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媒體市場學:一名友善又低調的老師課程說明~~~ (100649 views)
     

各位,這是我這學期要開的課的介紹。

這不是為了宣傳,也不是為了灌水。

而是因為我大綱都寫了萬一課開不成不貼出來很浪費。

而是因為我希望大家可以參考一下。

Follow up:

第一,這堂整學期的課,在我的行事曆上,除了要去耶魯大學開會或是去世博會演講的國際行程之外,都已經空下來了。換句話說,我不會三天兩頭取消這個課程,因為我有遵守行程規劃執行的習慣。(這邊順便特別強調一下,我最討厭那種跟我約演講半年之前寫封信就以為行程定好了的天真單位,在你們把場地、時間、場勘、人數規模的表格填寫完畢之前,我的行程上根本不會寫上這條行程;而且通常很快會有比你們更認真的單位來搶這些時段。請不要再抱怨什麼半年前約好這類事情了~~~~)

這課程的前五週,我們會設法改造你的簡報技巧。

當然你會說,這不是媒體市場學嗎?為什麼要學什麼簡報技巧?

原因很簡單,你這輩子聽過的演講者大部分爛透了,在那麼多爛透的演講當中,你會發現自己很難理解對方到底要傳達的是什麼理念。

如果對方所傳達的理念你聽不懂,他再聰明也沒屁用。

同樣的,如果你傳達的理念對方聽不懂,學校教給你再怎麼好的知識和學問也都不會有用的,因為你沒辦法讓別人瞭解。

如果你連把自己的夢想傳遞出去都做不到,就像史丹佛的科技創業課程中提的一樣,那你還創什麼業?

不管你將來要走哪一行,不管你將來要做什麼職務,在台灣這麼有限的資源裡面,你至少要學會如何清楚、有效率的表達自己。

如何有效的提案、簡報,這部分的課程我們會參考史丹佛的課程,使用TED的演講和開放式課程內的內容。

包括像是這類如何向創投提案等等類型的演講: http://www2.myoops.org/main.php?act=course&id=2054

接下來的三到四周,視各位的進度和能力而定,我們要討論新媒體。

在現在這個年代,要談媒體,不能不談新媒體,但我們不是用理論、用專家角度來看這個趨勢。

因為搞不好台下的你們比專家還要瞭解新媒體。

我們要讓各位不只初步瞭解新媒體,更可以實習去瞭解如何宣傳、推廣,造成新媒體的流量和點擊率。

你們可以聽聽全球最大的書籤網站Reddit創辦人Alexis Ohanian的演講: http://www2.myoops.org/main.php?act=course&id=2093

這部分的課程教材同樣來自於TED、開放式課程。

接下來一直到學期末,分成兩組的你們只有一個最大的實作報告,就是請找到大直商圈一家店,說服店家讓你們協助他們,不管是進行推廣、協助宣傳都好,總之你們要找到兩家店,在不同的兩個週二中午十二點到兩點左右營業,這兩小時的營業額將會決定哪一組是勝利的組別。

當然,本人會從我的上課講師費用中提供預算讓兩組分別執行這個計畫。

你說這樣的實作跟媒體市場有什麼關係?

當然有關係。

如果你在大直商圈生活了兩年,上了兩年課,卻根本搞不清楚這裡的生活形態,甚至無法運用自己的知識改變周遭的環境,那還談什麼瞭解市場?

瞭解市場當然要從觀察和實作開始!

這堂課的評分方式很簡單。

從第一堂課開始,你們就會分成兩組。

每一個人的每一堂課都會有兩組分數。

第一組分數,是你所屬的那一組,在該堂課中的表現,每一個該組上台簡報的人、和在台下回台問題的表現,都是全組統一的分數。因為你們是一個團隊,和你同組的同學表現不好,就是你表現不好。

第二組分數,則是每一堂課下課前,你要給該組所有人除了你以外的評分。你認為這傢伙剛剛回答問題不認真,之前小組討論不出席,都可以儘管給他低分。這個部分的互評分數是匿名打分(但交給我的評分卷要署名以示負責,只是不會公開),這個部分的分數跟前一組一樣,會每週公布。所以你就不需要再抱怨什麼同組同學不努力、報告不認真卻拿同樣分數了!不會的,因為你可以給他很低分哈哈!

當然,本人身為一個友善又低調的老師,我才懶得強迫你們每個人每堂課都要來上課,還點名強迫你們一定要到?

呿呿,你愛不愛學,愛不愛來上課,那都是你的人生,你家的事。

不過我們上課十分鐘之內,就會發下當週的各組自評分數單,晚來就拿不到,也不用拿了。

當週如果你沒交評分單,就代表你放棄評分權利,決定給同組的每一個同學零分,你同組的同學會怎麼看待這件事情,就看他下一次和這一次的給分給你多少分了。(當然,就算你沒來,你同組的同學還是可以給你一百分,自己拿零分,這才叫做同學愛啊!)

但是我在課程說明中清楚的說了,本課程必當百分之十的學生。

就像是管理實戰派Jack Welch在演講中所提到的一樣:在20-70-10理論中,我們認為每個人...等你們畢業之後,就會成為管理者...我們認為,每個人一旦成為領導者之後,就有責任。你必須要讓每個為你工作的人知道自己的位置,我們認為這是絕對責無旁貸的任務。所以...所以我想出了這個差異化的方式...不是很精確,前20%,誰知道,也許是25%、23%,中間的那70%是很重要的,你必須每天激勵他們,然後最底下的10%,這10%的人在你底下是不會有成就的。你必須要相信,在商業領域,就像是紅襪隊一樣,有最好球員的隊伍會贏,所以你必須要盡量讓最好的球員上場。如果你告訴最底下的10%,他們的位置在哪,而且他們是最底下的10%,你把他們放在一個不會獲得加薪的位置,電腦也不會給他們加薪,他們也不會有股票選擇權,不給錯誤的訊號。因為有時還會有人給他們3%、4%的加薪,這就是錯誤訊號!是因為沒人想面對的關係。

在這個例子裡面,你叫他們進來,你說,這樣行不通的。你在最底下的10%,你不會多賺到什麼錢,你該去找別的可能了,讓你下一年就可以繼續往其他方向走。我告訴你,人們說這叫殘酷管理。當我跟某些人說時,他們會說,我人太好了說不出口。我告訴你...某天你會為某家公司效命,而你面對景氣衰退的狀況,你得要降低50%的成本,你得要縮減,你一定得要裁掉那最底下的10%,你必須叫他們進辦公室:「聽著,你得走了,我是說現在就離職。」一點計畫和預警也沒有!「因為我們得要降低支出,我們有麻煩了。」他們會問你:「為什麼是我?」你得說:「...這個嘛...你的表現不夠好。」「現在你才要說?!我已經幫公司工作了25年!」而他們現在已經53歲,再也沒別的選擇了,這才叫殘酷管理!

當然,我很清楚,各位大學生一聽到要當百分之十的人,都會覺得很害怕,根本不敢來修,所以這堂課可能連十五個人都湊不到,根本開不成。

你以為我會很擔心開不成課著急的掉下眼淚來?

一點都不會啊!

老子幹嘛要浪費時間跟感情跟那些想也不想,根本不敢冒險,就認為自己是團隊最後百分之十的失敗主義者周旋?

承擔不了壓力和認為自己就是墊底的百分之十的人,本來就不該來上這門課!

你可以去上X把刀的課啊!

難道你將來去找工作的時候要先跟老闆講好,不行喔,你公司如果會開除人我承受不了壓力不敢去上班喔?

另外很抱歉,本堂課不接受旁聽,因為你不是選課的學生,就不會有實作的機會,這堂課對你一點意義也沒有。

Lucifer

三月一號最後加退選期限,如果現在覺得害怕,還可以趕快退選唷!啾咪!開始上課之後可不要拿退選單來煩我!

最近感覺太久沒放大圖,大家都忘記來看我部落格需要大頻寬和螢幕了!

很久沒用SGG的圖了!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgg413/

最後補充一下:這門課很遺憾的還是有十九人修,所以開成了。

課堂上發的詳細課程規則說明版本如下:

實踐課程規範

本課程必當10%修課學生,請勿心存僥倖。

一、簡報技巧
這課程的前五週,我們會設法改造你的簡報技巧。
不管你將來要走哪一行,不管你將來要做什麼職務,在台灣這麼有限的資源裡面,你至少要學會如何清楚、有效率的表達自己。
如何有效的提案、簡報,這部分的課程我們會參考史丹佛的課程,使用TED的演講和開放式課程內的內容。
包括像是如何向創投提案等等類型的演講: http://www2.myoops.org/main.php?act=course&id=2054

二、新媒體:
接下來的三到四周,視各位的進度和能力而定,我們要討論新媒體。
在現在這個年代,要談媒體,不能不談新媒體,但我們不是用理論、用專家角度來看這個趨勢。
因為搞不好台下的你們比專家還要瞭解新媒體。
我們要讓各位不只初步瞭解新媒體,更可以實習去瞭解如何宣傳、推廣,造成新媒體的流量和點擊率。

三、實作課程
接下來一直到學期末,分成兩組的你們只有一個最大的實作報告,就是請找到大直商圈一家店,說服店家讓你們協助他們,不管是進行推廣、協助宣傳,甚至是進行價目改造、服務改造皆可,總之你們要找到兩家飲食店,在不同的兩個週二中午十二點到兩點左右營業,這兩小時的營業額將會決定哪一組是勝利的組別。
當然,本人會從我的上課講師費用中提供預算讓兩組分別執行這個計畫。
你說這樣的實作跟媒體市場有什麼關係?
當然有關係。
如果你在大直商圈生活了兩年,上了兩年課,卻根本搞不清楚這裡的生活形態,甚至無法運用自己的知識改變周遭的環境,那還談什麼瞭解市場?
瞭解市場當然要從觀察和實作開始!

從第一堂課開始,你們就會分成兩組。
每一個人的每一堂課都會有兩組分數。
第一組分數,是你所屬的那一組,在該堂課中的表現,每一個該組上台簡報的人、和在台下回答問題的表現、提出問題的認真程度,都是全組統一的分數。因為你們是一個團隊,和你同組的同學表現不好,就是你表現不好。
第二組分數,則是每一堂課下課前,你要給該組所有人除了你以外的評分。你認為這傢伙剛剛回答問題不認真,之前小組討論不出席,都可以儘管給他低分。這個部分的互評分數是匿名打分(但交給我的評分卷要署名以示負責,只是不會公開),這個部分的分數跟前一組一樣,會每週公布。
我們上課十分鐘之內,就會發下當週的各組自評分數單,晚來就拿不到,也不用拿了。
當週如果你沒交評分單,就代表你放棄評分權利,決定給同組的每一個同學零分,你同組的同學會怎麼看待這件事情,就看他下一次和這一次的給分給你多少分了。(當然,就算你沒來,你同組的同學還是可以給你一百分,自己拿零分,這才叫做同學愛啊!)

上課方式:
一、 所有課程所需觀看的影片及演講,需全部於上課前觀看完畢。上課時間只進行討論、報告及提問。
二、 簡報技巧及新媒體系列課程每週都必須在上課前準備好當週報告所需的簡報檔案。助教會在上課時收取檔案。檔案雷同者視同抄襲,本學期成績零分,請各位不要拿自己分數開玩笑。每週會隨機抽選一組二到三人上台報告,台下同學提問討論。(當週該組表現評分為綜合報告、分析、提問之表現分數。)
三、 新媒體系列課程將以入門簡介,接著就接續實作,探討以何種方式可以促進話題、議題流量等。會以國外社交媒體經驗為例,但以國內實務運作為實作案例。
四、 第三階段實作課程各組擁有本人提供之七千元預算,可以自行運用。花光不限制,但如果能夠賺回來還我當然更好。本競賽詳細規則會在執行前再行宣布。
五、 本課程不接受旁聽。因為整個課程包含參與都是課程的一部份,旁聽無助於本課程真正的價值精神。
六、 講完這句話就不接受加退選了,覺得害怕的給各位十秒鐘趕快舉手退選。

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迴響 from: MFTD [訪問者]
喔喔~~好前面
2010-02-27 @ 22:44
迴響 from: anina [訪問者]
*****
朱大
問個小問題...
你的課在哪修得到呢?!
我想修..謝謝^^
2010-02-27 @ 22:46
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搶搶搶 超前面
2010-02-27 @ 22:47
迴響 from: 阿宗 [訪問者]
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同意 當吧!
這樣才會有逆境 才會有決心
2010-02-27 @ 22:47
迴響 from: 羶癢微濕B [訪問者]
羞girl該洗牙了吧~~

2010-02-27 @ 22:49
迴響 from: 白木宅男 [訪問者]
重點是我應該先看留字, 還是留字再看呢?
2010-02-27 @ 22:50
迴響 from: 江君 [訪問者] Email
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好酷的課!
可惜我無法選
2010-02-27 @ 22:52
迴響 from: Chen [訪問者]
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Nice course! Keep going! :)
2010-02-27 @ 22:52
迴響 from: djbk5479 [訪問者]
top9???
2010-02-27 @ 22:55
迴響 from: Hsing [訪問者]
可惜我讀靜宜 不能修
不然我會把我爭取的到超修資格(AVG80)
拿去修這門課挑戰極限
朱大的課很有意思
2010-02-27 @ 22:57
迴響 from: 白木宅男 [訪問者]
我這個十分一之人面皮比較薄, 所以永遠比老闆行前一步, 自行請辭!
2010-02-27 @ 22:59
迴響 from: 肥宅 [訪問者]
在這普遍求學生給好評鑑以提高自己任課數,以提昇自我收入的年代來說,
真是好樣的
這樣才是充滿愛,努力與真誠的老師啊!!
2010-02-27 @ 23:01
迴響 from: Johnny~~~ [訪問者]
圖好像有OP?
2010-02-27 @ 23:02
迴響 from: Cu [訪問者]
請教一下,你會有意思把改善簡報技巧的一些知識集結成冊出書嗎?我很想聽聽你教導的改善簡報技巧方法,可是我又不是大學生,如果你有出書就好了。

(Lucifer:我以前一直以為大家都很會簡報,所以根本沒在收集相關資料啊!這是這學期才體悟到的真相~~~原來大家都不太會簡報!
2010-02-27 @ 23:05
迴響 from: 肚 [訪問者]
圖重複了, 以前貼過了, 失敗!!

(Lucifer:誰叫你每天看我PLURK!)
2010-02-27 @ 23:19
迴響 from: 胖貓 [訪問者]
推大圖...
2010-02-27 @ 23:21
迴響 from: alphabeam剉冰 [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/alphabeam
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我看過最神奇的課程簡介, 坦白說如果10多年前有這種課程, 我應該也會當卒仔不敢選吧. 因為那時候我只想輕鬆的拿學分過關, 把精力用在社團跟網路上吧..:p
2010-02-27 @ 23:22
迴響 from: 書寫體 [訪問者]
如果可以真希望朱大能把上課內容讓我們看到呢
真的對於簡報有一種莫名的恐懼
2010-02-27 @ 23:23
迴響 from: MAIJONA [訪問者]
第二章圖 有黃牙...
2010-02-27 @ 23:33
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是在哪邊上課?
2010-02-27 @ 23:41
迴響 from: 老人家 [訪問者]
是在實踐開的課嗎?還是隔壁那間有修女的高中?應該是實踐吧??啊~我想修啊,可是我已經畢業N百年了~殘念

(Lucifer:隔壁有修女?(羞)
2010-02-28 @ 00:07
迴響 from: 潛水夫 [訪問者]
本來還想,是否有可能去旁聽。結果......。
2010-02-28 @ 00:10
迴響 from: 我寫故我在 [訪問者]
圖大有一點不好
會看到Model不完美的地方...
2010-02-28 @ 00:14
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OH! YEAH!!!

不縮圖才是王道啊!!!
2010-02-28 @ 00:18
迴響 from: 諾克斯 [訪問者]
我想去旁聽簡報課程說,沒想到連這小小的卑微希望都被扼殺了........恨呀~~~~
2010-02-28 @ 00:33
迴響 from: N子 [訪問者]
不能實做還是很想旁聽...
只要用心一定能學到什麼吧!
應該不是完全沒意義
2010-02-28 @ 00:36
迴響 from: 平平 [訪問者]
這個遊戲有必勝法:只要選課人數少於十人就可以歐啪。

Lucifer:十五人以下這課就不會開啦~~~現在玩遊戲大家都不看說明書喔!)
2010-02-28 @ 00:36
迴響 from: Ben [訪問者]
我認為所謂的「失敗主義者」不過是自認為厲害的人鞏固自身地位的說詞。要怎麼當學生是你的自由,但把你自認為表現最後10%的人貼標籤為失敗主義者,這跟我把你當人看有什麼差別?

(Lucifer:我覺得可以貼一個閱讀能力差又愛貼文者的標籤給你,哈哈哈~~~
2010-02-28 @ 00:46
迴響 from: N子 [訪問者]
和你同組的同學表現不好,就是你表現不好。

同組同學不努力、報告不認真卻拿同樣分數了!
不會的,因為你可以給他很低分哈哈!
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關於互相評分,我英明的教授有做過類似的事情

不努力的人,還是能報復性的給努力的人低分(反正他知道你絕對不會給他多高分)

全組(甚至全班)串通互相給高分的狀況也有發生過

酸然朱大有必當10%和遲到不能拿評分單的規則,但我還是他媽的覺得學生互相評分是天下最北七的爛方法(那個學期英明的教授不知哪根筋秀逗讓學生互相評分,我沒遲到沒早退當然沒蹺課,認真聽講努力做報告,卻跟一個爛人拿到同樣分數,跟教授上學期自己打的分數沒兩樣)

Lucifer:這類型的模式我們測試過好幾次,系統自然會得到平衡的....:>大家就彼此給高分啊,反正我還是當百分之十。仔細用模型推導一下吧~~提示:這是囚犯困境
2010-02-28 @ 00:52
迴響 from: 直呆 [訪問者]
*****
我有讓大家都幸福的評分法 >_^

Lucifer:呵呵,這點我老早就預防到了。你可以讓除了你之外的其他人都幸福喔~~~
2010-02-28 @ 01:08
迴響 from: BBB [訪問者]


>N子
>不努力的人,還是能報復性的給努力的人低分(反正他知道你絕對不會給他多高分)
上課要專心~N子

"當週如果你沒交評分單,就代表你放棄評分權利"

>雖然朱大有必當10%和遲到不能拿評分單的規則
不只要專心還要融會貫通

你看不出"不能拿評分單"和"報復性的給努力的人低分"有什麼關係嗎?

>Ben
>但把你自認為表現最後10%的人貼標籤為失敗主義者,這跟我把你當人看有什麼差別?
上課要專心~Ben

"老子幹嘛要浪費時間跟感情跟那些想也不想,根本不敢冒險,就認為自己是團隊最後百分之十的失敗主義者周旋?"
朱說的是因為害怕必當10%而不選這門課的人
2010-02-28 @ 01:24
迴響 from: 宅豬 [訪問者]
簡報技巧阿~真想聽這個部份的課...這方面超差的阿!!.....囧rz
2010-02-28 @ 01:56
迴響 from: moonpool [訪問者]
大推BBB的回文....
我想回覆的他都回覆出來了~
2010-02-28 @ 02:42
迴響 from: 路過 [訪問者]
實踐大學,有不知道有跟哪些學校簽有跨校學分承認...(樓下請解答!
2010-02-28 @ 05:33
迴響 from: Shanejovi [訪問者] · http://shanejovi.blogspot.com/
嗯....我的螢幕當在大圖中間的溝了。
2010-02-28 @ 07:50
迴響 from: kennyuu [訪問者]
看文章內容都沒事,每次我看到大圖的部分我老婆就走進來。。。。很尷尬
2010-02-28 @ 09:43
迴響 from: Colin [訪問者]
同樣推BBB回文 在補充一下我的看法

朱大的互相評分 是佔三分之一
所以就算有前面網友說得 爛人評很低分
或是英明教授的互相評分經驗
我想各種評分方式都有缺陷 所以朱大把他給分散掉

另外大家修課究竟是為了 得高分或是不想跟爛人同分
或是自己真的學到東西呢?
現在的學生想法可能有點改變了

當初學生時代 也是計較自己努力唸書 結果考試結果跟作弊的人一樣分數
一開始不高興 後來想說 他總不能作弊一輩子吧
我為什麼要跟他比
如果我自己分數不夠高 只是代表我努力不夠

另外朱大講得失敗主義者的意思
從上下文看起來
應該是指 沒有嘗試努力 或是挑戰自己的極限
就選擇自己應該會失敗的人
而且如果真的全班都很努力 很厲害結果 就算最後10% 也是很高分 被當了
其實也是社會的縮影
試問如果你去參加 獎學金甄試或是博士班入學考試
他們就是取前三名 就算你是第四名且差前面三名一點點 你還是沒錄取啊

這個應該很簡單去接受吧
況且 現在學生真的那麼在意會被當嗎?
又不是必修 總學分過就好了
真的有學到東西 才是你的啊!!
2010-02-28 @ 09:43
迴響 from: 無力的老師 [訪問者]
我第一年教書時被台灣學生毫無報告的能力嚇到,連研究生都沒有基本概念。更慘的是,她們不覺得這是件重要的事。
2010-02-28 @ 10:03
迴響 from: 強人鐵忠 [訪問者]
我個人是覺得這種評分方式好像還不錯玩

不過會不會有漏洞呢?

那請神人來說好了
2010-02-28 @ 10:07
迴響 from: 不懂 [訪問者]
規則就這樣?
零分是最低分嗎?
可以給人負分嗎?
2010-02-28 @ 10:34
迴響 from: Joanne [訪問者]
朱大我覺得
雖然要避免偷懶混學分的學生,
可是當週沒來得個大零分太慘了吧...
這樣壓力很大耶
變成變相叫人家一定要來上課
而且互評制度本來就不公平,你想想看
一個正妹不太認真跟一個阿宅不太認真
分數就會有差了
這不是一個保障認真學生的制度
2010-02-28 @ 11:02
迴響 from: XD [訪問者]
一直想鑽規則漏是怎樣,認真學習啊!重點不是課程內容嗎 XD
2010-02-28 @ 11:06
迴響 from: XD [訪問者]
>Joanne
>一個正妹不太認真跟一個阿宅不太認真
分數就會有差了
這不是一個保障認真學生的制度


正妹比較不容易被裁,這就是殘酷管理(喂
2010-02-28 @ 11:08
迴響 from: Joanne [訪問者]
朱大你不要說什麼..
"行銷就是要學習讓大家看到自己的優點",或是"在小組中都這樣以後出社會怎麼辦?"這一類的言論
有的時候天生的外表就讓人家沒自信了,主觀的東西
正妹要做10的努力,醜女就要做到50
這樣會給她一個錯誤觀念就是自己怎麼做都沒用,以後出社會真的抬不起頭來,很可憐耶~~
2010-02-28 @ 11:08
迴響 from: Joanne [訪問者]
To XD:
我也是料到一定會有人這麼講...
可是所謂的管理常常都有漏洞,而且管理學發展的同時社會制度也都一直在發展...
法律講究平等原則,社會學保障弱勢團體,可是管理學呢?還是繼續強調競爭...總是跟上述兩種社會科學背道而馳
雖然說要有熱情,可是一般人的熱情都是漸漸培養成的,並不是天生生下來就說"我愛數學!""我愛英文!""我愛與人溝通!"

做多少努力要給多少分數,
不如把互評制度改成一份問卷,
q1:你覺得誰誰的意見比較好?
q2:你覺得誰很努力?
這樣的問卷去參考比較好
這是我的想法啦~~雖然我也是個上課不敢發聲的阿宅
2010-02-28 @ 11:16
迴響 from: XD [訪問者]
>Joanne

兄弟,我認為雖然不認真的正妹會比不認真的阿宅高分,但是不覺得認真的阿宅分數會比認真的正妹在這種互評的分數裡差多少,你一開始的論點,不是源於要保障一個認真的學生,而是想保障不認真的阿宅。

至於先天條件下帶來的劣勢,ㄟ兜,我麻無法度啊,這堂課就是行銷嘛,難道你居於劣勢就不行銷了嗎,而行銷不僅僅在外部,也同時存在於內部呀。

另外談到方法的話我沒意見,只是我比較喜歡朱大那種血腥點的作法 \^^/
2010-02-28 @ 11:26
迴響 from: Joanne [訪問者]
To 樓上:
因為朱大要當10%啊,如果只是要過,那也就算了

如果一個很認真的阿宅(恐龍妹),很努力還是被當了,成績單上面大大的一個紅字,她會怎麼想?

"原來啊...原來我就是個廢物,我是最後10%"

他不曉得那是競爭機制下的產物

不然就是,要當之前先給予肯定再當,
學生都很好騙的~

而且我也沒有保障不認真的阿宅,
我覺得用問卷更好是因為:
問卷條列式問題讓人家有方向去思考
如果是問你打幾分,你完全會很主觀
可是如果有問卷,你會因為問題去思考那個方向
.

2010-02-28 @ 11:37
迴響 from: 七色之風 [訪問者]
*****
to Joanne

不認真的阿宅被打低分是正常的,

相貌姣好只是讓你的門檻降低一點,

認真阿宅可以給不認真正妹0分啊。

有人會在大逃殺中跟自己的分數開玩笑嗎?

我剛剛沒看很仔細啦,

分組的組員應該是自己選擇的吧?

那麼,

選到不太認真的人當組員就是自己的過失。

況且,

不認真的傢伙會選朱大的課嗎?

會當最後10%的人ㄟ,大逃殺ㄟ。

這個如果不是必修的學分的話,

不認真的人會選這堂課來給自己找麻煩嗎?
2010-02-28 @ 11:38
迴響 from: 朱厚宅 [訪問者]
*****
實踐的課不錯

另外我怎麼覺得標題寫的是反話?
2010-02-28 @ 11:39
迴響 from: Joanne [訪問者]
To 七色之風 :

我整理一下好了

大家一直都說我保障不認真的阿宅,

可是我明明沒有啊~~

既然要設制度,當然希望能夠達到幾近公平,

我想朱大也是這樣想的呀!

我只是為維護制度制定本意提出意見而已

分數是組員互評的

假設 組員五人abcde,就有五組分數

第一組:
正妹不認真甲一名,認真阿宅乙一名
權衡之下平均之下
甲分數>乙分數機率
假設30%好了(我覺得已經很客氣了)
第二組:
正妹認真丙一名,一樣認真阿宅丁一名
丙分數>丁分數 機率
我看是壓倒性的90%吧
第三組:
正妹不認真戊一名,一樣不認真阿宅己一名
戊分數>己分數 機率100%

第四組:
認真正妹庚一名,不認真阿宅辛...
這不用討論一定是100%啦


權衡起來正妹分數高於阿宅分數 機率 60%
超過一半,若阿宅因此高分被當

反正若能達到50%是最好的,就像經濟學一樣

不行的話幾近也可以

這樣這個制度才算是公平的


2.你說不認真的人會選嗎?

那請對照到第二組


如果朱大認為原來這樣最好,那我也是尊重個人教學風格,我只是中立提出客觀意見而已

因為我喜歡得是溫馨友情熱情,你幫我我幫你的上課風格,而不是大逃殺式的






(Lucifer:你模型有建錯啦~~~
2010-02-28 @ 12:05
迴響 from: 七色之風 [訪問者]
你說的很對啦,

如果組員只看臉給分數的話啦。

別忘了,分數有兩組,

當有人扯後腿的話,不管是正妹或是阿宅,

給人家打低分的機會不少啦。

況且,你不用贏過全部的人。

你只要贏過10%的人就好。

比如說,最低人數15人,

最多當2人。

以五人一組來看,

大概只有兩組會有人會被當。

如你所列出的例子來看,

大概就是不認真的阿宅兩名會遭殃,

再來是不認真正妹跟認真阿宅及認真正妹。

(如果只有阿宅正妹跟認真和不認真的區分的話)

如果一組裡面有人願意犧牲小我完成大我的話,

那就是閣下喜歡的"溫馨友情熱情"的戲碼上演。

開心吧?

2010-02-28 @ 13:08
迴響 from: shouri [訪問者]
課程很棒,不過我想提這件事很久了:
不是每個人的電腦都很棒,以後麻煩先把圖縮到1024*768以下再放上來好嗎......否則不但看不到,硬碟和風扇都會哀鳴個十分鐘......
2010-02-28 @ 13:27
迴響 from: 雞蛋碰石頭 [訪問者]
你不會自己被over掉吧?
系方該是喜歡選課人較多的老師
到時,你也只是他們市場上的籌碼

我認為開放旁聽是王道

(Lucifer:這是建立在我死也想開這堂課的前提上。但課不開我也不痛啊。
2010-02-28 @ 13:38
迴響 from: Cu [訪問者]
(Lucifer:我以前一直以為大家都很會簡報,所以根本沒在收集相關資料啊!這是這學期才體悟到的真相~~~原來大家都不太會簡報!)

沒蒐集啊,那可以這學期開始蒐集,增加一項學生作業:彙整你所用的簡報技巧(開始給你的可愛學生出餿主意XD)

朱大很忙這部分也不能強求,你為廣大宅民做了不少事(奉承),不過是真的希望可以看到一本介紹簡報技巧以及簡報錯誤的書,畢竟如你所說:以前一直以為大家都很會簡報。

實際上是,大家都以為簡報技巧沒什麼,投影片用用就好,但要講起誰認為自己簡報做的好的,沒幾個會大聲說:就是我啦。

也應該說,知道自己簡報技巧有待加強的人是大多數人,但是沒多少人願意正視,就像宴會上的缺點,大家都知道哪裡要改善,但當下大家都不願提起。

期待能夠看到你將改善學生的簡報技巧之過程,做為一篇文章讓宅民們可以學習。
2010-02-28 @ 13:53
迴響 from: GC [訪問者] · http://changhc2.blogspot.com
因為不知道朱老師打算要怎麼分組
所以我有一點小小的建議
以前我拿這種這種分組報告很重的課
我都希望教授可以在第三堂課再分組

大部分新拿一堂課的時候 認識的人都坐一起
自然而然分組的時候就變同一組了
可是有的時候跟你的組員當朋友會比拿朋友當組員要好多了
一兩堂課之後大概看的出來 誰是來上課的誰是來混的
這樣選組員的話也比較準
2010-02-28 @ 14:04
迴響 from: SEKI [訪問者]
簡報技巧喔 = =

說實話不太訝異
現在多數學生都有一個通病
-你沒教我不會是應該的
-你教了我不會照樣畢業

感覺很悲哀,唸到了學士卻不具備自我學習的能力。
2010-02-28 @ 14:49
迴響 from: 糸色代 [訪問者]
好正點的課前宣告!!

連評分方式也很有意思。 (雖然看起來有所漏洞,但那是運用人性與心理來達到不太有失公正的評比方式)。

什麼時候朱宅才機會會在醒吾技術學院開課勒? 若是能的話我個人是蠻希望能在夜四技結束前能有幸受教。
2010-02-28 @ 15:01
迴響 from: pig+red [訪問者]
好厲害的囚徒困境!!
2010-02-28 @ 15:06
迴響 from: 宅男飛雅特 [訪問者]
***--
朱小胖他老爸最近都不貼正妹照片了...
2010-02-28 @ 15:55
迴響 from: 朱恐龍 [成員]
要用機率(雖然我覺得不太適合)或是賽局理論推導這個給分方法的,請看一下這個課程的詳細命題:

第一、本課程只分成兩組。

第二、本課程評分是週週公開。(換句話說你可以逐漸看到自己往十分之一區邁進)

第三、請納入學生對分數和排名部分有學習能力的變數。

Lucifer

然後你再推導就知道了,就跟你說沒有問題的啦。
2010-02-28 @ 16:11
迴響 from: Jamie [訪問者] · http://mrjamie.cc
****-
很讚的內容,我也認為溝通技巧是台灣學生普遍最缺乏的,也是台灣教育系統普遍忽略的。(不過如果說 Reddit 是最大書籤網站,Digg 的創辦人 Kevin Rose 可能會很生氣哦!)

(Lucifer:就是要讓這兩個互相不太爽的人有互幹的機會啊哈哈哈哈~~~~他老兄上次上台就說自己比DIGG要有影響力科科科~~~
2010-02-28 @ 16:42
迴響 from: Alberto [訪問者]
可以把88水災阿宅貼紙當入場券嗎?

還是說把課程配上大圖放到oops上?
2010-02-28 @ 17:17
迴響 from: 福哥 [訪問者] · http://www.afu.tw
身為一個老師,我覺得這樣的給分方法(同儕評分)很贊吔(Randy 教授也這麼搞).

把這個評分機制學起來....^_^


P.S.也很想知道朱大怎麼教簡報呢..
2010-02-28 @ 19:40
迴響 from: 福哥 [訪問者] · http://www.afu.tw
對了,我曾經用 google Docs 中的問卷功能,作成同儕評分.這樣統計&輸入會比較快(當初是在電腦教室上課),不然可能分數會 Key 死.(可以請同學下課回家必填, 缺席者的評分由老師歸零)

提供給朱大參考^_^
2010-02-28 @ 19:44
迴響 from: 宅男哥 [訪問者]
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哇 第一次來

show girl圖有夠大張的

怎麼拍這麼清楚的阿
2010-02-28 @ 20:25
迴響 from: colin [訪問者]
小弟覺得前面討論到 阿宅跟正妹的差別
好像已經把前提變成 啊宅不能是正妹 阿宅不能長的帥
阿宅一定要長的醜之類的怪異前提

小弟認為外觀 常常只是需要花心思 時間或是金錢去處理
不是說整形之類的 只要挑一件好看的衣服 或是配合髮型等等
阿宅只是常常待在家裡 不喜歡社交或是戶外活動
但是還是可以注重打扮阿

而且朱大這堂課 講的是 市場行銷
請問 哪個成功的生意人或是生意相關的人員 不需要注重儀容的
或是不注重 人際關係跟有效的溝通或是社交行為

當然朱大的課程可能沒有包括 這一部分
但是像是去大直商圈商家溝通的部分 就是一個磨練的機會 或是檢驗自我是否能夠站到第一線或是跟企業夥伴成功合作的機會吧

anyawy 只是覺得 前面提到 個人外觀的部分
小弟覺得 如果真的有人學這種相關行業 卻對自己的外觀一點都不重視 似乎有點不合現實
2010-02-28 @ 20:47
迴響 from: Ben [訪問者]
我認為所謂的「失敗主義者」不過是自認為厲害的人鞏固自身地位的說詞。要怎麼當學生是你的自由,但把你自認為表現最後10%的人貼標籤為失敗主義者,這跟我把你當人看有什麼差別?

(Lucifer:我覺得可以貼一個閱讀能力差又愛貼文者的標籤給你,哈哈哈~~~)

朱學恆你的回覆正好應證了我的說法。沒想到你連我的回文都看不懂,可惜阿~

(Lucifer:哈欠,這年頭到處都有這種文章都看不懂覺得很驕傲的小棒友來留言,這已經不是失敗主義者了吧,這是文盲還要呵呵笑啊。
2010-02-28 @ 21:17
迴響 from: Ben [訪問者]
喔對了學恆,不知道誰比較愛貼文哦?揪咪~

Lucifer:好歹提升一下等級,不要讓我一回文就覺得在逗弄小動物啊~~~咯唧咯唧真可愛~~~
2010-02-28 @ 21:19
迴響 from: rammstein [訪問者]
給你 衷心的拍拍手
不過要怎樣依營業額決定分數? 如果是比營業金額大者為勝的話 那去幫仲介或預售代銷 堵到一個就大贏 賭不到好像也就沒實際實作意義了

Lucifer:吃飯的餐廳怎麼去堵仲介啦~~~
2010-02-28 @ 22:26
迴響 from: Keith Lin [訪問者]
囚犯理論? 模型推導? 你真的懂這東西 那你應該知道他有個前提䞭是理性思考 這東西最怕的就是遇到白爛賤人 而很遺憾的就是 認真的學生就是會遇到白爛賤人
另外 囚犯理論是要足夠多回才有辦法出現合理結果 請問你是要讓一個正常的學生重修幾次? 不然哪來的所謂模型?
不要不懂裝懂好嗎 你覺得你在做偉大的實驗 犧牲的是誰???
另外 你最前面提到的沒有填好詳細資料的單位根本不會出現你的行程表上 這跟你之前想的那麼多文章根本就完全的不搭呀 你不是一直強調有多少單位放了你鴿子或是根本沒人來 你是都在劣幣驅逐良幣嗎? 還是越會出狀況的單位填寫越認真?
還有 別再跟九把刀互相串連好嗎 部落客彼此串連的感覺很噁心 你知道你當初挺他的什麼抄襲事件有多白痴嗎 我想你應該沒看過多少他的書 不然就是沒看過幾篇別的小說漫畫 更沒看過你批評的抄襲者 不然你很輕易的就會發現九把刀的原創性真是有夠低 他的確會講故事 但是創意幾乎都是抄的 不是抄的部份就是邏輯有問題的部份 我不怪他抄襲 畢竟原創很難 但是他連沒有原創性的小說都敢說別人抄襲他 我就真的很佩服他 我也曾經因為你的文章而相信他 而想唾棄那些評審 直到我真的認真看完了幾十本他的書之後 我很確定 你們就是噁心的互相串連而已 沒有是非 只是網路霸凌 真的很糟糕

(Lucifer:為什麼~~~現在這種等級的留言增加了~~~為什麼~~~John Nash會哭倒在地啊~~~~

還有你看九把刀那麼多本書幹嘛?浪費人生,叫九把刀去吃屎吧。多看李杯杯的書好不好!


2010-02-28 @ 22:28
迴響 from: moonpool [訪問者]
For Ben:
你的盲點在於,對於失敗主義者這詞,你一直執著於你自己的解釋,這點由你的發文中"我認為所謂的「失敗主義者」...."這句話可以證明。
但是!朱學恆的文章中"失敗主義者"並不是你自己所認為的那個意思,這點在BBB的回文中已經很明確的指出來了,BBB也很清楚的解釋朱學恆的失敗主義者意思為何....
為什麼你還是用自己的解釋來強套在朱學恆所寫的文章中,為什麼怎麼你還是看不懂呢...?
默默的承認自己會錯意有這麼難嗎...???

我似乎太認真了......
2010-02-28 @ 22:34
迴響 from: shadow [訪問者]
正妹跟恐龍 帥哥跟宅男?
互評也只佔了其中的一部分
宅男恐龍還是可以從另外的部分爭取分數不是嗎

團體分數+互評+老師
套用到職場上
不正是工作能力+人際關係+老闆考核?

只是這種互評方式蠻有意思的
耐人尋味啊....(人性的醜陋與光輝?)

怎朱大有些回答我都看不懂
看來我還是太嫩了......
2010-02-28 @ 22:45
迴響 from: rammstein [訪問者]
接下來一直到學期末,分成兩組的你們只有一個最大的實作報告,就是請找到大直商圈一家店,說服店家讓你們協助他們,不管是進行推廣、協助宣傳都好,總之你們要找到兩家店,在不同的兩個週二中午十二點到兩點左右營業,這兩小時的營業額將會決定哪一組是勝利的組別。

俺的腦袋是推得出 中午十二點到兩點左右營業
可能選飲食或超商 可是俺的眼睛沒看到 限定是 吃飯的餐廳 啦!!!
2010-02-28 @ 22:53
迴響 from: 卡司 [訪問者]
說實在
那位ben小弟弟的留言讓了看了很火大............
我看他根本沒搞懂"失敗者"跟失敗主義者的差別
朱大
不要跟那種文盲一般見識!!!
有這種為反對而反對 又自以為很有想法的黏巴蟲
真的很噁心.........
話說到本校的演講很期待啊
希望哪天你的宿敵刀大也能來啊
2010-02-28 @ 23:18
迴響 from: BBB [訪問者]
>Ben [訪問者]
>我認為所謂的「失敗主義者」不過是自認為厲害的人鞏固自身地位的說詞。要怎麼當學生是你的自由,但把你自認為表現最後10%的人貼標籤為失敗主義者,這跟我把你當人看有什麼差別?

我很少重複發言,因為通常看的人一次就懂

回頭看看Lucifer文章中唯一提到失敗主義者的一段話

"老子幹嘛要浪費時間跟感情跟那些想也不想,根本不敢冒險,就認為自己是團隊最後百分之十的失敗主義者周旋?"

看來Lucifer所指的失敗主義者是因為害怕必當10%而不選這門課的人
而並不認為被當的10%是失敗主義者

另外Lucifer引用Jack Welch的20-70-10法則
也很表示Lucifer對於10%的看法
2010-02-28 @ 23:28
迴響 from: 弱雞 [訪問者]
主題明明是媒體市場學,怎麼不是在討論宅男跟正妹,不然就是評分制度。

而且會留言的都是不會或不能選這門課。
2010-02-28 @ 23:38
迴響 from: 實踐校友 [訪問者]
****-
這門課決對可以順利開成的
根據[實踐大學全校課程表查詢系統]查詢結果
該科已有18人選修
畢竟這門課:限設計學院學生選修
對於被當如家常便飯(= =)的設計系學生來說, 必當10% = 只會當10%
比起其他老師開的課已經算很好了啦.........
2010-02-28 @ 23:42
迴響 from: 綜合水果汁武士 [訪問者]
說實話,

選修的課被當又如何。
2010-02-28 @ 23:50
迴響 from: rammstein [訪問者]
俺倒覺得 作為老師
沒有權力或義務提醒學生這個世界多殘酷
因為每個人對殘酷的定義與忍受力不同
自然不見得都學到甚麼

老師的教學是 學生繳錢所換得的商品
學生對商品期望當然是1 漂亮成績 2 職場技能
老師的勞務是教學以換得學生具備一般認知的能力
而成績單則是技能的量化數據
當然前提是 學生能配合老師教學服務所應備的條件
因此保障商品瑕疵責任不全歸咎於教師

好比說 俺法文80分 朱爸50分
代表是俺去巴黎比朱爸少被瞪白眼的機率
但法文80分不保證俺能泡到法國妞
因為這不是課程目的 俺也還要夠帥才行
而朱爸法文被當
50分只代表1 他法文比我差 2朱爸不具備法文基本溝通能力
幹 朱爸不去法國就好啦 肚皮不會少圈肉

相反的 預設10%學生會被當 就是說
一種商品出貨時有10%的不良率 是跟消費者使用無關
幹 這不叫黑心商品叫甚麼?!
就是像朱爸轉去修日文 結果同班十個同學九個是日本人 朱爸為了當秋葉原之王一生懸命還是殘念啦

朱爸的暴力往往立意良善 不過學生沒有捨命吃河豚的義務 不是嗎?
2010-03-01 @ 00:10
迴響 from: BBB [訪問者]
>rammstein
>因為每個人對殘酷的定義與忍受力不同
每個人都不一樣?
阿是有多不一樣?

全世界有60多億人耶!
阿是有60多億殘酷的定義喔?

你又是怎麼知道每個人對殘酷的定義不同?
數出來的嗎?拜託你數給我看好不好
"每個人對XX的定義不同"這種話你也可以講得如此斬釘截鐵
有沒有這麼厲害阿
2010-03-01 @ 00:18
迴響 from: Zs [訪問者]
>rammstein
作為老師,他如果不提醒學生這世界有多現實跟殘酷,那麼這個老師實在太殘酷了

至於教學商品化這部份...嘛,你是去學校還是學店啊-.-?
2010-03-01 @ 00:32
迴響 from: Ben [訪問者]
喔對了學恆,不知道誰比較愛貼文哦?揪咪~

(Lucifer:好歹提升一下等級,不要讓我一回文就覺得在逗弄小動物啊~~~咯唧咯唧真可愛~~~)

學恆你的回覆也都只是更肯定了我所說的話。
自以為是的朱學恆,開心的做你的自我感覺良好夢吧。

說真的你比我想像還要可愛呢^^

(Lucifer:我本來就很可愛啊~~~(扭))
2010-03-01 @ 00:36
迴響 from: Ben [訪問者]
說正經的也很可悲,學恆的回應讓我覺得好像在跟一個自大的小學生對話。

你要怎麼貶損我都無所謂,我也不會因為你嘴賤而否定你的看法,反正我只要達到提醒的目的就夠了。

(Lucifer:小棒友志向蠻大的~~~咕唧咕唧好可愛啊~~~
2010-03-01 @ 00:45
迴響 from: 七色之風 [訪問者]
想要漂亮成績就別選這堂課!

這堂課打混的人很有可能會被當,

而你努力跟修正自己的行徑就會得到成果。

殘酷嗎?

對於打混的人以及認為大學是任你玩四年的人

的確是很殘酷。

因為朱大告訴你,努力認真不一定會有好成績,

但是,不努力的人很有可能會是那個10%。

"朱爸的暴力往往立意良善 不過學生沒有捨命吃河豚的義務 不是嗎?"

沒錯啊,你可以選擇不吃河豚啊。

沒人拿槍指著你的頭逼你選這堂課啊。
2010-03-01 @ 00:46
迴響 from: leeheng [訪問者]
搞不好...你滿有當老師的天份的...
2010-03-01 @ 01:05
迴響 from: Beelzebub [訪問者]
*****
很有意思的課
戰意很濃XD

如果我是實踐的學生
應該會抱著當掉就算了的心態去上課吧
畢竟學習也不竟然都是為了學分
可以學到實際的技巧比較重要~~~
2010-03-01 @ 01:12
迴響 from: 宅心人厚 [訪問者]
天呀!禁止旁聽!我還想要找機會混進去耶...

用賽局理論打分數這麼狠...
每週公布分數是最狠的做法,

以前我怎魔沒遇見這麼有挑戰的課程啦~~
出社會的人為什麼就阻止我們進修的機會啦~~


但是這種評量法評不出魯夫的能力ㄋㄟ...

2010-03-01 @ 01:26
迴響 from: 諾克斯 [訪問者]
我真的更加痛恨了早生好幾年的現況....開始研究復學設計系的可能性
另外,有挑戰性的課程,才能測試自己的能耐不是嗎!
而且遊戲規則一開始就說明的如此清楚,看不懂還要怪別人就太遜了
難道文盲會因為看不懂法律條文,犯法不會被判刑嗎
2010-03-01 @ 01:37
迴響 from: 打狗小哥 [訪問者]
現在才看到又這樣的課程~連要報名學測都來不及~現在就怕朱大以後不再實踐教書~這樣就浪費了~我們大學時期也沒學這個阿~能不能就來聽那5堂簡報的課就好~
2010-03-01 @ 03:58
迴響 from: 迪歐 [訪問者]
現在人管那麼多喔~~
老師要開課~~規則當然是他定~~
一直在那邊說互評不好還是必當10%不好~
覺得不好可以不要修阿= =
2010-03-01 @ 04:05
迴響 from: 哞 [訪問者]
朱大乾脆開補習班吧:P
2010-03-01 @ 04:06
迴響 from: 不起眼的_Jian [訪問者]
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請找到大直商圈一家店,說服店家讓你們協助他們,不管是進行推廣、協助宣傳都好,總之你們要找到兩家店,在不同的兩個週二中午十二點到兩點左右營業,這兩小時的營業額將會決定哪一組是勝利的組別。


宣傳是影響「銷售額高低」,而不是「決定總營業額」吧?
用某個時間點的營業額看宣傳效果,似乎不太對題。
是否應該比較,當下市場趨勢、環境,以及過去營業狀況而定,比較能看出宣傳效果。
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第一組分數,.....都是全組統一的分數。
第二組分數,則是每一堂課下課前,你要給該組所有人除了你以外的評分。
所以你就不需要再抱怨什麼同組同學不努力、報告不認真卻拿同樣分數了!不會的,因為你可以給他很低分哈哈!


既然第一組分數是一樣的,第二組分數如果差不多,怎麼會不一樣?
這方式在激勵彼此站的住腳,但對造成相異分數,似乎不太可能。
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至於實戰派理論....
沒道理因為另一個方式比較殘酷,另一個方式就不殘酷的邏輯。
只有A跟B誰比較殘酷的差別,或者A或是B根本不殘酷。
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不過我們上課十分鐘之內,就會發下當週的各組自評分數單,晚來就拿不到,也不用拿了。

當週如果你沒交評分單,就代表你放棄評分權利,決定給同組的每一個同學零分


既然可以愛來不來,又何必已變相方式來評分出缺勤?
就像老闆說,我不重視出缺勤,愛來不來隨你只要工作做完就好,只是公司有打卡制度,太差會扣薪水。
員工怎麼相信你「不重視出缺勤」!?
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公司選材經過考試、篩選、背景評估而選材。
學校教育經過考試、篩選、表現評估而選材。

看似相同行為,所以你們所要的人才應該是相同的?這是錯誤觀念,因為基本訴求不同阿。

公司是要能力符合之中,選擇適合公司發展的人才。

學校教育則是在不確定是否有能力之中,與學習者磨合(教學相長),讓人有能力阿。
評估成績則是是個人因素差異而不同(類似宣傳效果的重點一樣),因此重心應擺在如何評估個人學習狀況而非整體排名。

肯定會當10%,就已經說明,來的人有10%能力不足,跟社會競爭不同,社會淘汰的不是能力問題,而是適性。
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此制度若想強調,努力有90%合格率,但重心卻一直擺在,如何抓出10%不合格者,2者邏輯是不同的。
既然制度會造就10%能力不足的人,以及90%會過(但不代表能力充足的假象),何必強制將不願來的人冠上「承擔不了壓力和認為自己就是墊底的百分之十的人,本來就不該來上這門課!」類似草莓族的言論咧!?


(Lucifer:團隊運作本來就是這樣。我這門課是業界教師開的課,誰給你注重教育啊,制度跟社會一樣,你學不會是你家的事~~~誰開公司還他媽注重輔導親切哩~~~怕被當不想選難道還要親一下表達鼓勵喔~~~囧。
2010-03-01 @ 06:32
迴響 from: 767 [訪問者]
光10%&互評,可能還是會有破綻...
(詳見詐欺遊戲....)
(自我犧牲不算破關...)
不過,如果他們可以看出破綻,應該就夠資格獲得及格的分數啦....
2010-03-01 @ 08:47
迴響 from: 閃彈人 [訪問者]
~~自我犧牲
讓我想到"風聲"這電影中的老鬼和老槍


革命啊:)))

實作的成績用錢就可破關惹??


(Lucifer:嘿嘿,規則中沒說禁止的就是可以做喔。
2010-03-01 @ 09:37
迴響 from: 閃彈人 [訪問者]
那>

想旁聽的就可以參加實作呗
2010-03-01 @ 09:53
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/baabuu
*****
***
閱畢~~
2010-03-01 @ 10:04
迴響 from: 阿威 [訪問者]
除非記住所有的學生,否則不記錄出缺席怎麼知道有沒有人來混旁聽?

相互評分的問題上面已經有人說了,當有學生誠實以對,有學生投機取巧,那才是維持公平性最大的問題。囚犯的兩難只是個理想模型,模型裡的囚犯都一樣的聰明(或笨),可是換做現實的學生可不是這樣。除非你開誠布公解釋對學生清楚怎麼做對他們才最有利,否則吃虧的可能是真正努力的學生。

(Lucifer:傻孩子評分要署名啊......。真正努力的學生如果在這個課上吃虧,他畢業之後上班也是一樣吃虧的。
2010-03-01 @ 10:10
迴響 from: 益丞 [訪問者]
其實..學習跟其他不長進的同學相處。
也是非常重要的。
互相評分的機制到底有沒有人投機我覺得還算其次了..

這點就算是以後出來工作也是一樣。總是有害群之馬的存在不是?
2010-03-01 @ 10:54
迴響 from: 踏雪尋梅 [訪問者]
靠,這種刺激的課程怎麼沒早十年開。
朱大,真的不歡迎旁聽?
教簡報的課程對社會青年/中年也很有幫助啊。
2010-03-01 @ 11:05
迴響 from: CHIEH [訪問者] Email · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
瑪的 我好想修這門課啊~~~


就算被朱豪宅當了我也不會有怨言
(因為很顯然長州小力的塊頭比我大= =)




有機會在OOPS看到這門課嘛XD?
2010-03-01 @ 11:11
迴響 from: CHIEH [訪問者] Email · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/csit58903203
TO BEN

小弟來假設一下你的觀點
*被擋掉就算是失敗
*被開除就算是失敗
*沒辦法順利完成學業就算是失敗
*被許多人討厭算是失敗

那小弟真的是失敗者

因為我常常為了職儀講太上那個老頭的觀點,被當

因為我常常因為跟老闆理念不同,把自己開除掉

因為我的學業已經慢同儕相當多

因為我嘴很賤,很愛去戳破別人的自我感覺良好

但是我已經準備跟夥伴一起創業
(雖然還是欠朱豪宅很多錢)

但是相較於許多人來說我的人生有著大喜大悲

也經歷過不少同齡的人沒經歷過的鳥事

你覺得哪樣才叫做失敗?
2010-03-01 @ 11:23
迴響 from: rammstein [訪問者]
看起來這裡真是鄉民批發中心啊
似乎很多人缺乏基本哲學認知
就算各位的大學是不用花錢就能唸的
教育依舊是商品 這就是後現代社會
我想諸位鄉民今生不須面對
一學分賣腎臟都買不起
或成績單不夠漂亮就喪失申請博士 居留
甚至基本生活保障的景況
台灣真是寶島啊

當朱爸作為教師的權力位置 他當然可以自訂遊戲規則
但 大逃殺式的教育為何在現實社會不可行
就是 教育不需要 也不期待訓練出人上人
竊以為大學就是訓練 作為雜魚應有的認知與作為
在大學固然是培養理想主義的唯一機會 但理想主義往往需要一定時間平庸經驗的磨合

"學習跟其他不長進的同學相處。
也是非常重要的。"
俺非常認同
2010-03-01 @ 11:32
迴響 from: 夏夜 [訪問者]
***--
分數這種東西...在不自感覺良好的情況下
還是自己打的分數比較實在!

別人打的拿來參考一下就好唄~

學了多少? 自己最清楚~
2010-03-01 @ 11:41
迴響 from: rammstein [訪問者]
不過話說回來 除了俺認為實作經驗俺認為在執行上有欠斟酌
這麼犯賤的課在別的國家可是用實踐學分費一百倍都上不到
光是對價關係俺就覺得值得上
(這也是囚徒困境啊....)

幹 白癡才在台灣唸私立大學 白癡才花幾十倍的錢離開台灣唸大學
2010-03-01 @ 11:42
迴響 from: Zachary [訪問者]
選啦!!

不用看 這麼好的 教學 怎麼不選
規矩 清清楚楚 最讚啦!!
即便 努力的中間過程 充滿困難.
被罵 被念 被人輕視.
最後拿到第一名的還是我們啦^^
最喜歡這種老師.而非死板板的
(以上發話僅代表出我們以前求學時的相同經驗)
去哪裡發表 都被嫌 都被念.唯獨我們這一組的頭頭(就是我本人- -)從來不鳥 老師批評
有建設性的 一律接受.屁話的.耍屌的.的一律不甩他,最後當然就...第一名啦^0^
簡報就不用教學了....以前我們報簡報.教授都要在旁邊學習啦!! 少在那邊唬學生(教學相長)
最後教授說:學校只是帶你入門.
我心中的OS:廢話!! 修行本來就是看個人
2010-03-01 @ 12:01
迴響 from: Matt [訪問者]
看完......的確是很有意思的課程設計哩~~

不過......只當10%人......這是大學課程的限制哩。
就我所知的香港社會, 被當率可是90%的說......而且, 決定有沒有被當的, 單純是家世出身, 這可不能被課程設計模擬出來哩
(我正是被當的一個)
2010-03-01 @ 12:11
迴響 from: 小V [訪問者]
師傅領進門,修行在個人
畢竟出社會和在學校不一樣,在學校被當還有重修的機會
可是出社會被辭職就真的要換頭路了。

我倒覺得朱大說得不錯,畢竟沒有那必當10%,說真的我也不相信大家都會很努力XD

不過普遍來說現在學生的簡報程度真的很低,我學簡報課程真的學到很多。
2010-03-01 @ 12:39
迴響 from: rx79 [訪問者]
很有趣的課程設計
請問一下,期末測驗看銷售額(賣多少)還是銷售差額(宣傳後增加多少)?
其實這個選店跟說服業主會決定勝負的難易度,充分顯示職場廝殺的真實面貌。
光餐廳就要計算中午平均銷售額X顧客周轉率,而大店難談,小店銷售額低,這個傻傻作可是會死得很難看的。很厲害的課程設計
(有後台能不能用?比如我爸爸室大飯店總經理之類的?)

2010-03-01 @ 13:04
迴響 from: 張耗子 [訪問者] Email
朱宅果然是開課的遊戲規則都跟一般學校不同。亂好玩的!

看到一些人對當人機制感到不滿,我只是覺得那百分之十不十的當人機制只是晃子。今天就算朱宅訂成百分之九十也沒差。我真的不覺得當率是重點。

面對這種遊戲,重點不要放在怎麼不被當,應該放在如何成為out standing。

講難聽一點,今天就算沒有朱宅搞的像詐欺遊戲的的當人遊戲這一套,事實上還是會又當率存在呀。(我以前讀書時也遇過當率30%,怎麼樣就是要刷後段班的老師)

也當然就看到有用功的人就這樣被當了,但那又怎樣?

我上班上一上也很有可能因為我長得比主管帥就被fire呀。

這種像是後面有大球滾在後面要壓死人的遊戲,唯一活下來的方法就是,讓自己成為第一名。

早點在課堂上感受到這種不是你死就是我活的日子也不錯!
2010-03-01 @ 13:06
迴響 from: Ca.chet [訪問者]
可以幫商圈實作很棒......
"瞭解市場當然要從觀察和實作開始!"

假如我是選修學生會把這設定為最終目標,理論能應用在生活中誰還管你是不是那百分之十被當生^^

我用某某方式幫助某店家營業額提升了多少啪,聽起來就是會讓人讚賞的賞心悅目的特質呀
2010-03-01 @ 13:30
迴響 from: u2 [訪問者]
把內行人雞排的顧客先慢慢挖過去
(我認真了.....orz)
2010-03-01 @ 13:40
*****
身為一個社會新鮮人
基於一個在職場上用了五年還很新鮮的肝

我真他媽的這輩子沒這麼好命遇到這麼棒的老師開了他媽這麼棒的課程!!

那些拷貝考母的回文者
請問你們是小弟弟嗎?有在公司上過班嗎?

這個課程的理論,是在真正的教導你
"這才叫真他媽的現實社會啊!!"

評分不標準不公平嗎?
肏,你怎麼不去跟這世界上的企業都說
"你們真他媽的不公平?"

回家種田好了啊,上什麼網回麼文啊?
一群腦子燒壞沒見過世面的白痴!!

(Lucifer:哇!超激動!
2010-03-01 @ 16:11
迴響 from: 歐巴桑瑪姬 [訪問者]
好酷的課~!!可惜老人家如我畢業幾百年了, 不然選來修修看, 當作game也應該很有意思~!!
2010-03-01 @ 16:52
迴響 from: 歐巴桑瑪姬 [訪問者]
TO Mirror,
這才是社會的現實啊~~
2010-03-01 @ 16:54
迴響 from: 傻不拉多爸 [訪問者]
*****
記得三字經有一段是一個壞人要被處死了,臨死前的願望是含他老母的奶,但他把老母的布袋頭咬掉了,因為他媽沒教好他。我看到朱宅願意花那麼多心思在一群根本沒血緣沒利害關係的人身上教育、督促。我只有學著一樣幫人助人。此外有人唱反調,所抱持基本的論調就是學店,我認同學店,但我想買的是我認為是好品質的東西啊,今天你賣的只有學分,你進學店的目的只有文憑,那就選這種店家。我要的是實戰經驗要的是我真的能讓店家營業額提升,有人願意教,有人提供場所,有志同道合的人可以切磋,這上哪找啊?
你不上就別上啊,你的一生就他媽的只有戰,我也很高興看啊,但戰的有水準一點啊,多花一點心思啊。搞破壞要真的破壞啊,你現在破壞什麼了,你只有自取其辱,給人當笑話,看你戰的這麼可憐,我都冷了。
我一個朋友當廚師,除了屁股沒給他師傅以外,嫖賭飲吹樣樣想盡辦法提供給師傅,要灌醉師傅為的就是套話,為的就是那一手絕活,現在有人願意教還說人不好,一邊罵一邊說會接受對方的意見,你是精神分裂還是一篇文章幾個人一起打啊。
2010-03-01 @ 16:57
迴響 from: 白木宅男 [訪問者]
這是基於付錢就是大爺的消費主義作粹嗎? 我付錢的也不是大撚曬嗎? 這是我看完上面回覆的結論!
2010-03-01 @ 18:46
迴響 from: 益丞 [訪問者]
假設所有科目的教授都這樣做..
我想到最後..
認真的人應該會匯集在一起,然後互相掩護..
你負責A科目,我負責B科目這樣

然後也會有另一種死亡之組,擺爛狀態..
大家一起墮落,接受最後的審判= ="
2010-03-01 @ 18:48
迴響 from: Joanne [訪問者]
我之前的模型匆忙寫寫,可能會引人誤會
那個abcde五組分數是給七色之風看的,是對應到七色之風說阿宅可以給正妹低分,是要表明說,有五個分數,正妹起碼得4,阿宅得1
跟下面的分組沒有關係...
下面是情況分解,其實下面也不用分組啦,反正正妹一定勝就對了,除非超混
2010-03-01 @ 21:54
迴響 from: 大叮噹 [訪問者]
若有機會
真想選這堂課試試自己

不過朱大您開這堂課,立下這種評分標準
應該會受到不少壓力吧.

之前聽過助教爆料
小弟學校的某系某位老師,因為評分太過公正
在必修課當了不少混水摸魚、分數不及格的學生

被系主任叫去辦公室關切
最後回研究室哭

結果認真教學的老師沒有好下場
和稀泥,送學分給學生的老師比較安全...

真他媽的荒唐

學生上大學不是花錢買學分,本來就是來學習的
老師沒有那個義務一定要讓學生過

況且朱大這堂課看起來是選修
立下這種評分標準沒什麼刁難的

(Lucifer:我又不是專任,沒有研究室可以回去哭啊。
2010-03-01 @ 22:23
迴響 from: 七色之風 [訪問者]
to Joanne

意思是你用匆忙作出的模型來反駁我?

"正妹起碼得4,阿宅得1"

這只有建立在只有阿宅跟正妹兩種學生的情況。

基本上很混的阿宅鐵定是死第一個,

最後死是認真的正妹這點我不否認。

但是你要當很混的阿宅還是認真的阿宅?

而這場大逃殺只會淘汰10%的人。

你有看過一個笑話嗎?

阿九天天練習跑步,愈跑也愈快、愈久

;小元則從來不運動,當然也就跑得很慢。

有一天,兩人一起去非洲露營。

早上起來,發現帳篷外有一隻獅子,虎視耽耽(應該是獅視耽耽?)。

阿九就換上體育服、運動鞋,準備逃跑。

小元對阿九說:「你不用準備跑了,你跑得再快
,也跑不過獅子的。」

阿九回答說:「我不用跑得比獅子快,我只要跑得比你快就可以了。」
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你不用跑第一,

你別當最後10%就好。

更何況,這堂課就算被當掉也上的很值得。

因為,朱大會教你如何行銷自己的東西。
2010-03-01 @ 22:25
迴響 from: vivin [訪問者]
必當10%聽起來還蠻機掰的

不過其實50個人修也只當5個啊

跟我們系上的課吃飽沒事就當三分之一來比算很輕鬆的課了,而且聽起來很有趣


而且大家都被10%嚇傻啦

其實是可以讓大家都幸福的

分數有兩個,一個是整組的分數,這個你一定跟50%的人一樣

接下來只要大家都有來拿評分表把同組的人都打一樣高的分數

就只會有兩種分數:前50%&後50%
這樣朱大當10%是要當誰啊.....後面50%全部一起當掉嗎?

所以要修這門課的人只要確保組員不互婊就好啦
2010-03-02 @ 00:59
迴響 from: 大豬豬 [訪問者]
看到很多網友的回復,讓我想到以前一個往事~~

還記得大學以前有個壞習慣,就是不喜歡看說明書,就自己隨便亂試,雖然會有意外發現的驚喜,但除了一時的快感,反而浪費時間和精力在人家本來就告訴你的事情。

我也要好好再加強閱讀能力了,免得再犯以前的錯誤。

PS:朱大,您的上課內容以後可以再網站上看到嗎?
2010-03-02 @ 02:24
迴響 from: lanman [訪問者]
*****
"......根本不敢冒險,就認為自己是團隊最後百分之十的失敗主義者...."

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不知有沒有人和我一樣,被朱大的這句話給感動!
年輕時候,好像沒有人提醒過我們,要如此激發自己該擁有的勇氣阿!

[推]簡報放到開放式課程去啦!我也想偷學啦~
2010-03-02 @ 03:29
迴響 from: 拜託~你有百分之90的機會過~還不滿足嗎?? [訪問者]
我覺得怎麼一堆人回文都在針對那百分之十勒??
都在說是為了公平或是一堆有的沒的理由!!
只有10%而已,是在擔心什麼!!
都這麼沒種,害怕自己有可能是那10%!
卻還冠冕堂皇的說,我只是擔心那10%的人會怎樣怎樣的!!
靠!如果是打混的人,被當也是心裡有數不用你瞎操心。如果很認真還被當,也只能說大家都太強了。但這樣被當的,也不需要你擔心因為他還是很強。
2010-03-02 @ 13:16
迴響 from: flyking [訪問者]
選了課就是要對自己負責,何必在乎老師要當多少人呢?暗
2010-03-02 @ 16:50
迴響 from: 小小 [訪問者]
*****
哈~
我們公司就是用原理相似的
所謂"360度互評考核系統"決定每個人的考績以至於年終獎金基數啊!
依表現跟貢獻度不同,一樣會有部門基數跟個人基數,相乘後乘以月薪就是你的年終了,這才刺激又殘酷吧~
當然最後出現了很多令人嘩然的案例結果,但能說什麼呢~這就是現實社會!!!

朱大幹得好,是該讓學生們早點進入大逃殺模式,個人覺得如果真的非常努力認真但仍因機制被當,反而之後要是津津樂道的話題與回憶才是!因為真的是很難得的經驗,反正是選修,重點在學到什麼東西~

我自己出社會後大概五年時間,才領悟職場奧義,當上頭說了做了什麼卻突然可看穿背後精神其實不是這樣的那個當下,突然間感到"啊~原來我已不再單純"唉@@
可惜已不是大學生~不然真的很想修這門課!!!

還有簡報技巧~對每個人都很實用呢!不過實在要說這有時跟表演一樣,一半靠內容一半是靠表達技巧,天份跟個人魅力很重要!
2010-03-02 @ 17:20
迴響 from: 幻影思念 [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/ilovehorn
*****
李隆獻老師也是我的恩師阿
小說學真是太經典了

出社會後
看到有人靠杯10% 真想笑阿
什麼時候你的人生是用分數來衡量的了
有沒有學到教訓才是重點不是嗎

不要假裝大愛說三小會傷害別人幼小的心靈這種屁話了
幹不爽不要修阿

如果我是學生 這門課當90%我也會去
2010-03-02 @ 17:23
迴響 from: Janin [訪問者]
先說沒開放旁聽,就是一種行銷.....(禁書人人想聞香)
看完這篇剛開始也會進入質疑規則公平性跟想找出不合理之處的迴圈。
但是隨則眾多回文者及朱大的覆文增加,不自覺得有種大逃殺的Feel,在已公告的規則裡,激發自己及小組的念與行,規則沒說不可以的話,你還怕朱大咬你嗎?!
如果你誓必要拿到這兩學分,我想一點都不難,可是考量能不能兼顧其他門課,有人誓在All Pass,也有只願低空漂過,那就不一定了.....
建議修這門課的同學在規則允許內盡情衝撞朱大吧! (實際撞應該很難....) 用你的詭計突圍吧!
還是建議小小開放聞香啦,這樣的話可以在看正妹的時候,順便繞過去看看啦~~
2010-03-02 @ 17:27
迴響 from: Mirror [訪問者]
TO 歐巴桑瑪姬 :
是的~這才是現實的社會啊~
~~waive~~


To 小小 :
原來我現在領悟職場的奧義並不算太慢啊
XD


To 幻影思念 :
"當90%我也要去修" +1
不過就是個選修嘛~

大學生有多少時間可以選修
騙誰沒唸過啊?兩個學分會影響你什麼?
笑話!!

與其說他們不敢面對挑戰
還不如說他們是不敢正視自己的軟弱

通通都派到非洲當鴕鳥就好啦
屁股翹高高的給土人看不是很好?


~一群社會人士想上都沒得上的怨念~
2010-03-02 @ 19:35
迴響 from: Cu [訪問者]
通通都派到非洲當鴕鳥就好啦
屁股翹高高的給土人看不是很好?


~一群社會人士想上都沒得上的怨念~
----------------------------------------
幹...的太好了
的確是社會人的怨唸

他媽...媽的金玉良言就是社會很競爭
社會打滾過的不怕當那10%
怕的是連那100%集成的的俱樂部都進不去

真是一群沒用的學生
2010-03-02 @ 19:56
迴響 from: Cu [訪問者]
通通都派到非洲當鴕鳥就好啦
屁股翹高高的給土人看不是很好?


~一群社會人士想上都沒得上的怨念~
----------------------------------------
幹...的太好了
的確是社會人的怨唸

他媽...媽的金玉良言就是社會很競爭
社會打滾過的不怕當那10%
怕的是連那100%集成的的俱樂部都進不去

真是一群沒用的學生
2010-03-02 @ 19:57
迴響 from: Eric [訪問者]
=..= 有沒有實踐的學生? 舉手一下。

只當後面10%.....會不會太少了? 朱大是不是已考量學實力,才只取10%?!
2010-03-02 @ 20:31
迴響 from: 綜合水果汁武士 [訪問者]
*****
  看到這裡不曉得朱SIR是否願意為這堂課多做一些後續報導?(秉持開放式課程的精神?)一個人在網路上晃晃,總希望能有些好處可撿,但靜下心來就覺得做這種要求是種過分而自私奢望。(離開校園久矣,沒有多餘的錢&時間去進修,學英文時開放式課程中文化網站所提供的資源已使敝人受益匪淺。)

  感恩。<=很抱歉這兩個字只能如此這般廉價地敲出來,特別是明日準備給基金會的新年紅包,實在不是什麼了不起的數目啊...

   2010 03 02

Lucifer:要看時間,開課已經很累了說~~~
2010-03-02 @ 21:42
迴響 from: arctic [訪問者]
*****
這互評制度有特級廚師最終考試的錯覺XD
2010-03-03 @ 03:01
迴響 from: 實踐校友 [訪問者]
TO:from: Eric [訪問者]
=..= 有沒有實踐的學生? 舉手一下。

只當後面10%.....會不會太少了? 朱大是不是已考量學實力,才只取10%?!
-------------------------------------

我前面也留言過...大概第7x則
雖然我當年不是朱大開課的媒傳系, 但唸的也是設計學院之一
才當10%而已, 真的不算什麼, 不知道為什麼大家反應那麼大, 是否經常出沒此地的朋友都是唸不怎麼當人的科系?(純猜測, 沒別的意思)
只當10%真的很仁慈了
搞不好媒傳系的學弟妹都在偷笑了吧........
2010-03-03 @ 03:07
迴響 from: 以前修過課的畢業生 [訪問者]
吼~老師上課內容越來越有趣了啦! 偏心(指)!
2010-03-03 @ 14:56
迴響 from: aday [訪問者]
*****
真的很想上這樣的課呀!
2010-03-04 @ 01:32
迴響 from: Scape [訪問者]
以實作營業額來當作評分的一部分標準,這真的不是一個好主意
因為太容易作弊了
私底下找朋友或家人在特定時間去捧場是很簡單的事情
甚至家中有人或朋友在大直開店呢??

另外,學生互評跟囚徒困境有著顯著的差異
需要用不同的賽局理論模型才能說明
真正努力的學生不一定能在此種評分標準下拿到高分
反而是有著其他優勢的人容易拿到高分
例如人緣好or懂得賽局理論

(Lucifer:誰跟你講那叫作弊?你爸有錢是不是作弊?
2010-03-04 @ 08:22
迴響 from: 路人甲 [訪問者]
簡單說,這是一門模擬真實社會競爭的「實境課程」,所以你看到實境秀那種活生生血淋淋的場景會在教室裡頭發生,這不是傳統那種「好孩子吃果果,你我都是好朋友」的那種上課方式,是弱肉強食,是社會縮影,是生活寫照……

那些覺得「太殘忍不公平」的人,請收起你的筆,因為這個社會本來就很殘忍,很不公平,自然在這種「實境課程」上,就沒有同情可言;當我們看著電視實境秀的時候,那些淘汰者有些也是遭到隊友所累而被淘汰,但是人生不就是這樣,何況當遭遇逆境的時候,不設法去突破、克服,事後只會一昧的怪東怪西(這種場景在每個實境秀中多少都會出現過),看在我們這些旁觀者眼中,只是會當成失敗者的牢騷;是你自願跳入這個局的,卻在事後怪這個局對你不公平,這種說法是不合理的;更何況,現實社會比這個更殘忍,更靠運氣,有時候還是因為上層的上層因為政爭失利,連帶下面單位全部被裁掉,怪誰?怪自己香燒的不夠多,運氣太背(所以常有人說,運氣也是實力的一部份)。

不過說真的,這個課程真的很像川普的「誰是接班人」,我真的很想去上看看;能上到這堂課的學生,就算期末當掉,從課程中學到的東西如果能真切的領悟到,就足以在接下來的三年中,踩在其他50%~80%的人的頭上,因為有很多人出了社會之後,挨過不曉得多少場腥風血雨才知道一些這個社會上的Game Rule;每個Game都會有Rule,有明文的規定,也有不明文的潛規定,而不明文的潛規定通常不會有人來教,都是用經驗跟血汗換來的,所以學校畢業的社會新鮮人會被狂電,被當成小白,就是因為他們把校園的Rule當成職場的Rule,能早點讓這些溫室裡的花朵知道外面的世界有多殘酷也好,這樣才會提高他們在外面世界生存的機會。

朱大加油,狠狠的ㄉㄧㄤ給他們死吧!
2010-03-04 @ 14:22
迴響 from: Scape [訪問者]
Lucifer:誰跟你講那叫作弊?你爸有錢是不是作弊?

如果老爸有錢是被老師承認影響分數的因子之一的話

那的確不是作弊

但對於一個學生來說 公平性又在哪裡呢?

要學生提早接受社會的殘酷面有好有壞

沒人說的準的

(Lucifer:對啊沒人說的準,所以妳和我都不需要說的準。人緣好算不算作弊?朋友多算不算作弊?智商比較高算不算作弊?醒醒吧,這課程的目的就是告訴你社會真相的。
2010-03-05 @ 09:00
迴響 from: Scape [訪問者]
(Lucifer:對啊沒人說的準,所以妳和我都不需要說的準。人緣好算不算作弊?朋友多算不算作弊?智商比較高算不算作弊?醒醒吧,這課程的目的就是告訴你社會真相的。)

這真的是你開這門課的主要目的嗎?

若是的話 跟教學目標所提到的切入角度差別還蠻大的

另外,這是你的課,怎麼搞最後決定全都是在你

但是對於網友們的留言回應,也沒必要用情緒性字眼來表達自己的意見

這對於一個有志(至少在某方面)為人師表的人來說,是有點失格了

學期開始啦 預祝你跟你的學生在這門課程中都能學到東西

(Lucifer:我的座右銘就是幹你老師耶~~~才沒有要為人師表呢~~~
2010-03-05 @ 10:37
迴響 from: 宅心人厚 [訪問者]
to scape
除了學校之外,這世界上沒有作弊這個名詞啦...

出了馬克斯的腦袋之外,這個世界上也沒有公平這件事情哩。

你前面提的東西叫做資源。個人擁有較多形式的資源本來就比較容易接近成功。朱大提供的不是一個夢想,比較像是一個機會。一個證實你比較多資源確實有可能接近成功的機會,一個證實你沒有人家那麼多資源,也一樣方法有成功的機會。(不然你以為簡報教學為什麼可以快速增進人家信服你的效果)

在這個大航海時代裡,知識就是大秘寶呀!
要拿到這個祕寶就付出東西來呀!
2010-03-05 @ 15:51
迴響 from: 宅心人厚 [訪問者]
對了,scape兄,
這裡是朱大的地盤,
主人想怎麼表達是他的自由,
你跟我都是自願來的,
又沒人拿刀架著我們...XD
2010-03-05 @ 15:54
迴響 from: Scape [訪問者]
to 宅心人厚

很不巧的,這就是在學校裡面正要發生的事情

懷疑你是否連標題都沒看過就進來回文了??

再者

除了學校 這世界就沒有作弊這名詞了嗎?

那麼奧運也可以不需要藥檢了

MLB紀錄上也不用在旁邊打**了

政府採購合約也可以把回扣這一項光明正大寫進去了

或許追求公平正義只能是個理想

或許要等到瓦肯人來幫助我們才有可能實現

但是就你說的這一點,出了學校 就沒有作弊這個名詞

我必須說,你犯了見樹不見林的毛病了

至於其他的

就如你所說的,這是人家的地盤,這也是他的事

但我也只是說了自己的意見,並沒有強迫人一定要接受

又不是來了人家的地盤就一定要說好話才行 是吧?



2010-03-05 @ 20:18
迴響 from: Laura [訪問者]

哇~~~實在是很刺激的課程,
若在我那個年代,一定搶著去修;
總好過去修那種,
老師上課一直吹噓自己有多麼風光的過去,
或是50分過去了,
老師說的話,沒一句可以寫進筆記本裡。

這些學生太幸福了啦~~
2010-03-06 @ 04:20
迴響 from: UP [訪問者]
我也想學簡報技巧~
2010-03-06 @ 23:12
迴響 from: kevin [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/tarnkaewen
好想去聽簡報課程
2010-03-07 @ 01:08
迴響 from: 營養學分 [訪問者]
看來不是多重要的課,只當10%。
2010-03-09 @ 12:42
迴響 from: 盧卡斯 [訪問者]
****-
第一:這是選修,可以不選
第二:學到什麼比爭到多少分數重要
第三:大學生被當是很了不起的事嗎? 被當不會重修嗎? 學分不夠? 多的是營養學分給你湊數
第四:搞不懂這種課與一般大學制式課程的差別的人 還是乖乖的修學長姐推薦的課就好了
第五:很多人的簡報技巧真的都很差,頂多就是小學生上台朗誦的程度而已,這幾年提案看到不少想讓人吐血的 有機會真的要老朱整理一下跟大家分享(或賣錢都行)
2010-03-10 @ 13:36
迴響 from: 正咩...??? / venaisha... [訪問者]

啊....連旁聽也不給.....
2010-03-16 @ 14:52
迴響 from: Delta [訪問者]
路人今天纔知道這個網站....對於爭議有興趣理解但沒耐心所以看不太懂。不過就小弟所知,當掉成績總排名最後面10%的殘酷做法,源自於幾時年前的哈佛商學院,後來東海建築系(系主任漢寶德),淡江建築系(系主任白瑾)約三十多年前都用過這個方式來磨練設計課的學生,所以....
2010-03-21 @ 00:44
迴響 from: 米斯特‧載卡多 [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/LastResort
to Scape:
 我想 宅心人厚 所言,應該是指 在社會上,這已經不叫作弊,而叫方法了。為了限制其執行的方法,所以才會有「規範」、「法律」這些限制。

to 宅心人厚:
 蠻認同你那句:這世界上沒有公平這名詞。

to Mirrior:
 社會人士的怨念+1;

  國中被灌輸只要書唸的好,就有好前途;
  五專被灌輸只要考上好學校,就有好前途;
  二技終於才自我意識到,成績什麼的一點都不重要,只有自己會什麼才重要。
  出了社會才有體認:
   為什麼我爸不是李嘉誠?
   為什麼我爸不是郭台銘?
   為什麼我爸不是朱學恆?
2010-06-05 @ 13:57
迴響 from: 米斯特‧載卡多 [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/LastResort
相信一定很多人都這麼想(1):
 10%算什麼,學到東西才是最重要的啦。

PS:指出社會吃足苦頭的人、在學生開始有意識的人、對未來有想法的人。
2010-06-05 @ 14:00
迴響 from: E [訪問者]
好喜歡惡樣的課,就算會當90%的人我也會去修!!!!
2010-06-06 @ 23:45
迴響 from: tlhc [訪問者]
SGG413 最近都不認真~
2011-02-22 @ 12:10
迴響 from: watch the big bang theory season 4 episode 7 [訪問者] · http://www.thebigbangtheoryseasonepisodes.com/the-big-bang-theory-season-4-episode-7/
Hi! Would you be interested in exchanging links?
2011-02-22 @ 12:36
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2011-02-22 @ 13:49
迴響 from: 老費 [訪問者]
*****
很好奇在靠夭的是在學學生還是社會青年?還是有錢的富二代,天生只要學花錢就好的那種?
一個確實的教育勝過在社會工作的幾年,與其擔心是最後10%,為什麼不在上課的時候擠入中段的70%?
每天上上網看看資料還是誰又發表了那些話就自以為思想成熟可比李家冏?這麼擔心成績的話,你還是乖乖的去找輕鬆又高分的學分來上,不然找間學店混混文憑就好,在這邊酸來酸去的以為很高明嗎?
2011-02-22 @ 14:17
迴響 from: zuyan [訪問者] · http://maru.gates.tw
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我承認我只看最下面的兩張圖而已...
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