朱恐龍
朱恐龍

請來,聽聽她的故事。 (71809 views)
     

聽聽她的故事吧。

Follow up:

您好:

聽說你很喜歡灌籃高手,和裡面的帥哥流川楓。

說老實話,我不太喜歡流川楓,因為他又帥又會打籃球,實在很厲害。

不過我倒是蠻喜歡看灌籃高手的,因為我喜歡櫻木花道和晴子喔喔喔!

既然你跟我一樣那麼喜歡灌籃高手,那我要告訴你你錯過的劇情喔!

井上雄彥的灌籃高手結束在山王工業一戰你也覺得很奇怪吧?是啊,可是他後來再也沒有畫過續集了,所以經過了很多很多年,我們都不知道到底櫻木花道和流川楓後來怎麼樣了。

後來井上雄彥又跑去畫浪人劍客,是宮本武藏的故事,你可能就不喜歡看了吧。

然後中間網路還有流傳很多假結局,還有出版社亂畫模仿的內容騙大家去買,幸好你都不用經歷這些白爛的事情,因為有很多笨阿宅被騙得團團轉。

後來又真的經過好多好多年以後,井上雄彥才在神奈川的一所廢棄高中的黑板上面,畫了名為「十日後」的真正結局。

然後又要經過好多年之後,就在去年吧,也就是你請假離開九年之後,《十日後》出版了。

櫻木花道變成復健界的王者,每天都要復健,但他還是狂妄的大喊下一個去NBA的就是他!

三井壽則是依然在努力練習著三分球,希望能夠獲得大學甄選錄取的機會。

而你最喜歡的的流川楓則是每天不停的背誦和練習英文,為了他的美國之旅作準備。

啊!我真希望你有機會能夠看到灌籃高手的結局呢!

啊對了,我們現在最迷的漫畫叫做海賊王,它打破了好多紀錄呀!一開始我也不喜歡看,但是後來越看越有趣呢!

它講的是一群男子漢在偉大航路上的冒險,不知道你會不會喜歡這樣的男子漢的浪漫說!

好啦,這封信就寫到這裡了。有機會再跟你說後面的故事!

很多網友要到三月二十七號晚上才會真正認識你,相信他們也會跟我一樣支持喜歡灌籃高手和脆笛酥的你啊!

謝謝你!

朱恐龍寫在於林口高中演講前

三月二十七號晚上的活動是一個很衝動的活動。

大概這是兩週左右辦出來的活動。

因為他不是什麼精心算計的活動,他是單純的因為看不過去,單純的因為發現自己過去袖手旁觀而辦出來的活動。

也許原來大家是因為廢死的議題而產生關注,但是當我們越看越深,越看越清楚的時候,我們才真正明白,真正的問題更嚴重:中華民國的受害者和家屬們根本從來沒有被好好的照顧和支持。

因為這次的爭議,我們才第一次真真正正的聽到受害者家屬的暗夜哭聲,我們才真正體會到他們受到的是什麼樣的待遇。

在這集2100最後五分鐘的時候,台南的受害者家屬李小姐打電話進來,她哽咽的說: 「你們說要廢除死刑,我當然不贊同,因為我們受害者家屬沒有受到保護呀!你說要我們怎麼原諒那些被判死刑的人?」

現場陷入一片靜默。

是的,我們這才真正的聽到他們的聲音。

我們才知道我們錯了,希望有機會可以彌補。

三月二十七號晚上,會出席的每一個家屬都很勇敢。

因為他們要談論的是自己失去了多麼重要的摯愛。

我們真的很抱歉,因為如果國家機制一切運作正常,他們受到該有的保護和照顧,他們根本不需要站上凱達格蘭大道。

這個活動根本沒有必要舉辦。

但是他們來了,為了回應我們的熱情。

而我們會去,為了站滿凱達格蘭大道十線道的場地,讓這些孤軍奮戰的受害者家屬看看,從今以後,你們不再孤單,有我們在這裡!

就醬會來,她應該會跟巧可一起來,還有她一個月前就約好上台北來玩的高雄朋友。

王瑞德會來。

因為我們根本不認識的正妹女兒告訴了她努力工作的媽媽,所以王瑞德會來。

他會從內湖特別下班之後趕過來。

九把刀會來。(還帶著他發黴的下巴一起來)

因為小內是個好女孩。(而九把刀是個機O毛。)

當天是他們交往週年,但是他們不去餐廳飯店慶祝,他們還是要來凱道坐在地上,聽聽被害者的故事。

但這些人都不是為了我而來的。

就像是去年我們去新竹靜坐的時候,現場的人也沒有一個是為了我而來的。

因為去年他們是為了余之斌而去的。

貴婦奈奈的文章也不是為了我而寫的。

她是為了那些過去只能在暗夜飲泣,而那哭聲卻從來無人聽聞的受害者家屬寫的。

這次活動全都是來自四面八方的義工組織的。

有義務組織整場音樂的音樂人,他們會帶著自己的電鋼琴和吉他來。

有義務協助拍攝剪接的攝影師,他剪接影片直到半夜一聲不吭,說這是他絕對滿意的作品。

有義務製作動畫影片的網友,有特別從洛杉磯關切我們進度的網友。

有在台南為了受害者訪問拜訪的義工。

有製作電視節目專長的義工。

有跑去幫忙挑選康乃馨的義工。

有跑去幫忙買蠟燭的義工。

還有無數幫忙轉寄、通知朋友的義工,在網路上四處拉人的義工。

很多人跟我講這次他第一次想要參加社會運動。

這是他第一次想要踏上凱道。

我去大學演講的時候,當我邀請底下的那些被其他人稱為漠不關心冷漠世代的學生們來參加的時候,竟然有很多人答應要來。

有很多學生說要帶著攝影機來記錄他的第一次活動。

這個活動的運作只有兩週,宣傳時間不到七天。

沒有政黨力量,沒有動員資源。除了網友義工之外,我們連常設組織都沒有。

但只要有足夠強烈的熱情,七天就可以創造歷史和改變這個社會!

受害者家屬們,你們願意站出來已經很勇敢,就讓我們給你看看滿溢凱達格蘭大道十線道的熱情,這是我們的承諾,從今以後,你們不再孤軍奮戰,有我們在這裡!

Lucifer

來吧,請為了真正經歷這一切的改變而來吧。

你不來,是永遠不會懂的。

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迴響(592)

迴響 from: 邁成功 [訪問者]
星期六凱道見。

以上
2010-03-26 @ 12:34
迴響 from: daniel [訪問者]
*****
支持
讓我們做該做的對的事!!!
2010-03-26 @ 12:38
迴響 from: 路人 [訪問者]
+1~
2010-03-26 @ 12:39
迴響 from: 潛水夫 [訪問者]
靠腰,看得滿眼眶淚水。
2010-03-26 @ 12:41
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我們三月二十七日晚上六點半在凱達格蘭大道上見面吧!!
2010-03-26 @ 12:43
迴響 from: 路人乙 [訪問者]
*****
明天 凱道見
2010-03-26 @ 12:43
迴響 from: rainy [訪問者]
****-
我會去.
2010-03-26 @ 12:45
迴響 from: 傑森 [訪問者]
抱歉,我人在嘉義,不一定能去參加。(假如能抽出時間,我一定北上)

但是,無論如何,加油!
2010-03-26 @ 12:45
迴響 from: gn [訪問者]
前15?
2010-03-26 @ 12:49
迴響 from: ninny [訪問者]
不見不散+1
2010-03-26 @ 12:49
迴響 from: baabuu [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/baabuu
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閱畢~~

====
很遺憾活動時間我剛好有另外一個無法推掉的活動,
但是我在活動開始前會去,
並且想辦法在活動結束前回到現場!!
2010-03-26 @ 12:51
迴響 from: 久利生公平 [訪問者] · http://blogs.myoops.org/lucifer.php/2010/03/06/spring
功績表忘了加上「保護受害者家屬不被消費的義工」
謝謝~

2010-03-26 @ 13:02
迴響 from: 東平 [訪問者]
做對的事情應該支持~~~~明天見
2010-03-26 @ 13:05
迴響 from: 蓮娜 [訪問者] Email
幹~朱大害我哭了好多次.

每看一次文章就哭一次

幫忙寫文章宣傳這次活動.邊寫邊哭了幾次

去現場不知要哭幾百次......

但是我會去

就算哭成豬頭我都會去!
2010-03-26 @ 13:07
迴響 from: MR.左手 [訪問者]
*****
做自己應當做的事情!


請靜下心來聆聽!



明天不見不散
2010-03-26 @ 13:09
迴響 from: 小君 [訪問者]
真是,害我也哭了。
明天見。
風雨無阻
2010-03-26 @ 13:10
迴響 from: s05064 [訪問者]
*****
一定到!
2010-03-26 @ 13:15
迴響 from: Ella [訪問者]
朱宅神和眾網友這次所舉辦的柔性活動很有意義!在此先預祝3/27能夠有個好天氣,活動圓滿成功!

雖然有點離題,但還是想提一下死刑存廢的問題,請見諒!
實務界為何大多都不贊成廢除死刑,我想應該是跟他們比較接近第一線有關,然後記者不分藍、綠,幾乎一面倒的批判、反對廢除死刑,為什麼?因為這些檢、警、記者往往就是跑第一線的人嘛,感受太強烈了。這豈是坐在辦公室裡吹冷氣、抱著法學理論在過日子的學者、律師所可以理解的。那些主張廢死的人士們,或許應該找機會到第一線去看看,或許接觸多了,你們的思維就會改變了。你們會了解到有些人,之所以能夠這麼殘暴地殺人、犯案,是因為他們不把人當人看,而是把人當成物品 (物化),這絕對不是讓他們抄抄佛經、讀讀聖經這麼簡單就可以改變的。提醒這些相信人性本善的好心人,善心是好事,但要有個限度,別太天真了。如果天真再加上手上握有權力的話,那可是會變成災難的。

主張廢死的人士應該轉個方向,先去改革司法體制、獄政管理、被害人家屬的保護,把基本的事情做好了再來講其他。不要以為法界和政界相通,把持住政界和法界就可以直接跳過民意,沒那回事,不然你們去看看那個政治人物有膽和廣大的民意對抗,除非他想終結政治生命。

雖說刑法不是應報主義,但是如果刑法沒有維持社會秩序和公平正義的功用,那麼要它何用!?真摯的情感比道理更能打動人心,廢死團體不了解這一點,冰冷的理論打動不了人心!以至於推行這麼多年,支持度還是這麼低。最後要說的是,希望3/27晚上那些主張廢死的人士能夠到場聆聽這些家屬的心聲,或許你們會有不一樣的感受。
2010-03-26 @ 13:17
迴響 from: BUZZ [訪問者]
朱大加油~
2010-03-26 @ 13:24
迴響 from: JiGa [訪問者] Email
一定到!!
2010-03-26 @ 13:26
Ella 放心你沒有離題,沒必要躲藏,你要談的跟主文中描述受害者家屬打電話講的內容是一致的。
但你又把保護被害人這事踢到廢死團體頭上啦,這暗示保護被害人家屬對必死團而言是燙手山芋的事必須有人做而不是自己做?
被害人家屬的保護這口號喊了半天,到底指的是什麼內容跟「停止法律殺人」有相關,讓你可以這樣踢?
(發現我還比較保護被害人家屬咧)
2010-03-26 @ 13:33
迴響 from: Blade [訪問者]
非常同意樓上Ella的看法

Lucifer加油啊啊!
雖然回不去沒辦法跟你們併肩作戰

但是我們的精神與各位同在!!

2010-03-26 @ 13:37
迴響 from: ferragus [訪問者]
即使受害家屬沒有站出來,我也會到凱達格蘭大道支持這個活動,兄弟姐妹們....3/27,凱道見....
2010-03-26 @ 13:54
迴響 from: 阿Q [訪問者]
為什麼突然問往生者喜歡吃什麼?
又不是寵物過世
2010-03-26 @ 13:55
迴響 from: 黃妖 [訪問者]
see u tomorrow~
2010-03-26 @ 14:18
迴響 from: Wilber [訪問者]
3/27號 各位!凱道上不見不散
2010-03-26 @ 14:27
迴響 from: Nightwizard [訪問者]
受害者家屬確實是需要政府與社會共同保護的
但是今天把死刑犯槍決 並不是一個有效的方法
我認為並不該把"保護受害者家屬"做為該保留死刑的理由!死刑該存該廢 應該是著眼於是否有嚇阻功效 不讓悲劇再次發生
現在的社會是仍沒有到可以廢除死刑的地步
但我反對將刑罰作為報復的方式 來撫平受害者家屬的心

我認為朱大辦的"聆聽受害者故事"對於社會關懷受害者家屬有相當好的助益
但這和死刑是否該廢除 應該完全是兩回事
2010-03-26 @ 15:02
迴響 from: 黑球 [訪問者] · http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/black-ball
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請加件外套, 帶熱水瓶或圍巾.

關於熱情這件事, 需要永遠的實際行動, 與具體的細節來支持.

外套, 水, 跟圍巾, 可以讓大家熱情久久不散.
2010-03-26 @ 15:03
迴響 from: 台客 [訪問者]
3/27與大家相約在凱道, 請帶著親朋好友一起來!
2010-03-26 @ 15:31
迴響 from: 友人Y [訪問者]
靠,我的眼睛流汗了…
2010-03-26 @ 15:35
迴響 from: OED [訪問者]
*****
久利生公平是正義的化身
2010-03-26 @ 15:54
迴響 from: 球球 [訪問者]
不是法律殺人,是犯罪者選擇了死刑的結果
再說死刑犯被法律殺死之前,有想過原因嗎?
2010-03-26 @ 16:01
迴響 from: 路過的惡魔 [訪問者]
在下認為有些事雖然可以接受,原諒,但絕不能遺忘.
明天凱道見.
2010-03-26 @ 16:05
迴響 from: MR.左手 [訪問者]
*****
to Ella

你說的沒錯,不用理會鬧場的人



3/27晚上見,這可不是遊行是聚會!
2010-03-26 @ 16:14
迴響 from: 小羽 [訪問者]
祝活動進行順利,雖然明天我要上班不能到,
但是我絕對支持這個活動!
在精神上我與大家同在....
2010-03-26 @ 16:25
迴響 from: ACE [訪問者]
剛聽完朱大在林口的演講
明天凱道見
2010-03-26 @ 16:42
迴響 from: 一樣是爸爸 [訪問者]
如果,今天廢死盟的宗旨是這麼寫的:"在維護人權的原則下,以最終廢除死刑為目標
從事有關被害人家屬保護,生理及心理重建,減少重大刑案發生
消弭司法不公及侵權等事業"我想,社會上會有很多人更願意投入廢死的陣營
可是,廢死盟做了什麼?"以對比懸殊的政治及資源,倚仗外國團體的壓力
實質暫緩(阻撓)死刑的執行,進而影響死刑的判定",請問,這讓人民如何接受
偽日劇人物,您的"你又把保護被害人這事踢到廢死團體頭上啦"這句話
就是民眾們最為反感的"高傲"及"冷漠",您再一次驗證了這個事實
"在廢死盟的眼裡,犯罪者的人權比死者或其家屬更重要,因為跟團體的目標無關"
2010-03-26 @ 17:05
迴響 from: RoseRoo [訪問者] · http://roseroo.spaces.live.com/
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為什麼聆聽受害者家屬的聲音,感覺會和癈死刑議題扯在一起?會和人權團體糾葛不休?

因為照顧受害者家屬本就該是人權團體該做的事!!!

人權團體?卻是倒行逆施的去盡力保護那些罪大惡極反覆更審最終定讞的死刑犯(或一般罪犯),
然後無限放大這些死刑犯(或一般罪犯)的一點作為。
抄個佛經、念念聖經、拿個屁文學獎,這些根本再一般不過芝麻小事,通通被人權團體放大成為:

看啊,是我們偉大的情操感動了壞蛋,讓他們真誠悔改了!
看啊,是我們激發了人性那光輝一面。我們真是了不起呀!
看啊,是我們激發了人性那光輝一面。我們真是了不起呀!
看啊,是我們激發了人性那光輝一面。我們真是了不起呀!
(下刪6萬5千句自我感覺良好說詞)


面對受害者家屬則是:
你們要有大愛啊,要放下啊、要包容啊、要原諒啊...




受害者家屬想發出真正的聲音,
則要在法庭上面對他們可能散盡家財也請不起的幾十位【人權大律師】在替死刑犯(或一般罪犯)辯護,
則要在社會上面對他們永遠搶不贏媒體鎂光燈的一大串【宗教家】要求他們要用大愛包容死刑犯(或一般罪犯)。

受害者家屬發不出聲音了,或真正的心聲在"大愛"的要求下窒礙難出,被河蟹掉了之後...

看啊,是我們偉大的情操感動了家屬,讓他們放下怨仇了!
看啊,是我們循循善誘的教化了家屬,讓他們選擇原諒了!
看啊,是我們激發了人性那光輝一面。我們真是了不起呀!
看啊,是我們激發了人性那光輝一面。我們真是了不起呀!
看啊,是我們激發了人性那光輝一面。我們真是了不起呀!
(照例下刪6萬5千句自我感覺良好說詞)

而這樣的逆天倒理、人不人、法不法的故事,已經上演了好多年,共計兩任政府與兩任法務部長...

這也是今天會出現《聆聽受害者家屬的聲音》的社會活動的濫觴


PS:要去掃墓,不知道趕不趕的上
2010-03-26 @ 17:32
迴響 from: nights [訪問者] · http://www.plurk.com/nights
新聞:總統府響應關燈活動 明晚關閉景觀照明
http://tw.rd.yahoo.com/referurl/news/tech/recent/*http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/100326/1/22s4i.html


這下明晚3/27活動區域將看不到總統府的景觀燈,路過的群眾要小心行走喔

(歡迎一起響應3/27晚上20:30~21:30的環保關燈活動^^)
2010-03-26 @ 17:38
迴響 from: 飛 [訪問者]
*****
祝天氣大好,祝活動成功,朱大,加油,永遠挺你..
2010-03-26 @ 17:38
迴響 from: in4007 [訪問者]
*****
再亮的光 也有照不到的黑暗角落
但更多的光幫忙照耀 黑暗的死角也就減少許多

希望在場的每一位 為身處黑暗之中的人 點一盞光明的燈火

這樣的活動 不宜流於激情 激情只會將他們微小的聲音蓋過

明天見
2010-03-26 @ 17:52
迴響 from: 大叮噹 [訪問者]
明天凱道見
2010-03-26 @ 17:52
迴響 from: may [訪問者]
回覆時或許以祝福犯罪受害者家屬與活動為主比較好。

太長或太離題,很容易被人誤解或故意放大。
這是五毛黨常用的招數,
http://www.ntdtv.com/xtr/b5/2009/10/23/a369019.html
「對於某些人氣不錯的論壇,網友信用度比較高,這時首先要做的是製造一種混亂,通過似是而非的文章進行干涉,跟帖做非理性的故意曲解、製造誤會和爭辯,轉移網民的注意力。」

給犯罪受害者家屬:
社會上絕大多數人,都愛你支持你願意聽你們的聲音!
2010-03-26 @ 17:56
迴響 from: 小原 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/ykohara2001
>>為什麼突然問往生者喜歡吃什麼?
>>又不是寵物過世


得知我表妹屍體找到的那一天,
我腦子裡不斷的回想起過往種種.

她小我將近20歲.
如果我早婚早生孩子,她都可以當我女兒.

我清楚記得她小時候的模樣,精靈可愛.
我記得最後一次看到她時,她對我說的每一句話.

對失去親人的人來說,
她生前喜歡吃的東西,喜歡做的事,喜歡看的電影,一些小習慣(不管是好習慣或是壞習慣)
這些雖然看起來沒什麼意義的事情,都讓我們懷念不已....


我爸爸去看過表妹的遺體之後流淚打電話給我.
他說,即使已經變成白骨的臉部,依然可以感受到她死前的驚恐.一個好好的女孩子,變成那樣...
接下來好多天我都睡不好.晚上看見我女兒的睡臉,就會想起那可憐的小表妹.

to 久利生公平

其實,我理解你想要表達的東西,真的.
雖然你的態度容易引起人反感,
可是你提出的見解也讓我思考很多,謝謝.
(你是否曾在周星星的網站上發言過呢?)

我是支持這樣的活動的.

對我來說,我痛惡犯罪,不只是針對死刑犯.
犯罪是最愚蠢最自私,害人又不利己的行為.
如果犯罪受害者家屬的痛,可以喚起社會良知,
大家一起抵制譴責犯罪行為,這未嘗不是好事.
我不認為這樣的方式是在消費被害者家屬.
我希望,這樣的痛,不要再發生在任何人身上.


2010-03-26 @ 17:56
迴響 from: 惠惠 [訪問者]
*****
完全支持這個活動!!
加油!!!
2010-03-26 @ 18:15
大家不要再理會那個 "久戾聲" 了好嗎 ?

明天凱道見 !!
2010-03-26 @ 18:30
迴響 from: 風子 [訪問者]
我很想無法到,

傾聽、對話、才有可能無憾的放下!

大家加油!
2010-03-26 @ 18:42
帶著同情心情看完影片有股不對勁的感覺揮之不去,會想念過世親人的一切包括喜歡的音樂、食物是很正常的,
而若是一個外人帶著攝影機(還有東森記者?)到家裡請家屬拿出受害者照片,問喜歡吃什麼,一整個怪......
既然要錄影、要關懷就朝了解家屬失去親人如何走過來、如何面對生活著墨吧?
但我看到的卻是再度讓過往回憶歷歷在目、如果沒遇害現在多美好(有問對死刑看法?)之類的,
這是哪門子關懷??關懷與找家屬支持這二者,應該很多阿宅覺得是同一件事吧~
2010-03-26 @ 19:00
迴響 from: SONY - (但兩人疑已脫產。) [訪問者]
所謂的廢死人權團體, 可曾免費替被害人打過民事求償官司 ??

可以為死刑犯下地獄的清風部長, 可願散盡家財來賠償被害人家屬 ??


凱道見 !!

................
3年多前震驚全國的台中縣龍井鄉施姓女保險員遭性侵分屍案,被外界喻為殺人魔的被告陳金火,經最高法院認定與廣德強先性侵被害人,再殺人分屍及棄屍於化糞池,合議庭並直指兩人行徑兇殘、毫無人性、令人髮指、毫無悔意,昨天判處兩人死刑定讞。
死者家屬盼快槍決,施女父親表示,案子拖了好幾年,政府應該儘快將陳、廣兩人槍決,還給他女兒一個公道,也給社會一個交代;施父也感嘆,治安敗壞,小偷偷竊後交保又繼續犯案,希望法律能嚴厲一點,亂世用重典,否則人民連求個心安的心願都無法達成。
沒有「吃人肉」事證,合議庭強調,陳、廣兩人所犯的罪行,至今仍讓被害人家屬痛苦不堪,且犯罪後泰然自若,可見兩人極為冷酷,犯後也互推責任,實是「罪無可逭,有與社會永遠隔絕的必要」。
不過,被告「油炸烹食人肉」部分,合議庭認為除了廣某否認外,陳某的供詞也不一,再加上無其他事證,最後認定沒有「吃人肉」這件事。
兩人為最高法院今年判處死刑的第三、第四人;因部分人權團體要求廢除死刑聲浪高,政府也承諾朝此方向推動,故迄今「判死確定、尚未執行」的死刑犯,已累增至27人。
判決指出,現年42歲的陳金火,在台中縣龍井鄉新興路開設機車行,23歲的廣德強曾跟隨陳金火弟弟修機車,常至機車行逗留;92年12月,陳某心生淫念,要廣某與常來店裡的施姓女保險員連絡,以便聯手性侵害。
施女於12月7日晚間8時許赴約,陳金火關上鐵捲門後攻擊施女,趁施女昏死時脫光衣物,先由廣某性侵,陳某見施女奄奄一息,喪失興致,未再性侵。
廣某為湮滅事證,用水沖洗施女下體,並腳踩施女腹部讓精液流出,再與陳某分持美工刀、檳榔刀分屍,甚至削刮皮肉,分裝入塑膠袋,將屍骨藏在3樓室內預備冷卻水塔,屍肉丟入化糞池,兩人並瓜分施女的金戒指、現金、電腦及藍寶石墜鍊。
施女失蹤後家人報警,警方查出陳金火曾與施女電話連絡,前往機車行搜索,在水塔尋獲施女屍骨,一審時再開挖化糞池起出屍肉。檢警依地緣關係與犯罪手法,懷疑陳某另涉許、王兩名保險員及陳姓女學生等命案。本案民事賠償方面,雖然法院判決被告賠償被害人家屬1千萬元,但兩人疑已脫產。

2010-03-26 @ 19:04
迴響 from: 糸色 代 [訪問者]
漠視受害者痛苦的不義,令我感到汗顏。說了再多花言巧語也無法補正過去的錯誤;所以凱道,我是一定會到。 大夥不見不散!!
2010-03-26 @ 19:13
迴響 from: 新消息 [訪問者]
死囚鍾德樹釋憲 大法官三度駁回

犯下民國90年桃園佳育兒童心算中心縱火案的死刑定讞犯鍾德樹,3度聲請釋憲,大法官也第3度駁回釋憲案、決議不受理,主要理由在於鍾德樹已經申請3次釋憲,但聲明書中都沒有具體指出死刑在客觀上如何牴觸憲法,只是主觀認為刑法有關死刑的規定不當,大法官因而第三度駁回這項聲請。(黃進恭報導)

http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/100326/1/22shx.html


連結司法院網站
大法官第1353次會議議決不受理案件
六二、聲請人:鍾0樹(會台字第9718號)
http://www.judicial.gov.tw/constitutionalcourt/p10_02.asp?id=42833
2010-03-26 @ 19:16
To Sony
「所謂的廢死人權團體, 可曾免費替被害人打過民事求償官司 ??

可以為死刑犯下地獄的清風部長, 可願散盡家財來賠償被害人家屬 ??」

你的解答在這裡
http://smart.businessweekly.com.tw/webarticle.php?id=38279&p=2

廢死是廢死,社福是社福,沒理由要求第三方做你不願去做的事。
2010-03-26 @ 19:35
迴響 from: 阿Q [訪問者]
如果是家屬留你們下來用餐
看著一桌的菜你再問有沒有哪道是被害人喜歡吃的就不那麼奇怪(仍有點哪壺不開提哪壺之類的fu)
但看著一堆照片問....
到底帶著什麼心情問這種問題的啊?
Jesus!
2010-03-26 @ 19:45
迴響 from: 轉轉 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/mingdowl83
你好你好
我是林口高中的學生
今天聽你演講真的好有感觸
你看我們學校那機掰的學務主任都被你弄哭了XD
每次有來賓到我們學校來演講我們都睡死了
又或是台上講的精采底下也聊的激烈XD
但這次真的很不一樣
大家都愛這次的演講
也緩和了段考完後的下午還要留在學校的不滿
說真的我還覺得就算犧牲了出去玩的時間也要來聽聽你的演講
真的是~太~棒~了=ˇ=
2010-03-26 @ 20:04
迴響 from: 大宇 [訪問者]
週六晚 凱道見
2010-03-26 @ 20:41
迴響 from: JACK TU [訪問者]
久利生先生
我希望你參加遊行
你可以當面跟朱宅對話喔
這樣就不用在這裡發出斷斷續續的發言而且還不一定有人理妳
你只需要參加遊行 然後起立大聲說:我是久立生公平!!!!!!


還是這個禮拜六你要做什麼其他事不能出門呢?
2010-03-26 @ 20:55
迴響 from: 台客 [訪問者]
看來大家慢慢都有共識把久利生公平當作不存在而不作回應了, 很好很好! 就是應該這樣, 別把時間浪費在無意義的事情上, 反正久利生公平不管有沒有人回應都是一直在自說自話, 跟他說啥都是浪費時間的.

3/27晚上大家凱道見囉! 一起來做有意義的事情!
2010-03-26 @ 21:06
迴響 from: 漪 [訪問者]
我一直覺得人的肢體跟語言真的是人類非常偉大的一種....怎麼說,是很棒的一種溝通途徑吧,藉著聲音,藉著肢體去讓另一個人了解你想表達的是什麼,去發洩去分享去傾訴你想告訴別人的想法,這樣的活動我覺得很有意義,也祝福明天的活動能夠順利成功。
很多人就是因為把太多不快樂的東西不管是自願還是被逼的,就放在心裡,每天每夜每日獨自反芻這些無比絕望的情緒,直到崩潰。

我無意說些什麼,前面幾帖太多人說過這樣假設的話,但是我想說,那種絕望並不只是當時的,他會一輩子跟著你,影響著你之後非常非常久遠的生活,甚至到了輪到你要走的時候,你還是很難去釋懷這一切。

當那個與你非常親近的人以這麼不堪的方式離開了,最開始的以淚洗面,半夜哭著從夢中醒來,生活少了什麼重心,他的房間擺設位置至今捨不得變換,發現什麼有趣的東西要找他一起看,回頭喊他的名字卻看到其他家人一臉的錯愕跟......真的,那種感覺很難告訴誰,也不見得有誰會懂,也願意懂。
2010-03-26 @ 21:27
迴響 from: 宅心人厚 [訪問者]
傾聽是一種力量,
陪伴是一種力量,
沉默是一種力量。

不用說額外的話了,
出現在那裏,就是對受害者家庭的一種支持的力量。

如果你相信,
那就來吧。

如果你不相信,那就閉上眼睛闔上嘴巴。
你可以做你覺得更好的方式,去幫助這些人。
2010-03-26 @ 21:36
迴響 from: yumio [訪問者]
開賭盤吧
賭久利生敢不敢在凱道上現身pk朱大...
2010-03-26 @ 21:38
迴響 from: 212 12 [訪問者]
希望你也來新莊高中 演講 我之前就聽過也在輔大的演講~!
2010-03-26 @ 21:39
迴響 from: 212 12 [訪問者]
27號的活動 希望會成功 對於廢死刑 只有一句話
犧牲別人的幸福來成就偉大的事業,是非常容易的事情,因為被犧牲的人不是自己,所以這種人永遠可以大義凜然。
2010-03-26 @ 21:42
迴響 from: 朝倉啟太 [訪問者]
明晚會到+1
我壓 久利生明晚不會到現場1票
2010-03-26 @ 21:48
對我來說把坐在馬路上湊熱鬧當成關懷同情受害人家屬,我會有罪惡感啊~

放心,明天我會在這留言證明我沒去(還要弄個火鍋吃)
2010-03-26 @ 22:05
迴響 from: denty [訪問者]
請問有接受捐款帳戶嗎?
2010-03-26 @ 22:14
迴響 from: 雖然討厭人多的路人甲 [訪問者]
幹!一定到。

不過可以摀住耳朵嗎?
人那麼多,淚流滿面很難看耶?
2010-03-26 @ 22:17
迴響 from: Yumin [訪問者]
如果拿杯水給死刑犯喝
也會被說成打壓受害者家屬吧
2010-03-26 @ 22:48
迴響 from: 依法行政 [訪問者]
別理九粒啦, 九粒已說過若發起人換個人, 就算此行動有人牽涉到死刑議題, 他也會支持. 此證明目前所有他的反對理由, 都只是反對發起人而已.

嗯? 又玩起分身? 連梗都一樣.

預祝, 明天活動成功
2010-03-26 @ 23:10
迴響 from: 黑色惡夢 [訪問者]
宅心兄

雖然貴我雙方的立場不同,

但是還是很希望您到場。

有閣下這種人,
相信您的理想也會在不遠的未來實現。
(只要那個吃火鍋的東西沒扯後腿的話)


至於那個說要吃火鍋的檢察官,
就祝他吃到烙賽吧。
2010-03-26 @ 23:13
迴響 from: 曾經身為人犯的下等保母的djbk5479 [訪問者]
糟糕!
因工作原因,去到那可能都要快八點了......orz

TO:Yumin
拿杯水給人犯喝代表的不是打壓受害者家屬!

而是戒護被人犯打壓阿~

你懂不懂那種悲哀阿~


TO:食痢生大便
把自己的冷漠說的冠冕堂皇的.....

想想你今日享有的自由平等吧,那是先人用熱血和眼淚換來的!

吃瓜子,不知拜樹頭!!!

無恥之尤!!!
(啊!糟糕!!不小心用了成噢,也不知大字不識幾個的你,能否看懂....)
2010-03-26 @ 23:23
迴響 from: djbk5479 [訪問者]
噢→語

眼殘沒修正到!

對不起~
2010-03-26 @ 23:26
迴響 from: 邏輯 [訪問者]
迴響 from: Yumin [訪問者]
如果拿杯水給死刑犯喝
也會被說成打壓受害者家屬吧

不會,但是會拿水給死刑犯喝,怎麼不會拿水給受害者家屬喝?

或者應該問,你怎麼不會想到要拿水給受害者家屬喝?

就是因為這樣,所以才會有這周六在凱道為受害者家屬舉辦的活動。

你要同情死刑犯是你的自由,最好你也去凱道辦一個關心死刑犯的活動。
2010-03-26 @ 23:36
迴響 from: 廢死吃大便吧 [訪問者]
人權是對人才適用的~
對於畜生不適合談人權!
輕易的奪取他人性命...用著殘酷的手段
這是人?應該是屎 這樣說還可能汙辱了屎...
2010-03-26 @ 23:51
To 邏輯
你不能要求別人去做你平時不想做的事。

沒人要同情死刑犯,死刑關到老死,而是為了法律不逼人殺人。

同情是必死團的口號,卻反而總是要求別人去同情好像自己做不到在踢皮球一樣。

廢死人士所做的就是廢死,說的跟做的一樣。

2010-03-26 @ 23:54
迴響 from: 雨宮 [訪問者]
向所有盡忠職守的檢察官致敬 !!

假貨就別理他吧!


預祝明天活動成功 !

.................................

1. 久利生公平對嫌疑犯瀧山明彥說了以下這段話:

「對於永不放棄這一點,我有自信不會輸給別人。 這個國家的法律,將嫌疑犯起訴與否的權限托付給檢察官個人,而不是檢察署這個組織,
因此這是一份相當沉重的責任。
我們並不是神,卻有權利決定要不要將人送上法庭,但正因為是這樣,無論對方是什麼樣的身分地位,或者受到輿論多大的同情,我們都不能有所偏頗, 必須以公正的態度來對待嫌疑犯,持續的追查,讓真相水落石出,因為這是我們的義務!
沒有人可以因為憤怒,就把另一個人殺害,在這個國家裡面,也沒有任何一條生命可以被人如此糟蹋…
因此我一定會堅持下去,直到查出足以說服我的真相為止!

2. 「死掉的人什麼都沒辦法說啊!能代替他說話的檢察官而已啊!」


3. 在這社會上所謂的「公平」,多為錢與勢的人把持著天平的左右,「只有檢查官是站在受害者的一方」。
2010-03-27 @ 00:10
迴響 from: 邏輯 [訪問者]
久利生公平啊!瞧瞧你自己講的話吧!什麼叫做要求別人去做自己平常不想做的事?會有這次的活動產生,是因為以前大家都忽略了,所以才要藉這次的活動來提醒社會大眾,並不是不想做啊!

「不想」同情受害者家屬的人是你吧!可是也沒人去「要求」過你啊!我們只是「邀請」你來參加活動而已,你不來參加活動,要在家裡吃火鍋,那也是你的自由啊!

既然要做得跟說的一樣,你就不用再扛著廢死的招牌來反對朱學恆了吧!沒那種信念就只會造成你發的文都漏洞百出,前後矛盾而已。
2010-03-27 @ 00:19
糟糕,今天賺的錢有點少耶.

快點罵我,快點罵我,你們愈罵我,這個版面就愈髒,我的金主和老闆就愈高興.他們就愈有理由抹黑這個活動,我的收入就愈多.

2010-03-27 @ 00:34
迴響 from: 哈台 [訪問者]
"真"久利生公平永遠站在受害者一方,

"假貨"九粒卻將個人恩怨放在幫助受害者之上, 真噁心.
2010-03-27 @ 00:35
迴響 from: 哈台 [訪問者]
祝明天活動成功~~!

各位明天見~~
2010-03-27 @ 00:36
To 小邏邏啊
3/27 6:30還沒到,所以你什麼還沒做
即使明天過了,你也只是去過凱道一趟而已。
真正的"關懷同情受害人家屬",等你哪天先做到了,再來要求其他團體啊~
2010-03-27 @ 00:40
迴響 from: 大貓 [訪問者]
雖然沒辦法出席,
衷心的希望不只明天成功,
明天之後,社會走向更公平的方向。

不是只有明天一天而已,大家加油。
2010-03-27 @ 00:42
迴響 from: 邏輯 [訪問者]
久利生公平,這招不管用了啦!大家都懶得理你了,何況五毛黨的酬勞應該是看發了多少文來計價,不是別人罵了多少次吧!

再說,就算沒人回應你,你也會自己找梗繼續抹黑耍爛的啊!
2010-03-27 @ 00:43
迴響 from: ericc [訪問者]
*****
也想去阿... 可惜在美國...
祝明天成功!!!
2010-03-27 @ 00:47
迴響 from: 台客 [訪問者]
就算只有明天走一趟凱道, 也強過在這裡發文打嘴炮.

3/27與你相約在凱道, 歡迎帶親朋好友一起來!
2010-03-27 @ 00:47
迴響 from: sony [訪問者]
To 假貨九粒

你不能要求別人去做你平時不想做的事。

人權是廢死團的口號,總是要求被害人家屬原諒和同情凶手, 卻不願對被害人家屬付出一些關懷, 好像自己做不到在踢皮球一樣。

大多數人民不願原諒死刑犯,廢死團卻威脅. 欺騙, 撒謊, 只為了達到目的. 甚至於要求總統特赦 !! ( 特赦是無罪釋放 )

廢死人士所做的就是廢死,說的比唱的好聽。
2010-03-27 @ 00:49
迴響 from: 久利生公平 [訪問者] · http://shianzen.pixnet.net/blog/post/1094402
To Sony
你隨便舉個「總是要求被害人家屬原諒和同情凶手」「廢死團卻威脅. 欺騙, 撒謊」證明來瞧瞧
不然很抱歉必須把你歸為嘴砲派的了(包括嘴砲同情受害者家屬)
2010-03-27 @ 01:02
迴響 from: NBA [訪問者] Email
建議朱大,乾脆辦個提修憲的全民活動
把死刑拉到到憲法等級,在增修條文加條1-1條

憲增§1-1
第一項「人民之生存權、工作權及財產權,應予保障,但基於不法侵犯時,不適用之。」
第二項「憲法第十五條停止適用。」

不法是沒有平等的!是沒有自由的!更沒有信賴保護!
要破壞不守規則就是要接受制栽!這樣才能保護守法的一般大眾!

用民意共識來決定未來,憲法就是民意,司法是不可能凌駕於民意之上!
或是把刑法第22章殺人罪搬到憲增1-1內
2010-03-27 @ 01:17
迴響 from: sony [訪問者]
To 假貨九粒

3/27 到凱道來, 你就會聽到.

不然很抱歉, 必須把你歸類為五毛黨了.
2010-03-27 @ 01:22
迴響 from: sony [訪問者]
To NBA:

死囚鍾德樹釋憲 大法官三度駁回

犯下民國90年桃園佳育兒童心算中心縱火案的死刑定讞犯鍾德樹,3度聲請釋憲,大法官也第3度駁回釋憲案、決議不受理,主要理由在於鍾德樹已經申請3次釋憲,但聲明書中都沒有具體指出死刑在客觀上如何牴觸憲法,只是主觀認為刑法有關死刑的規定不當,大法官因而第三度駁回這項聲請。

..............

死刑並不違憲, 所以不必修憲.

2010-03-27 @ 01:28
To Sony
別忘了你們現在要拉人啊
提點令人信服的證明嘛, 不然怎麼吸引人
對我來說在馬路上聽故事不是什麼實質關懷會讓我有罪惡感
應該會上傳youtube吧,我看影片就好~
2010-03-27 @ 01:32
迴響 from: NBA [訪問者] Email
是不違憲,不過等級提升後,功力會大增!
2010-03-27 @ 01:33
迴響 from: Maverick [訪問者]
希望大家能以實際行動支持幫助受害人家屬
去那裡支持是一個辦法
但是更遠大的目標應該還是在消滅及減少犯罪上
久利生謝謝你提共不同的觀點讓我有另外思考的方向
2010-03-27 @ 02:01
迴響 from: Ray [訪問者]
*****
Wish I can go, but am in Los Angeles. I'm with you guys in spirit
2010-03-27 @ 02:13
迴響 from: 台客 [訪問者]
Maverick,

這裡大概只有你會去思考久利生公平的觀點, 也期待你把思考後的心得跟大家分享一下, 不然實在太像影分身了.

再遠大的目標, 都要從第一步開始著手, 週六凱道的活動, 就是踏出第一步, 因為以往都沒有人為受害者家屬辦過這樣的活動. 連第一步都不踏出去的話, 再遠大的目標都只是空談啊!

3/27期待你一起來凱道!
2010-03-27 @ 02:24
迴響 from: 鳳凰 [訪問者]
敝人無法到場,但精神與大家同在,為受害者及其家屬集氣
2010-03-27 @ 03:00
迴響 from: GArden [訪問者]
同意
為發起人而反對正義是幼稚的言論

就像為了老師是誰而聽不聽課的國中生一樣
2010-03-27 @ 03:26
迴響 from: yyaots [訪問者]
我看了2100,朱大說得很好!

不在台灣,但支持你們!
2010-03-27 @ 04:38
迴響 from: 諾克斯 [訪問者]
想要改變一個人
就要觀其行聽其言,才能了解他的思路邏輯
才能用他的思路他的話語去和他溝通藉而改變他
因為我們想要改變對方,所以我們必須做的更多
適用於我們的身上,也適用於廢死團體,當然也適用於這個活動
或許很微不足道,但是我們開始了
或許很多人無法持之以恆,但是大家前仆後繼
就在今天晚上,凱道相見
2010-03-27 @ 05:07
迴響 from: 黑暗騎士 [訪問者]
蝙蝠俠是廢死派的,只是他的正義還稱不上是正義
2010-03-27 @ 07:57
迴響 from: X [訪問者]
***--
為什麼扯到蝙蝠俠?

是因為我另一版開的清風俠嗎?

主題不同阿!冏!

我是到了,你是雙面人吧,到現在還沒死透

果然體質不同,摔不死!
2010-03-27 @ 08:45
迴響 from: 強人鐵忠 [訪問者]
我人不能到 但錢到了

不是說用錢就可以假裝我有熱情去參與這件事

而是我打從心裡就想要這麼做

凱道上的大家~希望你們整個活動順利

我的精神與你們同在!
2010-03-27 @ 09:05
迴響 from: 文子布丁 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/TARNKAEWEN
我下午一定會去
2010-03-27 @ 10:05
迴響 from: 巴拉巴拉巴拉 [訪問者]
給 九利生公平
你說[對我來說在馬路上聽故事不是什麼實質關懷]
那麼像我這樣一個國中生 我想站出來幫助關懷 幫助被害人
那我該怎麼做?
我沒有很多資源 我只能在馬路上聽故事 只能發E-MAIL讓更多人知道
但還是謝謝你的各種疑問 那讓我在找到解答之後更認同 反對廢除死刑 的想法
2010-03-27 @ 10:37
迴響 from: 月下之霧 [訪問者]
給那位久利生
我想廢除死刑絕不代表酒給死刑犯無罪的空間
其實我個人倒是想知道若你是法官

這44位死刑犯 你所下的判決是什麼 理由又是什麼
2010-03-27 @ 14:59
迴響 from: 歷史邪家 [訪問者] Email · http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/draco-liu
上個星期就決定今天會到現在,雖然到現在才有空寫上
我會去,我同學也會去
因為這是個有意義的活動
2010-03-27 @ 15:25
迴響 from: 隨風 [訪問者]
我是非常不贊同廢除死刑

妳一廢

人道何在?

為什麼要我們原諒殺害自己最重要的人的兇手?

如果換成是我們去殺他們的人呢?

立場是不是不一樣了?



最近看過重案對決

再來看廢除死刑

我才知道

人會轉變不是沒有原因的

妳殺了人

就該付出應有的代價

這個世界上

沒有任何理由

也沒有任何權力來處決一個人的生死

2010-03-27 @ 15:26
迴響 from: shouri [訪問者]
法律沒有逼人殺人,不想殺人的人,可以不幹法務部長,不幹法官,不幹司法警察。但是,當你拿了國家的俸祿,你就必須執行國家法律命令你做的事,也就是殺人!懂嗎?
就跟軍人一樣,身為法務部長,身為法官,身為司法警察,你最重要的責任就是為了保衛國家而殺人!!記住!!!沒有人拿槍逼你做這個工作!
2010-03-27 @ 15:34
樓上等於是說可以接受殺人的再去應徵司法警察工作,聽起來真是畸形啊

To 隨風
「你一廢
人道何在?」

是聽誰說人道=殺人?坐監為什麼不是人道?我看想殺人真是的是有一百種理由可以殺人。

上面那個蝙輻俠的例子非常非常好,寧願撞壁也不會撞死小丑,幾億美金的成本沒有白花。

晚上集會家裡有小孩的可以帶去,跟小朋友說蝙蝠俠是錯的,再壞的人是不能關的要殺掉才行啊。

教育孩子在極度憤怒下的連殺人都合理(就因為'殺人償命'號稱是天經地義),很多事就能變合理了例如:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo9l_Xb7-u0
XD
2010-03-27 @ 15:57
迴響 from: 8503 [訪問者] Email
to 樓上廢物
自我感覺良好也挺爽的吧
眼睛閉著就以為全世界都沒明眼人
搞不清楚重點在哪的人
吃火鍋都會吃到烙賽
2010-03-27 @ 16:40
迴響 from: 依法行政 [訪問者]
九立說過只要發起人換個人, 就算集會上有人牽涉到死刑議題, 他也會支持, 他根本只是反對發起人罷了, 別跟這種把個人恩怨報復放在幫助受害者之上的人說教吧, 事非不分, 又怎能跟他說理?
2010-03-27 @ 16:42
迴響 from: 哇勒 [訪問者]
蝙蝠俠之所以沒有當場殺了小丑
是因為小丑尚未得到公平的審判
不是因為小丑即使作惡多端
還不能宰了他
好嗎
2010-03-27 @ 17:24
迴響 from: 一些心得 [訪問者]
看完2100全民開講
我心中有個想法
以前有部電影敘述死刑犯在執刑之前
有的受刑人到場槍決之前還會腳軟
這是給他們的一個合理處罰
也是給受害者的交待
萬一廢除死刑
那以後的犯罪人想說沒死刑
進去之後等個大選都有個特赦
還說不定能出獄...變成給犯罪人有更好的保護傘
對我們這些老百性不就造成更大威脅
生命誰來保護
以後出個殺人魔 他難道不會想說反正都廢死刑 沒在怕的 殺一個算一個
死也是活到死 不必被槍決
對那些被害者與受害者心靈的傷痛更加痛苦
反對廢除死刑的那些人還是真有大愛

2010-03-27 @ 18:02
迴響 from: 台客 [訪問者]
這裡就留給久利生公平去玩吧! 反正他會開一堆影分身來演雙簧, 不會寂寞的! 哈!

大家會場見!

2010-03-27 @ 18:12
迴響 from: 殺氣的阿虫 [訪問者]
感冒調養中,

只能希望活動順利圓滿~~~~
2010-03-27 @ 19:03
迴響 from: 益丞 [訪問者]
因為被殺所以殺人,因為殺人所以被殺。
聽起來很蠢沒錯!
但是..若一部份人的不幸可以給其他人帶來警惕

那就有必要去執行。
擄人勒索不傷害被害人就不判重刑
下場就是壞蛋都很好心的對待被害人
然後好人就只好整日怕被擄去..
2010-03-27 @ 19:04
「以後出個殺人魔 他難道不會想說反正都廢死刑 沒在怕的 殺一個算一個 」

如果有死刑,殺了被槍斃就能早死早超生,殺一個是死殺二個也死不如殺一個算一個。這更加成立。

所以說必死團傢伙舉例問題一大堆。

不說了,湯滾了,今天要試試蛋包肉的口感嚕~

2010-03-27 @ 19:12
迴響 from: 豬哥彬教授阿!! [訪問者]
豬哥彬教授阿!!

不要躲在女生宿舍酗酒啦!
又自拍貼在部落格啦!!

莊作彬 你缺300萬,可以跟豬哥亮商量一下,他一定很樂意幫你的啦!

不要想不開啦!
2010-03-27 @ 19:54
中場休息一下,靠,牛頭牌瞬間就被嗑掉三罐了~
2010-03-27 @ 20:06
迴響 from: 宅院醫療勞工 [訪問者]
昨天值班沒辦法趕場
希望此時此刻在現場的人潮能夠很熱鬧
(有沒有轉播可以看啊?)
能夠稍微喚醒冷漠已久的公民意識
2010-03-27 @ 21:00
To 勞工
呃…昨天值班?
2010-03-27 @ 21:15
迴響 from: kim [訪問者]
不管怎麼說。。。從被害人的角度來想。。。槍斃掉那些人才是給被害者家屬一個積極迎向未來的路吧。。。失去最摯愛的家人的傷痛沒那麼容易撫平。。。記憶沒那麼容易忘記。。當一個殺掉你最愛的人的兇手。。並沒有得到該有的懲罰。。。你又如何能安心的迎向下一個未來。。。當你想到傷害你的寶貝的人。。沒有受到該有的懲罰。。這種傷痛。。又是一個關心。。一個補償。。可以讓他積極的度過後半輩子嗎?
如果他沒有受到懲罰。。那當你想到你最摯愛的人的時候。。你又如何面對那張午夜夢迴時那張曾經美麗的臉呢?。。那這些家屬。。又如何能開心的。。度過一生呢?
那是種愧疚啊!
所謂的人權阿。。就是這樣折磨著這些可憐的人嗎?
所謂的補償。。就是這麼的殘忍嗎?
比起那些死刑犯。。我們更該給這些受害人家屬。。一個重生的機會不是嗎?
2010-03-27 @ 21:49
迴響 from: Sasa [訪問者]
*****
今天的凱道,非常有意義而平靜。
無關死刑存廢,無關政治,大家真的是發自內心在傳遞溫暖,我很慶幸自己參與其中。
謝謝朱宅和現場所有的義工.工作人員。
2010-03-27 @ 22:14
迴響 from: 豆媽 [訪問者]
***--
活動雖結束了,但是其實才是開始而已
希望可以藉由網路,讓更多當天沒辦法參予活動的人,都可以聽到他們的故事
我沒有機會可以到現場,但是我真的很想認識了解他們
2010-03-27 @ 22:20
迴響 from: loeawei [訪問者]
上班中 趕不過去
各位加油
請給這些受苦難的家屬最深最溫暖的擁抱
告訴他們:
你們並不孤單
你們不會是一個人
有社會各角落的人與你們站在一起


2010-03-27 @ 22:21
迴響 from: 黑色惡夢 [訪問者]
當初2009/7/25
阿宅反抗軍在信義區誓師的時候,

誓師的前幾天

有位自稱無名的網友說了以下的話,

"根本不懂ACG 還忝然不恥的自稱是宅神
連自己的活動跟FF撞期都不知道
宅神?
宅什麼宅 我宅你老母!"

結果當天朱大揭露了
自己為何要在此時辦這場誓師大會,

當天是一位男子漢Randy Pausch的忌日,

朱大是為了紀念他而特別辦了這場活動。

而今天有個檢察官,說了很多風涼話。

但是,

今天有去會場的人,
都知道我們是為了什麼辦這場活動。
都知道我們將為受害者及其家屬作什麼。

久利生,
您可以吃火鍋,
可以吃掉三罐沙茶醬,
而我們,
將會為過去的受害人,
現在的受害人,
未來的受害人,
作出一點微薄的事情。
2010-03-27 @ 22:37
迴響 from: 不代表結束 [訪問者]
剛參加完活動回到家,請大家記得活動結束不代表我們要做的事結束;相反的.......我們要做的才-正-要-開-始
大家一起加油
共勉之
2010-03-27 @ 22:47
迴響 from: yumio [訪問者]
很慶幸來參加了今天的活動!
希望大家的怒吼震撼了總統府XD
被害人家屬加油!!
台灣加油!!
2010-03-27 @ 22:49
迴響 from: 廢死是王道 [訪問者]
到家啦~~

現場好像只有我這白痴沒帶外套~哈

不過感受大家良善的心帶來的溫暖

寒意全消啦

接下來就是男子漢的承諾啦!!
2010-03-27 @ 23:14
迴響 from: 路過的惡魔 [訪問者]
雖然現場在下的眼睛熱到快流出汗
不過為了將受害者的經歷和受害者家人的挫折銘記在心
還是很努力忍住了.....
不說了,大哭去.....
p.s.不過在下當然也不會忘記男人間的承諾!

另外
樓上的前輩應該是"反廢死是王道"吧?
2010-03-27 @ 23:24
迴響 from: 小a [訪問者] · http://fanfran.pixnet.net/blog
因為住得遠而先離席,
但心中的激動卻依然不能平息,
被害者家屬所承受的痛,
在今天之後成為參與集會者的痛,
希望今天的聚會不只是一個集會,
而是一個火種, 點燃台灣人的熱情,

至於在家睡翻, 在15歲前都不會有新褲褲的的朱小胖,
阿姨在這裡謝謝你阿爸和你的付出與犧牲,
我想以你宅神的血統,
長大後的你應該會拍拍你阿爸的肩膀說
"阿爸! 幹得好啊!!"
2010-03-27 @ 23:25
迴響 from: 恐龍 [訪問者] · http://www.facebook.com/dinosimon
今天會後握到了何爸爸的手,很溫暖,很有力。

各位受害者家屬(其實也是受害者),我們與你們同在。
2010-03-27 @ 23:32
迴響 from: 樹 [訪問者]
您好,今天,我在凱達格蘭大道上和您初識,
聽說您喜歡郭富城,我也是耶!

十年後的現在,他一樣帥,
還多了成熟男人的迷人;
他一樣努力,還擺脫偶像,風風光光拿了兩屆金馬獎影帝;
他一樣有魅力,創下世界記錄的演唱會舞台及華麗的內容讓他贏得「舞台王者」之譽。

我好希望能夠跟你討論這些,
如果你不是請假了,或許我們會一起尖叫、一起進電影院,
一起用他的努力精神鼓舞遇到逆境而頹喪的自己。

郭富城以「三叉口」拿到第一座金馬獎最佳男主角的時候說:「不管在事業的高潮還是低潮,我從來沒有離開過......」
你請假後,你的家人從未離開過,
而今天以後,無論社會安祥和樂或混亂失序,
我做了承諾,我會和該有公義站在一起,不會離開。

晚安,認識你真好,雅玲~

樹2010/3/27



2010-03-27 @ 23:41
迴響 from: 久利生公平 [訪問者]
家屬很令人同情
但又不是讓兇手逍遙法外
請問跟總統府怒吼什麼?
2010-03-27 @ 23:46
迴響 from: 久利生公平 [訪問者]
好棒啊,又賺五毛了!
2010-03-27 @ 23:49
迴響 from: 路人甲 [訪問者]
久利生:

你賺這種黑心錢,怕不怕被天打雷劈?
2010-03-27 @ 23:54
迴響 from: 噗芮 [訪問者]



如果需要的話 我願意捐一條褲子給小朋友
2010-03-27 @ 23:59
迴響 from: 闇夜の公爵 [訪問者] · http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/fight0083
恭喜參加活動的大家,活動圓滿成功,各位網路上的鄉民們,大家的奮起是這次活動成功的原因~在現場我感受到前所未有的感動,希望政府真的能夠正視、希望朱大這輩子可以不要再辦這樣活動了,看受害者家屬們站在台上泣訴一切的過望,真的只有不捨…
各位,硬起來加油吧~
2010-03-28 @ 00:00
迴響 from: OTAKU [訪問者]
今天人真多^^ 本來有點擔心怕人很少 晚上六點半 一閃神 後面都是人..
2010-03-28 @ 00:06
迴響 from: 小花 [訪問者] · http://www.babyhome.com.tw/ariel0709
今天很高興能..
聆聽他們的故事
我想近3000名的人群出現在凱格蘭..
只單純的想讓受害家屬們知道..你們並不孤單..
我們會一直跟你站在一起..幫你"撐腰"的
大家一直為更美好的明天一起加油吧!
===============================
謝謝..
今天最辛苦的每位義工及工作人員..
當然還有正義的朱大跟要光屁股15年的朱小胖喔^^..


2010-03-28 @ 00:06
迴響 from: 台客 [訪問者]
大家辛苦了! 我們以實際的行動證明, 這社會上還是有人願意站出來關心受害者家屬的, 這比只會打嘴炮吃火鍋還搬一堆說詞替自己辯護的人強太多了. 這次的活動只是第一步, 未來要幫受害者家屬做的事情還很多, 大家繼續加油吧!
2010-03-28 @ 00:07
迴響 from: OTAKU [訪問者]
那種來亂的就不要理牠了XD
2010-03-28 @ 00:16
迴響 from: 死刑犯的人權? [訪問者]
*----
死刑犯的人權,那被他們殺死的那些人的人權又在哪?那家屬認屍的畫面和恐佈的回憶那是一輩子的,誰又為他們撨平?是那些號稱人權至上的律師嗎?自認隊不食人間煙火高高在上的人權人士嗎?沒有遇過最親的家人遇到這種事無法體認心中最深的痛!我支持反對廢除死刑!死刑犯的人權早在他們要殺人之前早就自己放棄!
2010-03-28 @ 00:22
迴響 from: 路過的惡魔 [訪問者]
To 小a:
放心吧,最後祈福用蠟燭的火焰雖然會熄滅
但在我們心裡的火焰是不滅的

2010-03-28 @ 00:25
迴響 from: 小哥hunt [訪問者]
晚上,看到大家為了相同的理念,一同坐在凱達格蘭大道上靜靜聆聽著,我也是在網路上輾轉得知今天這個活動,而有幸與大夥兒一起在現場。

空氣是冷的、柏油路是硬的,但我感受到現場的每一位,心都是熱的。
2010-03-28 @ 00:26
迴響 from: someone [訪問者]
加油!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
我也反廢死
心同在!!!
2010-03-28 @ 00:28
迴響 from: 啥會 [訪問者]
雖然我不反對廢死(也不反對執死)
但看酒力生公平的發言
除了發廢言搞破壞以外
看不出有什麼高明的地方
可能正牌反社會人士
呸~
2010-03-28 @ 00:33
迴響 from: 豬哥彬教授阿!! [訪問者]
豬哥彬教授阿!!

不要躲在女生宿舍酗酒啦!
又自拍貼在部落格啦!!

莊作彬 你缺300萬,可以跟豬哥亮商量一下,他一定很樂意幫你的啦!

不要想不開啦!
2010-03-28 @ 00:34
迴響 from: 白色七號 [訪問者] Email · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/white07
今晚的聚會很棒
朱宅辛苦了
義工辛苦了
所有工作人員辛苦了
受害者家屬們更是辛苦了!
我相信這場晚會會發酵成強大的力量
這是我的火
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/white07/12257436
是從這場晚會接來的
盼望能一個一個繼續接出去
2010-03-28 @ 00:47
迴響 from: 廢死是王道 [訪問者]
TO路過的惡魔

男子漢是把想法放在行動上不是暱稱上啦~~哈哈

(難道我打算去廢死聯盟臥底也要告訴你?)
2010-03-28 @ 00:49
迴響 from: MR.左手 [訪問者]
*****
假檢察官:

沒人對總統府怒吼!大家只是說出心聲吧了!


更何況,如果怒吼說不定會被你們扣個大帽子


說不定你還會想要立刻羈押大家,因為你讀的是兩蔣時代的刑事訴訟法!

大家可不要繼續密切注意司法院的各種動向,畢竟公益團體是無孔不入的!

2010-03-28 @ 00:56
迴響 from: MR.左手 [訪問者]
噢!糟糕出包了

我是說

要密切注意司法院的動向

公益團體真的是無孔不入,尤期是由法律相關專家組成的公益團體是很厲害的!
2010-03-28 @ 00:58
令人欣慰是沒有走調的活動(可以不必算上我監督的功勞)
但依然不太欣賞藉由悲情氣氛偷灌水的行為

To 小花
「今天很高興能..
聆聽他們的故事
我想近3000名的人群出現在凱格蘭..」
民視說上千人,我從照片粗估也差不多近千人,是誰說3000人的.....連中途離場的都算入?


還有不是有人曾說過下列的話,今晚會聽到:
「總是要求被害人家屬原諒和同情凶手」「廢死團卻威脅. 欺騙, 撒謊」
真相在哪呢?


2010-03-28 @ 01:21
迴響 from: 紐約36度天氣晴 [訪問者]
在國外的麻煩,就是沒有辦法參加這個活動

看到自稱久利生公平的人的留言,我是有點感觸
這位小弟,有點對不起久利生公平這個名字
久利生公平是個檢察官(沒錯吧?)
檢察官最基本職責 是代表被害人
不管這個被害人是國家 團體 或是個人
檢察官一定是站在受害者的立場
正如同辯護律師一定是站在被告的立場一樣
檢察官站在受害者的立場 出面進行法律活動
不管正義與否 不論真理如何
立場就是立場 不能替被告爭取最大利益的辯護律師就是失職 不能替被害者爭取公道的檢察官就是失敗
這個 就是專業的必須基礎

久利生公平是個檢察官 而且是個讓人(觀眾)認同 堅持正義公道信念 為受害者努力的檢察官
我不認為這位自稱此名的小弟有這樣的立場
所以我認為他對不起這個名字
如果他用這個名字的目的是因為景仰"HERO"的久利生公平的話

這個活動的目的 是為了受害者 至少至少 請站在受害者的立場看看這世界

或許有些發言的目的只是為了激起其他人來爭論
那最好的方法就是停止回應 不需要為了鬥嘴鼓而鬥嘴鼓 這不是這個地方的目的

心與受害者家屬同在
2010-03-28 @ 01:26
迴響 from: 小a [訪問者]

雖然小a阿姨留了正經留言,
但身為阿宅夫妻檔的成員,
忍不住把洗澡想到的場景上來跟朱小胖分享:
15歲又4個月的朱小胖對朱大敬禮:
爸爸大人, 15年前的承諾真是漂亮是也!!


光是這畫面我就笑很久,
而且我也決定要我久call1不來的小孩以後一定要叫我媽媽大人~~~
ps這裡留搞笑留言會被刪嗎?!
ps2我的聆聽故事也寫完了的說,X的!又偷滴兩滴眼油.....
2010-03-28 @ 01:36
"Hero"裡的久利生做法一定是這樣:
私底下一邊了解受害人的生活(是了解生活而不是看著照片問亡者喜歡吃什麼),一邊鬥志在心裡燃起。回到工作崗位上才展開反擊直到惡人束手被擒。

"Hero"裡的久利生絕不會把家屬推出來用傷痛當工具。

而且不好意思,我也不是"Hero"裡那一個~

2010-03-28 @ 01:42
迴響 from: 阿晟 [訪問者] · http://www.wretch.cc/blog/justin670713
這幾個禮拜~每每看到這些文章 , 總是忍不住落淚

有時看新聞
一些命案發生
當時會覺得震驚
對於受害者感到同情,不忍心
對於受害者感到可惡
但在現今忙碌的社會
隨著時間流逝,我們漸漸就淡忘了;
對受害者家屬所受的痛苦和煎熬可是一輩子啊!
2010-03-28 @ 01:46
迴響 from: Ella [訪問者]
我是個不熱衷參與活動的人。老實說,今天是我第一次參加聚會,感覺還不錯。
現場來的人數比我想像中的多,而且秩序井然。

雖然有些故事之前就在電視機前看到過,但是在現場聆聽他們的故事,感受還是很不同的。尤其是聽到何海新先生在講何佳燕小姐的故事,講到最後欲罷不能,情緒有點激動起來,還真擔心老人家身體承受不住,唉……感受得到他的委屈,真的。

希望這些受害者家屬可以感受到他們並不是孤軍奮戰,社會上有一股力量正在支持著他們,也希望他們能早日走出傷痛。
2010-03-28 @ 01:47
迴響 from: Ella [訪問者]
久利生公平

你該適可而止了!
2010-03-28 @ 01:50
迴響 from: 久利生公平 [訪問者]
大家好~~
久利生公平分身很多喔
不要理上面那個
貼大家都看過的網址又冒我名
好意思嗎??
2010-03-28 @ 01:59
迴響 from: 哈哈 [訪問者]
不用再回玖立的話了
會害怕的網蟲廢人一個
要鬧很多人奉陪
80%反廢死可不是假民調
2010-03-28 @ 02:06
迴響 from: 小花 [訪問者] · http://www.babyhome.com.tw/ariel0709
to:久利生公平
看到人心醜惡的自己你不會想要吐嗎..
(你不用回答我,因為這不是疑問句)
如果你說近千人..我不會不服氣..
因為你沒來所以我不會理會你的數字..
但我說近3000人..你如果不服氣的話..
那下次朱大辦活動,就來跟我數人頭吧!
怎樣膽小鬼?
2010-03-28 @ 02:10
迴響 from: 邏輯 [訪問者]
久利生公平你監督個屁!明明活動前你每篇發文都一口咬定這會是個推動死刑大會,現在活動舉行過了,就跟大家之前說的一樣,只是聽聽受害者家屬的心聲,你又馬上改口說是因為你監督的關係?

你唯一可以算是強項的地方,就是你的不要臉!
2010-03-28 @ 02:14
迴響 from: 廢死是王道 [訪問者]
令人欣慰是久利生公平知道火鍋要沾牛頭牌(可以不必算上我推薦的功勞,因為我沒有)
但依然不太欣賞中場休息的行為
火鍋就是要一口氣吃到底

To 久利生公平
「民視說上千人,我從照片粗估也差不多近千人,是誰說3000人的.....連中途離場的都算入?」
其實只去了12個人跟3條狗,其他2988人士我開影分身分出來的,民視拍的時候剛好查克拉不夠,只分了一千人出來,現在查克拉都用完了,好累喔!補個幹~


還有不是有人曾說過下列的話,今晚吃火鍋:
「不說了,湯滾了,今天要試試蛋包肉的口感嚕~」「中場休息一下,靠,牛頭牌瞬間就被嗑掉三罐了~ 」
靠,只有湯、蛋包肉、牛頭牌就說是火鍋,洞拎杯沒吃過火鍋嗎?
真相在哪呢?
2010-03-28 @ 02:16
迴響 from: sony [訪問者]
To 假九粒


沒去的人當然聽不見 .......... 廢話
2010-03-28 @ 02:16
迴響 from: 小花 [訪問者] · http://www.babyhome.com.tw/ariel0709
啊!忘了載明是..
只會打嘴砲的膽小鬼..
一起來數術..就不用擔心我灌水啦!
2010-03-28 @ 02:16
迴響 from: 大叮噹 [訪問者]
剛剛才回到台中

流出的鼻水,不知道是因為眼淚還是寒冷

懺悔+血尿控訴一下,現場發的蠟燭真的是暗器!

當全場都在為受害者默哀三分鐘

台下有個白痴卻因為蠟油灑了滿手而幹聲連連......
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補個插曲

小弟的旁邊坐著一位父親
他帶著自己的小朋友一起來參與

其實剛開始我很不爽
因為那個死小孩在一直在旁邊拼命製造噪音!
伊~阿~嗚~耶~碰~

後來他應該也玩累了,就慢慢安靜下來

當林安順小隊長的女兒在台上述說

她很想,但是卻無法像一般家庭一樣,有父親可以帶領她走過紅毯、參與她的人生

那個小朋友就抬起頭來,問他爸爸
「為什麼呢?」

小孩子直接又天真的問題,令他爸爸久久不能回答

我的眼睛也不爭氣的流了幾滴汗

只希望那個死小孩可以永遠不用親身體會到這個問題的答案.
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希望我們不用再為了被害者家屬沒有受到適切的對待而走上街頭

活動雖然結束了,但需要努力的事情才正要開始
2010-03-28 @ 02:17
迴響 from: MR.左手 [訪問者]
*****
大家去主動關心受害者不是單純因為主流民意反廢死

而是因為當主流民意反廢死,家屬應有的關懷作不到!教化與保護的措施不足.....

基本的做不到,廢死的最大主導者,竟然就是司法院本身

行政部門自己成立公益團體,大開門戶,跑去簽訂與外國的公約,玩弄司法跟立法!

所以今天大家才會因為這樣子的生氣!

之前就問過同樣的問題!人民最期望的就是安居樂業!試問該做的措施推展 該有的法規之定

幾乎都沒做,就急著跟國外比賽!這種心態實在讓人可議!也很可惡!那些事務官根本是尸位素餐

希望今天過後大家能夠繼續去監督他們,別忘了玩弄文字跟法律邏輯本來就是這些專家的專長!
2010-03-28 @ 02:40
迴響 from: 久利生公平 [訪問者]
我們在幫你賺這種黑心錢啊,你有意見嗎?

嘿,嘿,久利生寶寶,你今天又賺了多少黑心錢?
2010-03-28 @ 02:41
迴響 from: 糸色 代 [訪問者]
大夥怎麼對沒有人的地方在罵? ㄜ...我一直都沒看到說。
2010-03-28 @ 03:18
迴響 from: marsman [訪問者]
*****
這個世界上有很醜陋的東西,但它的存在只會更突顯出美麗的燦爛
2010-03-28 @ 04:00
迴響 from: nautilus [訪問者]
我在南部,沒有辦法去,但我會持續支持這項活動,包括捐款。
2010-03-28 @ 04:22
迴響 from: 黑球 [訪問者]
*****
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2010-03-28 @ 04:50
迴響 from: Mr.Q [訪問者]
恩...在下因為必須趕車回嘉義所以9點鐘與大家一同為無辜受害者默哀完後便不得不離開會場了。 

昨晚風實在頗強導致小小的燭火熄滅了不少次。要借火又因為覺得蠟油滴在馬路上會很難清所以索性便直接倒在手上才去借火。幸好是低溫蠟天氣又冷所以溫溫的不會燙而且沒幾下就乾了XD

受害者家屬們。很抱歉我們與這個社會到現在才真正聽見了你們的聲音。而我想昨天晚上的活動只是一個開始。一個與絕望不再只是孤軍奮戰的開始。
2010-03-28 @ 07:50
迴響 from: 久利生公平 to 久利生公平 [訪問者] · http://blogs.myoops.org/lucifer.php/2010/03/06/spring

來講一下那個自稱久利生公平的(人?) 好了
免得大家還要浪費自己的時間來回應他
因為他的心裡狀態處於極度的自我陶醉
大家的回文會讓他很開心
他會一直打槍喝順便喝珍奶(混在一起?)


很多人都知道
其實原諒是一種自我療傷的過程
因為不管有多恨一個人
被恨那個人都是不痛不癢
痛苦卻會累積在心中有恨的人身上
所以我們知道受害者的家人心中的痛苦
我們會希望他們漸漸的放下
不用再那麼痛苦

久利生公平厲害之處
在於他早就跳過了我們心疼"受害者家屬所受的痛苦"這個過程
他覺得 被害者家屬心中的痛苦
都是被害者家屬自己的過錯
這些最愛的人被害的人 理所當然要讓自己成長
只要兇手可以開口說 我錯了 我後侮了
這時候所有的被害者家屬心中
就要充滿著愛與溫暖
很開心的接納兇手
完全的原諒兇手

久利生公平心中充滿著這樣的感動
感覺到自己的偉大
如果有被害者家屬做不到
他就會覺得他們野蠻 無情
因為他完完全全感受到兇手後悔了
他也完全原諒兇手(咦? 到底是誰的家人受害了)
兇手是因為社會對他們不好才這樣的
社會要完全的接納他們

久利生公平覺得被害者家屬做錯事了
( 久利生公平心中大喊著 你們的寬恕到那裡去了?)
理所當然的 他們會覺得傷害被害者家屬去站在兇手的身邊
也是他心中的正義
大家可以想像一下他心中的滿足感
感覺自己像聖人一樣
那種興奮 恐怕不需要打槍就可以混一大堆(謎物?)到珍奶裡了


至於有人會想質疑久利生公平和王清峰
如果自己的親人被殺死的話
他們會怎麼樣?
在這裡可以幫大家釋疑一下
答案是:真的不怎麼樣
心中充滿陶醉和完全的自我感覺良好
早就讓他們不在乎這些了

更何況
這種重視自己親人和想守護某個人的心情
對久利生公平和某個幫自己在地獄預約位子的人來講
說不定根本就不存在啊
我們幫他們擔心就有點太多餘了
2010-03-28 @ 08:39
迴響 from: 彤彤 [訪問者]
對不起~我沒能到場~~但我絕對支持你們:)
2010-03-28 @ 09:22
迴響 from: 高大全 [訪問者]
不好意思,我有個提議.

雖然活動已經結束了,但為了展現我們的決心,是否能設計一個像紅絲帶之類的Logo,讓支持的部落格版主可以放在部落格上,做為我們持續支持這個活動的象徵?
2010-03-28 @ 10:13
迴響 from: 石 [訪問者]
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台灣沒有完善的受害者家屬保護或輔導團體,不論是否廢死刑,對於受害人家屬,除了塞錢之外,還做了什麼?Google一下,現在台灣似乎只有被害人保護協會在從事相關工作,是否應該多成立社工團體來處理?

廢除死刑與否和受害人家屬保護不一定是相衝的目標,廢除死刑也不是把犯人放出來任他亂跑,如果要廢除死刑,應該要求政府修法終生監禁不得假釋特赦大赦,以及加強對犯罪被害人及家屬的保護(其實這項應該不論是否廢死都要做的)

我非常認同朱大願意傾聽被害人家屬的努力,但不應和是否廢除死刑混為一談。可以上Ptt2的8A版看看有關廢除死刑的論點,至少廢除死刑的論點也並非全然不可取的。
2010-03-28 @ 11:00
迴響 from: MR.左手 [訪問者]
*****
剛起床沒多久,上來看看新聞是怎麼報導的,果然你仔細看,廢死團開始有動靜了

他們很厲害,巧妙的把問題帶回來要殺還是不殺

我覺得他們很瞧不起我們,好像我們都沒在做功課

甚至有非法學的學者竟然跟他們一起胡亂說話

主題不是在於反廢死,而是在於受害者的感受

而且就算提到也是針對應執行而未執行者,這些都是在於早已定獻多年的案件,公約也沒有說非暫停不可,每次都是司法院自己表明要槍下留人,為什麼學者可以胡亂發言!


更何況法律的制定明明就是立法權,現在行政利用法規漏洞跨越了司法與立法,這不是踐踏我們老百姓是什麼?


玩弄文字的那幾個,你們什麼時候跟著王清峰一起下地獄,我們不會殺你的,因為你沒資格被殺,但是我祈禱你周遭一定會發生天災人禍,至少全家死光光!
2010-03-28 @ 11:06
迴響 from: 石 [訪問者]
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剛看了八卦版的文,看來和新聞報導有不小差距,重點放在被害人家屬保護是正確,反廢死看來是媒體另外加上去的。
2010-03-28 @ 11:10
迴響 from: 正義鬥士 [訪問者]
*****
一群假衛道學者常提的一句話:「執行死刑不能減少重大犯罪」,但這些人卻故意不提「不執行死刑會增加更多重大刑案」。這是那門子所人權團體??????
2010-03-28 @ 11:14
迴響 from: 科科 [訪問者]
我都用很娛樂的態度看那些跑來亂的小丑,牠們真是熱情的演出啊~~
真是每一句話都是笑點,很難有比你們弱智的言論了 XD
加油~~不要太早放棄在這裡挨罵的喜悅啊~~
世界上真的很少有這種跑來別人家求別人罵們的變態了科科科
2010-03-28 @ 11:18
迴響 from: MR.左手 [訪問者]
*****
to 石

事實上一直把議題帶向殺與不殺的就是廢死團,在這裡到目前為止一共有四個版討論類似的問題,很早就有人說到,人權無關廢死!

而且44個死刑槍決,與廢死更是無相關,這四四算是他們的業績!(不要跟我說妳不覺得,這擺明就是他們在搶業績,因為這樣子才能顯現他們的神聖跟神通廣大)

尤其是他們主推的終身監禁,就算最終要廢死,也不會是現在,現階段廢死無必要,大家也不贊同,應該是朝向死刑的功能更限縮,終身監禁的功能加強!而且之前也有人強調現在的假釋太容易,分類太隨便!

這些該做的沒做到,我想妳立刻廢死,比較容易想東想西的激進份子不把武器放在身上,絕對不會心安過日子的!
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不要跟我說什麼大家想太多,這些話我知道你是要強調我們是愚民,這種話我們聽多了,專家不就是訓練有素的狗!

講話給我客氣一點,不要太過分
2010-03-28 @ 11:33
迴響 from: sasa [訪問者]
殺該殺的人有這麼難嗎?那些殺人的人都還是這麼囂張.假慈悲的人心就像老鼠一樣,我不指望新任部長曾勇夫會很快執行死刑,他也算是拖延戰術的一顆棋子,如果他不是,早就在上任之際盡快結束那些罪人,他們被定罪還不夠多次嗎?牢裡的米飯吃的還不夠多嗎?現在政府裡會做事的不多了,反倒是膽小的老鼠變多了,老鼠天天昧著良心上電視講大話,哀~台灣這種日子天天都上演著,老鼠何時才能進化~~~?
2010-03-28 @ 11:50
迴響 from: 我只是一個路過的鄉民 [訪問者]
to MR.左手
清者自清,濁者自濁!
說再多也沒有必要!
有沒有昨天晚會的全程錄影可以看?
本來要親眼看看現況的,不過昨天必須去祭拜一名往生者!
2010-03-28 @ 12:09
迴響 from: 北極星 [訪問者]
我也反對廢死刑,沒錯!人權不是給無情ㄉ殺人犯 用的 如果廢死刑,天ㄚ!這是什麼世界ㄚ,沒法制ㄉ世界,砍人.殺人 關進牢裡而已 沒有嚇阻嚴厲ㄉ鐵腕 我完全體會被害家屬ㄉ感受
2010-03-28 @ 13:36
看看,一個愚宅憤怒的心聲
「但是我祈禱你周遭一定會發生天災人禍,至少全家死光光! 」
看得出你很簡單的就是鼓勵憤怒的當下,輕易就要對方死,而且還全家,
國中生等級的正義感而已。


打著關懷同情牌,卻也花許多時間在宣洩不滿上,
事實上,不包含此44位死刑犯,在之前已經槍決的死犯他們造成的受害家庭,好像就不需要關懷了?
事實上,社會上更需要關懷的人數,加起來比凱道上參加這次活動的人數還多,
你們一對一去幫助恐怕還不夠人數,卻可以集中在一起坐著?難怪超過80%參與者都一副學生樣。
不是大人沒愛心,而是大部份人都知道還有更多需要關懷的人在社會各個角落。


這怎麼看就是像全年級參加週會的人數(加上右方不可視區)而不是全校吧?3000人是誰灌水的?
靠夭還有個露齒而笑的,攝影師你在表他嗎?XD
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chord/4468831978/sizes/o/in/set-72157623592204145/
2010-03-28 @ 13:47
迴響 from: 久利生公平 [訪問者]
我又出來騙五毛錢了,驚訝吧?
2010-03-28 @ 14:20
迴響 from: 呼拉圈 [訪問者]
昨天抽空去參加了凱道的活動

原本以為會是有關於死刑的辯論,後來才發現是以被害者家屬為主的分享大會.朱大一開場的時候就說了,這個集會是屬於被害者家屬的聖域,沒有人可以侵犯.大家集結在這裡,只是為了傾聽被害者家屬的聲音,了解他們的傷痛跟需求,就連朱大也只是待在台下串場,主持,不曾踏上舞台一步.

林安順小隊長的姪子跟女兒,娓娓訴說著小隊長小時嚮往著正義,就職後鎮日投身於工作,犧牲了與家人相聚的時間,最後甚至夢想犧牲了生命,但是社會對待他們如此不公,小隊長的女兒-軒如指出:甚至有人冷嘲熱諷,說他們領到大筆的撫卹金,還有什麼不滿足的???然而他們要的只是一個法律承諾的正義.

在預錄的訪談裡,張雅玲小姐的姊妹們,回憶起與她相處的美好時光,臉上仍不時露出微笑,這個活潑大方上進的女子,原本可能擁有一個平凡幸福的人生,然而她的生命卻在20歲的時候被終結.雅玲的姊妹們提起犯人的刑罰無法被執行,讓她們覺得公道不復存在,語氣裡僅餘幾分無奈與失望,淡淡的情緒卻讓人覺得痛心---司法與整個社會虧欠這對姊妹的,難道只是一句道歉嗎??

黃秋閔小姐,雖然得到小兒麻痺,卻仍努力地經營安親班,站在自己的崗位上為社會奉獻,卻遭到加害人以殘忍的手段終結生命,生命結束前最後的一句話是"凱凱,快跑!!!"

何佳燕小姐在何爸爸的敘述裡,從小就是個好學生,長大後跟隨父母的腳步,立志成為優秀的老師,她的生命卻在匪徒手下被殘忍終結,何爸爸憤恨地指責加害人是"惡魔兇手",廢死團體跟阻止死刑的法務部長都是邪惡之徒.

我呼應主辦單位的理念,犯罪影響了被害者跟加害者的人生,但是在死刑議題的討論上,大家卻都著眼在加害者的權益,以及接受懲罰的方式,但卻忽略了被害者的權益,忽略了被害者生命的重量.

正如木村拓哉在一部日劇所說的:死者已經死亡了,沒有人可以為他辯護...

朱大這次別出蹊徑,跳脫了死型的存廢,將被害者的人生呈現在大家的眼前,讓大家親身感受,受害者曾經是活生生的人們,即使毀譽參半,但對周遭的人來說,被害者的生命都有著沉重的份量,也有著無限的可能,但是卻被剝奪了.

被害者遭到殘忍的對待,他們的家屬遭到外界的冷嘲熱諷,在現行制度下,他們甚至必須被迫面對廢死律師團鍥而不捨的一再訴訟與迫害,不但得不到法律承諾的正義,連平靜過生活的權利都被剝奪了.

這樣的法律體系與審理制度,難道不是整個社會對被害者的虧欠嗎??

在討論死刑的存廢之前,難道不應該先針對犯罪被害人及家屬提供更完善的扶助與保護嗎??
2010-03-28 @ 14:31
中國時報【旺旺中時民調中心/台北報導】

死刑存廢風暴依舊餘波盪漾,死刑犯如何依法執行,仍是馬政府未解的課題。根據時報周刊委託旺旺中時民調中心的最新調查顯示,有八四%的人不贊成廢除死刑,五八%的人反對以終身監禁不假釋的方式取代死刑。

此外,有七七%的人認為判決定讞的死刑犯應槍決,支持廢除死刑的聲浪相對微弱。

旺旺中時民調中心於十二日完成針對台灣地區八百六十餘位成人的電話調查發現,有八二%的相信治亂世用重典,死刑的存在可以嚇阻重大犯罪,認為兩者沒有必然關聯,不能畫等號者,占一一%。

而如果以終身監禁不得假釋的方式來代替死刑,雖贊成的比例有所上升,但仍非主流意見。調查指出,有五八%的人不贊成以此種緩死刑的方式取代廢死,覺得此折衷方案,既可永久隔離罪犯,又可兼顧人權者,佔三五%。

判決確定的死刑犯應該執行槍決或暫緩行刑呢?調查顯示,有七七%的人認為台灣是法治國家,死刑既已定讞,就應依法執行,不容存有僥倖空間,可是也有一三%的人希望基於人道因素,槍下留人,暫緩執行。(
2010-03-28 @ 14:35
迴響 from: 銀色奇蹟 [訪問者]
每個人有自己選擇的道路
所以 大家與其在這邊跟某個人奮戰
還不如 忽視他 比較有意義
他就是要很努力的
激怒大家
讓大家跟他回嘴
把議題 一直往衝突面 挑動
妖魔化 有意義的事情

老實說
我猜拉
他應該一點也不在乎
我們怎麼想
他應該一點也不在乎
其他人怎麼想

所以 把生命浪費在更美好的事情上面吧
跟豬摔跤,就算贏了,也是一身泥。而且,既然對方是惡意,也就不會拿你的回應當真的
2010-03-28 @ 14:48
迴響 from: MR.左手 [訪問者]
*****
抱歉我沒有錄影, 一方面是因為我的設備實在比不上現場許多人的設備,我只是老頭一個,使用的手機或者數位相機實在滿老的,我想要等朱大放上去!如果可以用在幫助受害者家屬!我想這更加有意義。

而且因為我晚上10:00鐘必須要跟顧客付約,所以9點左右就先離席了(希望大家能原諒)


致於有人說道我們只保護受害者家屬,我只能說我們這個版的目的不就是如此,你這麼有崇高理想,你可以向朱大提案或者去找大企業老闆提案(畢竟要投入公益或關懷受傷的人,是需要有計劃性的),我們目前就只能做自己該做的事情!

我想大家只能先靜觀其變,看看司法界會不會因為這樣子能夠有所作為。

2010-03-28 @ 14:57
迴響 from: MR.左手 [訪問者]
*****
回應一下呼拉圈

我覺得民眾應該都慢慢發覺提倡終身監禁的方案根本無關於廢死的推展。更何況現在的兇殺案一個比一個兇殘,甚至殺人常常只是因為自己爽不爽。

我覺得人權律師如果去幫那些重大的刑案但未必造成傷亡者辯護我還認為他們是真正關心人權,
例如白米炸彈客案子,問題是!他們幾乎只搞死刑案!讓人看不過去。

我相信大家繼續努力,不要再被他們荒謬的言論去蒙蔽那些還不太明瞭的人

事實上人權誰不注重,但是就像版上許多激動的發言一樣,難道死者跟我們這些還活者的人就沒有人權!就必須被抨擊!這是他們這些公益團體應該要好好去思考跟反省的!

PS如果我上面有提及的事項有缺漏或者有疏失的,請見諒,畢竟小的也是孤陋寡聞,有些事情都是最近才開始去接觸的。
2010-03-28 @ 15:10
迴響 from: Jade [訪問者]
該有個"廢久利生公平"活動了!!!


你的風涼話也說得太多了
多到牛頭變豬頭
你我不須互相回應
2010-03-28 @ 15:15
迴響 from: Ella [訪問者]
是啊,本來就是以保護被害人及其家屬為主,不然呢!
難道我放著書不唸,跑來支持死刑犯!?就算是時間多到沒地方打發也不會這樣做。

廢死律師、學者和死刑犯家屬、工讀生大舉出動也好,這樣他們的無所不用其極的手段,才可以被世人所知,畢竟現在大家都關注著。
律師公會、司改會、廢死聯盟這些人的勢力可說是非常的大,加油吧!各位。
你們所要面對的可不是什麼善類,抹黑、污蔑、騷擾在所難免,不要太介意了,他們現在在打消耗戰,別著了他們的道了,重點還是先放在推動被害人保護上。

左手~~~~別太擔心了,依我不負責任的想法,至少在這六、七年之內是不可能廢除死刑的。
2010-03-28 @ 15:26
我寫好了。
2010-03-28 @ 15:30
迴響 from: MR.左手 [訪問者]
*****
TO Ella

老實說我曾經一度想要放棄學法律相關知識,當然我對刑法的著墨老實說真的事不夠多,因為當你學得越多,就會發覺,人生太晚才開始,而且有些專家就是會利用在學校、政府機關、公益團體....製造進入障礙,去妨礙大家的進展!

舉例來說,上次2100的節目有人竟然把總統的發言拿來罵人"我國法治教育仍不足..."

這是什麼鳥話,另外一邊的教授至少也應該要制止他這種行為,就是因為他們這種心態,我們的法治教育才會這樣子的緩慢進展,大家都想學,問題是光是要弄董法學續論跟憲法的立法精神,其實就需要花很多的精神!

而且我們教育中缺乏法學養成的設計,竟然變成專家說嘴的理由!真是讓人搖頭!


雖然罵了老半天我們也只能一步一步去處理!
我想我們現階段只能關注於有關於保護受害者家屬這個部分!



2010-03-28 @ 15:43
迴響 from: 廢死是王道 [訪問者]
喂~久利生公平

不是跟你說了嗎?

昨天的3000人是影分身~影‧分‧身~~

媽的~我有在打你都沒有在看

從你說出「欣慰、監督」這種關鍵字之後,你的角色就是搞笑配角,懂嗎?

所以孩子,你只要配合說說笑就好了~~


還有左手大大,一個一開始攻擊人家活動的出發點、訴求,後來二轉變成攻擊參加人數來證明別人在虎濫的咖小,哪會是什麼專家?他連自己質疑什麼都搞不太清楚了。

而且哪個專家發言需要加上愚宅、料理來補強自子的嘴砲霸氣才敢說話?拜託,人家艋舺哥上酒家都可以面不改色的說是辦簽名會了,你也強一點好不好?

九利,我看你還是跟我討論火鍋好了,拎杯星期五本來想吃麻辣鍋,後來屈服於表決結果只好去唱歌,然後喝了一堆濫威士忌,害我整個晚上頭痛,不知道這要算不算群眾暴力跟晚餐覇凌?我現在對火鍋有股強烈的怨念。所以,九利哥你還是跟我討論火鍋好了~~
2010-03-28 @ 15:43
迴響 from: 凱晰 [訪問者] · http://blog.nownews.com/yuan_c/
*****
死刑是廉價正義,那廢死不是廉價仁慈嗎?

http://blog.nownews.com/yuan_c/textview.php?file=662263
2010-03-28 @ 15:52
迴響 from: 黑洛特 [訪問者]
*****
從報紙上看到這段:「....李勝雄沉重表示,批評加害人辯護律師,是不了解國內訴訟辯護制度。他們當然關心、同情受害者,但仇恨一直留著,對受害者真的是好嗎?以牙還牙的作法,能讓社會更進步嗎?像二二八受害家屬,追求真相平反、補償,但從沒要蔣介石的後代來代替受懲罰。」

短短一小段話,透露出兩個不太正確的訊息。第一、直接給你戴上一頂「你不懂辯護制度」的無知帽子,而沒有告訴我們我國的辯護制度對於受害者而言真的武器平等嗎?還是說只要目的正確就可以不用介意手段的濫用?第二、這位律師認為,受害者不應該以牙還牙,要放下仇恨,然後舉例說二二八家屬從來沒有要「蔣介石的後代」代替受懲罰云云,我不僅納悶起來,請問這些刑事案件受害者家屬什麼時候要求「犯罪者的家屬」要代替受處罰?他/她們只是卑微的要求「加害者本身」要負法律責任罷了!!舉這種完全不符合語言邏輯的例子,還指責別人不懂法律辯護制度?!

我承認廢除死刑與否,並不是一個簡單的問題,但是如果不用心面對問題對話,而僅是回應:「廉價」、「不懂」甚至「扭曲語言邏輯而錯誤指涉」的話,我要說,還不如不要說話,用心感受一下受害者親人的看法,然後想想為什麼會發生意見歧異?為什麼沒有達成共識?或者為什麼連「不同意但可以接受」的狀態都沒有產生?
2010-03-28 @ 16:11
迴響 from: 拆組達人 [訪問者] · http://blog.iegoffice.com
*----
真是有意義的活動,我排除問難昨天也去了,還寫了一篇文章聲援。希望政府能夠正視被害人與其家屬的權益。我們爭的是人權,受害人的人權,以其所有善良的老百姓應該享有的基本權利。
2010-03-28 @ 16:31
迴響 from: 綜合水果汁武士 [訪問者]
*****

  有點驚訝,基金會現場活動當天竟不收任何捐款,小弟與內人當天下午穿得一身黑提早到場,現在只得乖乖寫劃撥單。

  百感交集,淚也流乾。

  想逃避悲傷的氣氛,聽眾隨時可以選擇離開,當事人卻不行。

  感謝義工,感謝情意相挺的網友(內人與我的分到的康乃馨,目前仍靜靜地插在花瓶裡),感謝朱Sir,感謝朱小胖的褲子...

  受害者家屬,這些日子你們真是辛苦了...
2010-03-28 @ 16:44
迴響 from: Ella [訪問者]
TO 左手

對啊!幹嘛上駟對下駟,還有很多正事要做的,不是嗎?

儘管如此,學法律還是很有用的。
進可攻退可守。以前我也不是讀法律的,不過後來有機會接觸到法律,這些年已把重心全部移到法律上了。教授只是媒介,不好換一個就是了,千萬別讓這些人影響到學習的樂趣。

還有我覺得律師、學者都是靠嘴巴吃飯的,舌燦蓮花、顛倒黑白應該是必備的基本條件(笑),犯不著跟他們生氣。當然我相信還是有性格耿直、正派的律師和學者。
2010-03-28 @ 16:51
迴響 from: 久利生公平 [訪問者] · http://shianzen.pixnet.net/blog/post/1094402
奇怪,還是沒半個必死團成員要提之前已槍決死犯造成的受害家庭要如何關懷幫助他們啊?
為什麼必死團的目的這麼明顯呢?
2010-03-28 @ 17:36
迴響 from: 必死團 [訪問者]
拜託別來亂,已經處決的死刑犯受害者家屬該知足,你們的聲音我不想聽。
這是屬於未處決死犯相關的受害人家屬時刻,所以請你們離遠一點~~
2010-03-28 @ 17:51
迴響 from: 講話 [訪問者]
*****
一個人用自己的言行, 正在為自己所服膺的理念, 進行反投票.

受到傷害的, 應該是廢死團體吧.
2010-03-28 @ 17:59
迴響 from: 講話 [訪問者]
*****
應該是反廢死團體吧!
2010-03-28 @ 18:00
迴響 from: 講話 [訪問者]
*****
所以正確的答案應該是:

這樣一個形象如此不佳的言行, 正在嚴重傷害著廢死團體.
2010-03-28 @ 18:03
下一場可以換陽光一點的主題,建議辦研究股市趨勢宅聚吧,這種事怎麼可以獨樂樂呢?
也許會報名盛況空前,建議持捐款收據的優先入場,既公平又可以制量~

我猜一定又有無聊人士說我又在攻擊,我如果問候朱小胖會被說成攻擊朱小胖,真無奈啊

2010-03-28 @ 18:14
迴響 from: to 必死團 [訪問者]
to 必死團

我不得不說
你恐怕是最近「久利生公平」心中最好的朋友了
你用著他發明的名詞
用他希望你回應的方式回應他

多想想 這種偏激的回應沒什麼意義

更何況 你連他打烏賊戰的主題都沒看懂
加油...
2010-03-28 @ 18:14
迴響 from: 邏輯 [訪問者]
迴響 from: 久利生公平 [訪問者] · http://shianzen.pixnet.net/blog/post/1094402
奇怪,還是沒半個必死團成員要提之前已槍決死犯造成的受害家庭要如何關懷幫助他們啊?
為什麼必死團的目的這麼明顯呢?

久利生公平啊!關心死刑犯不是你們廢死團體一直在做的事嗎?那關心死刑犯的家屬不在你們的服務範圍啊?奇怪了!你前面才發文說不能要求別人去做你平時不想做的事情啊,怎麼馬上又開始要求別人去幫你們做你們根本沒在做的事?

我就說你別再拿著廢死的招牌來反對朱學恆啦!你沒那種信念,就只會造成你發文都漏洞百出、前後矛盾而已!

我看你就乾脆直接去組一個「反朱學恆聯盟」吧!如果你哪天要在凱道辦一個「關心被朱學恆欺負的嘴炮」活動,我也會幫你宣傳的,但會有多少人到場,我就不敢保證了,畢竟網路上的影分身在這種地方是不管用的。
2010-03-28 @ 18:46
迴響 from: 久利升公平 [訪問者]
嗚嗚,我是一個日劇看太多的小阿宅
2010-03-28 @ 18:59
迴響 from: rinoya [訪問者]
*****
希望下次多點宣傳
也希望以後中南部也都有類似活動

善良的聲音不能沉默
2010-03-28 @ 19:04
「關心死刑犯不是你們廢死團體一直在做的事嗎?那關心死刑犯的家屬不在你們的服務範圍啊?奇怪了!你前面才發文說不能要求別人去做你平時不想做的事情啊,怎麼馬上又開始要求別人去幫你們做你們根本沒在做的事?」

誰在跟你關心死刑犯?是關起死刑犯~
廢死團體沒有打著關懷同情的口號當然不用去做囉~
又例如,關心獨居老人也不是廢死團體的事,
但是你們打著關懷同情牌, 獨居老人人數更多啊, 打著關懷同情牌的你們為何要跳過人數多的只挑人數少的啊?這招牌大概只是個包裝吧~
2010-03-28 @ 19:06
迴響 from: dolan [訪問者]
to 久利生公平,

你討厭朱學恆就直接跟朱學恆對幹吧! 要是你言之有理, 還會有人聲援你咧!

老是扯死刑的議題來炒作, 意圖製造對立, 就跟為了選舉故意挑起族群議題的政客一樣混蛋無恥!

而且說真的, 你在這努力攪和了半天, 朱學恆反而越來越多人佩服他的作為, 你卻只被大家當笑話看, 值得嗎?
2010-03-28 @ 19:31
唉,想不到還要我幫必死團說說話,
我想請那些已執行處決死犯相關的受害者家屬見諒,
不是不想聽你們的聲音,
而是聽你們的故事的話,就沒什麼機會號召民粹讓媒體聚焦,所以請你們見諒~
2010-03-28 @ 19:33
dolan:
「你在這努力攪和了半天, 朱學恆反而越來越多人佩服他的作為, 你卻只被大家當笑話看, 值得嗎?」

用昨天參與活動的人數來賞你耳光就好,科科~
2010-03-28 @ 19:38
迴響 from: 邏輯 [訪問者]
原來廢死團體又是免費律師幫死刑犯辯護,又是找國際聲援來阻止死刑執行,這些並不是出自關心死刑犯會被處死啊?既然久利生公平要幫廢死團體代言,那麻煩你說說看,他們是因為關心啥,才這麼大費周章做這麼多事情啊?

還有,活動都已經結束了,你還要繼續扯受害者的範圍啊?這活動從一開始就定義很清楚了,是為了那些死刑犯的受害者家屬,因為社會大眾以往都忽略了他們需要被人關心!

你要同情其他受害者,那麻煩你也有點實際行動吧!別老是躲在電腦螢幕後面開影分身來高談闊論,當大家有實際行動的時候你卻只會躲在家裡吃火鍋。
2010-03-28 @ 19:45
迴響 from: dolan [訪問者]
to 久利生公平,

這次活動宣傳時間只有一個星期, 沒有政黨力量, 沒有動員資源, 連常設組織都沒有, 只靠一群網友當義工在網路上宣傳, 能有破千的參加人數, 這已經是壯舉了, 等到你在相同的條件下也辦過這樣的活動再拿成績來說吧! 光憑嘴炮也想打人耳光? 你繼續做夢吧!

說到打耳光, 你活動前信誓旦旦說這一定會變成推動死刑大會, 結果大家都有目共睹, 你自己打自己的這個耳光可是超級大啊!
2010-03-28 @ 19:52
迴響 from: 邏輯 [訪問者]
還有,雖然昨天的活動是邀請死刑犯的被害人家屬上台,讓大家聽聽他們的心聲,但朱學恆後續所做的,卻是希望推動修法來保障所有的犯罪被害人。

久利生公平啊!這些實際的行動都在打你耳光啊!
2010-03-28 @ 20:02
迴響 from: 黑色惡夢 [訪問者]
唉,那個吸奶茶吃火鍋的東西
所說的話大概就是那些玩意。

乾脆,
大家對他來個放置PLAY算了吧?
2010-03-28 @ 20:11
To doland

我知道你很想釋懷,但我必須提示你寶貝朱還上了媒體幾次,也提到週六的活動,
報章最後一兩天也報導。
不要再把"只靠網友"掛嘴邊啦~
2010-03-28 @ 20:15
迴響 from: dolan [訪問者]
to 久利生公平,

雖然你很想解釋, 但是請你能列舉出在相同條件下辦活動的前例再說. 否則光是打嘴炮, 能打到誰的耳光啊? 瞧你之前講的話, 都是打自己耳光吧!

我看你一直都很不服氣, 不然要不要來打個賭? 你自己來辦活動的話, 能超過這次活動人數的十分之一我就讓你打耳光吧!

只會在家吃火鍋打嘴炮的人, 也有資格評斷人數多不多? 你繼續搞笑吧!
2010-03-28 @ 20:26
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/3171/1000head.jpg

圖中的藍色圈圈,是100個。
最後一排不會擋到人所以站著

這樣叫做2000~3000人喔??(打哈欠~)


2010-03-28 @ 20:30
迴響 from: 講話 [訪問者]
*****
比較陽光的主題, 應該是露臉為自己的言行背書吧!
2010-03-28 @ 20:33
迴響 from: dolan [訪問者]
to 久利生公平,

就算只有1000人啊! 10分之一就是100人, 你敢不敢賭啊?

不敢賭就別老是在那邊機機歪歪了. (挖鼻孔...)
2010-03-28 @ 20:37
迴響 from: 師奶殺手的爹 [訪問者]
http://www.taedp.org.tw/index.php?load=read&id=613
「我們反對死刑」一文中
林執行長很明確的提出
「共同生活在台灣這塊土地上,愛台灣的心和大家一樣,我們除了終極主張是廢除死刑之外,也同樣關心司法改革、監獄改革、被害人保護以及死刑配套措施的提出。」
所以....
2010-03-28 @ 20:41
迴響 from: 邏輯 [訪問者]
所以?

所以他們做了什麼?關心了什麼?推動了什麼?唯一看到的成果只有阻止死刑的執行,而且還出書宣傳咧!

要是廢死聯盟真的有做到他們所說的這樣,也不會有這次活動的舉行,也不用朱學恆發公開信請法務部長推動修法了。
2010-03-28 @ 20:52
迴響 from: 師奶殺手的爹 [訪問者]
嗯嗯
所以不會有人覺得
關心獨居老人是廢死團體的事
2010-03-28 @ 20:58
迴響 from: 邏輯 [訪問者]
關心獨居老人也只有久利生公平一個人在講啊!何況獨居老人早就有一堆社福團體在關心了,可是受害者家屬並沒有受到這樣的關心啊!從頭到尾的焦點一直都是受害人家屬,關獨居老人什麼事了?只有久利生公平扯到沒梗了,才會拿這個出來講。

不過你也跟著提這做什麼?難道本尊沒戰鬥力了換影分身上場?
2010-03-28 @ 21:10
http://www.taedp.org.tw/index.php?job=tags&seekname=%25E8%25A2%25AB%25E5%25AE%25B3%25E4%25BA%25BA&page=3
原來早從2004年就關心被害者相關消息,
說起來廢死團體還算是你們的輩啊,
就在你們「本來毫不關心」的時候早就有人關心了。

http://www.taedp.org.tw/index.php?load=read&id=93
2007還辦了個殺人影展

不過關心也不是職責所在,關懷是他們的權利,
就像必死團前幾年都不關心。現在才以後輩的身份出場喔?

為什麼必死團什麼都不知道呢?
因為廢死團體所做都是其一心真正想做,
不會把做的事拿來當做聚集媒體的工具。相當值得令必死團學習啊。



To邏輯
你看到黑影就開槍打到自己人了啦,是你不懂他的文意,還影分身咧 (靠好好笑XDDDD




2010-03-28 @ 21:33
迴響 from: 邏輯 [訪問者]

http://www.taedp.org.tw/index.php?job=tags&seekname=%25E8%25A2%25AB%25E5%25AE%25B3%25E4%25BA%25BA&page=3
廢除死刑推動聯盟重視犯罪被害者家屬訴求﹐今天邀請美國「犯罪被害者家屬人權協會」成員分享經驗。

哇!原來請個美國來的分享經驗就叫做關心?有邀請受害者家屬參加嗎?後續動作咧?你每發一次文就凸顯自己有多可笑!

你開影分身又不是沒被抓包過,還想裝純給誰看啊?

這裡就留給你去繼續搞笑吧!朱學恆都已經發起公開信要幫受害人家屬推動修法了,這些實質的行動都在讓你的嘴炮自打耳光,如同dolan講的,朱學恆的作為讓越來越多人佩服,你卻只會被大家當笑話看,你就跟你的影分身繼續在這裡玩吧!我也要幫忙轉信了。
2010-03-28 @ 21:58
迴響 from: X [訪問者]
***--
活動結束啦!


我也有趣,可惜我遲到說!對不起ㄋㄟ

當日影片:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzv2smXv8n0

希望有拍的都可以上傳
2010-03-28 @ 22:30
迴響 from: 黑色惡夢 [訪問者]
*----
to 邏輯

有喔,
廢死團體有做事喔。

比如:
對著陸正的父親大喊

「你會受到上帝的審判!」

還有,
跑到被害人家屬的面前
要求他們寬恕加害人。
否則,
就是還沒放下仇恨,
沒有同理心。
2010-03-28 @ 22:40
迴響 from: X [訪問者]
引用自黑色惡夢

廢死團體有做事,其中最沒品的是對著陸正的父親大喊「你會受到上帝的審判!」



如今活動結束啦!


我也有趣,可惜我遲到說!對不起ㄋㄟ

當日影片:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzv2smXv8n0

希望有拍的都可以上傳
2010-03-28 @ 22:42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzv2smXv8n0

寶貝朱「說老實話,這活動應該是法務部辦的」

每年都有受害人請問要多久辦一次?受害人每年到馬路上出席,一次次把痛苦回憶講給你聽?
大概是「本來毫不關心」的人才會想出這種點子吧(哈欠~)

有無打電話給被害人保護協會?
我想就算有單位要幫,但恐怕就會分散了鎂光燈焦點啊~

已處決之死犯相關受害家屬呢這天有來嗎?

2010-03-28 @ 23:39
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樓上的, 你LAG很大喔! 活動早就辦過了, 宅神都開始發起寄公開信了, 你還在圍著活動的話題打轉啊?
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