不斷發掘問題、解決問題而闖出來的;謹給所有想要走出自己的路的人一個建議,多思考,發掘問題,並解決它;將相本無種,男兒當自強。
2009-11-30 @ 20:26
迴響 from: 為什麼??? [訪問者]
*****
為什麼?為什麼?

為什麼自己要把照片po在網路上又不給盜??
為什麼要把自己情侶自拍上傳又怕被破解??
為什麼穿迷你裙不穿底褲被拍到還要裝哭??

敢那樣搞…就要有"萬一"的勇氣!

米養百種人,什麼人都有低俗的權利…
敢出來混,就不要怕!

(Lucifer:為什麼會有這麼奇妙的問題?
2009-11-30 @ 20:44
迴響 from: 毬果 [訪問者]
*****
朱大這篇文章發人深醒,點出了台灣教育的一些問題.不過衝著題目是講洪蘭教授之前的言論,加上回應"為什麽???"大大提出的問題,就小弟從心理學界聽到的消息是說,洪蘭教授是為了推動新法案而炒新聞...我覺得不用太在乎她的指責.
2009-11-30 @ 20:44
迴響 from: 木村拓宅 [訪問者]
***--
各位不要絕望

世界上還是有很多選你所愛

愛你所選的人呀~
2009-11-30 @ 20:54
迴響 from: 為什麼+1 [訪問者]
*****
為什麼~為什麼~
為什麼有了網路,還會有私娼寮??
為什麼有了硬碟,還會有A漫??
為什麼有了老婆,還想看A片??
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為什麼啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊啊???
2009-11-30 @ 21:00
迴響 from: BlackKingK [訪問者] Email
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  我現在目標還不非常明顯,但是少我有了一個方向,一個值得我去用我的新曆下去努力的「方向」,這樣子的我不在是渾渾噩噩,有部份的功勞是版大,來我們學校演講(是你頭一句話就問「為什麼星期五不回家要來聽演講?」),帳我有了更明確的方向…

BTW.我也是朱家人,所以我挺豬血糕XD
2009-11-30 @ 21:06
迴響 from: 肥宅 [訪問者] Email
每個人都有「沙發」、「頭香」的自由。

每個人也有義憤填膺、熱血申揚「滾回阿拉不達米亞」的權利~

不論如何選擇,因這些選擇而造就你自己是什麼樣的一個人。

沒有人應該為你的選擇負責,唯一的責任者只有自已~

不思考不表達,不知道問「為什麼」…..
不是老師父母教的;也不是社會風氣造成;
是自已選擇的~

選擇沉默,選擇不反抗,選擇不說話……

每個人都有權利表達
但自以為正義凜然,只會附和權勢,叫人「滾回巴哈」的人~

很像洪蘭,讓人感覺超雞….排


對了
「沙發」是什麼意思?
為什麼常看到「頭香」?
第一個會有獎品嗎?
2009-11-30 @ 22:11
迴響 from: 黃毛 [訪問者]
我貢獻今天看到的一段話: 「去哪裡都無妨,因為重要的不是目標、目的地、終點,而是幾乎神秘而超越性的那個舉動,亦即跨越邊界本身。」 - by Ryszard Kapuscinski(一位波蘭共產時期出身的報導文學記者)
2009-11-30 @ 23:33
迴響 from: 22K [訪問者]
樓上自稱肥宅?
怎麼會連頭香和沙發什麼意思都不知道?

我也在問自己為什麼念書念大學?
但我也很想問那些老師教授或軍公教人員為什麼想做這份工作?為什麼馬先生想當總統?
為什麼我乒了命考上國立大學才發現自己念錯科系?
又為什麼我發現原來很多人和我一樣都念錯科系?
對自己的學業和科系沒有熱情和夢想...打瞌睡只是剛好而已
2009-11-30 @ 23:42
迴響 from: 私心 [訪問者]
為什麼只能戰人家盜圖呢?

討厭他就直說麻,朱宅爸又沒在怕這種事的。

這世上真的有很多人自已跑來找氣受的。呵呵

2009-11-30 @ 23:48
迴響 from: pptra [訪問者]
開始上班之後, 掏自己口袋的錢去上課, 眼皮再沉重也會想辦法打起精神... 時間就是金錢, 朋友~
總覺得這是一齣被記者搧風點火的新聞串燒, 拿著兩邊最刺耳的話下標題... 嗯... 11/30已經過了, 希望今天的討論會能得出一些較具實踐意義的正面訊息...

值日生真不寫實...
2009-11-30 @ 23:50
迴響 from: 生日快到的老頭 [訪問者]
看遍相關評論,只有這篇從現象看到問題的核心,更讓我想到Ken Robinson在TED的演講內容"Do school education kills creativity?",在台灣答案明顯是YES,台灣的學校教育不只是把學生塑造成好用的「工人」,更是敲打成服從的「順民」,看看台灣人民對權威的服從性格,就知道這個教育體制有多「成功」,而也是同一套體制,讓我們的成年人沒有能力面對變化莫測的二十一世紀,讓我們的下一代沒有夢想去創造充滿各種可能性的新時代。
2009-12-01 @ 00:03
迴響 from: 狗板 [訪問者]
為什麼人們會放棄問為什麼?

很簡單啊!

根據中國醬缸文化的發源-孔子,在論語泰伯篇中曾言:「民可使由之,不可使知之」

人民只可以乖乖聽話,不能夠知道真相.

要不然上位者的下流勾當被人民知道了,事情不就大鑊了!所以所有的上位者當然要努力愚民.

而愚民的第一要務就是讓人民"不會問為什麼",或起碼"不敢問為什麼".
2009-12-01 @ 08:55
迴響 from: Tasuka [訪問者]
*****
建議大家看看喬治.歐威爾 1984 這本書 http://www.books.com.tw/exep/prod/booksfile.php?item=0010161307 對這個社會大家有想過什麼是真什麼是假的嗎? 有想過嗎?為什麼這個是真,那個就是假?
2009-12-01 @ 09:03
迴響 from: ANNIE KOKA [訪問者]
為什麼洪蘭教授的一番批評言論引起那麼大的迴響 ? 大教授就是有這本領可以製造議題, 主導議題, 進而引導輿論, 形成所謂的主流民意. 但這次似乎是倒向另一主流, 我可以說, VIVA, NEW ERA !!
2009-12-01 @ 09:19
迴響 from: Max [訪問者]
我回應一下那個加拿大的朋友~ 我本身也是住BC
基本上溫哥華生態跟台灣生態是不一樣的~加拿大
貴的是人工~人工很貴~所以你做黑手還是只要修房子啊~通廁所啊錢都很多~這跟台灣不能比~在台灣學歷還是很重要的~

回應一下朱大~我覺得朱大的很多觀點都很對不過
家長通常會回一句.妳看看朱大學歷是什麼賺了多少錢~你又不是他而且 妳現在成功了嗎? 我覺得現在家長只認為只要你成功 妳說的話都是香的 妳還沒成功你說什麼都是大便啦~

Lucifer:可是我實在很想跟家長講,一句話對不會是因為那句話對不對,而不是因為講話的人成不成功啊!但這樣我又會被更多家長討厭了!
2009-12-01 @ 09:37
迴響 from: jjy [訪問者]
"服從"
這是個共犯結構,
你會願意接受這個遊戲規則,
多半是以為
"今天我服從他, 明天別人就會服從我"
可是等到那一天
你卻拿不出值得別人服從的願景
於是大家變成了"盲從"
2009-12-01 @ 10:28
迴響 from: 邁成功 [訪問者]
那來那麼多為什麼,要活下去就要找自已能活下去的路,要找到,就只能自已找解答,那來那麼多解惑的人可以幫妳找答案。

另一個教育的問題…有點小想法,如果在國中、高中開始,老師就直接說你讀這個書,以後出來的薪水和你的生活品質的時候,學生會不會比較用功呢?

如果在每個班級裡都放二個大陸學生和印度學生,我想十年後,我們的教育水平和學生素質就不會這樣了吧。

外面的世界好大,好寬,我坐在台北的辦公室裡寫軟體,我的對手是大陸和印度不知名角落的工程師,一想到這個,我晚上真的睡不好…
2009-12-01 @ 10:34
迴響 from: 亂民 [訪問者]
來亂

1.“民可使由之,不可使知之。”
2.“民可,使由之;不可,使知之。”
3.“民可使,由之;不可使,知之。”
4.“民可使,由之不可;使知之。”
5.“民可使由之?不。可使知之。”
6.“民可使由之?不可。使知之。”
7.“子曰民可使由之不可使知之。”

http://www.fireofliberty.org/trad/article/5640.asp
2009-12-01 @ 11:04
迴響 from: 宅宅 [訪問者]
或許這就是世界吧
有人會思考
有人會隨波逐流

當全部人都會思考
隨波逐流就是獨特之人

當全部人是隨波逐流
會思考就是獨特之人

但台灣的教育 真的是比較容易製造出 一窩蜂
可說是天性吧
例如紅極一時的葡式蛋塔 台灣人就喜歡一窩峰
去做葡式蛋塔 所以垮了一堆
就像現在 一堆人覺得醫生賺錢好賺
所以拼命去讀醫 感覺氾濫後 醫生就不值錢了 所以量產 成本就降低 警惕呀
還是做藍海比較重要
遊戲界現在也炒的很熱 但太多人了 所以 我不看好未來市場 人多 就會偏廢
2009-12-01 @ 11:35
迴響 from: expo [訪問者]
把上課、學習的倫理,跟競爭力連結在一起,這種邏輯跟以前強調髮禁、強調學生一定要會九九乘法,其實很類似。

20多年以前的教育單位也是振振有詞的用「髮禁=學習心態正常」、「九九乘法=基本數學能力」這類的邏輯在講啊。

教改把這些都改變了。不管贊不贊成,它就已經是大家都接受的東西。

目前的現役大學生幾乎都是從教改一路上來的。現在,突然有人冒出「上課吃雞排泡麵=不敬業=沒競爭力」的邏輯,只是讓自己瞬間變成教改的保守派。

這就像是父母老師一直要孩子「勇敢作自己」,等到孩子把自己的真實感受說出來時,長輩們又出來說這是「草莓族」。

要不想引起開戰都很難啊。

2009-12-01 @ 17:24
迴響 from: ZERO [訪問者]
*****
朱大我真的覺的你要是教育部長就好了。

不知道有沒有這一天 等到你當我們國家的教育部長呀
2009-12-01 @ 17:30
迴響 from: 咩咩 [訪問者]
不能怪我們上課想睡覺

去看看上課照著課本唸的老師

去看看上課說話只含在嘴巴裡的老師

去看看上課只會說政治或人生道理,自己卻做不到的老師

等等~~

我相信不管任何人 都會上課睡覺

很多時候 老師只會怪我們學生 上課不認真 可是有時候真的不是我們學生上課不認真 而是老師~~

我參加過朱大的演講,聽過那們多演講 他的演講最有趣 也最有意義

唸大學 是為給自己有出入 現在不管什麼工作
最低都要高中以上(明明就不是多麼複雜 多麼困難的工作 偏偏要找大學學歷)
2009-12-01 @ 19:21
迴響 from: JENNY [訪問者]
不管再有理由,在上課偷吃東西就有可議之處。
很多事情沒有那麼多理由,是就是是,非就是非。
如果日後入職場看診時一邊吃泡麵,患者的感想如何?

洪蘭衡量醫學生水準低落的標準很奇怪,但學生有一堆GGYY的理由也教人看不下去。
(像朱大講的,這樣的理由在入社會後就不管用了。)

現今的環境造成學生對未來更茫然有幾分是事實,但以前出路比較好時,也是有一堆學生不知道自己將來要幹麼。

套一句先賢講的話:「少年啊,要立大志!」
不要管別人如何,問你自己就好了。
以我自己為例(不是要誇示自己有多偉大,請別誤會),
我大三就決定畢業後想作出版,但我父親極力想勸我當公務員。
近二十年過去了,我還在做編輯,父女間還在拉鋸。
雖然不有錢,但我敢說這是一條無悔的路,
是一條充實又忠於自我的路,

所以,人生是你自己的,沒有人能拿刀架住脖子逼你做決定;如果你昨天沒做決定,今天做決定也不遲;如果你已經不能走回頭路了,那麼,請努力在目前的這條路上找出蹊徑。

以上是個人小小感想。
2009-12-01 @ 20:22
迴響 from: leoliao [訪問者]
很好奇到底洪教授上課的內容是什麼?
2009-12-01 @ 20:49
迴響 from: 糸色 代 [訪問者]
(Lucifer:可是我實在很想跟家長講,一句話對不會是因為那句話對不對,而不是因為講話的人成不成功啊!但這樣我又會被更多家長討厭了!)


我愛死了你這段回覆~~~~~~~
GJ啊!!
2009-12-01 @ 20:52
迴響 from: 阿論 [訪問者]
kulu [訪問者]

板主打了大半天的文章卻只會回"沙發""頭香"的人到底有沒有仔細看板主想要傳達的意義?只會回這種"頭香"文的麻煩滾回巴哈好嗎?
2009-11-30 @ 11:12

拎北 是看完文章才回的 關你個屌事 版主打了大半天文章 你卻只會批評我 我看你才滾回你媽的XX吧!!!
2009-12-01 @ 21:26
迴響 from: 路過的異鄉人 [訪問者]
不過簡體中文看起來很累就是了...這點我倒是還好。

人們總是根據自己所期待的答案,去組織問題。

朱某人說了什麼話不重要,
是大企業家說的才重要。
要是大企業家說了不中聽,
那就再換一個人說,
只有當父母親們覺得正確,
才是最好、最成功的。

是此,父母心中的價值觀,才是幕後的操手。

2009-12-01 @ 21:29
迴響 from: 秋名山之恥 [訪問者]
*****
我也想問...
為什麼勞工階級如此被雇主壓榨...
卻鮮少有人抗議遊行甚至罷工呢?
是奴性使然嗎?

我好想參加罷工遊行喔馬的...
2009-12-01 @ 22:04
迴響 from: oskar [訪問者]
*****
其實我最想聽的是紅藍現在對於在吵的事情
跟這個台大舉辦的研討會

她的感想是什麼?

他覺得學生發瘋了?
這個世界發瘋了?
覺得關他什麼事情?
怪學生不尊師重道?
...
或者是...他也有在想自己是不是表達錯了?
自己是不是錯了?(有個洪姓學者貼了一篇文http://blog.ofset.org/ckhung/index.php?post/09be 我覺得不錯, 文末強調 "具有權威地位的人, 放下權威不用, 甚至反省 「自己與同儕的權威地位如何被我們濫用」 給外人聽, 這才是最有效的挑戰社會各種權威的方式, 這才是最好的品德教育; 同時又能促進社會的民主化, 而不是服從權威。")

也有可能她就把頭埋進沙裡面...我覺得這就挺可惜的...

我很佩服小說家張大春先生
除了他在小說上的成就跟表現之外
有一次他貼了一篇關於波波的言論, 被批得很慘.
過幾天他又再貼了一篇文, 但是卻不是貼文繼續戰, 而是將他這段時間對於各界的回響與自己的無知的反省告訴大家.
真的帶種...

我也期待, 就算是潑婦罵街也好...
洪蘭教授應該也要說點話, 讓我們了解一下這一課上到哪裡了???
2009-12-01 @ 22:45
迴響 from: oskar [訪問者]
張大春 必須面對的錯誤
http://tw.nextmedia.com/applenews/article/art_id/31656916/IssueID/20090526

他部落格上的一些討論
http://blog.chinatimes.com/storyteller/archive/2009/05/24/406928.html
張大春寫道:
答曰:謝謝你的指教。你所說的「原地認錯」之文已經寫了,不過還是得等到週二才能見報。連日來我祇能大字轉貼不同意我立論的迴響意見,而無片言隻語之辯,乃是因為原先我那篇文字並不是在此間發表的,而來此賜教的朋友說得比我清楚也正確,我就是受教而已。

我寫東西不脫魯莽,讀者卻多高明沉潛之士,往往對我有嚴厲又準確的教誨,我希望能做到「聞過則喜」,而不必承受不該享有的佩服。謝謝啦!
2009-12-01 @ 22:53
迴響 from: 爆肝可樂奶 [訪問者]
台灣的教育不就是這樣嗎!!? 念了十幾年的書

從一開始問很多問題結果被同學老師瞪
到後來 都假裝知道 然後回家自己弄!!
不都是因為群體不喜歡太特別的人嗎?

有多少的愛因斯坦跟艾迪生就這樣被磨滅掉了?

我已經忘了我從甚麼時候開始不去問為什麼!?
我只知道想要知道為什麼只能靠自己去發掘
2009-12-01 @ 22:55
迴響 from: oskar [訪問者]
to 爆肝可樂奶

你說的這部分, 我認為並沒有錯...

但是, 如果某個人選擇接受, 或是沉默不作反抗
某個時間點某個人跳出來抱怨說
"這都是別人的錯..."

這的確是很瀟灑很簡單...
不過呢..

引用你說到的一段話
"從一開始問很多問題結果被同學老師瞪
到後來 都假裝知道 然後回家自己弄!!
不都是因為群體不喜歡太特別的人嗎?"

為什麼不選擇喜歡自己, 堅持做自己呢?
如果選擇隨波逐流, 漂流到一個荒島的時候
怪罪其他人, 我覺得沒有很健康啊

愛因斯坦跟愛迪生 他們不太管其他人怎麼想
你只是因為恐懼而順從...
某個程度上, 你跟你罵的制度, 凳你的人
是一樣的東西
2009-12-01 @ 23:09
迴響 from: falasifah [訪問者]
在工作崗位上倒是很多人會問為什麼? 因為是標準作業流程, 老闆說每個issue都要問3到5個why~ 好像這樣就很有追根究底的感覺~ 可是我怎麼覺得很瞎~~
2009-12-01 @ 23:19
迴響 from: 龍騎士沒穿衣服(K) [訪問者] · http://fkdf.blog126.fc2.com/
*****
朱恐龍好:

確是,
就是因為多數人放棄去問為什麼
才會給官僚當傻子耍~

敝人這次來這想請教個問題,
如果對手是巴哈姆特(http://home.gamer.com.tw)

的話,為了反對該站做事的兩面標準,
敝人應該去向哪個單位申訴呢?

請簡單地給個單位或網址即可(´・ω・`)


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敝人針對本事件編寫的文章:
http://home.gamer.com.tw/blogDetail.php?owner=b06903462001&sn=11369

Lucifer:你這個不叫問為什麼,你這個叫做自己沒作什麼還要問別人為什麼,你為什麼連怎麼抗爭都不會呢?
2009-12-01 @ 23:29
迴響 from: 爆肝可樂奶 [訪問者]
TO oskar
其實我不是想抱怨這都是別人的錯
只是當你如果有嘗受過群體排斥的情形
你會知道那壓力有多麼恐怖

不是我們不起身對抗
而是一個人能有多少能力去對抗潮流

引用一下朱大的話
"
從什麼時候開始,我們只會向權威屈服?
從什麼時候開始,比較多人作的事情就是對的?
從什麼時候開始,你變得不好意思跟別人不一樣?
從什麼時候開始,你放棄了捍衛自己論點和立場的機會?
從什麼時候開始,以和為貴變成懦弱的最好理由?"

因為許多的經驗法則告訴我們
太多的抵抗並不能改變那些人的想法
只會讓自己碰得滿身是傷

也許我是懦弱膽怯的
誰不想保有熱情去面對一切
只是現實就是如此
想減少傷害就只能隨波逐流
努力做好自己能做好的事


另 感謝 oskar 大 指出我的個性缺點
2009-12-01 @ 23:38
迴響 from: Jasper [訪問者]
我很好奇你去演講的時候會不會也分享那些照片 =))
just kidding

2009-12-01 @ 23:48
迴響 from: 下集待續 [訪問者]
*****
是不是先把問題弄清楚, 也許那是老師跟學生間, 所談定的默契. 我大學時某一堂課的教授第一堂課就跟我們說, 只要我們不吵, 上課做什麼都可以, 吃東西, 睡覺, 甚至把腳翹起來放在桌上都沒關係, 這是二十年前的事, 當年的我們, 沒有半個人這樣做.

當年我們系上, 懂得作弊的人, 學年成績很多頂優的, 因為他們跟我說, 這樣才能申請到國外優良的研究所, 當中有一個, 現在也在芝加哥執業當醫生了, 反倒是我這個一路走來, 從沒作弊的學生, 賴在家成了一個無業游民.

一切, 都是不一定不一定的, 看到圖片中有一個睡覺的模樣, 實在很有趣, 應該是一生中都值得保留的照片吧!

我覺得應該教改回原來的一試定終身制, 現在的教育體系全部有利富人, 窮人家的小孩, 有錢去學小提琴嗎?
2009-12-02 @ 04:22
迴響 from: 相信重點不只在此 [訪問者]
有些人的回文內有種在台灣很普遍但很可怕的想法...
千錯萬錯我沒錯
責任都是別人要擔,我不需負責任

當然這種想法還代表了"被動"
環境這個樣,我就要跟著這樣?

2009-12-02 @ 05:47
迴響 from: Mr. Bu [訪問者] · http://www.budady.net/Blog
*****
在工地看到這張藍天的照片時我差點哭出來,
我自認也是個追求夢想和實踐自我的人,
但要這麼理直氣壯的把追求夢想這一事說的這麼鏗鏘有力,真的朱大才有辦法...
放棄過去平順的生活重新開始過程中,碰到很多的困難和辛苦,我常常都要看這裡的文章來勉勵自己,謝謝朱大
不過對於大學生這一事,我認為大學生要做的的確是問自己為什麼要成為大學生,這就跟我們以後出社會以後一直問自己為什麼要工作上班一樣,這是個不斷延續的問題,也沒那麼容易找到答案,大學生的確可以在離開填壓式的教學後休息一陣子,但在大學這階段除了休息之外也的確要好好讓自己嘗試和沉澱一下自己的未來,或許無法在大學階段找到答案,那就在研究所找答案吧,如果也無法在研究所找到答案,那就在社會上再來找答案吧..一直要問自己為什麼,一直勇敢去追求自己想知道的問題,答案總有一天會出現...大家都加油

當阿宅超讚~~~耶...
2009-12-02 @ 07:42
迴響 from: 龍騎士沒穿衣服(K) [訪問者] · http://fkdf.blog126.fc2.com/
<朱恐龍

對,敝人不曾做過什麼,
所以最好從現在開始做(會)。

也確實敝人不懂得如何去抗爭,
當然也沒凶狠到可以每年燒幾百萬
去點燃別人的火燄。

不過我想如果每個人都做點事,
一個人不用做很多,
只要很多人都有做的話就好了;

或許朱學恆一年就可以少燒個幾萬塊
還能讓社會變得樂觀一些。


拜託,簡單的幾個提示就行了。

(Lucifer:社群網站主導者通常就是該地的老大嚕,要戰不可在該地戰...:>
2009-12-02 @ 09:22
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
為什麼上課吃東西有可議之處?
那老師上課講的內容很爛是不是有可議之處?


以前唸陰間部時有些老師都會很好的提醒我們上課中吃東西沒關係......我想大家都成年人了,有很多事情都是可以拿出來討論的不是嗎?
啊如果真的有人白痴到以後看診還在吃東西,你就不要去掛他的診就好了啊.....除非他的醫術好到我甘願花前看他邊吃東西邊開處方......

以前國小時還有位老師說過...你們上課作其他的事可以,只要不被我發現或是打擾到其他同學上課.....我覺得這位老師真帥.....
2009-12-02 @ 10:52
迴響 from: JENNY [訪問者]
請參考天下專訪桂綸鎂的報導--------
http://www.cw.com.tw/article/index.jsp?page=1&id=3590
2009-12-02 @ 11:00
迴響 from: JENNY [訪問者]
請參考天下專訪戴立忍的報導--------http://www.cw.com.tw/issue/2009edu/da01.jsp
2009-12-02 @ 11:05
迴響 from: JENNY [訪問者]
To Ninny:

請不要把少數特例認為是常態。
我不相信每位老師都同意上課吃東西。

再來,你怎麼能確定吃東西沒有打擾到同學上課?
說不定同學會覺得你食物的香味或吃東西的聲音干擾到他上課了呢?只是他隱忍不講。

如果上課方式是很隨性,那大家的舉動也可以不拘一些;
但假若不是,請學會尊重老師。

老師講課很爛當然可以有可議之處,
你大可聯合同學一起反應請老師更改教學方式,或向校方抗議,
而不是用吃東西這種方法來抗議,
因為很阿Q....
2009-12-02 @ 11:34
迴響 from: oskar [訪問者]
to 爆肝可樂奶

我挺佩服你的, 你很有度量.
我一直不喜歡說我心裡想的話, 多半選擇正面的部分講就是因為, 像你這樣有雅量的人其實並不多.
而且, 我的虛偽是天生的一種技術...XD

其實, 我猜想你受到的傷可能是兩個方面的
1.媒體所報導的社會不公或是政治問題
我一向覺得政治問題是火星人跟奧斯卡金像獎角力的世界. 別花時間在意.
2a "別人"的經驗法則
杜拉克有本書裡面引用某個拉比講過的話
"上帝造的人都會犯下各式各樣的錯, 別從別人的錯誤中學習, 看看他們是怎麼做對的"
同樣地, 也不需要用別人的經驗嚇自己.
他山之石當然可以攻錯, 不過說不定妳們是不一樣的石頭.
2b 自己的經驗
你很有度量
也會從錯誤中成長
我不相信你會長成, 你不喜歡的那樣的.


2009-12-02 @ 13:07
費曼:大家都努力的考試,也教下一代如何考試, 然而大家卻什麼都不懂。

http://blog.eyny.com/space.php?uid=3697435&do=blog&id=331605
2009-12-02 @ 14:53
迴響 from: Izzy [訪問者]
我很同情那些在台下打瞌睡的同學,沒事還要被動員去聽校長演講。我猜台大的狀況可能就跟我之前唸的學校一樣,早上集合不去,輕則勞動服務,重則記警告。這樣"動員學生"的方式,我個人非常不贊成。若演講內容真的是學生所想聽的,猜想現場應該是"擠"到爆才對。 再者,若把這樣"動員學生"的模式搬到澳洲(我個人目前在澳洲唸書),有多少學生會理學校,乖乖去聽演講,有人去就要偷笑了。
2009-12-02 @ 16:36
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
突然可以了解某種奇怪的感受.....


我有說這是常態了嗎?不都說了這種事本來就應該是大家在課堂上講清楚就好了?隱忍不敢講只好怪自己鄉愿......我有說我不要尊重老師了嗎?老師都說可以吃我們為什麼要忍著餓不吃?我有說我是拿吃東西來抗議老師教的不好了嗎?而且教學評鑑上把爛老師打爛分數這是我一向的作風.......因為我不是那種鄉愿的人.......我有繳學費的~
2009-12-02 @ 16:53
迴響 from: JENNY [訪問者]
To Ninny:

突然可以了解朱大在別篇文裡說的話。

如果閱讀、理解能力不好,聽不懂別人話裡的重點(也連自己的話都沒想清楚),硬要對號入座,又只會氣沖沖的用一兩句話以偏概全,那就請不要輕易的放……噗。



2009-12-02 @ 17:34
迴響 from: JENNY [訪問者]
還有,我不會再浪費時間來回應你了。
2009-12-02 @ 17:36
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
真的好好玩喔XDDDDDDDD!
2009-12-02 @ 17:59
迴響 from: 大雄 [訪問者] Email
我們也不過都是這個僵化體制下的犧牲者.....

我們老師曾說過:你們有沒有想過,為什麼台灣高中生奧林匹亞都在國際前幾,讀完高等教育後卻沒有出什麼有名的數學家或是經濟學家.....因為大家腦袋早就僵化了,思想被框限住,想不出原創的理論,只能東抄抄西改改。 就像現在上課,我講錯了或是有矛盾,你敢反駁我嗎?你敢提出質疑嗎?台灣的教育已經變成單向的,學生毫不思索的一昧吸收老師教的。其實不應該是這樣的,應該是互相教學相長,甚至要有點切磋的良性競爭
2009-12-02 @ 20:50
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
此方的呆毛真難作.........囧"
2009-12-02 @ 21:03
迴響 from: 11 [訪問者]
去小7工作吧^^
我想當一個家庭主夫
所以我勤練廚藝打掃家務
學習怎麼照顧小孩與人相處
家計怎麼維持
接下來就是找個女強人來交往
這是我的夢想與目標

人有了目標就不會想死而會努力的去達成目標
工作只是為了一口飯,不是讓你去死的原因
既然失業就放自己幾天假到處去走走
想想自己想要什麼
2009-12-03 @ 04:10
迴響 from: 宅心人厚 [訪問者]
to 大雄
我們確實都是這個僵化體制下的犧牲者,
而且我們可能會繼續犧牲之後的人們,
如果衝撞體制的人不夠多,
如果衝撞體制的人沒獲得足夠的代價,

這是一個很廣大的問題,
包括前一篇討論動新聞的事件,都是這個問題的其中一環。
我們的國家已經習慣性的要制定所有該給人民的知識、價值觀,
然後通通塞進我們的教育體制中,要大家全部吸收良好。
學校式教育,是計畫式教育。
有明確目標,有時程限制,又是分齡教學。
我們該學的東西越來越多,從來不曾也不會減少。
但是沒有考量每個區域的、教育單位的、老師的、學生的、家庭的環境及心理獨特性,
一昧的傾倒所有齊一式的教育理念,
就像是一幅毫無留白、塗滿畫面的畫作,
怎麼讓孩子發問?

最重要的是,讓學生失去問為什麼的關鍵時間,
不是大學,
而是在中小學階段,我們就抹殺了孩子的這項延展歷!
朱大,你可以觀察你的孩子,是從甚麼時候開始問為什麼,又是從幾歲開始漸漸不問為什麼。
當然,我想您的宅動力,應該遠超過學校的毀滅力。XDDD

上課了,繼續衝撞體制去。
2009-12-03 @ 08:55
迴響 from: 阿威 [訪問者]
我覺得朱大做教育部長,可能還不夠火侯,需要再磨練幾年。朱大方向很好,立意也良善,可是充滿太多草莽氣息,更缺乏細緻思考。搞教育也像辦活動,但不是靠熱血大聲喊喊話,實行的細節就會自己跑出來。

真正在做事的才會招致批評,只會批評而沒下海去弄得自己一身腥,那還火侯不夠。
2009-12-03 @ 10:32
迴響 from: ColorWolf [訪問者]
說真的,就算到了台灣企業去,企業要的還是聽話的員工。所以不要說社會跟學校有很大差別,思維都是一樣的。
2009-12-03 @ 11:27
迴響 from: 吳澧童 [訪問者]
不好意思,朱大這篇文章實在太棒了,我真的沒辦法寫的比你更好了,只好將您的文章連結到我的facebook上,讓更多我的朋友可以看到。

我知道這樣很不禮貌,如果朱大不同意,請告訴我,讓我以最快速度將它拿下來。謝謝!
2009-12-03 @ 16:19
迴響 from: umir [訪問者] · http://loverein.pixnet.net/blog
阿宅,我只能說,我跟你的演講時間難搭上線…
想說這學期你也會到我們學校來演講…看到活動表,心中:Yes!!(就是明天12/4)


但看到時間竟然是下午2點到4點,立即在心中:Oh~NO!我要上課…(搥心肝呀~搥心肝呀~搥心肝呀呀呀呀~)
希望你明年還可以蒞臨我們學校演講,而且我也剛好沒課可以去聽 (祈禱)
2009-12-03 @ 22:04
迴響 from: Zs [訪問者]
開學典禮被拍的那幾個,根據老師說是我們學校的學長...

我聽過很多學長被逼去讀醫科的例子,沒有興趣的東西讀起來真蠻痛苦的,個人是這樣

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好久沒問為什麼了,只記得剩五十五天

2009-12-03 @ 23:24
迴響 from: 馬系 [訪問者]
**---
讀不讀醫科、是不是自己自願的,那是一回事,
要不要在上課睡覺、吃雞腿那又是另外一回事。

可能是教育、文化、教授或是其他人的關係才造成這個現象,這個是一回事。
被這個環境影響後,要不要自己接受、改變,那個又是另外一回事。

男子漢不要每次都把不同的事混在一起。這個是這個,那個是那個。我想朱大最近可能太忙,忘了自己寫過的文章。

2009-12-03 @ 23:43
迴響 from: 大約21公分 [訪問者]
*****
這樣很好啊, 多元意見的表達, 朱大的板總是很熱鬧很有年輕的熱情感.
2009-12-04 @ 01:35
迴響 from: youchan [訪問者]
其實可以不用想得那麼複雜,就只是尊重和有沒有同理心而已,如果有心去考慮到講者和聽講人的感受就不會這樣了。

當然如果是真的無法抗拒XDD

也有些老師很體諒學生的。
2009-12-04 @ 12:20
迴響 from: elaine [訪問者]
........

這則新聞有後續八卦..好像比較精彩哩...

反正這些雛型的小阿宅要吃啥跟睡成甚麼鬼樣子..只是成為阿宅模型ㄉ指標,可以再阿宅圈競爭。

至於您的課~
如果要測驗加上報告再加上壓力..
或者同樣的話講整學期
大家也是會又吃又睡ㄉ
2009-12-04 @ 23:08
迴響 from: shioki [訪問者]
很顯然洪教授年紀大了有遠視,不然怎麼沒有注意近在咫尺的中央也差不多...
2009-12-05 @ 00:18
迴響 from: vivileliviv [訪問者]
You may ask why, but the answer will not be from other people. After asking you have to use your own brain to find out how to find an answer for yourself. No one else have the obligation to give you an answer.

It common sense to be responsible and courteous as you would wish from others.
2009-12-06 @ 07:11
迴響 from: PA [訪問者]
>11

好讚的夢想,我支持你!!!
2009-12-06 @ 08:11
迴響 from: 密勒日巴 [訪問者]
  社會的威權更嚴重,問題更大,近幾年來,教育體制的威權已不像過去,學生的彈性也更大了。
  離開學校後,發現教育威權不可怕,比較難搞的是出社會後的老闆威權。
  只要有一方掌握資源,就可以塑造威權,過去老爸要給你錢,你才能念大學,所以要聽他的;現在是老闆給你錢,更應該聽他的,而且你又有老婆小孩的話,情況更慘,你不爽,但也不能隨時離職。
  看到了問題,要來思考問題,我們可以思考的是,為什麼會有威權現象?人類歷史不是沒有解決過,至少政治上我們有改善了威權,走向民主。
  但在勞資上仍存在這種狀況,除非你有自己的know-how,但你也很有可能因此變另一種威權。
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  另一個觀點,如果我的醫生過去上課吃雞腿便當,而且自信自己可以一邊吃飯一邊上課,那我還挺擔心的;這傢伙會不會只想表現自己的聰明?而不是謙卑地面對這項重要的職業?
2009-12-06 @ 10:31
迴響 from: oskar [訪問者]
1.上課前沒時間吃東西,餓肚子求學的醫生
2.上課中吃便當, 一邊求學的醫生
3.在教室外吃便當, 等吃完再進去上課的醫生(而且少上到至少十分鐘的課程)

請問你要選哪一個???

我想你就會選...不管他以前上課不上課, 大家都說他是名醫, 價格低廉, 服務親切, 不用排隊 還送你到門口的醫生

又要馬兒跑, 又要馬兒不吃草!!!
所以醫生到底是專業好就行了, 還是謙卑就行了???
2009-12-06 @ 16:16
朱大,洪蘭後來寫的這篇其實也有提到你說的問題。
http://www.udn.com/2009/12/5/NEWS/OPINION/OPI4/5290602.shtml
2009-12-06 @ 20:04
迴響 from: B-Elderly [訪問者]
TO cheevan

洪蘭那篇依然檢討的是別人,不是他自己阿~~

我不覺得沒有典範是問題,反而覺得沒有批判權威能力才是問題~~

再偉大的人都只有一小部分的地方可以給特別的一群人當典範的啦!

2009-12-07 @ 10:48
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父母要負很大的責任.我就很羨慕朱大有這種敢與眾不同的老媽阿.
2009-12-08 @ 15:52
迴響 from: 我寫故我在 [訪問者]
*****
父母要負很大的責任+1
非常非常的同意,尤其身在威權式家庭的我,真的太同意了。
2009-12-08 @ 16:18
迴響 from: 酸葡萄 [訪問者]
*****
看到這裡,非常支持洪蘭...(的爆料)
為什麼?
學生不聽課,是因為教授的方法不對~
問題在教授不在學生!
國立大學教授薪水多少哇?那是納稅人的錢吧?
聽說洪蘭是去評鑑的...
多評一點、多扣一點...
扣教授薪水!扣台大經費好了...
贊成廢除國立大學~~~
(沒有人家台大學生聰明的酸葡萄...)
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留言啦

2009-12-13 @ 00:14
迴響 from: 懶叫比雞腿, [訪問者]
懶叫比雞腿,
不過是上課啃雞腿又不是上課含懶趴。
2009-12-13 @ 19:39
迴響 from: 凱 [訪問者]
台灣教育太垃圾
嚴重填鴨教育
但也不能全部100%怪罪教育官員
家長至少要付50%以上的責任
知足不辱,知止不殆的態度是原罪
台灣的教育不想說了

我這裡要講個可能有些人比較反感的
上上任教育部長杜部長
即是經常上新聞版面而且還是負面居多
但是我想他在教育上的貢獻遠遠比之後的2位教育部長來的多
除了"真正"廢除髮禁之外,還有嚴禁體罰
對於學生的人權議題上算是做了不少事


台大為什麼會這麼囂張,也不能全怪學生,畢竟大多數都是拼死拼活才考進去的,給他混一下上課吃東西又何妨,該改善的應該是學校的行政單位,還有諸位教授,這些人真應的以身作則,用身教教育學生
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好, Winz說本噗很久沒有顯身手了, 所以現在要來活動一下筋骨。

就來談談這幾年, 朱神 帶給了年輕人怎樣的訊息吧!

對了, 剛剛Winz警告我, 這裡是朱神的地盤, 而且人家現在有權有勢, 我們最好不要成為 神敵。

但話說回來, 朱神在版頭不是寫了, 現在很欠像樣的敵人? 本噗和Winz根本是不入流的, 自然無法成為 神敵。 (這裡建議朱神, 若要找到像樣的神敵其實很容易啊~ 去PTT正式宣佈自己已經成神了, 就會有神敵出現^^)


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Now, 我們來看看幾年, 朱神 帶給了年輕人怎樣的訊息吧! 呃, 其實我一次他的演講也沒聽過。

可是我身邊就有一位「當年的年輕人」, 那就是Winz。當年的他可是把朱哥當成偶像呢! 那時候的朱哥還在電玩雜誌裡寫文章, Winz還只是一個又臭又沒乾的高中生而已。

「那時候的朱哥真是令人震驚!」 Winz他說, 當年光是一篇講Paladin與Ranger的文章, 就讓人震驚不已。不, 不是因為神光, 而是因為朱哥紮實道地的見解。

但這幾年在神光瀰漫下, 本噗覺得現在年輕人從朱神身上, 卻學到了錯誤的資訊:

「要敢嗆就會出名!」「只要我年輕, 有什麼不可以反叛」「要學習朱神 , 我要做別人不做的才屌」「因為我是宅, 所以我什麼都可以跟別人不一樣」


朱神傳達了一個最正確的訊息: 沒錯, 你有權利去做自己想做的事, 不必在乎別人的眼光。

(雖然這個梗伏爾泰和盧梭都說過了, 但是可惜他們講法語, 所以多虧朱神用中文再說一次)

這是千真萬確, 朱神的神光沐浴下, 台灣人該聽的訊息。


---> 但是, 我們的年輕人似乎卻忘了其它東西......

1. 朱哥為什麼能翻譯魔戒? 是因為他很宅很屌? 不是的。是因為朱哥懂英文, 是因為他對奇幻文學的認識。如果朱哥連26個字母都背不出來的話, 光是靠很屌沒辦法翻譯魔戒吧?

2. 朱哥為什麼能演講這麼生動有趣? 是因為他敢講敢嗆? 本噗看未必。他演講場場爆滿, 是因為他有足夠的人生歷練與觀察, 他是先用朱腦去想, 再開朱口去講。

3. 朱哥怎麼能把事業闖這麼大? 是因為他敢和別人不一樣, 他到處走跳嗆烘烘? --如果沒有冷靜的思考與理性的判斷, 光靠朱腿到處走跳, 如何成就大事呢?



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這幾年來 , 朱神的光芒越來越光耀, 我們的年輕人們趨之若騖, 好似被朱光照耀一下, 自己就可以在他人面前巨大起來。

但年輕人似乎學漏了一些訊息, 那就是從朱哥變朱神 , 這背後想必有非常刻苦的血汗經驗 -- 我們的年輕人似乎只以為 "敢嗆, 敢叫, 敢去PTT躲在螢幕後面罵人, 這就是神威"

他們忘記了, 神 是練出來的。



這就是這幾年, 朱神 帶給了年輕人的訊息吧。

還有被年輕人遺忘的訊息。


(泡麵終於軟了)
2011-01-06 @ 22:49
朱神您好, 我是Winz。剛才巴噗的話實在太多了, 多到等他打完的時候, 泡麵都整個軟爛掉了。這是很不應該的。

言歸正傳。先說我不是 朱神教, 也不是 敵朱神教 的信徒, 只是中立人士, 中立人士啦~~~ (這幾個字在台灣好像沒啥路用)

洪蘭老師這件事已經變成往事了。說真的現在大概也沒幾個網友會記得, 是已經下檔的事了。不過有些問題現在看起來還是很值得一說。那就是關於態度與作為的問題。

年輕人的態度不符合老人的期待, 這其實一點也不奇怪。大家終究想看的是作為 -- 比方, 啃雞腿的大學生, 他是不是真的長期專心在課業上, 在救人的志業上?

這整件事如果光是去看態度一件事, 就顯得非常淺了。所以巴噗說網路上關於這件事的議論, 有99%都不必去看, 倒是沒錯。

問題在於: 今天不管你態度怎樣, 你實際的作為又如何? 今天如果我啃雞腿, 然後下課天天往股市直奔, 開刀的時候不斷查詢賭盤-- 這就不只是態度的問題, 而在於作為的問題。

隱約覺得, 洪老師真正擔心的是這個作為的問題。當然, 她老人家似乎直接把學生的態度與他的作為串連在一起做判斷, 或許是有些武斷。但不容否認, 這個學生真正的作為才是你我最關注的。 啃雞腿或是豬腿, 根本是不值得討論的問題(除了速食店會關心以外)

Now, 我要回扣一下巴噗剛剛講的。他的中文很差所以不必回過去看它寫什麼鬼, 聽我Winz講的就可以了。巴噗要說的是, 現在台灣很多年輕人, 態度千奇百怪, 但是更要緊的是 --作為也有問題。

常聽到10幾歲的年輕人說, 聽了朱神一場演講以後恍然大悟, 要走自己的路, 要不服從權威。

很好! 不管這是怎樣的態度, 你是去罵權威或是用啃雞腿來抗議, 都無所謂!

但問題是, 接下來你到底做了什麼? 現在社會上, 許多年輕人口口聲聲說要創業 -- 結果是躲在家棉被裡問周公怎樣創業。很多年輕人說要實現自己的夢想, 要去外國打工留學 -- 結果看到26個英文字母就放棄。

其實朱神一點也不必擔心台灣的年輕人畏縮了怯懼了。 相反地, 我們的年輕人衝力無限~~

但是在這背後, 缺少了相對應的基本功的練成。太多夢想, 太少流汗。

醫學生啃雞腿的態度不是那麼重要。重點是這學生有沒有認真熬夜讀書, 流汗開刀。同樣地, 朱神的「魔戒」並不是屌出來的, 是靠英文實力練出來的。

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所以說, 朱神現在已經練到頂點了, 伺服器都爆了。

如果朱神還想繼續二轉或三轉的話, 誠心建議您 , 不必刻意教導台灣年輕人這些態度問題。

多讓他們看看在在態度背後的 作為。分享您背上的傷疤與血汗, 會比分享您的神光, 讓台灣年輕人更受用吧!

(這次剛剛好, 麵都很Q)
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